John Lewis and Hillary Clinton’s problem with millenials

[cali]

Just twelve hours or so after Bernie Sanders left Morehouse College and the 4,500 supporters who gathered to hear him, U.S. Rep. John Lewis dropped by the state Capitol for a morning visit on Wednesday.

The Georgia congressman was asked about the Democratic presidential candidate’s promise of free college tuition to a generation of voters financially hamstrung by student loans.

“I think it’s the wrong message to send to any group. There’s not anything free in America,” Lewis told a scrum of reporters. “We all have to pay for something. Education is not free. Health care is not free. Food is not free. Water is not free. I think it’s very misleading to say to the American people, we’re going to give you something free.”

Lewis, who has spent much of the last week at the side of his preferred candidate, Hillary Clinton, said Americans, and especially young people, need to recognize economic reality. “Hard work never killed anybody, child,” the congressman said, quoting his own Alabama mother.

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http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/02/17/john-lewis-and-hillary-clintons-problem-with-millenials/

[eridani]

1. What the fucking hell is the matter with PUBLIC GOODS that are--

--free at the point of service? Of course we pay for them, but as taxpayers funding public goods.

[Art_from_Ark]

2. And it's always people who already have theirs who are parroting this line

I wonder how many people who are complaining about "free" things received Basic/Pell grants when they were in college?

[nxylas]

7. In general, yes

But this is John Lewis we're talking about. I'm not saying that Lewis is above criticism, and I think he's profoundly wrong on this, but to imply that it's because he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth is so far detached from reality that it's not even funny.

[sahel]

10. He's an American hero

he took a hell of a beating from police, terrible injuries, enough to break most men.

Having said that, John McCain took a hell of a beating in Hanoi, enough to break most men. I don't agree with John McCain on very much, nor with John Lewis I suspect.

I also think that if you're using your hero status to take pot shots or try to deflect criticism you're skating on thin ice.

[nxylas]

35. Best to just say that he's wrong and leave it at that

When someone like Mitt Romney talks about makers and takers, it's legitimate to point out that he was "born on third base and thinks he scored a home run". But when it's someone who's been through as much as Lewis has saying these things, then ad hominem remarks should be off limits. Stick to debating the issues.

[Armstead]

89. NO, when you're wrong you're wrong

[raouldukelives]

12. Ah, but that is all evil socialism now don't ya know. nt

[pengu]

3. It is so disappointing to hear dems talk like Romney

Simultaneously condescending and wrong is always something special to see. Nobody thinks it will be "free". It will just be free to those who need it while being paid for by those who have been milking the system (high speed traders).

[Voice for Peace]

4. And as we all know

Like his momma said, just work hard, and you'lll have plenty of money to buy whatever you need to live the american dream.

[Zorra]

5. Nice! Hillary is going to need to call damage control now. nt

[ejbr]

6. Didn't we bail out the banks for free?

Oops! My bad. They did pay...politicians to fall in line.

[ozone_man]

134. You had to go there.

Pointing out the hypocracy. We have socialism for the rich, the corporations, big banks, but not the average person, who needs help to pay for college. They are little enough to fail.

[Enrique]

8. that's a good case for privatizing all education

after all, nothing's free.

[bec]

9. Wait a second

water is free for Nestle Water, but the people have to pay for it. But then again, if corporations are people. It works in other societies. We have given the wealthy their utopia long enough. I am very disappointed in John Lewis.

[uponit7771]

11. Looks like its white millenials where PoC millenials are heavy Clinton

[eridani]

13. I guess they appreciate Clinton calling them "superpredators" n/t

[uponit7771]

16. Do you think the millennials of color are stupid or ignorant? thx in advance

[eridani]

17. Do you think that Clinton has ever done anything to benefit black youth?

Are you proud of the massive increase in the prison population in the 90s?

[uponit7771]

23. yes...my question now? tia

[eridani]

24. That isn't very specific

The 90s were a disaster for people in lower income brackets. Please explain why you think NAFTA and welfare deform helped anyone, let alone black youth.

