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book_worm

(15,951 posts)
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:54 PM Feb 2016

Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) Bernie stood with the "anti-immigration wing" of the GOP

...During the conference call, Clinton’s supporters swung punches at Sanders for voting for an amendment that supported a border vigilante group and a bill the Clinton campaign said would have allowed immigrants in the country illegally to be indefinitely detained.

“Sen. Sanders consistently wasn’t there when we needed him the most,” said Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro, who’s rumored to be on Clinton’s short list for a running mate. “If the past is any indication of what the future holds, then Sen. Sanders will continue to let us down.”

Rep. Luis Gutiérrez, D-Illinois, accused Sanders of standing with the “anti-immigration wing” of the Republican party.

“Many of us have long memories that can help us recognize who we can count on and who let us down when we needed them,” Gutierrez said.

Clinton is in a close caucus race against Sanders in Nevada, where the state population is 27 percent Hispanic. According to the few polls taken in the Lone Star State, she’s leading by double digits in Texas where she already has the support of about half the state’s superdelegates.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2016/02/consolidating-hispanic-support-clintons-campaign-throws-punches-at-sanders.html/

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Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) Bernie stood with the "anti-immigration wing" of the GOP (Original Post) book_worm Feb 2016 OP
Oh gosh...Someone auditioning for Clintons VP slot doesn't like Bernie? Armstead Feb 2016 #1
Nevada caucus Kick. oasis Feb 2016 #2
Nevada caucus Kick. lasttrip Feb 2016 #8
Okay, that rocked Aerows Feb 2016 #12
Thanks Aerows. lasttrip Feb 2016 #13
This whole character assassination act is quickly getting old HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #3
Hillary who wants to deport children? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #4
lol more kitchen sinks. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #5
Gutierrez is one of ClinTon's top attack dogs JI7 Feb 2016 #6
So, why then is Rep Guitierrez pro-slavery of foreign temporary workers? cascadiance Feb 2016 #7
+1. Excellent question. historylovr Feb 2016 #14
You and your stinkin' details. Vinca Feb 2016 #17
Wow! Voting against slave labor = bad? Voting to turn away children to send a msg = good? jillan Feb 2016 #9
Guess so. elleng Feb 2016 #27
Sanders supported the AFL-CIO on this bill. earthside Feb 2016 #10
So Gutierrez believes slavery-like guest worker programs are good? (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #11
Gutierrez believes Bernie the wrong decision. That's what counts. nt oasis Feb 2016 #16
And Bernie believes supporting pseudo-slavery guest worker programs is a wrong decision too! cascadiance Feb 2016 #18
On issues affecting the Latino community, I tend to give more oasis Feb 2016 #21
But then I guess they feel like pro-slavery H-2B programs are a good thing? cascadiance Feb 2016 #22
Bernie should've publicly called Gutierrez out if this is the case. oasis Feb 2016 #23
He's already explained his guest worker program reasons for voting against these bills... cascadiance Feb 2016 #25
When you toss your hat in the political ring, expect a battle. oasis Feb 2016 #29
Sacrifice principles just to win... That sounds like it probably is Hillary's goal huh! cascadiance Feb 2016 #30
That's the question that needs to be asked DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #19
Ouch.. DCBob Feb 2016 #15
Gutierrez just lies and lies. He lies his fucking ass off and then he lies some more. Vattel Feb 2016 #20
Illegal immigration is a complex issue... TheBluestEye Feb 2016 #24
Cant wait for this god damn primary season to be over with. randys1 Feb 2016 #26
Bernie hates h1-B visas. Csainvestor Feb 2016 #28
The surrogates for Hillary I think are really doing her a disservice Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #31
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
3. This whole character assassination act is quickly getting old
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:00 PM
Feb 2016

Before you know it someone is going to claim that Bernie eats babies for breakfast every morning.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
4. Hillary who wants to deport children?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:00 PM
Feb 2016


Who referred to immigrants as "illegal"?



Why does Gutierrez support a bill the SPLC likened to slavery?

Close to Slavery: Guestworker Programs in the United States

This report, updated in February 2013, details the systematic exploitation of foreign workers who come to this country for temporary jobs under the nation's H-2 guestworker program. Based on dozens of legal cases and interviews with thousands of guestworkers, it documents how guestworkers are routinely cheated out of wages, forced to mortgage their futures to obtain low-wage, temporary jobs, and held virtually captive by employers.

In the debate over comprehensive immigration reform, various policymakers and business groups have suggested that Congress create a new or expanded guestworker program to ensure a steady supply of foreign workers for industries that rely on an abundance of cheap labor.

Congress should look before it leaps. The current H-2 program, which provides temporary farmworkers and non-farm laborers for a variety of U.S. industries, is rife with labor and human rights violations committed by employers who prey on a highly vulnerable workforce. It harms the interests of U.S. workers, as well, by undercutting wages and working conditions for those who labor at the lowest rungs of the economic ladder. This program should not be expanded or used as a model for immigration reform.

https://www.splcenter.org/20130218/close-slavery-guestworker-programs-united-states

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
7. So, why then is Rep Guitierrez pro-slavery of foreign temporary workers?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:09 PM
Feb 2016

That's what he's advocating then if he wanted Bernie to vote for a bill that put in place those guest worker programs that in fact looks to put in place slavery conditions of indentured servitude that guest worker programs like H-1B and H-2B put in place. Apparently Hillary Clinton likes that too, and the side effect that it takes away many jobs from Americans that these jobs are taken from to let the rich oligarchs have a better "bottom" for them to race to to steal more of the 99% wages and redistribute that money to themselves!

