Trolling For A Pretend Revolution

[bigtree]

The Unbearable Dullness Of Hillary Trolling
by Peter Daou


As one of Hillary’s staunchest advocates (former adviser, HillaryMen co-founder, and BNR editor) I’ve spent the past year deep in the muck with hardcore Hillary bashers. I’ve wallowed in endless anti-Hillary memes and batted back thousands of mindless personal insults. I’ve waded through interminable threads overflowing with tedious talking points: Shillary, Wall Street sell-out, warmonger, liar, and on and on and on ad nauseum.

At this point I can’t find enough words in the English language to describe how banal I find this Hillary hate. There is so little actual thought behind it, so little logic, so little factual basis. It’s just about joining the herd.

During my decade in the entertainment business, I had the privilege of working on tracks by pioneering artists like Bjork and Miles Davis. What I learned is that you’re never more out than when you’re trying to be in. The legends never follow trends, they defy them.

Hillary trolling is the quintessential example of trying too hard to be cool. It’s so last century. Scripted Hillary hate is a relic of old GOP dirty tricks from the nineties, brought back to life in the digital age and converted into a pretend revolution.

And it’s excruciatingly unoriginal.


read: http://bluenationreview.com/unbearable-dullness-of-hillary-trolling/

[polly7]

1. Revolution!

(I love seeing 'revolution' mocked, gives me a chance to post this).

[bigtree]

5. so you support any and all revolutions?

...Reagan's 'revolution?'

[polly7]

9. No.

Just revolutions that allow the people to reclaim their rights - including the ability to feed their families, have decent wages, get health-care, not be discriminated against by a justice system to private for-profit prisons that destroys lives, families and futures, no wars that harm millions .... the right for people to live in dignity and not watch those most vulnerable suffer while those at the top continue to get richer and richer off the backs of the poor and middle class. Is that a problem?

[BlueCaliDem]

19. If those are your issues, you're supporting the WRONG candidate.

But...REVOLUSHUN!

[polly7]

23. You are wrong.

I'm Canadian so don't actually support candidates, I support the people who do. I want my family and friends in the U.S. to have what they deserve - everyone there, actually, as well as all those outside the U.S. who have been hurt so much by disastrous decisions.

Yes, being able to galvanize the kind of support Sanders has without Big Money and Corporate backers is revolutionary. Seeing millions/billions? of dollars given to candidates running for office seems to me like a sort of corporate protection racket more than genuinely wanting to understand and try to grant the wishes and needs of the people of their own country. It amazes me.

[BlueCaliDem]

29. So...as a Canadian, do you know how our system of gov't works, yes?

Because if you don't, that would explain your erroneous thinking that Bernie is somehow able to get anything you've noted in your post into law. He won't. But he'll be able to retire after one term with a lifetime payout that's more than what he's making now as a senator, so it's all good for Bernie. Not so much for your friends and family in the U.S.

Also, did you know he's running for re-election as an Independent in Vermont (for 2018), not a Democrat?

And that supporting Sanders without big money is bunk. The FEC has chastened the Sanders campaign for accepting donations from single donors that exceed the $2700 rule. One gave $5000 dollars, another gave almost $10 grand in a single day. And that's just a couple of examples back in 2015. So spare me the "of the people man" you're trying to tout. I, for one, am not destitute, but I wouldn't be able to donate $5 grand to any candidate even if it were allowed.

It's also understandable that you, as a Canadian, don't understand that we're not a socialist society. We're a social democracy: a system that's part capitalist and part socialist. It's been that way since the dawn of this country and it ain't gonna change.

[polly7]

33. We are also a capitalist/socialist society.

I've never even imagined the U.S. as a socialist society - where did you pull that from?

'We can't!', 'it's impossible!' - ummm, do you say that for everything in your life that looks difficult? I hope not. Tommy Douglas up here fought all the same things Sanders is - his family even got death threats. Single payer didn't happen overnight - but it did pass, and eventually spread throughout the country. He fought hate within the gov't, by doctors and many others who couldn't believe such a thing was possible. The thing is - people here in Saskatchewan were hit hardest by the great depression and were suffering badly - he saw it - he dedicated himself to helping us (my grandfather's generation - he actually met him in Weyburn!).

Sanders genuinely sees much of the same suffering, caused by many reasons, and has given up those years in which he could be relaxing after a lifetime of hard work and sacrifice fighting for change. He's gotten millions of followers. People aren't stupid.

