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Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:30 PM Feb 2016

"Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat."

"He has never put in the kind of grass roots work that active Democrats do to help other Democrats. He doesn't care about building the party up, only about changing it. And he spits on every Democrat who has to take PAC money to get elected, which is most Democrats who don't come from personal wealth. For, unlike candidates in Vermont, which has some of the cheapest media markets in the country for advertising, candidates in most states have to spend an enormous amount of money to get elected. The average Congressional candidate has to spend at least 3 or 4 million dollars to get their message out and even have a chance of winning; the average senate candidate has to spend upwards of 7 to 20 million dollars. And Bernie Sanders sits and makes the case that this is all dirty money, this is all money corrupting the system. But he's never had to raise that much before, and now he has national exposure and access to the fund raising magic of the internet, which allows him to run his clean campaign.

(...)

Hillary Clinton has traveled the nation for over 25 years raising money for local Democrats. She's helped Democrats get elected to the House and Senate, and helped them to stay there. She is a proud member of a political party, the Democratic Party. She's eaten a million rubber chicken dinners to help raise money for local politicians from Maine to California. So when loyal, hard-working Democrats become Superdelegates, do not be surprised if they vote for Clinton almost without exception. It won't be a scandal or a conspiracy; it will be perfectly understandable."

From HuffPo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/monica-bauer/superdelegates-bernie-sanders_b_9263352.html

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"Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat." (Original Post) Chichiri Feb 2016 OP
"I don't care." [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2016 #1
Neither do I . . . fleur-de-lisa Feb 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue Feb 2016 #77
So - money is more important than actual issues that affect actual people. djean111 Feb 2016 #2
Perhaps you should take this up MuseRider Feb 2016 #4
It's water under the bridge now, but yes, I would have preferred that. Chichiri Feb 2016 #29
Oh I am not so sure that he would have gotten nowhere. MuseRider Feb 2016 #54
He's probably praised FDR's policies as a Democrat in the past more than Hillary has... cascadiance Feb 2016 #58
Agreed. MuseRider Feb 2016 #59
Then, we can count on you not to trash Nader in the future? Or is your real issue that no one should merrily Feb 2016 #62
The biggest gift dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #5
+1 kristopher Feb 2016 #35
+a gazillion navarth Feb 2016 #63
um, you might want to check this thread out.. restorefreedom Feb 2016 #6
WTF who cares. It's about THE ISSUES! pinebox Feb 2016 #7
Hillary loses on the issues..so we get this SHIT thrown around..n/t tokenlib Feb 2016 #50
Wait a minute! There are threads all over DU bashing Bernie for attending Democratic Fundraisers jillan Feb 2016 #8
EXACTLY!! ^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^ 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #11
Mixed memos. n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #13
Mixed emos. frylock Feb 2016 #40
He'd be bashed if he ran as an Independent farleftlib Feb 2016 #21
No, they won't. They just throw a potful of pasta against the wall hoping some strand will stick. merrily Feb 2016 #64
Current result lasttrip Feb 2016 #71
Thanks. I hadn't burst out laughing out loud once today before I saw that. merrily Feb 2016 #72
You deserve it merrily! lasttrip Feb 2016 #74
Awwww, thanks so much. We all deserve it. merrily Feb 2016 #75
What is your point?? Sound like its the old "its her turn" cry. seaotter Feb 2016 #9
She's earned the Presidency. No, she's earned the gratitude of the DNC and the Democrats for whom merrily Feb 2016 #65
Spot on. One must WIN the ELECTION to "earn" the Presidency. seaotter Feb 2016 #68
I wish we had a few more weeks. merrily Feb 2016 #70
Just code for "its her turn" and "I wanna see a women President before I die"... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #10
So who cares what the voters want,the party should decide. libtodeath Feb 2016 #12
Don't care. grntuscarora Feb 2016 #14
Which is a good thing because it will take an independent to end corruption, spark a revolution, Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #15
All aboard. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #16
once again olddots Feb 2016 #17
This whole op-Ed is just sanctimonious horseshit... Docreed2003 Feb 2016 #18
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #19
This Vermonter doesn't give a shit. cali Feb 2016 #20
He's raising money for an independent run for re-election in the Senate. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #22
Vermonters love Bernie. And we don't give a shit what outsiders cali Feb 2016 #28
Fine MohRokTah Feb 2016 #30
Bwahaha. Push all you want. The Vermont dem party cali Feb 2016 #32
You do that. Work your tail off for that Dem candidate. frylock Feb 2016 #41
LMAO! You think Bernie would lose to a challenger? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #44
He'll huff, and he'll puff Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #76
True bravenak Feb 2016 #31
Yesterday was "Sanders raises money for the party, and that's awful" day. jeff47 Feb 2016 #23
I have accepted that my candidate is damned if he does and damned if it doesn't. merrily Feb 2016 #73
FDR was a Democrat, right? freebrew Feb 2016 #24
"Who is the best candidate? Who offers the best platform?" JackRiddler Feb 2016 #25
Maybe we don't recognize UglyGreed Feb 2016 #26
Label fetish. Gross. nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #27
I love the term "label fetish". That's exactly what it is. winter is coming Feb 2016 #61
So? daleanime Feb 2016 #33
Neither am I. frylock Feb 2016 #34
I'm confused... Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #36
In some cases, Sanders is more a democrat than some of the current ones who claim that title. woodsprite Feb 2016 #37
I agree. And if Bernie is not a Democrat than the rest of us New Deal Progressives are not either.. tokenlib Feb 2016 #48
I put my principles over loyalty to any party. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #38
Keep voting for a label. Broward Feb 2016 #39
The irony of it all. earthside Feb 2016 #42
Right Bernie is a true FDR Democrat while Hillary is DINO awake Feb 2016 #53
Who cares? The stakes are too high this time around to play that game. n/t Avalux Feb 2016 #43
More of the "plead guilty and claim everybody does it" defense GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #45
Translation: BERNIE SANDERS GET OFF OUR LAWN!!! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #46
So you would have preferred he run as a third party candidate? Vinca Feb 2016 #47
If he is no Democrat, then I am no Democrat. If I am not a Democrat..... madfloridian Feb 2016 #49
Good... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #51
Well, from what I can tell most establishment democrats are soulless whores whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #52
Excellent! Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #55
I see, Bernie hasn't spent years propping up the morally broken wing of The Democratic Party... TheBluestEye Feb 2016 #56
There is no question Democratic politicians are being pressured greatly to support Hillary. merrily Feb 2016 #57
Jeez. All the flak I'm getting... Chichiri Feb 2016 #60
I've supported the Democratic Party sulphurdunn Feb 2016 #66
... and Hillary isn't a liberal either. smiley Feb 2016 #67
...And with Democrats like Hillary, who needs Republicans. corkhead Feb 2016 #69
LOL. So you have to be corrupt to be a true Democrat? mhatrw Feb 2016 #78

Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #3)

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. So - money is more important than actual issues that affect actual people.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:32 PM
Feb 2016

Good to have that confirmed.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
4. Perhaps you should take this up
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:32 PM
Feb 2016

with DWS. She accepted him, he agreed to her conditions and the deal was done.

I will ask again, given his surging popularity would you rather he ran as an Independent? Hmmm?

Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
29. It's water under the bridge now, but yes, I would have preferred that.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:00 PM
Feb 2016

You know and I know that without the existing infrastructure of the Democratic Party, Bernie would have gotten exactly nowhere on an independent run -- and since he's in to win, not to spoil, he would not have tried.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
54. Oh I am not so sure that he would have gotten nowhere.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:17 PM
Feb 2016

He certainly could have stopped the Dems from making progress. If that had been his intention he would have done that. But he wanted to play by the rules and not be a spoiler so why in the hell is he getting flack about all of this. So if you would have preferred that then since the Dems let him in, take it up with them. He is playing by the rules they set up.

He, as are you, as am I are free to criticize what we see and think is wrong. He has apparently said things about Democrats you don't care for. Many of us are not bothered by that because all that is is a chance to move the party in a different way. I would certainly prefer someone was out there to stop the rightway creep that has been going on since Reagan.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
58. He's probably praised FDR's policies as a Democrat in the past more than Hillary has...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:25 PM
Feb 2016

... and rightfully so, since his policy and issue positions are more aligned with what FDR was all about then than Hillary has been pushing!

I predict if this party ever rids of itself of the parasitic CANCER it has in it since the Koch Brothers used Al From to infect it with the DLC back in the day, that Bernie just might become a Democrat then, when it reflects his values more then like the earlier Democratic Party once did earlier.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
62. Then, we can count on you not to trash Nader in the future? Or is your real issue that no one should
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:51 PM
Feb 2016

run for public office other than the anointee of the Democratic Party and to hell with the Constitution and democracy and the millions of Americans who think differently than you do?

