2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary's & the DNC's Greatest Fear: Hillary's Indictment
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FBI Director James Comey will soon push for her indictment, whereupon U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch will either prosecute her or quash the recommendation.
Prominent analysts, including former Attorney General Michael Mukasey, former U. S. Attorney Joseph di Genova, and others, claim evidence the Bureau has on her is irrefutable and damning.
If so, then not indicting Hillary could annihilate the trust that Americans must have in their government, rattle Democrats who fear their nominee being seen as having gotten special treatment and enable a GOP victory.
Violating federal law, jeopardizing national security, deceiving the FBI, lying under oath and working with major donors to the Clinton Foundation are among her legal troubles.
Comey is a fearless, apolitical straight arrow with unassailable integrity. As the deputy U.S. attorney general in the Bush administration, he threatened to resign and go public against his fellow Republicans over his concerns regarding warrantless wiretaps. Comey prevailed and earned tremendous bipartisan respect.
Hillary committed numerous crimes involving improper, negligent and illegal handling of classified information, according to former Deputy assistant Attorney General Victoria Toensing.
Toensing also says that State Department projects which transpired when Hillary was secretary of state improperly coincided with Clinton Foundation revenue from parties of interest, which she claims justifies felony corruption charges. Over 20 of these emails are so sensitive that the State Department wont even release them.
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If she is indicted after being nominated and wants to tough it out, the Democratic National Committee could still replace her. But by then, Hillary may have far bigger worries.
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http://globegazette.com/news/opinion/columns/blodgett-hillary-s-greatest-fear-chance-of-indictment/article_cd4ffe17-bf95-5853-996d-bcdca2870788.html
Washington (CNN)President Barack Obama's former top military intelligence official said Hillary Clinton should pull out of the presidential race while the FBI investigate her use of a private email server for official government communication while secretary of state.
Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the retired chief of the Defense Intelligence Agency, made the call in an interview with Jake Tapper on "The Lead."
"If it were me, I would have been out the door and probably in jail," said Flynn, who decried what he said was a "lack of accountability, frankly, in a person who should have been much more responsible in her actions as the secretary of state of the United States of America."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/12/politics/hillary-clinton-michael-flynn-email-fbi-investigation/index.html
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Mike Nelson
(9,959 posts)FOX "News".
amborin
(16,631 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)By "regular," I mean that its more beholding to its community than to the right or the left.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Todd Blodgett and Toensing.
While I'm inclined to believe there was a lot of corruption involved in those Clinton Foundation deals, I'd like to have better sourcing than those two.
shraby
(21,946 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)^snip^
Clinton has the lowest rating for honesty as American voters say 60 - 36 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)this shit and if there is smoke they will prosecute it. No one is above the law and if they did wrong they deserve it. I don't believe she will be the nominee and I hope that if it has to come, it comes sooner rather than later.
shraby
(21,946 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Like if they don't report on it, it isn't really happening.
Trust me, something IS happening. Whether what these folk believe is happening is true or not is one thing, but sticking our collective heads in the sand isn't helping.
The M$M needs to start reporting on this. Even if you're a Hillary supporter, and I'm definitely not, it should concern you if she'll be tainted with a nasty investigation in which the FBI starts fighting with Justice to get an indictment. That won't look good to the American voter.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)I want Bernie to get the nomination, but worse than him losing would be Hillary being indicted after Hillary has enough delegates to sew up the nomination or after the convention. That could possibly foist a President Trump or Cruz on America... It pains me just to type that...
John Poet
(2,510 posts)If the FBI even recommends indictment, that is THE END of any hope for Hillary winning a general election. If she's the nominee under those circumstances, she WILL LOSE.
The Democratic party should not be taking such a chance on her.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Straight up GOP hit piece.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)security clearances that if they did this, they would have already been charged and prosecuted.
I'm wondering, too, what the FBI is looking at regarding the Clinton Foundation. That's probably bigger than being utterly stupid about securing a computer server.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)If I had mishandled any classified material, I would have been punished swiftly and judiciously. If I had mishandled top secret material to the point where it could have fallen into the hands of someone not cleared or, at worst, an enemy of the state, I'd have spent a very long time in a prison cell.