And yes, I know everything you've just stated ............. a lot of it's been proven as bunk.

[BlueCaliDem]

42. I know. I was wondering if *you* did.

I never said you did.

No. I'm a progressive, not an ideologue. I believe the same thing President Obama and SoS Clinton believe: don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.

I understand what can be realistically accomplished in this country, and nothing Bernie's put forward is going to happen UNLESS he'll campaign for like-minded Liberals to replace the Dems in Congress and a few Republicans as well. He hasn't done a single thing in that regard.

Single-payer took THIRTY YEARS in Canada to be implemented. Did you want your friends and family in the U.S. to wait THIRTY YEARS for health care? I wouldn't.

And yes, I know everything you've just stated ............. a lot of it's been proven as bunk.

So now the FEC is "bunk"? Oh dear.

The FEC has cited the Sanders campaign for receiving EXCESSIVE donations, far above the FEC limits.

Bernie2016, the fundraising machine of the Bernie Sanders campaign, has been cited for campaign finance violations that include over $23 million in unitemized contributions in a recent letter from the Federal Election Commission (FEC).

**snip**

A deeper look into the FEC letter reveals individual contributions far exceeding the $27 average donation often boasted by Sanders. Contributions for $1000, $2000 and even $5000 are often listed. One contributor donated up to 5o times on a single day, apparently hoping to outwit campaign finance regulations. Bill Maher, talk show host and political commentator, is also listed for his $5400 contribution to Bernie2016.

The FEC letter lists 162 prohibited donations from individuals identified as foreign nationals. A crosscheck with another campaign tracking site reveals that several donations came from people who previously donated to Rand Paul.
https://gobling.wordpress.com/2016/02/13/fec-hits-bernie2016-with-campaign-finance-violations/

Sorry. Never been a Rand Paul fan and never will be. I am, after all, a Democrat. You?

[polly7]

46. Yeah .......... bunk.

His political successes as Premier of Saskatchewan enabled him to introduce provincial hospital insurance in 1947 and led to the 1962 introduction of medicare in Saskatchewan by his successor, Woodrow Lloyd. In a 1958 interview, Douglas said: “I’m sure that the standard of public morality we’ve helped build will force government in Canada to approve complete health insurance.” By 1972, Douglas’s conviction that no one’s health should depend on wealth was translated into a national policy, as medicare became a reality in Canada.

http://www.historymuseum.ca/cmc/exhibitions/hist/medicare/medic-3g03e.shtml

http://www.weyburnreview.com/community/tommy-douglas


Remaking Saskatchewan

As the Great Depression tightened its grip on the country, communities like Weyburn suffered tremendously. Tommy Douglas knew that his relief efforts – while important – couldn’t provide a lasting answer to the difficulties families were facing. He buried two young men who died because they couldn’t afford medical care, which only strengthened his belief that he could do more as a politician than from the pulpit.

On June 15, 1944, the CCF – which had never held power in the province – swept to victory under Tommy’s leadership, winning 47 of 53 seats. Saskatchewan had just elected the first social democratic government in North America – and Tommy Douglas began the first of five terms as the province’s Premier.

He faced powerful, wealthy opposition, yet Tommy’s government passed more than 100 bills during that first term. Just two years into their mandate, the CCF had eliminated the sales tax on food and meals and reduced the provincial debt by $20 million. While his opponents tried to tar him as a Communist and radical, the CCF under Tommy Douglas paved roads and brought electrical power (and the modern age) to the family farms of Saskatchewan. They improved health care, increased education spending and expanded the University of Saskatchewan to include a medical college.

Pensioners gained free medical, hospital and dental services; everyone gained free treatment for diseases like cancer, tuberculosis and mental illness. In 1947, Saskatchewan introduced universal access to hospitals for an annual fee of five dollars per person.

The CCF created new government departments such as Labour, Social Welfare and Co-operatives. The cabinet took a 28-per-cent pay cut to help pay the costs. A Crown Corporation Act allowed the creation of provincial air and bus lines; marketing boards for natural resources helped those industries grow and benefit rural communities. And SaskTel offered affordable phone service across Saskatchewan.

But it was Saskatchewan Power that had the biggest impact. In 20 years, the Crown corporation increased the number of rural homes hooked up to electrical power from only 300 to 65,000.

