2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBen Jealous: 'Every part' of Sanders' platform helps African-Americans
"He has the best racial justice platform of any presidential candidate -- but every part of his platform helps African-Americans. His infrastructure plan creates or preserves 13 million good jobs. That helps African-Americans. Providing tuition-free education at public colleges and universities opens the door to opportunity for young people. That helps African-Americans. He has a plan to protect and expand Social Security -- that helps African-Americans."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/benjamin-todd-jealous/who-is-bernie-sanders_b_9245748.html
Former head of NAACP responds to a common DU topic...
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)a lot of folks seem to think that doesn't matter because Bernie doesn't specifically help ONLY black Americans, or doesn't talk about how to 'end racism'. Therefore, they can't support Sanders, despite the fact that his policies would actually help black Americans.
(And I'm still not clear exactly on how Clinton is going to end sexism, end racism, end homophobia, no matter how many policies she claims to have and Sanders supposedly doesn't.)
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)who are making all the noise about Sanders. people are seeing through it.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)..."end racism"...talk about unicorns and rainbows.
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)"Look, I don't believe you change hearts. I believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate."
It's a perfectly good answer. But I don't know if Hillary fans would feel that would be acceptable if it had come out of Bernie's mouth.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)white people
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)In full context, it isn't quite what it seems.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)...check out http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017300425 especially posts 32/33/35.
But agree to disagree is okay too. Just kinda wanted to make sure you actually saw the other side before disagreeing with it.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)policies couldn't/wouldn't also reduce racism.
I tried repeatedly but there were no takers.
POVERTY AND RACISM INEXTRICABLY LINKED, SAYS UN EXPERT
Amongst his recommendations, the Special Rapporteur invited member states to adopt comprehensive approaches for tackling the intersection of poverty and discrimination which is prevalent around the world.
In particular, he recommended that member states review and redesign policies and programmes which may have a disproportionate effect on racial or ethnic minorities in view of their socioeconomic vulnerability and implement effective measures to improve the access of such groups to civil, cultural, economic, political and social rights.
The Special Rapporteur further encouraged the stakeholders of the post-2015 agenda to continue focusing on reducing socioeconomic inequalities while taking into account issues surrounding discrimination.
While the Millennium Development Goals have addressed the reduction of extreme poverty, he suggested that in the post-2015 agenda specific goals and targets be developed to ensure that everyone, regardless of socioeconomic status or ethnicity, has universal access to health care, education, water, food and security.
Kanaga Raja is Editor of the South-North Development Monitor (SUNS), from which this article is reproduced (No. 7692, 8 November 2013). SUNS is published by the Third World Network.
http://www.socialwatch.org/node/16324
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511221589
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)10,000 Black Men Named George
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10,000_Black_Men_Named_George
It told the story of A. Philip Randolph, leader of the first AA union and leader of the civil rights movement The movie showed how their fight for rights at work turned into something much larger:
Asa[1] Philip Randolph (April 15, 1889 May 16, 1979) was a leader in the African-American Civil Rights Movement, the American labor movement, and socialist political parties.
He organized and led the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, the first predominantly African American labor union. In the early Civil Rights Movement, Randolph led the March on Washington Movement, which convinced President Franklin D. Roosevelt to issue Executive Order 8802 in 1941, banning discrimination in the defense industries during World War II. The group then successfully pressured President Harry S. Truman to issue Executive Order 9981 in 1948, ending segregation in the armed services.
In 1963, Randolph was the head of the March on Washington, which was organized by Bayard Rustin, at which Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. delivered his "I Have A Dream" speech. Randolph inspired the Freedom budget, sometimes called the "Randolph Freedom budget", which aimed to deal with the economic problems facing the black community.
A. Philip Randolph threatened a march on Washington in the '40s and the feds gave in. He threatened a march in the 50's and the feds gave in. He went forward with the march in the 60's and that was the one where MLK made his famous speech. Why does he get little or no mention in the media or history books? I had never heard of him before seeing the movie.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the kind that lulls me to sleep
And I recommend people take that tack with them.
