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JudyM

(29,251 posts)
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:24 AM Feb 2016

Ben Jealous: 'Every part' of Sanders' platform helps African-Americans

"He has the best racial justice platform of any presidential candidate -- but every part of his platform helps African-Americans. His infrastructure plan creates or preserves 13 million good jobs. That helps African-Americans. Providing tuition-free education at public colleges and universities opens the door to opportunity for young people. That helps African-Americans. He has a plan to protect and expand Social Security -- that helps African-Americans."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/benjamin-todd-jealous/who-is-bernie-sanders_b_9245748.html

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Ben Jealous: 'Every part' of Sanders' platform helps African-Americans (Original Post) JudyM Feb 2016 OP
Keep spreading the word yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #1
Yeah, but... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #2
it's a bunch of neoliberals preaching the prosperity gospel nashville_brook Feb 2016 #3
I think it's best we just ignore those posters... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #5
Hillary's answer to that thesquanderer Feb 2016 #9
she also told BLM that she'd only talk to roguevalley Feb 2016 #17
Actually, I give her a pass on that one. thesquanderer Feb 2016 #22
same fbc Feb 2016 #26
I dont. agree to disagree roguevalley Feb 2016 #32
If you'd like to see more of the other perspective... thesquanderer Feb 2016 #41
They never look at it that way. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #19
None of them would come on to this thread and make the argument that Bernie's economic Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #34
I saw an interesting movie the other night Mnpaul Feb 2016 #71
At this point those few posters are pure white noise nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #43
K&R cyberswede Feb 2016 #4
That's because that's not really their "issue" with him. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #46
+1! Nt JudyM Feb 2016 #48
... in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #49
Given what Ben did to Shirley Sherrod DURHAM D Feb 2016 #6
... and Obama too? He admitted his administration forced her out. JudyM Feb 2016 #8
Sherrod tendered her resignation upon demand from Cheryl Cook, Dep Undersecratary of the USDA Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #12
Jealous had no power over her, Obama certainly did. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #30
The Iranian nuclear agreement helps African Americans firebrand80 Feb 2016 #7
I think he does. HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #10
When he's asked about issues of race firebrand80 Feb 2016 #11
So what is Hillary's answer that lets you know she 'gets it'? Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #13
It's the way she talks about the issues firebrand80 Feb 2016 #14
What does she propose to do though? libtodeath Feb 2016 #16
about what? firebrand80 Feb 2016 #18
Seriously??? Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #20
!... TeeYiYi Feb 2016 #31
You cant make something like that response up. libtodeath Feb 2016 #23
funniest. reply. ever. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #38
Expert government study...what else? freebrew Feb 2016 #24
Hillary is running on fighting the Republicans to keep what we have.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #37
"What I believe is we will have four years of impeachment hearings." freebrew Feb 2016 #39
The banks will get off completely for the financial crisis too.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #40
Talk. That's more than enough is what I keep seeing. Autumn Feb 2016 #25
I'm not saying talk is enough firebrand80 Feb 2016 #45
Talk nicely and carry a big whip. nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #53
Well, accepting tons of money from the prison industrial complex and loan-denying banksters..... marmar Feb 2016 #28
in denial of loans, voter suppression efforts, and Republican opposition to President Obama. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #33
That's where I disagree with Bernie firebrand80 Feb 2016 #44
Bernie jumped right on the Florida black vote disenfranchisement. Just one example JudyM Feb 2016 #54
Good for him firebrand80 Feb 2016 #58
So, what did Clinton do (or try to do) about Florida 2000? n/r eridani Feb 2016 #68
Wow, she actually recognized racial inequality. She is so far ahead of her times!!! A Simple Game Feb 2016 #47
Really? Have you seen this video?: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #51
No, this is the first time I've seen it firebrand80 Feb 2016 #55
Yes, she didn't address white privilege, all she did was talk about herself. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #56
Sounded like she did to me firebrand80 Feb 2016 #57
She talked about how she suddenly realized PoC love their kids too. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #59
She talked about how much more well off firebrand80 Feb 2016 #60
That's not white privilege, that's a person who grew up with money talking about monetary privilege. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #61
not this tired canard noiretextatique Feb 2016 #70
Including his overall stance on guns?! I don't think so Ben uponit7771 Feb 2016 #15
"Overall" meaning his D- from the NRA? Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #21
no, c liftime avg...d is from one year uponit7771 Feb 2016 #63
Including his overall stance on guns?! AlbertCat Feb 2016 #35
His overall support of gun control doesn't help AAs? Link? Tia! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #50
no...you have enough info on it uponit7771 Feb 2016 #64
No I don't, how does gun control hurt AAs? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #65
The word is getting out and will continue to spread CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #27
position Sanders as someone who doesn't care about minorities. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #36
Some may not care about the truth. Some may be looking for anything at all, even if clearly false. JudyM Feb 2016 #42
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #29
But why even try to make things better for blacks if it won't end racism and sexism? nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #52
^^should be an OP^^ n/t eridani Feb 2016 #69
This is a great read! Thanks for posting Arazi Feb 2016 #62
K&R amborin Feb 2016 #66
K & R LWolf Feb 2016 #67

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. Yeah, but...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:30 AM
Feb 2016

a lot of folks seem to think that doesn't matter because Bernie doesn't specifically help ONLY black Americans, or doesn't talk about how to 'end racism'. Therefore, they can't support Sanders, despite the fact that his policies would actually help black Americans.