Meanwhile, the CCF improved working conditions, raised the minimum wage, established mandatory holidays, set workers’ compensation standards and set the stage for collective bargaining with the Trade Union Act and the creation of a labour relations board. Over four years, union membership more than doubled.

In just over a decade, the CCF administration – by encouraging economic diversification such as potash mining, steel production and petroleum exploration – oversaw the transformation of the province’s economy. Only one out of every five dollars of wealth created in Saskatchewan in 1944 came from somewhere other than agriculture; that proportion more than tripled by 1957.

But Tommy Douglas and his CCF team were also cautious financial managers. While Tommy wanted passionately to make medical care available to all, it wasn’t until 1959 that he decided Saskatchewan’s finances were healthy enough to sustain it.

He announced a plan that would cover every person in Saskatchewan, offering pre-paid, publicly-administered, high-quality health care. At the time, many doctors and their allies decried his medicare plan as dictatorial and vowed never to accept it; by the mid-1960s, it was such a success that Canada adopted it nationwide.

But by the time medicare was enacted in Saskatchewan in 1962, Tommy Douglas had stepped down as Premier. He wanted to take the success he’d had leading the province to a whole new level.

https://sites.google.com/site/tommydouglaswebpage/about-tommy-douglas

wtf are you talking about - Rand Paul??

[Vincardog]

37. Bernie does not claim to be able to do anything by himself. He will LEAD the MASSES to make things

The congress do the will of the people. If you think Bernie is running for president in order to collect on the retirement,
you are just plain delusional.

Please provide links to any assertions about improprieties in Bernie's fund raising. I will not take your word for it.

It is nice you realize we are " We're a social democracy" As Bernie is a social democracy in the best sense.

[BlueCaliDem]

44. He's a follower, not a leader. Sorry, but I'll go by his 25+ year track record rather than his

fiery rhetoric.

Although I know you're attempting a "sealioning" here - since I have NO illusions you actually care about facts and just want to be contrary - I've already posted the link in another post.

It appears that good ol' Bernie's collected over $23 million dollars in unitemized donations far exceeding the limits set by the FEC and he's therefore cited for it. And it appears that plenty of those 162 donors are FOREIGN NATIONALS. I wonder what their motivation is since, as Bernie said, if they give you tons of money, they're gonna want something back. What is it that they want back?

It is nice you realize we are " We're a social democracy" As Bernie is a social democracy in the best sense.

WRONG. He consistently says he's a Democratic Socialist, which just means, he's a SOCIALIST. They just added the "democratic" to the word to make them more warm and fuzzy to the masses. Sorry, but this isn't a socialistic country. It's a social democracy.

[Vincardog]

55. He's a Democratic Socialist like FDR was and like am I will not be scared of a word. Judging Bernie

by his record is an excellent thing. He enjoys a 80% approval rating in his home state. That is a bad thing right?
If your claim about millions in illegal foreign contributions had any validity it would be front page news 24/7 on the corporate newz.

[beam me up scottie]

24. polly is anti-war, she could never support Clinton.

[polly7]

27. You are right, bmus. I could never support anyone anywhere who believes they have a

right to destroy lives in needless war.

[roguevalley]

35. come sit by me, Polly.

[polly7]

38. Aw .... scoot over, I'd be happy to.

[bigtree]

21. that sounds like the Hillary Clinton platform

...you won't find one of her supporters who disagrees with any of that.

But a 'revolution' should be about results, not just aspirations. Reasonable people can disagree about the potential for success of the Sanders agenda and his ability to see it through.

I find his revolution self-serving to his run for president, and his expectation that the myriad beliefs and interests of supporters are going to crystallize into actual action on his initiatives to be as uncertain as for any candidate running for the office; made even more dubious by the dearth of support among his own peers in Congress, notably, all but two members of the Progressive Caucus he founded are supporting Hillary.

[polly7]

30. Oh come on ..... I've done a lot of reading here.

It doesn't sound like her platform at all.

And from what I've read - he's never called it his, he says its a revolution of the people - do they not count?

[bigtree]

39. people 'count' in elections

...whether that translates into some sort of cohesive force after the election is a wild-card.

I don't see the avenue to the enactment of his promises that his supporters may. That enactment, that result, is the only 'revolution' I believe is meaningful in this contest between these two worthy candidates.

[polly7]

41. People 'count' long before actual elections.

Or they should. And to Sanders, they always have.

