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UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:47 AM Feb 2016

VIDEO: Noam Chomsky: Bernie Sanders Is Not a Socialist, He’s a ‘Decent, Honest New-Dealer’

“If [Bernie Sanders] were elected, I think he’d be the one, from the current candidates ... with the best policies,” the renowned linguist and activist recently told Al-Jazeera in an interview. Chomsky adds, however, that in the current American system of “bought elections,” he doesn’t think Sanders has much chance of winning. He goes on to outline the differences between the Democrats and Republicans who are running.

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/video_noam_chomsky_bernie_sanders_is_not_a_socialist_new_dealer_20160217

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VIDEO: Noam Chomsky: Bernie Sanders Is Not a Socialist, He’s a ‘Decent, Honest New-Dealer’ (Original Post) UglyGreed Feb 2016 OP
Then he should stop saying he is...it would make his prospects a lot better. brooklynite Feb 2016 #1
And Hillary should stop saying UglyGreed Feb 2016 #2
He has never said he is a 'Socialist' AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #3
Of course but some like to UglyGreed Feb 2016 #5
He has called himself a Socialist a number of times. redstateblues Feb 2016 #6
That is a lie AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #8
And Hillary has called herself UglyGreed Feb 2016 #9
Let's have an English lesson... brooklynite Feb 2016 #10
Socialist is a political science term AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #15
Where do you think I got the definition? brooklynite Feb 2016 #16
That was Bernie's first big mistake redstateblues Feb 2016 #4
That is a lie AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #7
They are indeed...which is why he shouldn't have called himself a "socialist"... brooklynite Feb 2016 #11
Democratic Socialism is another way to say AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #13
See #10 brooklynite Feb 2016 #14
Democratic socialism forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #12

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
2. And Hillary should stop saying
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:50 AM
Feb 2016

she is a progressive since many people find that statement a bit odd.....

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
3. He has never said he is a 'Socialist'
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:53 AM
Feb 2016

He is a 'Democratic Socialist'

His policies are solidly mainstream.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
5. Of course but some like to
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:55 AM
Feb 2016

play with words..... add a word or two here, leave a word or two out there......

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
6. He has called himself a Socialist a number of times.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:56 AM
Feb 2016

He only added Democratic when he thought about running for Prsident

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
9. And Hillary has called herself
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:58 AM
Feb 2016

a moderate, progressive, centrist and a liberal all depends on the crowd

brooklynite

(94,603 posts)
10. Let's have an English lesson...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 11:07 AM
Feb 2016

"Socialist" is the primary word:

a social system or theory in which the government owns and controls the means of production (as factories) and distribution of goods.


"Democratic" is a modifier of the primary word:

Democratic socialism is a political ideology advocating a democratic political system alongside a socialist economic system, involving a combination of political democracy with social ownership of the means of production.


The fact that you have to keep trying to explain why "Democratic Socialism" isn't a subset of "Socialism", but apparently is something else entirely, is why you've already lost the inevitable battle with the Republicans when they tar Sanders with the "Socialist" label.
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
15. Socialist is a political science term
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 11:46 AM
Feb 2016

Democratic socialism does not have 'social ownership of means of production'. It has 'private' ownership of means of production.

I would suggest you google these things before waxing poetic.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
4. That was Bernie's first big mistake
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:55 AM
Feb 2016

and then when he decided to run for POTUS he tried to soften it by putting "Democratic" in front of it.

brooklynite

(94,603 posts)
11. They are indeed...which is why he shouldn't have called himself a "socialist"...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 11:09 AM
Feb 2016

He's actually a Social Democrat:

Social democracy is a political ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy,


...which would be far easier to defend against Republican attacks.
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
13. Democratic Socialism is another way to say
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 11:23 AM
Feb 2016

Social Democracy , which is what the US is if you strip away the right wing influence

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
12. Democratic socialism
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 11:11 AM
Feb 2016

Social Democrats have always been a part of the leftist socialist coalition, even if they're the rightmost wing of that coalition. There are multiple social democratic parties in the Socialist International as well, including UK Labor (though after Blair you could make a strong argument they should have been expelled).

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