BTW, which infrastructure of the Democratic Party has Bernie been using?

dragonfly301

(399 posts)
5. The biggest gift
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:33 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders is giving the Democratic Party is running as a Democrat. If he ran third party you could kiss your Hillary dream goodbye. Ask Ross Perot how that works - that's how Bill Clinton got elected.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
6. um, you might want to check this thread out..
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:33 PM
Feb 2016

hot off the presses!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511266699

the supers are not going to risk their own careers or the future of the dem party to go down with the hms clinton

not gonna happen. they see the writing on the wall already, so they and the m$$$$m can take their untimidation tactics and shove em

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
7. WTF who cares. It's about THE ISSUES!
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:34 PM
Feb 2016

I don't give a crap if you Hillary supporters want to scream this in the face, on the issues he is MORE of a Dem than Hillary ever can and will be.

Isn't it ironic that the person you are for acts more like a Republican while the guy who supposedly isn't a Dem is acting like one?



jillan

(39,451 posts)
8. Wait a minute! There are threads all over DU bashing Bernie for attending Democratic Fundraisers
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:34 PM
Feb 2016

and for Bernie donating money to Democrats.

Which is it? Pick one argument or the other.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
21. He'd be bashed if he ran as an Independent
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:54 PM
Feb 2016

If he'd been a spoiler they'd have the screaming meemies about that too. Hill fans want to have it all ways, just like weathervane Hill.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
64. No, they won't. They just throw a potful of pasta against the wall hoping some strand will stick.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:00 PM
Feb 2016

merrily

(45,251 posts)
72. Thanks. I hadn't burst out laughing out loud once today before I saw that.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:00 PM
Feb 2016

For me, that's an unusual day. I hadn't noticed how much I really need that laugh until I saw your post. Thanks again. What a gift!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
75. Awwww, thanks so much. We all deserve it.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:10 PM
Feb 2016


In the film, Bull Durham, a young woman who is about to be married, but is not a virgin, asks Susan Sarandon's character if she (the engaged woman) deserves to wear a white dress. Sarandon replies "Honey, we all do." We all deserve everything!
 

seaotter

(576 posts)
9. What is your point?? Sound like its the old "its her turn" cry.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:34 PM
Feb 2016

Too bad. Bernie Sanders will be nominated at the Democratic Convention by acclamation

.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
65. She's earned the Presidency. No, she's earned the gratitude of the DNC and the Democrats for whom
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:02 PM
Feb 2016

she campaigned--unless she had her own motives for doing that. She hasn't earned my primary vote or a paved, clear path to the Oval Office.

 

seaotter

(576 posts)
68. Spot on. One must WIN the ELECTION to "earn" the Presidency.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:05 PM
Feb 2016

It is just this attitude that turns solo many off Hillary.

 

hoosierlib

(710 posts)
10. Just code for "its her turn" and "I wanna see a women President before I die"...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:35 PM
Feb 2016

And forget about him being more electable...Hillarians don't wanna here that...

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
15. Which is a good thing because it will take an independent to end corruption, spark a revolution,
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:39 PM
Feb 2016

and bring our country together in a way no partisan could.

WIN, Bernie, WIN!

Docreed2003

(16,863 posts)
18. This whole op-Ed is just sanctimonious horseshit...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:51 PM
Feb 2016

There are so many absolutely outrageous things that I could point out about this obviously biased exposition, but the one that stands out is the suggestion that "real democrats" were lined up against Citizens United prior to Sen Sanders. I know for fact that's a gross misstatement. I vividly remember the first "Brunch with Bernie" after CU and he was voiciferously opposed to it even then. In fact, on the left radio stations, TH was one of the few who came out strong against CU.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
22. He's raising money for an independent run for re-election in the Senate.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:55 PM
Feb 2016

So we all know he wears being a Democrat like a coat. He put it on when he was too cold to depend upon his principles for a presidential run and he will take it off after the election because by then it will be too hot for his independent run for re-election.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
28. Vermonters love Bernie. And we don't give a shit what outsiders
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:00 PM
Feb 2016

think about how he runs for his Senate seat.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
32. Bwahaha. Push all you want. The Vermont dem party
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:04 PM
Feb 2016

Will continue to support him. And not a fucking chance. You do know that Bernie polls 76% over Hill, right? You want to waste your time, go for it.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
44. LMAO! You think Bernie would lose to a challenger?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:37 PM
Feb 2016

Please please please throw every extra dollar you have towards that end.




jeff47

(26,549 posts)
23. Yesterday was "Sanders raises money for the party, and that's awful" day.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:56 PM
Feb 2016

Today is apparently "Sanders doesn't raise money for the party" day.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
24. FDR was a Democrat, right?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:57 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie's positions are light years closer to FDR's than HRC could get in a million years.