Saying they only count in elections is telling, and just what I see of the Clinton campaign. How many of her actions hurt people that apparently didn't count? But now .................... they, magically, do! Sanders doesn't promise anything - he's said that with the support of those who he believes in and who believe in him and a lot of hard work - many things can be fixed. He's never claimed to be a hero, a magician or anything else. He's made people believe in the power of real democracy again - and that extends to the work that needs to be done after he wins. Just my take on it.

[bigtree]

45. you know full well that I'm not disagreeing with any of that

...but reasonable people can disagree on whether these candidates can deliver on their promises.

I DID NOT say people only count in elections. I did say that it's unrealistic to expect the myriad interests and beliefs of supporters to carry all of that through the legislature.

Sen. Sanders has outlined a path to enactment of his agenda which I believe is unrealistic, highlighted and presaged by the absolute dearth of support in Congress for his presidential bid.

It's interesting to me when his supporters down play his expectations of his role. What's it really all about then, except to defeat Hillary?

[polly7]

48. To you unrealistic, to millions, many of whom desperately need help - worthy goals that need

fighting for and who see the possibilities.

I haven't seen anyone downplaying his expectations?? I've seen them tell the truth of what he's said. So that's kind of weird.

[bigtree]

51. those aspirations aren't limited to Sanders supporters

...despite the belief among his following that he holds exclusive dominion over progressiveness.

Still, yes, I find the prospect for success of his agenda unrealistic, for the reasons I stated above. Not for lack of vision or will, or circumstance, but out of doubt about this one man's candidacy.

We all have aspirations, that's not an issue. whether we have a realistic means for achieving those is the question many voters will be asking in this election.

[polly7]

61. I've never, ever seen anyone state what you've claimed - that he holds exclusive dominion over

progressiveness. Not once. I think you just made that up.

It's not 'one man'. It's a real movement made up of millions of people who see hope that a system currently run by those with the money and power can be changed in a way that will enable them to live lives with dignity.

This isn't just happening in the U.S., you know. People all over the world are waking up to how they're being hurt by policies that benefit only those who have it all already, and are sick and tired of it. They can't survive the status quo, and why should they have to suffer even trying to??

[bigtree]

66. I haven't made anything up

...and our discussion comes to an end with that discourtesy.

[polly7]

67. Yeah ................ ok, bye. It was fun! nt.

[questionseverything]

68. chelsae disagrees with stopping the imprisonment of non violent drug users

so i am assuming hc does too

it is making her "worry"

we finally have a candidate willing to think about stopping the "war on drugs", which should of been called the "war on the 4th amendment"

or the "war on families"

or the "war to make for profit prisons wealthy"

all i have to go on is history but since the clintons practically invented prisons for profit and increased the federal prison roles even more than the repubs...i think she would double down on that failed policy

[roguevalley]

34. I sort of have to laugh that HRC supporters believe there won't be opposition, some of it crude to

their candidate. If they wince and whine now, what about a GE? Where is that vaunted toughness? I sort of have less sympathy than I should given that a HRC supporter on this board called Bernie 'a crusty old Jew'. But that's just me.

[virtualobserver]

2. The David Brock Gazette is so 1990's....why don't you just post from Hillary's website?

[bigtree]

6. I do, occasionally, when I find something that interests me

...sounds bitter.

[virtualobserver]

11. Brock is a spinmeister and manipulator....He nauseated me when he attacked the Clintons.....

This is a spin site for Hillary that he owns....and I don't like people who are dishonest.

[bigtree]

18. I don't give a damn that this is a Hillary supporter

...it's a weak complaint, but you go with that.

In fact, it's as banal as the rest of the garbage thrown at the Clinton camp.

[BlueCaliDem]

20. ZING!

There it iz!

Good comeback, bigtree, and trying to tone down the rage against the Clintons on the left is as impossible as toning down the rage against the Clintons on the right. The horseshoe theory comes to mind here.

The only way to (temporarily) stop this is to have Hillary Clinton WIN the nomination and then the G.E. I have no doubt she'll win both of them, so at least I'm calm in that respect. I guess I'm not enraged and angry at the world enough to be a Sanders supporter. And I'm okay with that.

[Fawke Em]

79. If people on the left don't like her and people on the right hate her, then there's no

way she wins the general because independents don't trust her.

[BlueCaliDem]

80. That's what they said about Barack Obama.

Guess what?

[Fawke Em]

77. Wrong. It's the strongest complaint there is.

He's PAID to like her.