[markj757]

49. I just have to jump in here.....

because there is no need to try and tear down Hillary's affection and connection to the black community to fit some ignorant ugly narrative that somehow she is not worthy of such strong black support. For one, she isn't Bill and she shouldn't have to be held accountable for his mistakes. Two, the level of ignorance and lack of depth in which some people view the black community still astounds me. Mention something about welfare reform and the crime bill, like those issues only affect black people, and because of that we should all abandon our support for Hillary and join Bernie. As I have pointed out before, Bernie's medicare care for all proposal may not scare his supporters, but it will scare the hell out of a lot of people like me, and it will be a major reason he won't win the nomination. For many people, its just too big of a jump from where we are, and it sounds too socialist a concept for the times. He should go for the public option and allow medicare/medicaid to negotiate drug prices. That would have been well received across the board including in the black community. And attacking and disrespecting John Lewis, who is one of the most respected and treasured civil rights leader still alive today, I can assure you will only infuriate more black people like me, and turn off many in a community that Bernie needs to win this primary, and win this election.

And finally, I have to believe that the venom I read posted on this site from Bernie supporters against Hillary, is nowhere near reflective of Bernie supporters as whole. Because I know its definitely not reflective of the amazing candidate Bernie is himself. I thought about voting for Bernie if not for his medicare for all plan (que the hateful responses). And although I will vote for Hillary with many reservations, I know Bernie is a good man, who loves this country, and I would be honored to call him my President. But most importantly, I know Bernie is the type of man who has nothing but respect for Hillary, her supporters, and her legacy of public service.

[JRLeft]

53. She isn't worthy of black support.

[uponit7771]

65. Her long time relationship is imho...

[JRLeft]

73. Of doing nothing.

[uponit7771]

74. There was a thread on this the other day, this is not true legislatiely or as an activist

[eridani]

114. Visiting churches while supporting policies harming black people? n/t

[uponit7771]

118. Sanders didn't visit churches after he voted for the 94 legislsation

[eridani]

119. Where is Clinton's apology for the vast increase in prison population?

Visiting churches after supporting it makes it worse, not better.

[uponit7771]

120. Clinton didn't vote for the 94 legislation Sanders voted for... Sanders didn't even vist

... black churches, community centers etc...

He wasn't around

[eridani]

122. She strongly supported it. If not voting for her husband's legislation gets her--

--off the hook, then why is being First Lady even a qualification?

[uponit7771]

126. His votes trumps her "strongly supported" any day... either way, Sanders voted for it and

... didn't visit at all...


Sanders wasn't around


The second question is silly on its face, they're going to show a front no matter what the legislation is... they're a team and that's part of the job.

I'm not going to hold her responsible for Bills bad actions.... like the republicans do

[eridani]

131. They you are scratching "First Lady" from her list of qualifications, right? n/t

[jonestonesusa]

60. I appreciate your perspective as it relates to respect.

And as a Sanders supporter I try to be respectful of those who support Clinton as long as the discussion is civil and issue-focused.

John Lewis is a giant of the civil rights movement that we all owe a debt to. But I would compare this situation to Jackie Robinson's support of Rockefeller and Nixon, which was a throwback to when black voters supported Republicans in large numbers. Sanders' candidacy may be the start of another realignment among black voters, especially younger voters.

With this said, it's important to think independently and respect the giants whose shoulders we stand on. I think that it must be difficult for someone like Lewis or Robinson to balance their heroic deeds and the obstacles they have overcome with new perspectives from different historical and personal perspectives. This election is about the immediate and long term future of the country. Which candidate best addresses that future? Beyond what our elders say, our voting decision should be future oriented.IMO.

[markj757]

72. I appreciate....

I truly appreciate the thoughtful response, even though we may disagree on very substantive issues.

[uponit7771]

64. +1

[Armstead]

90. Should be neither torn down or exagerated

[uponit7771]

67. My question IS very specific... do you think PoC millennials are stupid or ignorant? tia

The silence on this question is deafening

[eridani]

116. You assert that they support Clinton. Data?

Not easy to get data on Millennials with phone surveys.

