I love Killer Mike but it was dumb for him to go there

[tk2kewl]

even if he was quoting a woman
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110749149

[tk2kewl]

3. yup

just remember Killer Mike isn't the one running for President

[mgmaggiemg]

2. the sad thing is

no one has cornered the market on the 24/7/365 shtstorm of hate no matter what category; misogyny, racism, xenophobia, lbgtq, class, culture, religion etc the list goes on..so as we see the GOPand the GOP candidates daily shoot themselves in the foot to spite the nose on their face....so do Bernie supporters who employ tactics traditionally used by the right wing political hate groups/media. So when she's nominated and wins in November...remember what Tom Hanks said in A League of Their Own...."there's no crying in baseball". Cheers, Maggie

[earthshine]

26. I see Hillary supporters do these quick, groundless, hit jobs on Bernie everyday.

Hi Maggie!

[mgmaggiemg]

27. really?

based on his gender? his religion? his economic background? his choice of "lifestyle"? no you don't ...women don't do that...we don't question his intelligence or motives based on those things....You obviously don't know your history...victoria woodhull (look her up...I'm sure you don't know who she is) are extremely similar in this regard that women who run for prez are still persecuted and threatened jail based on their gender 140 years later....if Bernie has his drawbacks (and what candidate doesn't) he is not persecuted based on religion, sex, or economic background....in fact he is not persecuted at all ...he's not a persecuted person. Cheers, Maggie

[earthshine]

30. Maggie it's you who's persecuting him.

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You wrote this today in another post ...

>> being older I look at the issues without passion...

You are so full of it, as well as yourself. You are obviously passionate. That's why you are here arguing with people like me. It's why you write like you're out of breath.

But, this is merely a feeble attempt to cast yourself as superior to others.

> I'm sure you don't know who she is

You are quite condescending, and will not be convincing anybody to your points of view.

Has Hillary been the victim of sexism? Of course.

Like me, Bernie is a Jew from Brooklyn. Believe me, he's endured plenty for that. And further, he seems to now have to suffer ageist attacks.

Good night, now.

[jillan]

4. Yeah maybe he shouldn't of gone there but it wasn't any worse than

saying that women who don't support other women are going to burn in hell or saying that young Bernie supporters like Bernie because of the boys Or saying that Bernie supporters are no different than the tea party. Stupid stuff is being said all over the place.

[tk2kewl]

10. not worse, but i've learned that as a man i should tread lightly in that rehlm

[MrMickeysMom]

34. I don't find it offensive, either...

At ALL.

[Live and Learn]

5. I agree completely with Jane Elliott. I don't find it offensive at all. nt

[kristopher]

8. +1

[tk2kewl]

18. i didn't say it was offensive, but a dumb move for a man to make

the response was predictable and thus avoidable

if he could have had Elliot come out on stage or had he read a letter at her request the outrage wouldn't hold water

[Live and Learn]

20. What response? The only place I have seen or heard it at all is on DU.

At work, everyone was talking about Hillary's barking, not a word about Killer Mike.

[tk2kewl]

22. ok

maybe i need to get out more

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

32. There was poutrage on twitter about it too.

From all of the same people parroting Hillary's talking points about how women need to support women, how she'd be historic, break the glass ceiling, etc, etc.

She's allowed to campaign on her gender, but no one is allowed to point it out.

[madokie]

67. Hill wants it both ways

coming and a going

I'm thinking she is going to be shown the door before this campaign is over and then we can be done with her and her thirdway bullshit

[Oilwellian]

49. LOL

That made me laugh out loud.

I wasn't offended by Killer Mike repeating what Jane Elliot said.

[zigby]

6. Yeah it was tone deaf.

He's a man and shouldn't be so flip and casual with a really loaded comment. I cringed when I heard people say similar shit about Obama, like "just because he's black doesn't mean it's his turn to be prez", ironically from Hillary supporters.