If there was classified material on her server, she should have been swiftly punished. But, as we saw in the case of David Petraeus, security doesn't matter if you are one of the gang.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)so that no classified or sensitive information can be accidentally viewed by the average person in my company (i.e. those of us not holding security clearances).
From what I've read regarding her server, anyone with Internet access and a basic background in hacking techniques could have gotten in there and found all sorts of classified and/or sensitive information.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)The last facility at which I worked had a badge checkpoint and an additional 3 places to swipe my badge, with pin number, just to get to work. This unsecured server was probably locked in a simple office from the sound of it and was connected to networks where it was hackable.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)it was indeed hacked.
For crying out loud the Government has had secured servers hacked, I'm sure a non-secured server was an open door for Russia, China, Iran, and anyone else with the desire to uncover secure US Intel and the means to access it.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)You can almost be assured it was hacked. The security necessary just was not in place.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Not to mention a prominent political figure. They are probably delaying it as much as possible, though the Obama Administration is not like the Bush Administration and likely won't resort to going above the law to further delay it.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)She will not be charged. The Obama administration is not going to take the hit of having one of their former Secretaries of State charged for a crime. Odds are we will only find out that charges were indeed pushed by the FBI if there is a future leak. She falls under a separate set of rules from the rest of us.
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)Investigators with the State Department issued a subpoena to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation last fall seeking documents about the charitys projects that may have required approval from the federal government during Hillary Clintons term as secretary of state, according to people familiar with the subpoena and written correspondence about it.
The subpoena also asked for records related to Huma Abedin, a longtime Clinton aide who for six months in 2012 was employed simultaneously by the State Department, the foundation, Clintons personal office, and a private consulting firm with ties to the Clintons.
I knew about about Huma's records. I didn't know the IG at the State Department had started looking at the Clinton Foundation for projects that might have had links to the state department under Hillary.
The IG is overwhelmed as it is. 30,000 deleted emails to go through. Plus this. So they can take their time. It may take them a long time to get through all of this.
That's why the House hasn't gone at this. It's already under investigation.
That's a pretty significant development because it curtails what the media can find out. The next question is "can they drag their feet until after November ? ... that might be what they're trying to do here.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I was referring to this article.
The FBI sent the subpoena in the fall, but I don't think that leaked out until earlier this year.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)2008 Hillary, yes, 2016 Hillary... no.
Vote Bernie!
bornskeptic
(1,330 posts)Todd Blodgett served on the White House staff of President Ronald Reagan and was a domestic policy advisers on the 1988 presidential campaign of George H.W. Bush. He also worked for the Republican National Committee and the FBI. He lives in Tyler, Texas, and in Clear Lake.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,627 posts)I don't believe she will be indicted. Of course, the republicans are salivating over their fantasy that this will happen, but I don't believe it.
amborin
(16,631 posts)kenn3d
(486 posts)...but this author has some very unsavory connections...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Blodgett
Caveat Emptor I think
nolabels
(13,133 posts)and make double sure no real tangible issues are covered. Somehow, for some reason, that does sound familiar though
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)I was beginning to wonder what website I'd happened on. Is this really DU?
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)You have the right to believe what you want.
I believe that I have no idea how this will shake out.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)So yeah, they are salivating, but not gonna happen. Why it was posted here is another question.....
JudyM
(29,251 posts)How unbelievably stupid if this brilliant woman acted in such a way to warrant federal corruption charges.
If true, we can attribute her fall to having such narrow psychological framing that the almighty dollar and thirst for more power defined the course of her decisionmaking.
And it's 2 women who will be prosecuting it.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Thanks for sharing what they are saying. Complete right wing bullshit. They have to count on things like this. They have nothing else.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)working on this. if there was no,legal there there, it would have come out in time to not put any taint on the primaries.
the fsct that there is even talk of indictment is a problem for someone running for pres.
they need to either indict or exonerate. we need to know how to move forward.
and anyone who even thinks biden will stick himself in this mess, well i have this nice wooded parcel,......