[eridani]

124. [crickets] n/t

[uponit7771]

128. Here you go, link inside

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/16/1486070/-Clinton-Leads-African-American-Millennials-64-25-Overall-73-16-Sanders-Cornel-West-Problem

[eridani]

130. Now what about the ones that don't use landlines?

Hard to understand why they would enjoy being arrested for MJ at 10 times the rate of whites.

[RunInCircles]

30. "Not good enough Bernie"

I do not make judgments on relative intelligence I am not the smartest person in the room but as far as I can see Bernie has worked his whole life for civil rights. From the self identified POC's on this board I keep hearing "Not Good Enough Bernie". This makes me sometimes question his judgment. Why spend your whole life fighting for equal rights when it is obviously unappreciated. I will not try Whitesplaining to you you are probably smarter than me and better informed and you obviously do not want any of us "White Folks" on your side fighting for your rights.
I read on another thread that POC agreed with the need to lock up all those super predators to make their communities safer. Therefore Ms Clinton is obviously the candidate that you should support. I am just surprised that so many people think that Clinton policies are working out in their best interest. All of this splaining makes me think I should change my whole world view and not work for all of us to have a better opportunity to get out of the oligarchical controlled dog eat dog pit groups against each other world. It is clear that shows bad judgment on my part because it will always be not good enough. I should focus on myself and stop believing that it is my duty to fight racism.
Gah my help is not needed or wanted when it is clear that somebody who worked much harder in his life to combat racism is rejected so soundly by the people he was trying to support.

Really Bad Bernie for having such poor judgment. (I am not sure this is sarcasm after spending at least 10 hours reading the BlackSplaining that Bernie's record does not warrant support.

[uponit7771]

62. So is that a yes or a no?

[RunInCircles]

113. Sorry I just got back here now

I think Black people are more than qualified to think for themselves.
I don't remember your post well enough to know if this above statement equates to yes or no.

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

45. Apparently Clinton does.

And that's to her own peril.

By the end of the Nevada elections, I'll bet her best demo will be those who are 65+ years old, and those who make 200k or more, just like in New Hampshire and both demos are starting to disappear for Clinton.

[uponit7771]

63. So is this a yes or a no? Sanders camp has a hard time answering straight up questions

[Arazi]

117. No

[marmar]

66. PoC millennials are not heavily Clinton. You pulled that out of the ether.

[uponit7771]

69. This is false (poll link inside), Right now Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, Women

... non white poor and millennials of color all support Clinton nationaly


Sanders has the same coalition Clinton lost with in 08, this isn't a revolution its a temper tantrum of the establishment


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/16/1486070/-Clinton-Leads-African-American-Millennials-64-25-Overall-73-16-Sanders-Cornel-West-Problem

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[NWCorona]

70. I wouldn't go that far

[DefenseLawyer]

14. After welfare reform passed, Lewis was described as outraged

He said, "Where is the sense of decency? What does it profit a great nation to conquer the world, only to lose its soul?"

Secretary Clinton on the other hand, wrote that “too many of those on welfare had known nothing but dependency all their lives.” She suggested that women recipients were “sitting around the house doing nothing.” She described the “move from welfare to work” as “the transition from dependency to dignity.” And that low wage jobs would "substitute dignity for dependence.” Put more simply, she stated, “these people are no longer deadbeats—they’re actually out there being productive.”

[NWCorona]

71. She called them "deadbeats" talk about being cold.

[Hekate]

108. Links with context please

[Hekate]

107. Links with context please

[NWCorona]

111. “these people are no longer deadbeats—

they’re actually out there being productive.”
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/02/the_betrayal_that_should_haunt_hillary_clinton_how_she_sold_out_working_women_then_never_apologized/

[leftofcool]

15. John Lew is is correct. Nothing is fee.

Someone has to pay for all those free things.