[kristopher]

11. No one phrased it like that.

No one that is, except Hillary's campaign when making the accusation. Twice now Hillary has attempted a coronation and twice she has be thwarted because she reflexively went straight to an amoral kitchen sink strategy. And why makes it really bad, is the way her campaign seems to think people are too dumb to see what is going on.

There is no political corollary to the adage "You can't cheat an honest person", because sliming an honest person has actually been pretty easy; especially if you own barrels of ink and the airwaves. But now that we have the internets, that shit has become a whole lot more difficult and a world less effective.

Don't forget you were warned that these tactics are going to backfire.

[zigby]

12. Nope sorry. I don't like hearing it out of a man's mouth

Even if I tend to agree (which I do)

[kristopher]

16. I don't care if you are sexist, but don't project onto others.

[zigby]

17. I know you are but what am I?

Not sure why this is the hill you want to die on tonight but have at it.

[kristopher]

19. What you wrote is sexist.

"Nope sorry. I don't like hearing it out of a man's mouth"

It was a quote from a famous feminist that goes directly to the issue of Hillary's use of "A special place in Hell" type of campaigning with on the issue. You can't have it both ways. I know that solidarity among abused and downtrodden people (no matter the common cause) is a strong sentiment, but it doesn't entitle anyone to use their identity as a blind cudgel to derail reasoned discourse that they simply can't answer.

[Live and Learn]

21. I agree. nt

[TheFarS1de]

29. Sexism is a two way street .

Too many consider themselves above reproach . Well stated and well done on showing it for what it was , a sexist remark .

[Kalidurga]

9. Yeah

but, what are you gonna do? I think people have the right to say stupid things everyonceinawhile. Now if it becomes a pattern then I will be concerned.

[oasis]

13. Bernie had better hope Killer Mike's professional CDs have

not a whisper of misogyny in them. If so, he'll be forced to drop him like a hot potato.

[tk2kewl]

35. are you pouring through them now

And rubbing you hands together? Please remember that Mike isn't running for president. Bernie is. Some folks who can't get dirt on bernie like to make it about his supporters

[oasis]

41. Yup, just like you are awaiting the transcript release.

That ain't gonna happen.

[tk2kewl]

42. kumquats and tangerines

Mike an't running for president but Hillary is

[oasis]

44. Tell that to legions of offended females.

[tk2kewl]

45. don't vote for Mike is what I'll tell them

what will you tell all the people who fell through the cracks over the past 8 years due to wall st greed?

[oasis]

47. Not Hillary's fault, but she's in a much better position to fix it

than a guy who wants to tear down the whole system.

[one_voice]

58. Was that same standard applied...

when Madeline Albright & Gloria Steinem were ripped to shreds?

They weren't running for president but it seemed they were hung right 'round Hillary's neck. She was responsible for their every word.

How exactly does that work?

[tk2kewl]

59. fair point

[one_voice]

61. very fair response!

I don't think we should be trying to hang our candidates with this stuff. The republicans are gonna do that for us. I imagine there could be something egregious enough that it should/would matter, but so far I've not seen it.

[Oilwellian]

51. Doubtful

Bernie doesn't strike me as the type to jettison friends for the sake of political expediency, unlike other politicians we know.

[frylock]

52. Do you know who Bill Clinton is?

Let's go there. Bring it!

[oasis]

53. Clinton is Killer Mike's booking agent. Everyone knows that.

[Luminous Animal]

68. Snoop Dog supports Hillary.

[oasis]

69. America has yet to hear Snoop's dialogue on uteruses.

please keep us posted.

[Luminous Animal]

70. America has had shit load of Snoop's attitude towards the U.S. segment of population that sport

uteri.

[tk2kewl]

14. Mike's a smart dude

i imagine he learned something from the experience

[Kalidurga]

15. I imagine he did as well.

[SHRED]

23. On my local news they had a short clip of him

You know they are going to cut just that part and run it.

He needs to be, and the campaign needs to be, smarter than this.
Lesson learned I hope.

[slipslidingaway]

24. Not offensive at all, Hillary opened that door and quoting a well known activist is not dumb ..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Elliott

What is really dumb, IMHO, is when people seek to divide along gender, racial, age, religious and disability lines. We are in this world together.