[TubbersUK]

3. Sale Of Blue Nation Review Gives Hillary Clinton Camp Its Very Own Media Outlet

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton ally David Brock is acquiring a media outlet, sources involved in the negotiation and sale of the site tell The Huffington Post.

True Blue Media, a newly formed company incorporated by Brock, has acquired progressive news website Blue Nation Review. BNR's previous owner, MOKO Social Media Limited, will retain a 20 percent stake in the new entity while Brock will hold the remaining 80 percent equity balance. The sale was finalized Monday night.

Peter Daou, digital media strategist for Clinton's 2008 campaign, will serve as the new CEO of True Blue Media.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/david-brock-blue-nation-review_us_564f0f3de4b0879a5b0a7bc5

[bigtree]

7. he says all of that right at the beginning of his article, so

...deal with it?

[SidDithers]

31. He was also a DUer before most of our current posters had even heard of this site...nt

Sid

[daleanime]

4. Because that absolutely, positively, no sane reason for a democrat to dislike Hillary....

(we need a 'I nearly swallowed my tongue' smilie)

[bigtree]

12. that's a weak deflection

...I find the hatred to be off-the-wall, bat-shit nutty.

It precludes discussion about 'reasons.'

[daleanime]

26. And therefore not true?

[bigtree]

40. I didn't intend to include a 'therefore'

...I don't think the hatred expressed is the basis for a reasonable debate or discussion.

[beam me up scottie]

8. Brocknationreview, catapulting the propaganda to infinity and beyond!

[bigtree]

13. oh, but I agree strongly

...pretend I wrote it, then deflect from the hatred the writer describes.

[m-lekktor]

15. If you see Peter Daou's name on it you know what to expect. nt

[beam me up scottie]

17. Yep, the spin meisters now have their own media outlet.

And her supporters complain about Goodman?

[Depaysement]

10. Banal

So vast, so prevalent, so true, it has become banal.

That pretty much sums it up.

[krawhitham]

14. cool another BS article straight from Hillary's PAC

https://t.co/Xj59HeBHS2

[bigtree]

16. the writer says clearly where his sympathies lie

...you have nothing to complain about.

I agree wholeheartedly with his remarks.

[H2O Man]

22. Recommended.

I recommended the OP, partly because I agree with some of the author's points, and largely because I like and respect the DUer who posted it.

As I've noted numerous times, while I favor Bernie, I will support whoever wins the nomination. I am comfortable with either one. It's just that I think that our nation really, really needs Bernie at this time. Plus, I think he has a far better chance of winning the general election.

There continues to be too much bitter nonsense on DU. And both sides add to it daily. However, I reject out of hand the idea that the concerns that community members voice about Ms. Clinton are nothing but right-wing, rabid-republican talking points. Dismissing legitimate concerns in such a manner is as insulting as anything on DU.

[bigtree]

36. I alway get a bit nervous when serious people wade into the DUP mudpile

...and catch me with mud on my hands and face.

I get discouraged by the debate here daily, but I usually find enough resolve to continue. I don't mind the political banter... I do, very much, mind the invective directed toward these Democratic candidates which centers on personality, rather than issues.

I also believe in political revolution, although I don't see the Sanders campaign in that light. I find his evoking of revolution welcoming, and his description of its promise and pitfalls credible. What I don't believe is that this particular campaign has focused its energy in a way which will attract the kind of support needed to implement his agenda.

Moreover, there's an anti-Hillary vibe coming from his online support base which is sucking the life right out of the most effective vehicle for organizing his revolution, social media. I don't fault the candidate as much as might be expected, though, except in the naivete of expecting the myriad interests and beliefs of his legion of supporters to provide the clear and focused impetus needed to transform all of the agitation into action.

The blind spot in the Sanders bid, as I see it, is the assumption by many supporters that everything Hillary is tainted by the worst of what they think of her; that the aspirations and beliefs of her supporters regarding the issues that affect us are somehow alienated from what the Sanders camp aspires to. There's a self-defeating wedge being forced between Democrats which threatens everything we all stand for.

The party is a coalition of interests. Indeed, a Sanders presidency would need to rely on EVERY Democrat to help advance a progressive agenda - not just those who agree with his candidacy or are tolerant of the hatred expressed by some in his camp, but every Democrat.

