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Democratic nominee will be 1 of 2 people. Support your candidate. Stop trashing the other (Original Post) themaguffin Feb 2016 OP
:eyes: nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #1
Boring! Dawgs Feb 2016 #2
K&R mcar Feb 2016 #3
K&R LW1977 Feb 2016 #4
I support the only Democrat running. eom MohRokTah Feb 2016 #5
...and Bernie appreciates your support Android3.14 Feb 2016 #6
Sanders is a DINO MohRokTah Feb 2016 #9
Well that truce didn't last long! PonyUp Feb 2016 #30
He is more of a Democrat than Third Way parasites. Jackilope Feb 2016 #31
Not true, since he is not now nor has he ever been a Democrat. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #37
Oh, true alright. Third Way infestation turned Democratic Party Jackilope Feb 2016 #39
But that's no fun. bigwillq Feb 2016 #7
It's about the nomination, too. Orsino Feb 2016 #8
by Republicans themaguffin Feb 2016 #10
Plus all their backers's money and their MSM stooges. Orsino Feb 2016 #11
So that's your excuse for attacking Hillary.. asuhornets Feb 2016 #16
Attacks are a given. Orsino Feb 2016 #17
Not at all. mikehiggins Feb 2016 #35
K & R. n/t FSogol Feb 2016 #12
I know, republicans sit there weak as hell and many Ds? trash their own party. Sunlei Feb 2016 #13
When the Party fucks up as badly as it has, it deserves the criticism it gets. Maedhros Feb 2016 #15
The party that reformed the health care system. Brought new regulations on Wall Street. Yavin4 Feb 2016 #18
Excellent post, and while I very much support Bernie in the primary, I agree with what you said randys1 Feb 2016 #27
About four years to late for criticism. TODAY all 'complainers' do is carry water for republicans. Sunlei Feb 2016 #20
I for one have been criticizing the Party for longer than four years - I've hardly just started. Maedhros Feb 2016 #22
I apologize. I've read your posts & remember you're not one of the divisive 'water carriers' Sunlei Feb 2016 #34
Sorry, no. Maedhros Feb 2016 #14
You miss the point entirely themaguffin Feb 2016 #19
I reserve the right to aggressive attack Clinton's policies and record.[n/t] Maedhros Feb 2016 #21
Pathetic. Even when talking about the big picture themaguffin Feb 2016 #23
You advocate putting Party loyalty above principle. Maedhros Feb 2016 #24
No you're putting one person above policy goals & nominations themaguffin Feb 2016 #25
I don't believe Hillary's policy goals are good for the country. Maedhros Feb 2016 #26
So if she is the nominee, you will vote for another W & Scalias. themaguffin Feb 2016 #28
Some people have the luxury of not voting for Hillary in November (if that happens) randys1 Feb 2016 #29
this is the threat that the dem establishment trots out every election cycle.... mike_c Feb 2016 #36
that's a straw man argument. My post wasn't about how liberal the themaguffin Feb 2016 #38
I wonder if Hillary will get your message? thesquanderer Feb 2016 #32
I hope. I'm glad that you are onboard that both sides need to themaguffin Feb 2016 #33
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
9. Sanders is a DINO
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:03 PM
Feb 2016

Hell, he's currently raising money for an independent run for re-election to the Senate.

As soon as he drops out, he'll also drop out of the Democratic Party.

He is not now, never has been, and never will be a Democrat.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
37. Not true, since he is not now nor has he ever been a Democrat.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:09 PM
Feb 2016

Throughout his entire career he has had nothing but scorn for Democrats.

So there is no way he is anything like any Democrat ever.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
17. Attacks are a given.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:44 PM
Feb 2016

A candidate either learns from them, or doesn't, and might apply those lessons in the general.

This is so fundamental to modern American polutician that I'm surprised to hear these laments. None of the candidates is so brain dead as to have failed to plan for it.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
35. Not at all.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary opens herself to attack because she is nothing more than a standard issue, go-along-to-get-along, the status quo is just fine, triangulator whose views change like a, well, weathervane.

She would certainly be better in the White House than any of the GOPukes but mostly for her pals and cronies on Wall Street. Anyone who thinks its okay to let bygones be bygones when it come to Henry Kissinger isn't my candidate, no matter where she falls out on some imaginary metric. A warhawk who thinks we DO NOT support Israel and Netayanhu (sp) strongly enough? A politician who had many, many months to examine Bush/Cheney's lies about Iraq but didn't have the guts to vote against them? Someone Madelaine Albright supports? The same Madelaine Albright who said 50,000 dead Iraqi children was an acceptable price for sending Saddam a message?

And a candidate perfectly fine with sending thousands of refugee children back home to face near certain death to send a message that we are no longer in the business of welcoming the "tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free..." and alive. A candidate that asks her supporters to send in $1 contributions so the average amount per donation will camouflage the millions she has been given by her pals in Wall Street and the major banks. A candidate that took in over 600 grand for three speeches from Goldman Sachs and put the money in her pocket. A candidate that refuses to release transcripts of those talks despite being asked for them on national television.