I've posted excerpts from Bernie's Racial Justice platform - hoping for constructive criticism on it - if it doesn't go far enough, or doesn't' address specifics well enough, or whatever. Nobody has commented on any of them.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)It's just the excuse they use.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
JudyM
(29,251 posts)PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)what he has to say is of little interest to anyone.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)Just curious...
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and Cook said the pressure was from the WH. Jealous had no power over her, Obama certainly did.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Don't burst the Hillary bubble! They love looking down their noses at those lesser entities that don't fall for "Bernie doesn't get it" memes started by the GOP.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)The issue I have with Bernie is not whether he has a good platform. I want to know whether he thinks the race problem in America extends beyond class. I don't think he does.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)He typically mentions institutional racism in his stump speeches, and he's done several appearances where he's talked at length about racism and minorities, particularly African Americans. It just tends to get overshadowed by his views on the economy and Wall St, which is a product of both the way he approaches his speeches and the way the media covers them.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)His first reaction is typically "create more jobs." That's what leads me to believe that he doesn't quite get it.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)To me, Hillary's strong opposition to civil rights for LGBT offers a red flag in terms of how Hillary deals with the rights of minority groups.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)He recent speech on race is a good example. She recognized racial inequality that goes beyond economic inequality, such as racism in denial of loans, voter suppression efforts, and Republican opposition to President Obama.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)TYY
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)omg. can't breathe over here, laughing so hard.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)That's her answer to cannabis legalization, labor problems, etc.
After the studies are done, prolly back to status quo.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)An article the other day used the word "stagnation".
What I believe is we will have four years of impeachment hearings.
Impeachment votes in the House will be all the rage alongside their usual Repeal Obamacare votes.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)Along with a lot of republican legislation getting passed to screw over the working and middle classes.
As if there's much left of us, they'll get it all with HRC in the WH.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)I'm sure she has a Goldman Sachs alumni waiting in the wings to be Treasury Secretary.
Autumn
(45,108 posts)She doesn't have to do anything. Just talk. I don't get it.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)In every election voters are expected to essentially "guess" which candidate will be better on issues they care about based on the candidate's record, history, and what they say.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)marmar
(77,082 posts)..... is an odd way to show it.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)in denial of loans,
economic
voter suppression efforts,
Sanders has talked about this. It too stems from economic "segregation"
and Republican opposition to President Obama.
Every liberal has talked about this. A lot of economics goes in there too.
The "way she talks about it" sounds scripted and certainly not passionate.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)These issues of race are intertwined with economic issues, but they aren't one in the same. For example, I don't worry about where my next meal is coming from, but I do worry about one of my sons being treated unfairly (or worse) by a police officer.
I will concede that sounding "human" and not like a technocrat is not a political skill of hers. She shows flashes from time to time, it's very difficult to pull out of her though.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)of his actions speaking volumes about his values.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Just to be clear, I'm not saying that Bernie's heart isn't in the right place on these issues
eridani
(51,907 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Ummm, no mention on what to do about it?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She doesn't get it at all.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)That said, is there something in her response you found objectionable?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She doesn't "get it" in other words.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)She was talking about a time when her own privilege was recognizable to her
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)How is that discussing white privilege?
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Her upbringing was compared to theirs
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)ask a poor, black person if a job would improve her life. a part of the race problem is economics. this non-argument is only pushed by people who are not poor. for the downtrodden black upper class
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)This debunked meme again?
Are you referring to his D- rating with the NRA?
Or perhaps his reluctance to vote for bills with crap inserted into them at the last minute?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)ALL PEOPLE, regardless of race, gender and creed--will research these candidates and draw their own conclusions.
They won't be swayed by Hillary propaganda and race baiting--a machine that is working overtime to position Sanders as someone who doesn't care about minorities.
It's all lies. I trust that the truth will surface.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)A meme started back in June? July? by the GOP.
Remember! VT is so small and white, it isn't even a part of the USA! (neither apparently is IA and NH)
JudyM
(29,251 posts)Hm, wonder why?
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, JudyM.