I'm not convinced that the virtual silence by republicans toward Sanders represents more than a calm before a storm. The prospect of republican attacks on a virtual unknown are much more pernicious to me than rehashed pablum about Hillary scandals which most Americans tuned out decades ago. At any rate, the turnout so far in this primary should give pause to both candidates -- especially, though, to the one who is depending on that turnout to define his political revolution.

[panader0]

25. Revolution

"Revolution is about the need to re-evolve political, economic and social justice and power back into the hands of the people, preferably through legislation and policies that make human sense. That's what revolution is about. Revolution is not about shootouts."

Bobby Seale

[JimDandy]

71. Nice quote! n/t

[deutsey]

88. +1

Thank you.

[SidDithers]

28. DU rec for the former PeteNYC...

Sid

[SoLeftIAmRight]

32. Another establishment hack - $hilling for the status quo.

nothing new - no solutions - all will be well if we just keep on the same path

[My Good Babushka]

43. I don't know what's so unbelievable

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about half of the country making 30k or less, and standing up to say that's enough. This is the two party system saying once again, it's just not time for you. Your life, health, dignity and quality of existence is just not important enough, again.

[bigtree]

49. no one is saying that, at least not Hillary

...I don't remember when a party outside the two-party system had enough support to afford it any formidable political clout. Maybe the Bull-Moose party. There isn't a more effective political vehicle for progressive interests and concerns available than the Democratic coalition.

[My Good Babushka]

73. With wages and benefits declining for my whole lifetime

and many of those years under democratic presidents, it's hard to imagine where the "effectiveness" has been. You might be looking at a time, right now, when a party outside of the system has enough support.

[Yurovsky]

47. Rich guy is mad because the sheep are not lining up for slaughter...

another "I got mine, fuck you" pseudo-progressive.

I find him nauseating, and FWIW, would like for him to go fuck himself (the author, not the OP).

[bigtree]

50. I'm a working class-American. Paycheck to paycheck, no savings

...and I agree with what he wrote, 100%

[randys1]

58. It is easy to agree with comments about how Hillary is ruthlessly attacked all day

everyday for years, because it is true.

I can support Bernie, which I do, and admit that there is a department in the GOP with a huge budget called

"Destroy Hillary Clinton no matter what"

[Yurovsky]

62. You are free t do so, but he's coming from a different place...

he wants to protect what he has.

You, by your own admission, don't have that kind of scratch. Why you don't support Bernie is your business, but I doubt you and the author are counting on Hillary to deliver the same thing. Rich people fear not being rich a hell of a lot more than they care about reproductive rights, voting rights, or education. When they hear a candidate propose real economic change and a concerted effort to share prosperity, they come out swinging. Lots of wealthy Democrats from Wall Street to Rodeo Drive are scared to death of the prospect of President Bernie Sanders.

FWIW, I think folks like you & I might actually have a chance to get ahead for a change, or at least not struggle for the rest of our lives. JMO...

[LuvLoogie]

52. Like dissing Nickleback or Creed.

[uponit7771]

59. I like Nickleback, I'm AA so its' usually not my genre so I'm not in on the reasoning...

... kind of like with HRC.

I don't get the overt bashing of her now... in 08 it was her unwillingness to admit that she made a mistake with the IWR and her campaigns overt stupidity but right now...what the hell

[berniepdx420]

53. Do you have any insightful comments on your sides Bernie trolling ?? to use your phrase.... eom

[uponit7771]

54. +1, people have honestly asked for example of this "revolution" on a small scale by Sanders......

... and also what the hell it means or looks like TANGIBLY... not just words or slogans but what it tangibly would look like.

We get nothing in the form of something ACTUAL that Sanders will do or has done to lead millions of people to persuade the entrenched towards progressive legislation or even attitudes.

This revolution is starting to look like a temper tantrum of the DNC establishment and not a true organic revolution that includes everyone.

[cherokeeprogressive]

56. Mr. Daou uses the NH turnout numbers to say because of Bernie, turnout should worry Dems.

Fuck me runnin'. Bernie Sanders garnered more fucking votes than any other candidate FROM EITHER PARTY in the history of New Hampshire primaries.

13% reduction in turnout... with one of the candidates getting more votes than any candidate ever has, and this genius wants me to believe the missing 13% can be attributed to Bernie Sanders?

"During my decade in the entertainment business, I had the privilege of working on tracks by pioneering artists like Bjork and Miles Davis. What I learned is that you’re never more out than when you’re trying to be in. The legends never follow trends, they defy them."