If he wants to play along with that language that Bernie is anti-immigration not to pass a bill cluttered with unforgivable garbage in it, we can do the same and call them pro-slavery in the same fashion for supporting a bill with these kind of programs in it!

http://www.thenation.com/article/these-workers-came-overseas-help-rebuild-after-hurricane-katrina-and-were-treated-prison/

earthside

(6,960 posts)
10. Sanders supported the AFL-CIO on this bill.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:14 PM
Feb 2016

How terrible.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-and-immigration-its-complicated-119190

... Sanders didn’t oppose a pathway to citizenship or efforts to boost border security. That chapter in Sanders’ immigration record reflects less on his support for the issue and more on his alliance to labor — and key unions also opposed the 2007 legislation.

“Sanders was basically one of our only allies … especially for low-skilled workers” in 2007, said Ana Avendano, a former top immigration official at the AFL-CIO. “He adamantly put his foot down and said these kinds of programs [allow] employers to bring in more and more vulnerable workers.” ...

The son of Polish immigrants, Sanders has a record on immigration that’s broadly praised by advocates.

In December 2010, Sanders voted for the Dream Act — legislation that would have legalized immigrants brought to the United States illegally as children. It passed the Democratic-led House, but blocked in the Senate. Sanders voted with all Senate Democrats to support the so-called Gang of Eight bill in 2013. ...


 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
18. And Bernie believes supporting pseudo-slavery guest worker programs is a wrong decision too!
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:45 PM
Feb 2016

That's what counts in how he voted!

oasis

(49,390 posts)
21. On issues affecting the Latino community, I tend to give more
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:53 PM
Feb 2016

weight on what THEIR elected leaders have to say.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
22. But then I guess they feel like pro-slavery H-2B programs are a good thing?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:57 PM
Feb 2016

And that we shouldn't worry about those getting screwed by them?

oasis

(49,390 posts)
23. Bernie should've publicly called Gutierrez out if this is the case.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016

He doesn't hesitate taking on Wall Street and the banking industry.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
25. He's already explained his guest worker program reasons for voting against these bills...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:17 PM
Feb 2016

Did you watch the first debate when he got asked that same sort of leading question?

He doesn't need to lower himself to characterizing someone else for having a position on a different part of the bill that couldn't override his judgement on the fundamental concern he had with what he would be voting in to place with the guest worker program authorizations.

That doesn't stop us from responding in kind in the same fashion to these sort of attacks on his character. Those who use fire to attack him deserve to have fire thrown back at them in my book.

I do respect those who want immigration reform, and hopefully we can get a new president and congress elected that can give us a CLEAN immigration bill that will do the necessary changes to provide a path to citizenship for those who want to immigrate here, etc. and not have NON-IMMIGRATION garbage thrown in to it to try and hijack it to do so.

If congress critters feel that the people support that kind of crap, then they should have a separate bill to vote on without hijacking an existing bill. THEN we can see who works more for the people clearly and who is in the pocket of the lobbyists. But they won't do that as they don't want people to know their GAMES and they use these games not only to pass this sort of crap, but evidently to provide propaganda fuel for their minions to attack those that vote against this crap too in other elections.

oasis

(49,390 posts)
29. When you toss your hat in the political ring, expect a battle.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:24 PM
Feb 2016

The Clinton's are in it to win it however noble Bernie's intentions were at the time he voted.

I like Bernie but it is what it is.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
19. That's the question that needs to be asked
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:49 PM
Feb 2016

When these folks talk about being "anti-immigrant". Do you think guest worker programs benefit immigrants? If so, how?

 

TheBluestEye

(97 posts)
24. Illegal immigration is a complex issue...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:12 PM
Feb 2016

Did Rep. Gutierrez explain how he can back Hillary Clinton while knowing Bill Clinton's immigration reform included denying food stamps for "qualified immigrants" for their first five years in America?

Most immigrants in America are here legally. They work and pay into the system. That same system that they support is failing them like everyone else. These accusations won't deter them from voting for Bernie. They know that immigration law is complicated.

Just keep making the phone calls on behalf of Bernie. Get involved on the ground. Bernie has this!

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
28. Bernie hates h1-B visas.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:23 PM
Feb 2016

The problem with a lot of these immigration bills is that they want to massively increase the amount of h1b workers we admit to the USA. The corporatist loving politicians always sneak in new ways to offshore american jobs in these immigration bills.

Bernie is for granting legal status for those living in the shadows, but he is against the corporate giveaway of increasing h1b work visas by 300%.

Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
31. The surrogates for Hillary I think are really doing her a disservice
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:28 PM
Feb 2016

The need to demonize Bernie instead of talking about what Hillary really stands for just starts to sound like white noise after a while. It's too much. It's too endless. And some thinking people will actually do a little research to find out if what is being said is true and discover - it's not!

Constant negative slams all start to sound the same after a while.

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