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)She shares 90% of their policies - neoliberal economics and neocon foreign policy. Wall Street made it abundantly clear they would be equally comfortable with either Herself or Jebthro; it was said months ago.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I really do.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The fringes may be different. The bolt of cloth is the same.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)but has our party ever had a nominee, whose
actions led to an FBI investigation?
That in itself is a clear problem, which all
of us have to consider, because it would be
a serious issue in the GE campaign.
Perceptions matter a great deal!
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Long before he was discussed nationally. This guy is not a non-partisan OpEd manager.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)and, rightly, found that a single guy standing near a polling station wielding an off-the-shelf police baton does not indict an entire organization. An investigation is not a presumption of guilt, last I checked. We're not Putin's Russia here.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Straight up GOP hit piece designed to torpedo the probably nominee in a swing state. And people here can't rec this post up fast enough Total bullshit.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)You're done. He has no integrity. Zero.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)I hate to think I would say this but we are tired of these damn emails.
This may be a problem or an example of poor judgemtn but trying to turn it into misfeasance or even criminality is bizarre.
Lots of people mocked HRC for complaining about a vast, right wing conspiracy BUT she is totally on the mark. These people are out to get her, largely because of her political skills and also because she helped that white trash redneck guy since they married.
There is lots to criticize HRC for. I, like many others, have never hesitated to point out what I find lacking in her (I'm fairly confident she didn't lose any sleep over that) but this sort of crap should be labeled for what it is. Right wing crap and we, HRC and Sanders people alike, should be the first to label it as such.
Just saying...
vdogg
(1,384 posts)At least when they post right wing hit pieces they're up front about it and don't try to disguise it as "concern".
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Pretty bad dropping such a right wing opinion hit piece on DU like that.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)shows that she will not be indicted. imo
Faux pas
(14,681 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)More right wing opinion columnists on DU.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)the writer..
Todd Blodgett has worked with notable American far-right figures such as Dr. William Pierce, David Duke, Don Black, Dr. Ed Fields, Paul Hall, Jr., Chris Temple, Richard Butler, and the late Willis Carto.[4][4][7][8] Center He also worked with and employed Mark Cotterill, a British neo-fascist who founded the American Friends of the British National Party (BNP), and other European racists, including John Tyndall, Nick Griffin, Richard Barnbrook, and Steven Cartwright. From March, 2000, through November, 2002, Mr. Blodgett was retained by the Federal Bureau of Investigation to supply information concerning organizations and individuals affiliated with the racist Far right. He regularly met with and reported to FBI and JTTF (the Joint Terrorism Task Force) agents and other officials, after attending gatherings hosted by Holocaust Deniers and White Supremacist groups, which featured racist, far-right extremists who were of interest to American anti-terrorism law enforcement officials and agencies
I'm not impressed. Before you ask, yes it makes a difference. If someone posted an article slamming the shit out of Bernie with that resume, all hell would break loose. Rightfully so.
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)This isn't the only place where you've used obvious RW talking points against Hillary. If you want to go after her from the left, feel free, but RW attacks don't belong at a Democratic Underground.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Unless the Repigs are crazy enough to let Cruz win the nomination.
And she will lose. BIG - Hindenburg style, taking the party down with her in flames - even if she is NOT indicted. She completely alienates the left/liberal base, has zero appeal to independents, and is good for at least 1-3 million additional votes for the Repigs nationally because they will do everything but come out of the grave to vote against her.
If she IS indicted before the election she won't get 35% of the national vote and the bloodbath would probably doom the Democratic Party. The corporatists in both parties would be most pleased with that result.
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)It's up to us.... The crap will fly either way...
Beowulf
(761 posts)No, I don't approve.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Why do I care what Ronald Reagan's staff operative thinks about anything? And why do I have to read GOP hit pieces on a "progressive" website?
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Where up is down, white is black, and Sanders trailing distantly in 10 of 12 Super Tuesday primaries doesn't matter when you can just trot out a handful of trendy "Bern" slogans.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)RW crap like this here
I can deal with the "bern" slogans and even the poorly written and fact free rhetorical romps. It is the silly season, after all. But RW hit pieces on posted as serious commentary cross a line.
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