Hey Dufus: I bet Bjork and Miles Davis were NEVER name-droppers. You tryin' to be "in"?

Fail.

[workinclasszero]

57. You don't need a revolution in a democracy

You just need people to get off their ass and vote.

So far Bernie's millennium revolution isn't delivering the goods, far bigger turnout for President Obama.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

60. Scrutinizing candidates before voting for them is the responsibility of voters.

It's not about "being cool" or with the "In Crowd" (what could be more "In" than Hillary's crowd?). It's about decision making.

[bigtree]

64. that's a novel way to describe clear expressions of hate

...'scrutinizing.'

No one is complaining about scrutinizing records.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

69. A lot of people here see any criticism of Hillary as "bashing" or "hate".

It's hardly "novel".

OTOH I haven't seen any overt "hate" of Hillary here.

[bigtree]

70. I'm not one of them

...and if you can't see what the writer is referring to, you must not be trying very hard.

[grntuscarora]

63. Oooh, ouch.

Sanders supporters are illogical,unfactual, thoughtless, herdlike, and in the cruelest cut of all, uncool.

Well I guess that settles it. When someone as cool as this guy i've never heard of says Sanders supporters are uncool, I guess the campaign is over.


But I think I'll stick around anyway.

[Bohemianwriter]

65. So how do you think...

she will unite the country when she is as divisive as she is?

[Bluenorthwest]

72. I just want you to know that the negative and condescending focus on others by the Hillary Brigade

simply reminds me of the years in which her anti equality messages were delivered in exactly the same smug, self anointed with false righteousness tones. Do the judgement fandango Seen it and seen it. They said the exact same things about Obama and his supporters and now they all adore Obama. It's tired, they are hacks and it just reminds me of what that culture is all about.

[bigtree]

74. not a word from you about all of the invective from Sanders supporters here

...no self-righteous lectures about their 'negative and condescending focus on others.'

It's a selective myopia you're practicing here. It's amazing you believe you know anything substantive about the people you express so much contempt toward for speaking out against hatred. This lecturing of yours is the substance of 99% of your posts on my threads. The projection and hypocrisy in this observation of yours is stunning.

[Fawke Em]

75. Why do you guys keep posting crap from Blue Nation Review?

Bernie supporters know that's owned and run by David Brock.

We don't pay any attention to it.

It just takes up space.

[bigtree]

82. you don't get to decide what 'we' post

...keep quoting Killer Mike.

[Fawke Em]

85. No. I don't, but I can make a comment about how idiotic it is.

And, as a woman, I can also comment about your phony outrage over his use of the word, "uterus." I knew what he meant. As a real feminist, I don't want anyone judging me on my plumbing, but on my brain. So I will quote Killer Mike:

"The ballot or the bullet, some freedom or some bullshit
Will we ever do it big, or keep just settling for little shit
We brag on having bread, but none of us are bakers
We all talk having greens, but none of us own acres
If none of us on acres, and none of us grow wheat
Then who will feed our people when our people need to eat
So it seems our people starve from lack of understanding
Cause all we seem to give them is some balling and some dancing
And some talking about our car and imaginary mansions
We should be indicted for bullshit we inciting
Hella children deaf and pretending it's exciting
We are advertisements for agony and pain
We exploit the youth, we tell them to join a gang
We tell them dope stories, introduce them to the game
Just like Oliver North introduced us to cocaine
In the 80s when the bricks came on military planes"

And, you can quote his sexist lyrics. I know them. I also know the sexist lyrics of every white hair band. It's there.

Remember this:

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.

Live it.

[bigtree]

86. well, that defines you

...and is a good reflection of the Sanders campaign here.

Outraged about everyone and everything except the worst of your sweet selves. I've never seen a more vindictive and bitter navel-gazing campaign than the DU Sanders brigade.

Btw, you cherry-picked KM.

[jillan]

76. Blue Nation = Hillary's very own Fox News media outlet.

Instead of Roger Ailes, she has David Brock!

[bigtree]

83. pisses you off more than the Hillary hatred spewed by your fellow supporters

...speaks volumes.

[arcane1]

78. "it’s excruciatingly unoriginal"

Irony is dead.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

81. I thought you supported O'Malley?

[bigtree]

84. there's some news

...he's dropped out.

You shouldn't imagine for a moment that I'd have any part of DU's backbiting, vindictive, navel-gazing Sanders campaign.

[Alfresco]

87. Kickin' it