(And I'm still not clear exactly on how Clinton is going to end sexism, end racism, end homophobia, no matter how many policies she claims to have and Sanders supposedly doesn't.)

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
3. it's a bunch of neoliberals preaching the prosperity gospel
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:54 AM
Feb 2016

who are making all the noise about Sanders. people are seeing through it.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
9. Hillary's answer to that
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 11:54 AM
Feb 2016

"Look, I don't believe you change hearts. I believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate."

It's a perfectly good answer. But I don't know if Hillary fans would feel that would be acceptable if it had come out of Bernie's mouth.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
41. If you'd like to see more of the other perspective...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:05 PM
Feb 2016

...check out http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017300425 especially posts 32/33/35.

But agree to disagree is okay too. Just kinda wanted to make sure you actually saw the other side before disagreeing with it.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
34. None of them would come on to this thread and make the argument that Bernie's economic
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:25 PM
Feb 2016

policies couldn't/wouldn't also reduce racism.

I tried repeatedly but there were no takers.



POVERTY AND RACISM INEXTRICABLY LINKED, SAYS UN EXPERT

Amongst his recommendations, the Special Rapporteur invited member states to adopt comprehensive approaches for tackling the intersection of poverty and discrimination which is prevalent around the world.

In particular, he recommended that member states review and redesign policies and programmes which may have a disproportionate effect on racial or ethnic minorities in view of their socioeconomic vulnerability and implement effective measures to improve the access of such groups to civil, cultural, economic, political and social rights.

The Special Rapporteur further encouraged the stakeholders of the post-2015 agenda to continue focusing on reducing socioeconomic inequalities while taking into account issues surrounding discrimination.

While the Millennium Development Goals have addressed the reduction of extreme poverty, he suggested that in the post-2015 agenda specific goals and targets be developed to ensure that everyone, regardless of socioeconomic status or ethnicity, has universal access to health care, education, water, food and security.


Kanaga Raja is Editor of the South-North Development Monitor (SUNS), from which this article is reproduced (No. 7692, 8 November 2013). SUNS is published by the Third World Network.


http://www.socialwatch.org/node/16324


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511221589

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
71. I saw an interesting movie the other night
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:37 PM
Feb 2016

10,000 Black Men Named George
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10,000_Black_Men_Named_George

It told the story of A. Philip Randolph, leader of the first AA union and leader of the civil rights movement The movie showed how their fight for rights at work turned into something much larger:

Asa[1] Philip Randolph (April 15, 1889 – May 16, 1979) was a leader in the African-American Civil Rights Movement, the American labor movement, and socialist political parties.

He organized and led the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, the first predominantly African American labor union. In the early Civil Rights Movement, Randolph led the March on Washington Movement, which convinced President Franklin D. Roosevelt to issue Executive Order 8802 in 1941, banning discrimination in the defense industries during World War II. The group then successfully pressured President Harry S. Truman to issue Executive Order 9981 in 1948, ending segregation in the armed services.

In 1963, Randolph was the head of the March on Washington, which was organized by Bayard Rustin, at which Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. delivered his "I Have A Dream" speech. Randolph inspired the Freedom budget, sometimes called the "Randolph Freedom budget", which aimed to deal with the economic problems facing the black community.


A. Philip Randolph threatened a march on Washington in the '40s and the feds gave in. He threatened a march in the 50's and the feds gave in. He went forward with the march in the 60's and that was the one where MLK made his famous speech. Why does he get little or no mention in the media or history books? I had never heard of him before seeing the movie.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
43. At this point those few posters are pure white noise
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:14 PM
Feb 2016

the kind that lulls me to sleep

And I recommend people take that tack with them.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
4. K&R
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:57 AM
Feb 2016

I've posted excerpts from Bernie's Racial Justice platform - hoping for constructive criticism on it - if it doesn't go far enough, or doesn't' address specifics well enough, or whatever. Nobody has commented on any of them.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
46. That's because that's not really their "issue" with him.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:07 PM
Feb 2016

It's just the excuse they use.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
12. Sherrod tendered her resignation upon demand from Cheryl Cook, Dep Undersecratary of the USDA
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:10 PM
Feb 2016

and Cook said the pressure was from the WH. Jealous had no power over her, Obama certainly did.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
30. Jealous had no power over her, Obama certainly did.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:18 PM
Feb 2016

Don't burst the Hillary bubble! They love looking down their noses at those lesser entities that don't fall for "Bernie doesn't get it" memes started by the GOP.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
7. The Iranian nuclear agreement helps African Americans
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 11:24 AM
Feb 2016

The issue I have with Bernie is not whether he has a good platform. I want to know whether he thinks the race problem in America extends beyond class. I don't think he does.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
10. I think he does.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:00 PM
Feb 2016

