2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI see the Repubs are now accusing Hillary (and, Obama) of aligning with Saul Alinsky's beliefs...
Can his beliefs be far removed from Ayn Rand's beliefs? I don't know that much about either.
I know Hillary wrote a thesis on Alinsky, but would like more information on this so-called admiration from Hillary. Was the thesis written with the innocence of youth? I don't see either Obama or Hillary following what little I've seen of Alinsky's ideas, but maybe I'm wrong. You can generalize most anything if you work at it.
I noticed the article (link below) has hit Facebook and a couple acquaintances have favored the article. I feel a lot of minds can be changed from beliefs of that many years removed. Shoot, I change my mind many times/year. Help me out, please.
http://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/01/02/beware-the-useful-idiots/
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Sadly, I've seen the same shit from some DUers recently.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)modus of operandi. So, since these two seem to accept that method of running the country, being the proud Republicans they are, they should be admiring Hillary as a good selection for POTUS, if she actually believes in that crap. Right?
"Ain't no one gonna eat until my belly is full!"
My head spins at their hypocrisy.
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)Alinsky has in common with
Ayn Rand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky
In the course of nearly four decades of political organizing, Alinsky received much criticism, but also gained praise from many public figures. His organizing skills were focused on improving the living conditions of poor communities across North America. In the 1950s, he began turning his attention to improving conditions in the African-American ghettos, beginning with Chicago's and later traveling to other ghettos in California, Michigan, New York City, and a dozen other "trouble spots".
His ideas were adapted in the 1960s by some U.S. college students and other young counterculture-era organizers, who used them as part of their strategies for organizing on campus and beyond. Time magazine once wrote that "American democracy is being altered by Alinsky's ideas," and conservative author William F. Buckley said he was "very close to being an organizational genius,"
It sounds more like a compliment to me.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)He was basically manipulating the poor to control them. That's why I was so surprised that Hillary would use him for a thesis, even if she was a Republican at that time (not sure).
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)about him other than was posted in Wiki.
But both Hillary and Prez O both have likely focused more on his ideas relating to community organization and political activism. Remember that we didn't have the ready access to current information at the time that Hillary would have been writing her thesis and the manipulation that you speak of may not have been well documented at the time.
I still find it amazing that we existed for so long without the internet.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Since when have Republicans ever been honest about anything or anyone?
Hillary's thesis is actually open for anyone to read. You can bet if there was some kind of nugget the Republicans could draw from it, it would have been used against her in the 2008 campaign. An investigative reporter from MSNBC went to Wellsley College in 2007, read the thesis and reported about it.
If anything, it would be Democrats who wouldn't like what she wrote.
Here's a snip of this excellent article:
A decade later, another political science major started out on the path that Hillary Rodham had rejected, going to work for a group in the Alinsky mold. That was Barack Obama, now a U.S. senator from Illinois and her leading opponent for the Democratic nomination. After attending Columbia University, he worked as an organizer on the South Side of Chicago for the Developing Communities Project. Obama and others of the post-Alinsky generation described their work in the 1990 book After Alinsky: Community Organizing in Illinois, in which Obama wrote that he longed for ways to close the gap between community organizing and national politics. After three years of organizing, he turned to Harvard Law School and then the Illinois legislature.
Clinton's friendly biographers, without being able to read the thesis in the 1990s, have downplayed the Alinsky connection. Judith Warner's "Hillary Clinton: The Inside Story" managed to describe the thesis without once mentioning Alinsky, whose name appears on every page. Gail Sheehy's "Hillary's Choice" gave the thesis a benign new title, Aspect of the War on Poverty, describing it as merely an examination of federal anti-poverty programs in Chicago.
In a 1993 interview with The Washington Post, about the time the Clinton health care plan was being formulated and the thesis was being sealed, the first lady characterized her college writing as an argument against big government, supporting Alinsky's criticism of the War on Poverty programs. I basically argued that he was right, she told the newspaper. Even at that early stage I was against all these people who come up with these big government programs that were more supportive of bureaucracies than actually helpful to people. You know, I've been on this kick for 25 years.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17388372/ns/politics-decision_08/t/reading-hillary-rodhams-hidden-thesis/
Being a liberal, I disagree with her assertion that the War on Poverty programs are more supportive of bureaucracies than actually being helpful to people. Having worked for Head Start for years, I can personally attest to how helpful and valuable it remains to this day, as a means to conquer poverty. A Head Start mother who is a dear friend of mine to this day, attributes her success now as a doctor of Psychology, to the Head Start program and the support she received while there. A good support system is a must for anyone trying to work their way out of poverty.