[eridani]

18. Yet another supposed "Democrat" who despises public goods.

Of course public goods need to be paid for, but why at the point of service?

[DefenseLawyer]

20. Do you really think people don't understand that?

Free public school? The free public library? You really think people are so stupid as to not understand how we pay for those things? Keep calling the voters stupid and naive. It's a winning strategy.

[Bohemianwriter]

21. Considering how "careful" you have been with the tax dollars...

when bombing other countries, I find it astonihing that you think bombs and bullets to be more constructive and a better investment than education!

[cali]

87. Great response

[SusanCalvin]

22. In other words, he's misrepresenting Bernie's proposals.

I've definitely seen reasonably detailed plans as to how they will be paid for.

[passiveporcupine]

28. did your parents have to pay for you to go to public school?

Why do you think public schools are free for our children up through high school. And why would those same principles not apply up through college or tech school?

[Laughing Mirror]

33. Yeah, $12/hr is plenty enough for all those free things

Now go and work harder until it kills you, child.

[all american girl]

40. I know Bernie likes to talk about Denmark....

I lived there from 2004-2007, moved to Germany until 2010, and would go up to visit friends in Denmark all the time. The have "free stuff" but they also have high taxes. When we were there the VAT was 25% ( I have no idea if it's the same, more, or less now). I remember talking to a friend and she said her taxes were around 65%, and she thought they were too high. Now I'm not saying there is anything wrong with school, health care, pensions, and the such being paid by the whole, but it does cost, and it costs in the form of taxes. So I agree with John Lewis.

They like all their "free stuff" and they don't mind paying taxes, to a certain degree, but they did like to figure out how to pay less.

[HooptieWagon]

57. I pay taxes for stuff other people use.

I pay all kinds of taxes for education...property, sales, and a portion of income tax. I don't have kids.
I pay taxes for Fire Department...never needed them.
I pay taxes for Police... Never called them.
Libraries, parks, recreation centers, and on and on.
These are all things a civilized society has. I pay taxes so I can live in a civilized society, even if I don't directly benefit from each and every expenditure. It's a concept tax-hating rightwingers fail to grasp.

[jonestonesusa]

59. And there's a mechanism to pay for college access.

Small transaction tax for speculative finance sector trading. Disagree or agree with the funding mechanism, but at least acknowledge that one has been proposed.

[cascadiance]

102. Yep, and talk about getting stuff for free. The banksters certainly have been able to do trading...

... for "free" at all of our expense in their efforts to turn wall street trading in to a casino.

We actually used to have this transactions tax to fund the SEC up until the 60's, when it wasn't needed any more to fund that agency then. Wall Street worked fine up until then with that tax!

It really only affects those that want to trade *for FREE* a million times as a minute to play the trends of the value of stocks going up and down versus those real trades that happen only a fraction of the time to reward the companies of the stocks being traded with increased value if their actions deserve it or penalize them if they aren't. The latter is what our stock market was designed to be, not to be a casino. Only those trying to use it as a casino are going to be affected that much!

[jonestonesusa]

106. I didn't know that the tax existed before.

Good call, thanks for the info.

[Jarqui]

82. How much tuition did John personally have to pay at his segregated public school?

Whoops! John didn't think that one all the way through, did he.

“If we are to achieve a real equality, the U.S. will have to adopt a modified form of socialism.” Martin Luther King

“What good is having the right to sit at a lunch counter if you can’t afford to buy a hamburger?” Martin Luther King

27% of Blacks are in poverty and from that effectively oppressed as many are without a job, without education and therefore, without much hope. With free tuition to college, that is one way Bernie is trying to extend some of them a hand to give them a chance to get them out of the ghetto.

With single payer free for those in poverty, that's another way to give them a hand surviving their ghetto while they get educated to get out.

Economic equality is something MLK sought. MLK told us civil rights were not enough. 27% of Blacks are disproportionately in poverty in large part because they didn't get to play on a level playing field. Blacks got civil rights in the 60s but they didn't get economic equality. The unfair or racist circumstances have held more Blacks back.

