2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumKiller Mike Made a Remark About Hillary Clinton’s Uterus. It Doesn’t Sound Better in Context.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/02/17/the_context_of_killer_mike_s_sexist_remark_about_hillary_clinton_s_uterus.htmlStalwart Bernie Sanders supporter Killer Mike is catching flak for using a fellow Sanders supporters quotea uterus doesnt qualify you to be president of the United Statesin a speech he made on behalf of the candidate in Atlanta on Tuesday.
At Morehouse College, the Run the Jewels rapper took aim at Hillary Clinton:
When people tell us, Hold on, wait awhile. And thats what the other Democrat is telling you. Hold on, Black Lives Matter. Just wait awhile. Hold on, young people in this country, just wait awhile. And then, and then she have your own mama come to you. Your own mama say to you, Well, youre a woman. But I talked to [activist] Jane Elliott a few weeks ago, and Jane said, Michael, a uterus doesnt qualify you to be president of the United States. You have to beyou have to have policy thats reflective of social justice.
The implication, of course, is that Clinton isnt qualified to be president based on her actual accomplishments, and that her supporters have only rallied behind her because shes a womanspecifically, one with a uterus. Now, Killer Mike is protesting that he cant be held responsible for the crude phrasing because he didnt think it uphe just parroted it. I didn't say that, he tweeted on Tuesday night. A progressive activist woman said [it] to me. His fans are saying haters are distorting his words and quoting him out of context:
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Killer Mikes uterus comment about Hillary hurts all women.
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/17/the_vagina_and_uterus_swipes_have_got_to_stop_killer_mikes_uterus_comment_about_hillary_hurt
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)I would jump on an OP and talk about it before I even read it. That would be desperate.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)The brouhaha over this comment is desperation. I just wrote this on another thread about Mike's talk (Which was inspired oratory BTW) and I'll share it with you also:
Twice now Hillary has attempted a coronation and twice she has be thwarted because she reflexively went straight to an amoral kitchen sink strategy. And why makes it really bad, is the way her campaign seems to think people are too dumb to see what is going on.
There is no political corollary to the adage "You can't cheat an honest person", because sliming an honest person has actually been pretty easy; especially if you own barrels of ink and the airwaves. But now that we have the internets, that shit has become a whole lot more difficult and a world less effective.
Don't forget you were warned that these tactics are going to backfire.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Attempting to insult the op is the desperation you are so desperately seeking.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)The intent, the research, the choice, the delivery was all misogynistic.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)you already read the article like the last one? lol
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)rinse, repeat.
Senator Tankerbell
(316 posts)Thanks for giving it more attention.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)everyone should hear exactly what was said.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)and feminist, Jane Elliott.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)I'm black. I'm not Cornell West. In that context I'm calling a spade a spade.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)I'm black. I'm not Cornell West. In that context I'm calling a spade a spade. Whoa. De Ja Vu
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)kid.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Because she supports Killer Mike's remarks.
Remove the feminist from the conversation. Stomp all over her in your zeal.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Well maybe one
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)I am a woman, and I have seen the remarks made against women since I was a child, certainly not as much as being a woman of color, but we need to stop the division according to gender, race, religion and sexual orientation.
So newsflash, I am a person! And that should be all. Stop dividing us!
I could be some kid in Iraq that lost their entire family with the hell we created when we destabilized their country. Women in Iraq had more education and freedom before we invaded. A quarter of the population in Iraq was killed or moved to another country and Hillary said "she made a mistake."
We are all in this world together, either you understand that or you do not.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)then you don't consider yourself just a uterus. No woman or man should.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)We should all strive to not be identified by gender, race, age, religion or sexual orientation, that is what she said and what he repeated.
There should be no place where we relegate people into categories, to do so is a recipe for disaster and produces a nation of a diminished class, be that gender, race, religion, age or sexual orientation.
We have all seen those who seek to divide, let us not be a party to those divisions.
I am a person, struggling to survive, that is all.
gyroscope
(1,443 posts)he speaks for black people as much as you do.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)women for sanders would.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)was not offended.
Never assume you can speak for women!
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)I can speak for women, but I do know from the articles and comments ive seen that aren't DU, I speak for quite a few.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)my daughter switched parties because she is excited with Sanders, not sure she would show up for Clinton.
I was astonished when she said she could easily move to another country, possibly north of the border, if things became rough here in the US. Sure her salary would be less, but she sees the inequities every day.
DU is not the world, there are people suffering who cannot afford treatment and the needed meds.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)aggrieved over every little thing. I couldn't care less about the "uterus" statement. "Hurts all women."
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)Welcome to DU.
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)Killer Mike's speech was amazing.
Hillary has played the gender card nonstop.
The statement made by Jane Elliot is correct.
Having a uterus does not qualify anyone to be president.
I'll go one step further.
Having a penis does not qualify anyone to be president.
Stop playing the female victim card.
I say this as a 62 year old woman.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)doesn't make it any less sexist. Much like a Black man calling Obama the first N!gger!zed president any less racist.
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)thats why they have these sites for.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)don't vote for "X,Y, or Z" because he has a penis ever been uttered?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)if I speak for all women, and I don't. Glad I finally found someone who does though.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)I don't talk for MOST women either. Dare to say the same?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)your facebook must be stacked.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)was the mention of your body parts in there?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)ambiguity and literal.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)I don't much like them anyway. "Having a uterus" or "having a vagina" or "having breasts" is nt the proper way to say "being a woman." We should even crack down on the old "having a penis" and "having outdoor plumbing." Let's just say women and men, okay?
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)we can agree.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Anything else we should crack down on, since we're in hyper-banning mode?
I'd like we all stop trying to control what others say.
Or were you being sarcastic?
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)One person cannot tell another what to do. Avoiding certain stereotypes, sexual references, etc is a personal decision, so any banning has to be self-banning.
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MrWendel
(1,881 posts)would you mention the word "Monkey"? What could possibly be the reason for that? Hmmmmm....
oasis
(49,389 posts)his best. Reagan was regularly referred to as "the Gipper" for his portrayal of a Notre Dame football star in a film about Knute Rockne.
So that "pretty much cements" you as a B-list critic of OP talent.
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MrWendel
(1,881 posts)for me. Wait... does quoting outdated pop culture references make you a straight to DVD D-lister?
oasis
(49,389 posts)Maybe you're "going to fast" for yourself.
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oasis
(49,389 posts)Response to oasis (Reply #63)
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oasis
(49,389 posts)Good night.
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PatrickforO
(14,578 posts)But it doesn't change my support for Bernie.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Perhaps Killer Mike and/or Jane Elliot...
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Clinton has been playing up her status as a woman as reason to vote for her. He stated why others are saying, that gender should have not role, and he was quoting Jane Elliott.
gyroscope
(1,443 posts)so they have to talk about stupid crap like this in their attempts to divide and conquer people by sex and race.
2008 all over again.
Glamrock
(11,802 posts)Because of the word, not the context. I knew it would be distorted...
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)but it's in response to something even dumber. We have a candidate that has to keep reminding everyone of her gender it's a thing and it should be embarrassing to her and that is all I got to say about that.