2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) Bernie stood with the "anti-immigration wing" of the GOP
...During the conference call, Clintons supporters swung punches at Sanders for voting for an amendment that supported a border vigilante group and a bill the Clinton campaign said would have allowed immigrants in the country illegally to be indefinitely detained.
Sen. Sanders consistently wasnt there when we needed him the most, said Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro, whos rumored to be on Clintons short list for a running mate. If the past is any indication of what the future holds, then Sen. Sanders will continue to let us down.
Rep. Luis Gutiérrez, D-Illinois, accused Sanders of standing with the anti-immigration wing of the Republican party.
Many of us have long memories that can help us recognize who we can count on and who let us down when we needed them, Gutierrez said.
Clinton is in a close caucus race against Sanders in Nevada, where the state population is 27 percent Hispanic. According to the few polls taken in the Lone Star State, shes leading by double digits in Texas where she already has the support of about half the states superdelegates.
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2016/02/consolidating-hispanic-support-clintons-campaign-throws-punches-at-sanders.html/
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Crushing.
oasis
(49,390 posts)lasttrip
(1,013 posts)Get out the vote!
Peace.
LT
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and I'm not just saying that because I'm a Bernie supporter.
lasttrip
(1,013 posts)Peace.
LT
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Before you know it someone is going to claim that Bernie eats babies for breakfast every morning.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Who referred to immigrants as "illegal"?
Why does Gutierrez support a bill the SPLC likened to slavery?
This report, updated in February 2013, details the systematic exploitation of foreign workers who come to this country for temporary jobs under the nation's H-2 guestworker program. Based on dozens of legal cases and interviews with thousands of guestworkers, it documents how guestworkers are routinely cheated out of wages, forced to mortgage their futures to obtain low-wage, temporary jobs, and held virtually captive by employers.
In the debate over comprehensive immigration reform, various policymakers and business groups have suggested that Congress create a new or expanded guestworker program to ensure a steady supply of foreign workers for industries that rely on an abundance of cheap labor.
Congress should look before it leaps. The current H-2 program, which provides temporary farmworkers and non-farm laborers for a variety of U.S. industries, is rife with labor and human rights violations committed by employers who prey on a highly vulnerable workforce. It harms the interests of U.S. workers, as well, by undercutting wages and working conditions for those who labor at the lowest rungs of the economic ladder. This program should not be expanded or used as a model for immigration reform.
https://www.splcenter.org/20130218/close-slavery-guestworker-programs-united-states
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)JI7
(89,252 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)That's what he's advocating then if he wanted Bernie to vote for a bill that put in place those guest worker programs that in fact looks to put in place slavery conditions of indentured servitude that guest worker programs like H-1B and H-2B put in place. Apparently Hillary Clinton likes that too, and the side effect that it takes away many jobs from Americans that these jobs are taken from to let the rich oligarchs have a better "bottom" for them to race to to steal more of the 99% wages and redistribute that money to themselves!
If he wants to play along with that language that Bernie is anti-immigration not to pass a bill cluttered with unforgivable garbage in it, we can do the same and call them pro-slavery in the same fashion for supporting a bill with these kind of programs in it!
http://www.thenation.com/article/these-workers-came-overseas-help-rebuild-after-hurricane-katrina-and-were-treated-prison/
historylovr
(1,557 posts)Vinca
(50,279 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)How terrible.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-and-immigration-its-complicated-119190
Sanders was basically one of our only allies especially for low-skilled workers in 2007, said Ana Avendano, a former top immigration official at the AFL-CIO. He adamantly put his foot down and said these kinds of programs [allow] employers to bring in more and more vulnerable workers. ...
The son of Polish immigrants, Sanders has a record on immigration thats broadly praised by advocates.
In December 2010, Sanders voted for the Dream Act legislation that would have legalized immigrants brought to the United States illegally as children. It passed the Democratic-led House, but blocked in the Senate. Sanders voted with all Senate Democrats to support the so-called Gang of Eight bill in 2013. ...
jeff47
(26,549 posts)oasis
(49,390 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)That's what counts in how he voted!
oasis
(49,390 posts)weight on what THEIR elected leaders have to say.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)And that we shouldn't worry about those getting screwed by them?
oasis
(49,390 posts)He doesn't hesitate taking on Wall Street and the banking industry.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Did you watch the first debate when he got asked that same sort of leading question?
He doesn't need to lower himself to characterizing someone else for having a position on a different part of the bill that couldn't override his judgement on the fundamental concern he had with what he would be voting in to place with the guest worker program authorizations.
That doesn't stop us from responding in kind in the same fashion to these sort of attacks on his character. Those who use fire to attack him deserve to have fire thrown back at them in my book.
I do respect those who want immigration reform, and hopefully we can get a new president and congress elected that can give us a CLEAN immigration bill that will do the necessary changes to provide a path to citizenship for those who want to immigrate here, etc. and not have NON-IMMIGRATION garbage thrown in to it to try and hijack it to do so.
If congress critters feel that the people support that kind of crap, then they should have a separate bill to vote on without hijacking an existing bill. THEN we can see who works more for the people clearly and who is in the pocket of the lobbyists. But they won't do that as they don't want people to know their GAMES and they use these games not only to pass this sort of crap, but evidently to provide propaganda fuel for their minions to attack those that vote against this crap too in other elections.
oasis
(49,390 posts)The Clinton's are in it to win it however noble Bernie's intentions were at the time he voted.
I like Bernie but it is what it is.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)When these folks talk about being "anti-immigrant". Do you think guest worker programs benefit immigrants? If so, how?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I predict that's going have impact.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)TheBluestEye
(97 posts)Did Rep. Gutierrez explain how he can back Hillary Clinton while knowing Bill Clinton's immigration reform included denying food stamps for "qualified immigrants" for their first five years in America?
Most immigrants in America are here legally. They work and pay into the system. That same system that they support is failing them like everyone else. These accusations won't deter them from voting for Bernie. They know that immigration law is complicated.
Just keep making the phone calls on behalf of Bernie. Get involved on the ground. Bernie has this!
randys1
(16,286 posts)Csainvestor
(388 posts)The problem with a lot of these immigration bills is that they want to massively increase the amount of h1b workers we admit to the USA. The corporatist loving politicians always sneak in new ways to offshore american jobs in these immigration bills.
Bernie is for granting legal status for those living in the shadows, but he is against the corporate giveaway of increasing h1b work visas by 300%.
Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)The need to demonize Bernie instead of talking about what Hillary really stands for just starts to sound like white noise after a while. It's too much. It's too endless. And some thinking people will actually do a little research to find out if what is being said is true and discover - it's not!
Constant negative slams all start to sound the same after a while.