An inevitable candidate on her way to coronation who somehow managed to overcome her vast leads in the campaign to win in a caucus and get trampled in a primary. The favored candidate of the actual establishment, including the complicit media that established a virtual gag-and-blindfold when it came to covering her opponents.

A candidate that even stands a reasonable chance of being beaten by a 74 year old Brooklyn Jew from Burlington despite her being endorsed by almost everyone with a (D) after their names.

A 74 year old Brooklyn Jew. Go figure. Makes me wonder why she won't debate in New York, where she has her national headquarters, and Bill has his.

And so on and so forth, and so forth, and so forth, ad infinitum.

I don't want HRC to move left. I wouldn't believe something like that for a New York minute. What I want is for her to go away and spend more time with her grandkid. Oh, and she can take Bill and Chelsea with her.

And after all that I will still vote for her if she is our candidate. Even the status quo is better than whatever circle of hell any of the GOPukes would drag us into.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
15. When the Party fucks up as badly as it has, it deserves the criticism it gets.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:37 PM
Feb 2016

The Party needs to be held accountable for abandoning its principles.

Yavin4

(35,442 posts)
18. The party that reformed the health care system. Brought new regulations on Wall Street.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:46 PM
Feb 2016

Negotiated a climate change treaty. Negotiated a treaty with Iran re nukes. Opened up relations with Cuba. Ended the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy but maintained them for everyone else. Ended the ban on Gays and Lesbians in the military. Argued in favor of same sex marriage on the SCOTUS. Nominated and approved Justices Sotomayor and Elena Kagan.

Did all of this without ANY support from Republicans.

That's the party that deserves criticism????

If you think that Bernie can do better, then you're dreaming.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
27. Excellent post, and while I very much support Bernie in the primary, I agree with what you said
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016

and it is important for people to understand that Obama has accomplished miracles in the face of unprecedented hate and obstruction.

GOP declared war on America the day he was elected and we have survived because of him and his team.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
20. About four years to late for criticism. TODAY all 'complainers' do is carry water for republicans.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:56 PM
Feb 2016
 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
22. I for one have been criticizing the Party for longer than four years - I've hardly just started.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:01 PM
Feb 2016

And no, I don't carry water for Republicans so that lame excuse can be summarily ignored.

/bye.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
34. I apologize. I've read your posts & remember you're not one of the divisive 'water carriers'
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:34 PM
Feb 2016

our party has recently been subjected to.

Hopefully Ds will settle down after the primary & we can move forward to vote out many Republicans.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
14. Sorry, no.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:35 PM
Feb 2016

The Republican mess is what is always is, and they will not likely win the General against either Democratic candidate. However, the Democratic Party stands at a crossroads - will they choose to go back to being the party of the people, or will they continue the rightward march to claim the ground vacated by the reactionary GOP?

The Democratic primary is the real fight.

themaguffin

(3,826 posts)
19. You miss the point entirely
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:48 PM
Feb 2016


EVERY primary is a crossroads. Don't use that excuse to attack other candidates.

We HAVE to win in Novermber. Up and down the ticket. Period.

If you feel so strongly about a candidate that wouldn't vote for the other as a Democratic nominee, then
you are in the wrong forum.

themaguffin

(3,826 posts)
28. So if she is the nominee, you will vote for another W & Scalias.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:09 PM
Feb 2016


If so, find another forum that fits your priorities.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
29. Some people have the luxury of not voting for Hillary in November (if that happens)
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:11 PM
Feb 2016

because the immediate causes of racist fascism wont hit them, although the person you are arguing with is a POC as far as I know so I admit I am confused by that reaction.

But, I always say, a POC has had experiences I havent and I have no business ever judging their actions, no business at all.



Admittedly I get angry at white middle class males who have the "burn it to the ground" attitude about Bernie or bust.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
36. this is the threat that the dem establishment trots out every election cycle....
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:07 PM
Feb 2016

Progressives have heard this for generations. This election is too important to insist upon the liberal, progressive candidate. "This election" is always too important for liberals to do what is needed to move the party to the left and gain a progressive voice in national leadership. "This election" will only be won by supporting the centrist, establishment candidate whose "No, we can't" approach will kill any hint of real, alternative vision for the nation's future.

We really are at a crossroad. We cannot change the direction of this country's political leadership by being the party of "that would be nice, but no, we can't." One democratic party candidate stands for deep, systemic change that will benefit future generations, much as FDR did. The other democratic candidate is a wholly unacceptable throwback to politics as usual and oligarchy. No thank you.

themaguffin

(3,826 posts)
38. that's a straw man argument. My post wasn't about how liberal the
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:22 PM
Feb 2016

party should be or who to vote for.

My OP is quite clear.

And if any supporter here - of either candidate feels to deeply against the other candidate, that they wouldn't vote for them
and allow another W and more Scalias - well that is disturbing as it is unacceptable in a Democratic forum like this.

We can be passionate without tearing down.


People need to grow up.

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