Ergo, he IS a Democrat. So, Fuck off.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
25. "Who is the best candidate? Who offers the best platform?"
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:57 PM
Feb 2016

What a bunch of party hacks think is a "Democrat" is the last question on any rational person's mind. If anything, "Democrats" of the last 30 years have offered nothing but neoliberal disaster.

This is a democracy, not a party dictatorship.

Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
36. I'm confused...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:20 PM
Feb 2016

...was informed he registered and became a Democrat. Saw him called "Sanders-I" on TV and was re-informed it was an error - it should be "Sanders-D" as he's running and people are voting for the Democrat. Sad if he's leaving again... I think he should stay a Democrat - we need more like him!

woodsprite

(11,916 posts)
37. In some cases, Sanders is more a democrat than some of the current ones who claim that title.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:23 PM
Feb 2016

And before anybody blows up about my comment, I'm specifically thinking about my Delaware democratic contingent (Carper was one of the founders of the DLC). But, there are others that fit the description as well.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
48. I agree. And if Bernie is not a Democrat than the rest of us New Deal Progressives are not either..
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:55 PM
Feb 2016

..and tell the DNC, the Democratic Congressional and Senatorial Campaign Committees and the various state committees to leave us all the fuck alone....

Bernie not a Democrat? Some people are really pissing me off.

I'm a Democrat, I consider Bernie a Democrat, and the Third Way can kiss my ass!

earthside

(6,960 posts)
42. The irony of it all.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:31 PM
Feb 2016

Particularly on the issues, Bernie Sanders is ten times the Democrat Hillary has ever been.

When is comes to placing a supreme importance on money in politics, Hillary is just as much a Repuglican as any of those running for that party's presidential nomination this year.





GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
45. More of the "plead guilty and claim everybody does it" defense
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:38 PM
Feb 2016

"the fund raising magic of the internet... allows (Sanders) to run his clean campaign." -- "magic"?!

Raising money from small donors on the internet is magic ? Who believes in unicorns NOW?


Vinca

(50,278 posts)
47. So you would have preferred he run as a third party candidate?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:44 PM
Feb 2016

That would have been the biggest gift to the GOP ever. There is no debate if the race was a GOP nominee, Hillary and Bernie, half the vote would be split between Hillary and Bernie and "The Donald" would have a victory of epic proportions.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
49. If he is no Democrat, then I am no Democrat. If I am not a Democrat.....
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:58 PM
Feb 2016

I am not obliged to vote party line anymore.

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
55. Excellent!
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:19 PM
Feb 2016

It's one of the reasons I like and support him.

Those pushing the "He's not a Democrat" might end up regretting those words in November if Hillary is the nominee.

 

TheBluestEye

(97 posts)
56. I see, Bernie hasn't spent years propping up the morally broken wing of The Democratic Party...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:21 PM
Feb 2016

Good for Bernie! Perhaps this election will teach Democrats that if they actually stand up and shout, with no shame, what their party members want to hear, they wouldn't have to go begging corporations. Liberal minded Americans would actually support their political efforts.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
57. There is no question Democratic politicians are being pressured greatly to support Hillary.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:23 PM
Feb 2016

At risk to their own careers, several have said so.

There is no question that DWS and/or Howard Dean has been bending over backwards to help Hillary. For just one thing, that debate schedule was no accident. For another, DWS lied about having consulted other members of the DNC.

There is no question that media coverage of Bernie has been biased. See the Tyndall Report. Some media outlets, while not admitting it was deliberate, have acknowledged their coverage of Bernie, prior to the Tyndall Report had been lacking.

Calling something a conspiracy theory does not make it false (or frivolous). http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?1706-Conspiracy-theories-Give-Ockham-s-Razor*-a-rest-now-and-again-will-ya Rather, your suggestion that there has been no conspiracy is unsupported and contrary to evidence that is out there.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
66. I've supported the Democratic Party
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:03 PM
Feb 2016

since I was old enough to vote, knock on doors, and right checks, and that's been since the early '70s. I must say that I am not a Third Way Clinton democrat like the democrats you praise, and I am proud not to be. If the Democratic Party establishment wants to remain a relevant political force, it should take stock of that and soon.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
78. LOL. So you have to be corrupt to be a true Democrat?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:09 PM
Feb 2016

And Sanders cannot be in the club because he is too clean?

Is that really the argument you ant to be making?

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