Free tuition and free single payer for those in poverty very likely isn't what Blacks had in mind for reparations and certainly not enough of what they deserve but it's something of significant value for those struggling to get by. It will help Blacks and Latinos more than whites because many more of them are in that position today where they could really make good use of this. The rich kids or lucky ones with scholarships will go to the Ivy leagues. It's is the poor or unlucky Bernie is trying to reach so they get a chance they do not have right now.

To be fair, he's offering it to all so people don't bicker. But it is really targeted at those who are suffering the most.

If some Blacks don't like it, they don't have to go to school. It's still a free country. If they can afford an Ivy league education and want that, by all means, go for it. But I think a lot of Blacks in difficult circumstances could make good use of it. It doesn't solve the entire problem but it would help reduce it.

I do not understand why John Lewis cannot see that - particularly when he himself saw Bernie stand up on the floor of the House and Senate and demand things like this since 1991. I've been reading the congressional record and looking at what Bernie was saying back then. It's the same stuff. He means it.

Sanders is not a single issue candidate. Just in this post, free tuition and single payer are two very separate issues. But wealth and income inequality is a giant issue for Bernie. It helps so many other issues in a person's life. Bernie fought for civil rights for blacks and he saw how far it got them - not far enough. He saw, as MLK did, that if you do not have an education, health care and money in this society, civil rights don't mean so much because you're still not free if you cannot afford to do anything.

I try to understand why Blacks don't trust easily. Many have been hopelessly hated, screwed and oppressed for more than 200 years. But I'm not sure. But Bernie is offering many of them - the more unfortunate - something none of the other candidates are: a way out of the ghetto. Hillary isn't offering that. Hillary is putting all the glitter she can with her calculated and market researched phrases that have been tested in control groups to work with Blacks so her propaganda might sound good ... but when you peel away the layers, she's full of shit like she has been for the last 25 years, offering the status quo - what morsels and crumbs Wall Street will let Blacks and the unfortunate have. Bernie Sanders may be the closest Blacks will ever get to reparations.

For whatever reason, from the polls, it appears Bernie is falling short on making his case to John Lewis and the majority of Blacks. To me, it will be a real tragedy if they do not get what Bernie is offering. Maybe I'm forgetting one but it's the only time in my life since the 60s I can recall ever seeing Blacks get a really decent offer to make a difference. I guess the mistrust from years of hate and racism is too deep and complicated to get through. I too am sick of the suffering.

Maybe I'm looking at this all wrong but I doubt it.

[Fearless]

136. When you pay for the total cost of the roads you use

We'll talk. Until then.. Not gonna happen.

[MrMickeysMom]

19. Hey John...

Join the Military... Travel the World! a better free ride for the choices we have when youth become of age?

Damned right in that nothing is free... That includes finding out how many representatives of congress it takes to budget a lightbulb in a military installation versus a public place of higher education. Which one of those two examples is an investment towards America's future?

[VulgarPoet]

54. PREACH.

[Akamai]

25. Certainly seems like "divide and conquer" to slash gov. programs which

have been proven to be helpful to others.

Aside from Republicans, I don't know who would do that and I believe that in their heart of hearts, Hillary and Lewis know this is true as well.

Bernie is just saying the truth of these things out loud.

Go Bernie!!!

[geek tragedy]

75. Lol, anonymous internet ranter calls for civil rights icon to be purged from national politics. nt

[geek tragedy]

99. a very odd comment--Mr Lewis will die one day but every day he is around

to contribute his voice is a gift to us

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. I see. Was our Interstate system free? Was our Public School system free? Were our bridges, levies,

Dams, water treatment plants free? What about our entire infrastructure? Who the fuck paid/pays for it? WE, THE TAX PAYERS DO.

If WE THE TAX PAYERS were obligated to pay for all that, why the hell can't we pay for Tuition-free Universities, Medicare-for-All, Paid sick leave, and Repairing our infrastructure, which will create jobs? I'll tell you why - Because Wall St., TPTB, CORRUPT *ON THE TAKE* GREEDY CONGRESS PEOPLE, MIC and CORPORATE TAX DODGERS don't want their gravy train to end.

