Nevada Democrats will break caucus ties with high-card draw

[firebrand80]

I really don't know whether to laugh or cry

"In these very limited circumstances where two or more presidential preference groups are tied for the loss or gain of a delegate, groups must each draw a single card from a deck of cards to break the tie," party officials explained in a memo provided to CNN. "The high card determines the winner, and aces are high."

The party will furnish each precinct location with an "unopened deck" to be shuffled "at least seven times" after extra cards, like jokers, are removed. If the two sides pull cards of the same rank, the winner will be determined by suit: spades are the highest, with hearts, diamonds and clubs -- in that order -- to follow.

Precinct chairs will be given a hotline number to call if they run into any confusion along the way.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/17/politics/nevada-caucuses-tiebreaker-draw-high-card/

[Fawke Em]

1. Good God.

We really need to fix this shit.

SMH

[firebrand80]

2. NV will be close

So expect another crap fest

[Fawke Em]

26. Have you seen this?

A group of Bernie Sanders supporters launched a vigorous campaign calling on the candidate’s fans to film the Nevada caucuses—to protect against anyone stealing a victory from Sanders.

The initiative, appropriately called “Film the Caucus,” appears to have officially launched this week. The first Facebook posts and Youtube videos, which show alleged improprieties from the Iowa caucus, in which Sanders lost to Clinton by a hair, were published on Wednesday, Vocativ discovered.

The idea is to gather “an indisputable record” of proceedings using tools including a Google Form for volunteers, a Facebook page and a Youtube channel, where all videos from Nevada will be posted on Saturday during the caucuses.

http://www.vocativ.com/news/287004/bernie-sanders-film-nevada-primary/

[Jester Messiah]

3. And everyone knows you can't cheat at cards... especially not in Nevada!!

Christ on a pogo stick, what next.

[firebrand80]

5. I hear KY has arm wrestling nt

[Le Taz Hot]

25. LOL!

OK, now, that was funny.

[Funtatlaguy]

4. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh

Can we get someone named Chad to hang from a tree and hold the deck of cards.

[dsc]

7. So what precisely would you have them do?

Ties happen. Just how would you suggest breaking the tie? Apparently coins are bad, cards are now bad. So just how would you suggest breaking a tie?

[gyroscope]

9. No need to break a tie.

Split the delegates evenly

[firebrand80]

10. I would suggest abolishing caucuses altogether nt

[dsc]

13. I agree with that

and have said so for years. But even without a caucus a tie could happen within a CD.

[firebrand80]

22. Use Primaries

The caucus system disenfranchises too many people. People not understanding the system is a very good reason to get rid of it, trust in the system is fundamental to democracy.

[TCJ70]

15. There really isn't a need to break the tie...

...with the system we have. It's cumulative over 50 states and the chances of it STILL being tied after all 50 are pretty small.

[stopbush]

8. How Vegas is that?!

Big problem for Bernie - everyone knows the house never loses in Vegas, and Hillary is the house in this caucus.

[firebrand80]

11. The most Vegas thing that ever Vegas'd nt

[gyroscope]

12. Six out of six coin flips!

will they try to rig it for for her again, probably.

[dsc]

14. except it was 6 out of 7

and Bernie won that but don't let facts get in the way of a good anti Hillary smear.

[gyroscope]

16. 6 out of 7 is still not believable

unless you believe in unicorns.

[dsc]

17. there is a 1 in 8 chance of getting a distribution as extreme as that or more extreme

you can do the math. There are 128 ways that you can flip 7 coins (2^7). One way would be all Hillary, one way would be all Bernie. Then you have 7 where Hillary wins one, and 7 where Bernie wins one. That totals 16. 16/128 is 1/8. But again, Bernie is the one who won 6 not Hillary.

[gyroscope]

20. According to the Washington Post it was 6 out of 6 in favor of Hillary

this is a paper that endorsed Hillary and even they don't believe it.


Here’s just how unlikely Hillary Clinton’s 6-for-6 coin-toss victories would have been

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/02/heres-just-how-unlikely-hillary-clintons-6-for-6-coin-toss-victories-were/

[dsc]

21. that was written by the person who quite literally called her a bitch

and they were wrong. It has since been reported by multiple sources that there were 7 flips of which he won 6. but even flipping that to her winning 6 of 7 and my math is correct.

[firebrand80]

23. LOL!!

[Le Taz Hot]

24. Oh, good goddess!

[CoffeeCat]

27. I am truly concerned about the Nevada caucuses

After experiencing the mayhem that was the Iowa caucuses--and all of the cheating--I am concerned that the Clinton camp will wreak havoc and chaos in their next caucus stop.

There was cheating in my precinct. There were dirty tricks and chaos played out all over my state. I had friends call me after their caucus and tell me horror stories. Such a disgrace. We had 240,000 record-breaking caucus attendance in 2008--and the caucuses went off without a hitch. This year, we had 170,000 caucus goers and mayhem ensued. So many dirty tricks and efforts to intentionally cause chaos. So many that it's obvious that it wasn't an accident.

I don't have a problem with this "high card draw". People misunderstand these aspects of the caucuses. There truly are ties. You have to have a neutral way of deciding those ties. I personally don't understand why .5 delegates aren't apportioned in those instances. But, coin flips and card draws are necessary. They are rare, as well--but when they happen they are given inordinate publicity.

The coin flips are actually fair. It's all of the other cheating and dirty tricks that are so maddening. The sensationalism of the coin flips ends up eclipsing the real story of rampant cheating and intentional chaos that happens on so many levels.

I hope Nevada is prepared!!!! Sanders knows that cheating happened in Iowa. I was called by the campaign and I told my own horror story. I am confident that his campaign learned and will plan accordingly.

[EndElectoral]

28. Wouldn't it be fairer to just call the thing tied?