[tk2kewl]

40. mistakes can be corrected with apologies as well as defenses

i don't think it's wrong to point out who the quote came from or even that Elliot approved, but might Mike consider acknowledging he made a mistake?

[AtomicKitten]

25. He was just saying it's uter-us, not uter-you.

[lovemydog]

33. lol

[tk2kewl]

36. nice spin

[slipslidingaway]

28. Well you could say a for war that displaced a quarter of the country's population ...

and then say it was mistake would be wrong.



Taken in the larger context of what he said, and quoting a well known champion for equality, this was really nothing.

But we have perpetual elections in our country

[merrily]

31. I don't get why it's wrong for him to say what a woman told him.

[tk2kewl]

38. i learned something on DU the other day

about how this sort of thing is viewed by some feminists.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511236465#post6

i understand where the poster is coming from, but i'm also glad that some women are willing to go past the fact that a man is using a woman to make his point to see if their is value in the statement

[merrily]

63. I don't agree with the poster's reasoning at all.

I am a woman. A man can quote me accurately any time he wishes. And I will quote a man accurately any time I wish. If I say I won't vote my vagina, I see nothing wrong with a man quoting me accurately, whether he does so to agree with me or disagree with me.

[tk2kewl]

64. that seems appropriate to me

But I think maybe some on the receiving end will discount the message relayed by a man. That's the impression I got from the other poster

[merrily]

65. That's one person.

It seems to me that anything Sanders does or says, or that is said or done in support of him, is wrong in some way or another in someone's opinion. Not wrong on the facts, but wrong in some other way or another. I am not going to let that silence me if I see nothing wrong with what I am saying. Of course, being a woman, I may be "allowed" to quote another woman. I don't know. I can't keep up with all the new rules about alleged sexism.

[firebrand80]

37. Bernie's team should approve his speeches

This isn't a huge deal, but he's going to be under greater scrutiny from now on. Another slip up could hurt.

[tk2kewl]

39. that's not the way Bernie rolls

and i don't think mike writes this stuff down. but a little coaching wouldn't hurt.

[oasis]

43. Keep your eye on the poll numbers. Too late for damage control.

[SheenaR]

46. If she continues to campaign on being an historic woman

It is completely fair game.

Sheena (a woman)

[tk2kewl]

48. I don't disagree

i just don't think Mike is the right one to go at her on this topic

[SheenaR]

50. I agree with that too

I would love to see Nina say it

[KMOD]

54. If Hillary Clinton wins the Presidency,

would you consider that historic?

[SheenaR]

56. Of course

Which has nothing to do with the core of my message... She is campaigning heavily on that fact.

I could be wrong but I don't believe Obama said very often "Black people should vote for me to help me be the first Black President". She does it every day... So if being a woman is a part of her stump speech, it should be allowed in any shape or form to be addressed that a message like hers does not qualify someone to be President.

[KMOD]

57. She is not campaigning on being a woman.

That is just as lame as the uterus line.

She is campaigning on a wide variety of issues. She is campaigning on Health Care, Immigration, Equality, Social Justice, improving the economy, making college affordable, gun control, etc.

Obviously, she is a woman. It's not like it's a big secret here.

[SheenaR]

60. I had a whole response typed out

and erased because we could go back and forth all day. Out of all the issues she campaigns on, being a woman is #1. Her surrogates guilt women into voting for her. It's THE message of her campaign. I don't hear a lot of specifics on those issues you mentioned.

[KMOD]

62. Well perhaps you should tune into the Town Hall tonight,

and hear it for yourself. She is not campaigning on being a woman, that notion is just absurd.

[KMOD]

55. It was very dumb, and very offensive.

He reduced her entire impressive life's work to being a uterus.

Was Jane Sander's uterus President of Burlington College?

[madokie]

66. I don't see a problem with that at all

In context would have to include the few minutes leading up to this little bullshit slice out of someones pourage.