All Bernie wants to do is return what is RIGHTFULLY OURS - BILLIONS of dollars that TRICKLED *UP* to the greedy 1% for the last 36 freakin' years...since Reagan was in office!

How disingenuous can Congressman Lewis be? That's just fucking sad - supporting RIGHT WING BULLSHIT for HILLARY CLINTON.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

50. Wars are also free. We don't have to worry about budgets or offsets.

[passiveporcupine]

29. I wonder what Lewis' position on reparations to AAs is.

Has anyone asked him?

[watoos]

31. Here's the answer that I give

when people say that Bernie is giving away free stuff, I saw it from another poster.
Bernie isn't giving away free stuff, we're taking back what was stolen from us.

[Fast Walker 52]

42. exactly.

[Baitball Blogger]

32. Hard work never killed anyone?

Didn't I just read that a coal company was going to give millions of dollars to the business leaders that bankrupted the company in exchange for reducing health benefits and pensions to its workers? Is this the model for the future that John Lewis wants to support?

[Enthusiast]

47. Plus One! Hard work has led to the premature death of thousands, especially in the coal industry.

[sarge43]

34. Appears he has drank the Kool Aid. What a shame. n/t

[TBF]

36. Cali I wish they'd tell the damned truth -

they don't want free college because it will f*** with the military recruiting.

[Fast Walker 52]

43. well, fuck the military industrial complex

it has robbed this country for too fucking long, not too mention the countless lives it has destroyed.

[cali]

52. Good point, TBF. That never occurred to me.

[VulgarPoet]

56. If I had the chance to go to college for free

I never would have squandered the past four years, and the next two years on this drivel. And now? I've got a bad knee, I'm stuck in a dead end job for the next two years, deployed once in support of cleaning up an intervention that Clinton supported, and I'm burnt out enough that when my name came up for another deployment, they didn't want me going because my head's screwed.

The military needs to be downsized harder. Fraud, waste, and abuse need to ACTUALLY BE CHASED, instead of token offerings being given that when reports go up, do nothing. More General Officers need to be fired. The F-35 needs to be scrapped for a better, more cost efficient design. The military is a fucking food processor that we've been stuffing money into and next to none of it goes to the personnel, or the bases that the personnel work on-- my supervisors have been saying for the past four years that we've been having to do more and more for less and less.

All thanks to the greedy sons of bitches in Congress, and the people that support them.

[TBF]

78. I grew up in the midwest

and went to a local state school an hour from my parents (luckily for me that was UW Madison - back when tuition was less than $2K a year). But I have seen many family and friends go the military route because there simply aren't opportunities. Huge student loan debt or $7/hr at Walmart? The military looks attractive vs those 2 options.

And it doesn't have to be everyone going to Harvard. That's not sustainable. What it can be though is folks going to their local community or public 4 yr college and learning how to code or run medical equipment so job opportunities are possible, etc... Of course this only works if we actually keep some jobs in THIS country rather than sending them to Malaysia.

I understand that Hillary is very good on civil rights, womens rights etc... (as is Bernie), but she is also an enthusiastic capitalist. And that is why I view her as an enemy to working people.

[frylock]

93. Woah! Never looked at it from that angle.

[TBF]

95. Gotta feed the war machine.

Even Eisenhower told us that ...

[frylock]

98. As the reasons for the carnage cut their meat and lick the gravy

We oil the jaws of the War Machine and feed it with our babies

[bulloney]

37. I agree with Lewis that nothing is free.

So, neither are these indiscriminate invasions and occupations of other nations that we've engaged in recent years. So are these multi-million dollar military contracts that go to build weapons that the Pentagon even says are not needed in some cases. So are these multi-billion dollar bank bailouts that were authorized because of incompetent and corrupt leaders of said banks. So are these subsidies for multi-billion dollar, multi-national corporations. Yet, I don't hear much squawking about them.

