2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDemocratic nominee will be 1 of 2 people. Support your candidate. Stop trashing the other
It's about november. It's about Democratic policies vs Regressive neo-Confederate assholes who want more Scalias.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Some of us like the drama, so quit with this BS.
LW1977
(1,235 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Hell, he's currently raising money for an independent run for re-election to the Senate.
As soon as he drops out, he'll also drop out of the Democratic Party.
He is not now, never has been, and never will be a Democrat.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Jackilope
(819 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Throughout his entire career he has had nothing but scorn for Democrats.
So there is no way he is anything like any Democrat ever.
Jackilope
(819 posts)Into the GOP Lite it is now.
Cheers.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)So, no, thanks.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Nothing said here won't be said in the general.
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Let's prep with some mild intramurals.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)She needs to be toughen up a bit.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)A candidate either learns from them, or doesn't, and might apply those lessons in the general.
This is so fundamental to modern American polutician that I'm surprised to hear these laments. None of the candidates is so brain dead as to have failed to plan for it.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Hillary opens herself to attack because she is nothing more than a standard issue, go-along-to-get-along, the status quo is just fine, triangulator whose views change like a, well, weathervane.
She would certainly be better in the White House than any of the GOPukes but mostly for her pals and cronies on Wall Street. Anyone who thinks its okay to let bygones be bygones when it come to Henry Kissinger isn't my candidate, no matter where she falls out on some imaginary metric. A warhawk who thinks we DO NOT support Israel and Netayanhu (sp) strongly enough? A politician who had many, many months to examine Bush/Cheney's lies about Iraq but didn't have the guts to vote against them? Someone Madelaine Albright supports? The same Madelaine Albright who said 50,000 dead Iraqi children was an acceptable price for sending Saddam a message?
And a candidate perfectly fine with sending thousands of refugee children back home to face near certain death to send a message that we are no longer in the business of welcoming the "tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free..." and alive. A candidate that asks her supporters to send in $1 contributions so the average amount per donation will camouflage the millions she has been given by her pals in Wall Street and the major banks. A candidate that took in over 600 grand for three speeches from Goldman Sachs and put the money in her pocket. A candidate that refuses to release transcripts of those talks despite being asked for them on national television.
An inevitable candidate on her way to coronation who somehow managed to overcome her vast leads in the campaign to win in a caucus and get trampled in a primary. The favored candidate of the actual establishment, including the complicit media that established a virtual gag-and-blindfold when it came to covering her opponents.
A candidate that even stands a reasonable chance of being beaten by a 74 year old Brooklyn Jew from Burlington despite her being endorsed by almost everyone with a (D) after their names.
A 74 year old Brooklyn Jew. Go figure. Makes me wonder why she won't debate in New York, where she has her national headquarters, and Bill has his.
And so on and so forth, and so forth, and so forth, ad infinitum.
I don't want HRC to move left. I wouldn't believe something like that for a New York minute. What I want is for her to go away and spend more time with her grandkid. Oh, and she can take Bill and Chelsea with her.
And after all that I will still vote for her if she is our candidate. Even the status quo is better than whatever circle of hell any of the GOPukes would drag us into.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)The Party needs to be held accountable for abandoning its principles.
Yavin4
(35,442 posts)Negotiated a climate change treaty. Negotiated a treaty with Iran re nukes. Opened up relations with Cuba. Ended the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy but maintained them for everyone else. Ended the ban on Gays and Lesbians in the military. Argued in favor of same sex marriage on the SCOTUS. Nominated and approved Justices Sotomayor and Elena Kagan.
Did all of this without ANY support from Republicans.
That's the party that deserves criticism????
If you think that Bernie can do better, then you're dreaming.
randys1
(16,286 posts)and it is important for people to understand that Obama has accomplished miracles in the face of unprecedented hate and obstruction.
GOP declared war on America the day he was elected and we have survived because of him and his team.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)And no, I don't carry water for Republicans so that lame excuse can be summarily ignored.
/bye.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)our party has recently been subjected to.
Hopefully Ds will settle down after the primary & we can move forward to vote out many Republicans.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)The Republican mess is what is always is, and they will not likely win the General against either Democratic candidate. However, the Democratic Party stands at a crossroads - will they choose to go back to being the party of the people, or will they continue the rightward march to claim the ground vacated by the reactionary GOP?
The Democratic primary is the real fight.
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)EVERY primary is a crossroads. Don't use that excuse to attack other candidates.
We HAVE to win in Novermber. Up and down the ticket. Period.
If you feel so strongly about a candidate that wouldn't vote for the other as a Democratic nominee, then
you are in the wrong forum.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)themaguffin
(3,826 posts)you still can't see it.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Fuck that.
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)Fuck that indeed.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)/bye.
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)If so, find another forum that fits your priorities.
randys1
(16,286 posts)because the immediate causes of racist fascism wont hit them, although the person you are arguing with is a POC as far as I know so I admit I am confused by that reaction.
But, I always say, a POC has had experiences I havent and I have no business ever judging their actions, no business at all.
Admittedly I get angry at white middle class males who have the "burn it to the ground" attitude about Bernie or bust.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Progressives have heard this for generations. This election is too important to insist upon the liberal, progressive candidate. "This election" is always too important for liberals to do what is needed to move the party to the left and gain a progressive voice in national leadership. "This election" will only be won by supporting the centrist, establishment candidate whose "No, we can't" approach will kill any hint of real, alternative vision for the nation's future.
We really are at a crossroad. We cannot change the direction of this country's political leadership by being the party of "that would be nice, but no, we can't." One democratic party candidate stands for deep, systemic change that will benefit future generations, much as FDR did. The other democratic candidate is a wholly unacceptable throwback to politics as usual and oligarchy. No thank you.
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)party should be or who to vote for.
My OP is quite clear.
And if any supporter here - of either candidate feels to deeply against the other candidate, that they wouldn't vote for them
and allow another W and more Scalias - well that is disturbing as it is unacceptable in a Democratic forum like this.
We can be passionate without tearing down.
People need to grow up.
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)Here's her new ad...
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)take it down a few notches.