He typically mentions institutional racism in his stump speeches, and he's done several appearances where he's talked at length about racism and minorities, particularly African Americans. It just tends to get overshadowed by his views on the economy and Wall St, which is a product of both the way he approaches his speeches and the way the media covers them.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
11. When he's asked about issues of race
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:09 PM
Feb 2016

His first reaction is typically "create more jobs." That's what leads me to believe that he doesn't quite get it.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. So what is Hillary's answer that lets you know she 'gets it'?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:14 PM
Feb 2016

To me, Hillary's strong opposition to civil rights for LGBT offers a red flag in terms of how Hillary deals with the rights of minority groups.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
14. It's the way she talks about the issues
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:30 PM
Feb 2016

He recent speech on race is a good example. She recognized racial inequality that goes beyond economic inequality, such as racism in denial of loans, voter suppression efforts, and Republican opposition to President Obama.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
24. Expert government study...what else?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:39 PM
Feb 2016

That's her answer to cannabis legalization, labor problems, etc.

After the studies are done, prolly back to status quo.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
37. Hillary is running on fighting the Republicans to keep what we have....
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:31 PM
Feb 2016

An article the other day used the word "stagnation".

What I believe is we will have four years of impeachment hearings.

Impeachment votes in the House will be all the rage alongside their usual Repeal Obamacare votes.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
39. "What I believe is we will have four years of impeachment hearings."
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:37 PM
Feb 2016

Along with a lot of republican legislation getting passed to screw over the working and middle classes.

As if there's much left of us, they'll get it all with HRC in the WH.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
40. The banks will get off completely for the financial crisis too....
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:43 PM
Feb 2016

I'm sure she has a Goldman Sachs alumni waiting in the wings to be Treasury Secretary.

Autumn

(45,108 posts)
25. Talk. That's more than enough is what I keep seeing.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:42 PM
Feb 2016

She doesn't have to do anything. Just talk. I don't get it.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
45. I'm not saying talk is enough
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:27 PM
Feb 2016

In every election voters are expected to essentially "guess" which candidate will be better on issues they care about based on the candidate's record, history, and what they say.

marmar

(77,082 posts)
28. Well, accepting tons of money from the prison industrial complex and loan-denying banksters.....
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016

..... is an odd way to show it.


 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
33. in denial of loans, voter suppression efforts, and Republican opposition to President Obama.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:24 PM
Feb 2016

in denial of loans,

economic



voter suppression efforts,

Sanders has talked about this. It too stems from economic "segregation"



and Republican opposition to President Obama.

Every liberal has talked about this. A lot of economics goes in there too.


The "way she talks about it" sounds scripted and certainly not passionate.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
44. That's where I disagree with Bernie
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

These issues of race are intertwined with economic issues, but they aren't one in the same. For example, I don't worry about where my next meal is coming from, but I do worry about one of my sons being treated unfairly (or worse) by a police officer.

I will concede that sounding "human" and not like a technocrat is not a political skill of hers. She shows flashes from time to time, it's very difficult to pull out of her though.

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
54. Bernie jumped right on the Florida black vote disenfranchisement. Just one example
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:34 PM
Feb 2016

of his actions speaking volumes about his values.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
58. Good for him
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:26 PM
Feb 2016

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that Bernie's heart isn't in the right place on these issues

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
47. Wow, she actually recognized racial inequality. She is so far ahead of her times!!!
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:09 PM
Feb 2016

Ummm, no mention on what to do about it?

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
55. No, this is the first time I've seen it
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:19 PM
Feb 2016

That said, is there something in her response you found objectionable?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
56. Yes, she didn't address white privilege, all she did was talk about herself.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:21 PM
Feb 2016

She doesn't "get it" in other words.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
59. She talked about how she suddenly realized PoC love their kids too.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:28 PM
Feb 2016

How is that discussing white privilege?

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
70. not this tired canard
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:35 PM
Feb 2016

ask a poor, black person if a job would improve her life. a part of the race problem is economics. this non-argument is only pushed by people who are not poor. for the downtrodden black upper class

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
35. Including his overall stance on guns?!
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:27 PM
Feb 2016

This debunked meme again?

Are you referring to his D- rating with the NRA?

Or perhaps his reluctance to vote for bills with crap inserted into them at the last minute?

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
27. The word is getting out and will continue to spread
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:47 PM
Feb 2016

ALL PEOPLE, regardless of race, gender and creed--will research these candidates and draw their own conclusions.

They won't be swayed by Hillary propaganda and race baiting--a machine that is working overtime to position Sanders as someone who doesn't care about minorities.

It's all lies. I trust that the truth will surface.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
36. position Sanders as someone who doesn't care about minorities.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:29 PM
Feb 2016

A meme started back in June? July? by the GOP.

Remember! VT is so small and white, it isn't even a part of the USA! (neither apparently is IA and NH)

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
42. Some may not care about the truth. Some may be looking for anything at all, even if clearly false.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:13 PM
Feb 2016

Hm, wonder why?

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