But, just suggest things like college educations should be more affordable, or wages should be adjusted to help working Americans make an honest living and it's Katie bar the door!

[fredamae]

38. ^^^^This^^^^

It's pretty clear, some of The Best in DC are proving themselves soooo very "out of touch".
I'm sure they don't consider this to be Hypocrisy...but in from my vantage point - it certainly is.

[Fast Walker 52]

44. why do so many people think our goddamned massive military is free?

I expect this type of thinking from Republicans, but not Lewis.

[TBF]

79. Thank you - no one ever brings that up. nt

[TBF]

85. I don't know about the top

but there's a spot for him for sure.

[TBF]

92. Don't even get me started on Flint.

[yuiyoshida]

112. and the results are in!

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[yuiyoshida]

125. Indeed...

[jberryhill]

132. Five for five

Poster has left the building!

[yuiyoshida]

133. "POOF!"

They will be back, I am pretty sure of it.

[Enthusiast]

48. PLUS ONE, a huge bunch!

[WillyT]

68. + 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!!

[Punkingal]

39. Never thought I would see the day John Lewis is telling people not to hope or have a dream.

[restorefreedom]

88. this election is blowing my mind in so many ways

and most of them sad ways....

[kath]

105. This. It's totally mind-boggling. unreal.

[davidthegnome]

41. Brings back memories.

When I was a telemarketer... many years ago, I had to sell accidental death and dismemberment insurance. I had to tell people that the first 90 days would be "at no cost to them", or, "paid for them". I could not call it free, because, from what we were all told at the time, free insurance was illegal. Even if a customer asked me, "So it's free?" I had to reply with, "No, free insurance is illegal, it's at no cost to you."

This is the same thing. The difference is that instead of one single corporation paying the premiums (for 3 months, after which...) it's the entire American populace. Our tax dollars could pay for education, healthcare, food, water... no, damn right it's not coming for free, anyone who works and pays taxes will be paying for it. Hard work? You mean like all those folks working 40-80 hours a week to get by? Single parents with three jobs? Construction workers, dishwashers, cooks, waitresses/waiters, bartenders, plumbers, carpenters, doctors, nurses, teachers... etc.? Pretty sure these people know what hard work is.

I briefly overheard the (fart) Trump(et) on my Father's TV last night - talking about how he wanted to rebuild and strengthen the military. No doubt, to "make peace". Bush said the same thing during a debate with Al Gore... and I remember thinking, "You don't rebuild/strengthen a military to make peace... you do that to make war." Guess what? Trump isn't one of those peace loving candidates - and, sadly, neither is Clinton. I expect a vast increase in military funding under either of these two potential nominees.

I'd much rather see my tax dollars go for education, food, water - and healthcare... than into yet another war we have no business being in while our infrastructure crumbles around us. I'd rather work for and pay for things that are going to help us, the 99%, survive and thrive.

That said - hard work has killed plenty of people. A lot of them have died waiting for health insurance, a shot at college, leave to come home from war, retirement - and so on. Hard work however, rarely kills the wealthy - because they have other people to do that stuff for them.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

46. That's carrying the water for Rs. The message:

Dems have to work hard, Rs get subsidies and tax breaks - getting things for free - and the luxury of income distribution to the top. Try to redistribute income to grow the middle class, and Dems start shaming Dems.

Nice!

[secondwind]

51. The GOP will use these words against Bernie if he is the nominee.. I wish folks would just

take a deep breath, here.

Yes, nothing is free.. but Americans have been paying taxes for decades and what do they get for their trouble? We privatize profits in this country, and socialize losses.

There always seems to be money for a new trillion-dollar military jet or whatever, and we cannot afford 61 billion a year to give kids a good college education? GIVE ME A BREAK

[jeff47]

55. This has to be one of the stupidest talking point ever.

It isn't free, Congressman Lewis.

The graduate will be paying taxes for the rest of their life. Statistics show that college graduates make more money, even if they do not use their degree in their job. Making more money means more taxes.

