Is this primary a repeat of Howard Dean vs. John Kerry in 2004?

[Eric J in MN]

Howard Dean, Vermont politician who opposed the Iraq War before it started.

John Kerry, who voted for the Iraq War.

Democratic primary voters decided Kerry was more electable because he was more centrist and had more foreign policy experience. But he didn't win the general election.

[Warren Stupidity]

1. Dean never won a primary.

[Eric J in MN]

8. Except Vermont. NT

NT

[Warren Stupidity]

10. Yeah he won Vermont.

He was however done after NH.

[olddots]

2. in a word no

N.T.

[FBaggins]

3. Nope

Dean didn't have Bernie's record... and Clinton doesn't have Kerry's credibility or image.

[Eric J in MN]

4. We know John Kerry is an honest person, but Republicans won with TV ads

...from the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth saying "John Kerry lied" because he supposedly didn't get injured enough in Vietnam to deserve his medals.

[FBaggins]

5. There's still a difference

Democrats were only energized by the swift boat stuff. It only hurt him with Republicans and some moderates.

With Clinton, there are Democrats who are already turned off by her character... before the Republican smear machine even ramps up.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

6. I think people thought it would be.

But folks have been trying to 'Dean scream' Bernie out of the race and failing miserably.

[PonyUp]

7. Exactly. n/t

[Armstead]

9. Yep. They're desperately hoping Bernie loses it and throws a temper tantrum or something.

Problem is, people appreciate Bernie's version of the "Dean Scream" because he's using it to tell the truth,.

[Corey_Baker08]

11. And Yet Even Howard Dean Has Endorsed Hillary!

To Your Point About Kerry Not Winning The General Election, Remember America Was In The Midst Of Two Wars & Historically Speaking Rarely Has The Country Voted Out The Commander in Chief,Who Happened To Be The Architect Of Those Wars, During A War.

Besides Hillary Or Bernie Will Not Be Campaigning Against Bush Who Like It Or Not Energized The Republican Party To Its Core...

The Donald Will Not Be Hard To Beat In A General Election. He Is Terrible At Debating. He Basically. Took The Sarah Palin Crash Course In Politics & He Has Alienated The Republican Party, So Don't Worry About Hillary Losing The General Election...

[cali]

16. Huh? Even Howard? As a Vermonter, I can tell you conclusively

that Howard was considered a centrist. Actually, this being Vermont, he was seen as center right. His fights with the more liberal legislature were... colorful.

[JI7]

12. howard dean was the centrist

[Eric J in MN]

14. How is John Kerry to the left of Howard Dean? NT

NT

[JI7]

17. dean is critical of iran deal . deans record is one of centrism

That's why sanders did not support him and why he is supporting Clinton.

[H2O Man]

13. No

[uponit7771]

15. no

[KingFlorez]

18. Not quite the same, but similar

Dean didn't win a primary. I do expect Sanders to come up short in the end, though.

[Attorney in Texas]

19. Kerry had better trustworthiness and likability polling numbers than Clinton; Sanders exceeds Dean

by every measure (supporters, fund-raising, experience, consistency of platform, success at the ballot box, etc.).

The only commonality is that Clinton/Kerry would/did not inspire much enthusiasm and would/did lose in the general election.