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apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:43 PM Feb 2016

Voters can and should factor in gender in the primaries and general election

On the Democratic side, we have two candidates. They agree on 98% of the issues we care most about. On paper, one candidate is better qualified by every metric, including educational background. That candidate also happens to belong to a gender that has been excluded from the highest office in every election since the country was founded.

According to Gallup, 67% of Americans support affirmative action for women. White men are least likely to support affirmative action. http://www.gallup.com/poll/184772/higher-support-gender-affirmative-action-race.aspx

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Voters can and should factor in gender in the primaries and general election (Original Post) apples and oranges Feb 2016 OP
And there is it, yet again Matt_in_STL Feb 2016 #1
Do you support affirmative action? apples and oranges Feb 2016 #2
Of course I do Matt_in_STL Feb 2016 #3
We aren't in the general yet, we have no idea how far right Clinton would go Fumesucker Feb 2016 #4
But it's only one factor. For example I don't want Margaret Thatcher or Hillary Clinton Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #5
+1 jwirr Feb 2016 #6
Character. And they disagree on many vital issues. cali Feb 2016 #7
If Bernie is our nominee and the repukes nominated a woman would you say the same? libtodeath Feb 2016 #8
Her judgment is awful. She is the biggest flip flopper I've ever seen cali Feb 2016 #9
Is this today's talking point? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #10
They don't agree on 98% Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #11
You would have to be pretty fucking nimble catnhatnh Feb 2016 #12
Certain Hillary supporters on this site do it very nimbly! JackRiddler Feb 2016 #15
Yes of course, for example: JackRiddler Feb 2016 #13
no. just no. restorefreedom Feb 2016 #14
Agree on 98% of the issues? 99Forever Feb 2016 #16
Indeed.. hifiguy Feb 2016 #23
If they agree on 98% of the issues (yeah, right)... mak3cats Feb 2016 #17
I'm going to factor in UglyGreed Feb 2016 #18
You're so right! I'm going to email Carly and see if I can convince her to change her mind about jillan Feb 2016 #19
Good one! (eom) mak3cats Feb 2016 #20
This post is kath Feb 2016 #21
Why? Simple question. Why? hifiguy Feb 2016 #22
 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
1. And there is it, yet again
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:46 PM
Feb 2016

Vote for Hillary because she's a woman, but this time with 100% more ridiculous reasoning.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
3. Of course I do
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:50 PM
Feb 2016

But unless you can say Bernie doesn't support it then your point is moot, and really quite ridiculous as reasons to vote for someone.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
4. We aren't in the general yet, we have no idea how far right Clinton would go
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:52 PM
Feb 2016

Centrists love them some sweet, sweet conservative votes and you can bet significant portions of your anatomy that the microsecond Clinton has the nomination she'll sprint right so fast you'll think a bullet train just went by.

You know she's pissed at having the coronation challenged by a bunch of revolting commoners, she'll be dying to teach us a lesson as soon as she gets the chance since that's the way the Clintons operate, and who the hell else are we gonna vote for once she has the nom, eh?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
5. But it's only one factor. For example I don't want Margaret Thatcher or Hillary Clinton
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:54 PM
Feb 2016

And no, they don't agree on 98% of the issues.

They are very different on many issues that I care deeply about.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
9. Her judgment is awful. She is the biggest flip flopper I've ever seen
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:08 PM
Feb 2016

She has multiple conflicts of interest. Her ethics are lacking. She is far from transparent.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
11. They don't agree on 98%
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:21 PM
Feb 2016

and one of them will have considerably stronger affiliation to Wall Street over the 99%. HIllary dosen't even recognize that there CURRENTLY IS a problem with Wall Street.





 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
13. Yes of course, for example:
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:21 PM
Feb 2016

- paid maternity leave

- $15 minimum wage

- free public university

- universal single-payer health care, obviously including health care for women and the right to choice

- securing social security

- reducing the chance of devastating economic depressions that hit the poor (majority: women) more than other groups

- possibly having fewer U.S.-engineered massacres of civilian populations abroad (though I don't hold my breath with any candidate)

these are all gender issues - and Sanders is far stronger on all of them.

Now if you'd rather have fewer and lower-paying jobs for women and men, but the symbolic victory of one woman holding a really top job (as she engineers the next set of wars and pushes through the next round of corporate welfare and "trade agreements&quot , then please vote as you will!

Remember how Thatcher brought about a gender revolution in the UK? Strange, I don't.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
23. Indeed..
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 09:04 PM
Feb 2016

I haven't heard Bernie call for coddling Wall Street and Endless War Everywhere. Did I miss something?

mak3cats

(1,573 posts)
17. If they agree on 98% of the issues (yeah, right)...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:46 PM
Feb 2016

...it would only be because Hillary's recently adopted several of Bernie's positions that she didn't agree with before. And I don't trust for one damn minute that she wouldn't change back if she were elected. So, no. Even as a middle-aged female I'll wait for a better female candidate. Thanks anyway.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
19. You're so right! I'm going to email Carly and see if I can convince her to change her mind about
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:51 PM
Feb 2016

dropping out of the race!!

What was I thinking supporting a man?!

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
22. Why? Simple question. Why?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 09:03 PM
Feb 2016

I support the candidate that best represents my view of sound and thoughtful public policy and no other considerations play a part.

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