"Free" college actually turns the government a profit, because they will be collecting 40 years of taxes on a higher income.

The difference is progressive taxation means most of that "payback" happens when the former student is best able to afford it. Instead of student loans, when they are least able to afford it.

[thesquanderer]

58. I wonder what he thinks of Hillary's community college plan? (n/t)

[Javaman]

61. staring in a remake of grumpy old men...nt

[TheSarcastinator]

76. another sad straw man attack from Team Clinton

Bernie has NEVER claimed anything would be "free", including college, water and health care: he has said they should be PUBLICLY FUNDED. The difference is huge and telling. Clinton and Lewis both understand the difference very well but apparently think American voters are nowhere near as clever as they.

[Hoyt]

77. Lewis is right. Now, that doesn't mean we can't get the wealthy and corporations to contribute

to these things. But, believe it or not, the rest of us will have to pay something too. I'm fine with it because I believe we will all be better off, but I bet a whole lot aren't.

[Truprogressive85]

80. I dont think its just those two , its the whole Democratic Establishment

I really believe that the Party's big wigs really see Millennials as rebels

[thereismore]

81. Hard work in the military has killed millions of people, Mr. Lewis. We don't want that. nt

[geek tragedy]

100. the pure hatred you have for John Lewis--calling him a "fucking capitalist reactionary asshole"

places you very far from Bernie Sanders and his values.

I would take 1 John Lewis over 10,000 seething Internet hate peddlers such as yourself.

People who hate John Lewis are generally bad human beings.

[geek tragedy]

104. John Lewis is a hero. Chickenshit armchair/keyboard revolutionaries who hate

him are as irrelevant as they are despicable.

Last word is yours. I won't be reading your excretions any more.

[cherokeeprogressive]

110. I agree with you about Lewis. As far as this poster goes though...

[restorefreedom]

86. so busting ass at two or three minimum wage jobs is not "hard work"?

paying taxes on those earnings for phblic services, so screw someone who wants themselves or their kid to get a better life through a college education?

if the source had not attributed the quote to him, i would have thought it was cruz or rubio.

closing the door behind you after you have escaped.

what a damn shame.

this is why bernie is going to win.

[m-lekktor]

94. THE HERO strikes again. nt

[frylock]

97. It amazes me that people are so willing to undermine their legacy by selling out..

to the Clinton Machine. Hope it's worth it to you, Rep Lewis.

[jillan]

101. Wall Street bailouts okay? Investing in the future of our country by investing in education not okay

No comprendo!

[Autumn]

115. Here's the problem John. I have a dream.

A dream where old people don't have to make a choice between food or medicine, a dream where people are paid a living wage, a dream where families and our Veterans don't live on the fucking street. A dream where people are guaranteed the right to health care, not the right to purchase insurance that many can't afford to use. A dream where young people can get an educations without going onto a lifelong crushing debt. No one is asking for free food or water, no one is asking for free health care we are willing to pay a higher tax for it, for ourselves and the vulnerable among us. We pay taxes for that education and all we are asking is that Wall Street pays a slight tax for higher education. You and Hillary are sending a message, the wrong message.

[kath]

121. +1000. Thanks Autumn. STILL can't believe that Lewis said that, and that he supports the "No We

Can't" candidate. WTF?

[Autumn]

127. I can't believe he agrees with "hard work never killed anyone".

It has, it has killed many. I think for the most part people who work in government forget or don't know what manual labor does to the body. Couple that with the stress of making ends meet and having to decide between health care or covering basic needs yeah hard work has killed many.

[Mike Nelson]

129. The colleges would be full...

Many people I know would go back to school! I would, but I've completed four years plus graduate school... maybe I could get a doctorate? ...a neighbor of mine is in her 60s and lost her job in a video store. Her children are grown and she would like a new career... she's very bright and regrets never going on to college. I know she'd love getting a college degree!

[840high]

135. My daughter went back to college at 50 - we

never had the money before. Even now it's pinching pennies.

Lewis has disappointed me greatly.