2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat."
"He has never put in the kind of grass roots work that active Democrats do to help other Democrats. He doesn't care about building the party up, only about changing it. And he spits on every Democrat who has to take PAC money to get elected, which is most Democrats who don't come from personal wealth. For, unlike candidates in Vermont, which has some of the cheapest media markets in the country for advertising, candidates in most states have to spend an enormous amount of money to get elected. The average Congressional candidate has to spend at least 3 or 4 million dollars to get their message out and even have a chance of winning; the average senate candidate has to spend upwards of 7 to 20 million dollars. And Bernie Sanders sits and makes the case that this is all dirty money, this is all money corrupting the system. But he's never had to raise that much before, and now he has national exposure and access to the fund raising magic of the internet, which allows him to run his clean campaign.
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Hillary Clinton has traveled the nation for over 25 years raising money for local Democrats. She's helped Democrats get elected to the House and Senate, and helped them to stay there. She is a proud member of a political party, the Democratic Party. She's eaten a million rubber chicken dinners to help raise money for local politicians from Maine to California. So when loyal, hard-working Democrats become Superdelegates, do not be surprised if they vote for Clinton almost without exception. It won't be a scandal or a conspiracy; it will be perfectly understandable."
From HuffPo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/monica-bauer/superdelegates-bernie-sanders_b_9263352.html
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,627 posts)He's more of a Democrat than Hillary is!
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djean111
(14,255 posts)Good to have that confirmed.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)with DWS. She accepted him, he agreed to her conditions and the deal was done.
I will ask again, given his surging popularity would you rather he ran as an Independent? Hmmm?
Chichiri
(4,667 posts)You know and I know that without the existing infrastructure of the Democratic Party, Bernie would have gotten exactly nowhere on an independent run -- and since he's in to win, not to spoil, he would not have tried.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)He certainly could have stopped the Dems from making progress. If that had been his intention he would have done that. But he wanted to play by the rules and not be a spoiler so why in the hell is he getting flack about all of this. So if you would have preferred that then since the Dems let him in, take it up with them. He is playing by the rules they set up.
He, as are you, as am I are free to criticize what we see and think is wrong. He has apparently said things about Democrats you don't care for. Many of us are not bothered by that because all that is is a chance to move the party in a different way. I would certainly prefer someone was out there to stop the rightway creep that has been going on since Reagan.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... and rightfully so, since his policy and issue positions are more aligned with what FDR was all about then than Hillary has been pushing!
I predict if this party ever rids of itself of the parasitic CANCER it has in it since the Koch Brothers used Al From to infect it with the DLC back in the day, that Bernie just might become a Democrat then, when it reflects his values more then like the earlier Democratic Party once did earlier.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)He is my kind of Democrat, even when he isn't one.
merrily
(45,251 posts)run for public office other than the anointee of the Democratic Party and to hell with the Constitution and democracy and the millions of Americans who think differently than you do?
BTW, which infrastructure of the Democratic Party has Bernie been using?
dragonfly301
(399 posts)Bernie Sanders is giving the Democratic Party is running as a Democrat. If he ran third party you could kiss your Hillary dream goodbye. Ask Ross Perot how that works - that's how Bill Clinton got elected.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)navarth
(5,927 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)hot off the presses!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511266699
the supers are not going to risk their own careers or the future of the dem party to go down with the hms clinton
not gonna happen. they see the writing on the wall already, so they and the m$$$$m can take their untimidation tactics and shove em
pinebox
(5,761 posts)I don't give a crap if you Hillary supporters want to scream this in the face, on the issues he is MORE of a Dem than Hillary ever can and will be.
Isn't it ironic that the person you are for acts more like a Republican while the guy who supposedly isn't a Dem is acting like one?
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)and for Bernie donating money to Democrats.
Which is it? Pick one argument or the other.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)If he'd been a spoiler they'd have the screaming meemies about that too. Hill fans want to have it all ways, just like weathervane Hill.
merrily
(45,251 posts)lasttrip
(1,013 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)For me, that's an unusual day. I hadn't noticed how much I really need that laugh until I saw your post. Thanks again. What a gift!
lasttrip
(1,013 posts)Peace.
LT
merrily
(45,251 posts)In the film, Bull Durham, a young woman who is about to be married, but is not a virgin, asks Susan Sarandon's character if she (the engaged woman) deserves to wear a white dress. Sarandon replies "Honey, we all do." We all deserve everything!
seaotter
(576 posts)Too bad. Bernie Sanders will be nominated at the Democratic Convention by acclamation
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merrily
(45,251 posts)she campaigned--unless she had her own motives for doing that. She hasn't earned my primary vote or a paved, clear path to the Oval Office.
seaotter
(576 posts)It is just this attitude that turns solo many off Hillary.
merrily
(45,251 posts)hoosierlib
(710 posts)And forget about him being more electable...Hillarians don't wanna here that...
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Why have primaries then?
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)Ya lost me at the OP title.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)and bring our country together in a way no partisan could.
WIN, Bernie, WIN!
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)Docreed2003
(16,863 posts)There are so many absolutely outrageous things that I could point out about this obviously biased exposition, but the one that stands out is the suggestion that "real democrats" were lined up against Citizens United prior to Sen Sanders. I know for fact that's a gross misstatement. I vividly remember the first "Brunch with Bernie" after CU and he was voiciferously opposed to it even then. In fact, on the left radio stations, TH was one of the few who came out strong against CU.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)I do care about the rampant corruption in the party.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)So we all know he wears being a Democrat like a coat. He put it on when he was too cold to depend upon his principles for a presidential run and he will take it off after the election because by then it will be too hot for his independent run for re-election.
cali
(114,904 posts)think about how he runs for his Senate seat.
I'll be pushing the DSCC to insure a REAL Democrat runs for the Vermont Senate seat.
cali
(114,904 posts)Will continue to support him. And not a fucking chance. You do know that Bernie polls 76% over Hill, right? You want to waste your time, go for it.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Let us know how that works out for you.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Please please please throw every extra dollar you have towards that end.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)and he'll blooooooow Bernie's house down!
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Today is apparently "Sanders doesn't raise money for the party" day.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Feel the Zen.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)Bernie's positions are light years closer to FDR's than HRC could get in a million years.
Ergo, he IS a Democrat. So, Fuck off.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)What a bunch of party hacks think is a "Democrat" is the last question on any rational person's mind. If anything, "Democrats" of the last 30 years have offered nothing but neoliberal disaster.
This is a democracy, not a party dictatorship.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Democrats these days....
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)This is a feature, not a bug.
Mike Nelson
(9,959 posts)...was informed he registered and became a Democrat. Saw him called "Sanders-I" on TV and was re-informed it was an error - it should be "Sanders-D" as he's running and people are voting for the Democrat. Sad if he's leaving again... I think he should stay a Democrat - we need more like him!
woodsprite
(11,916 posts)And before anybody blows up about my comment, I'm specifically thinking about my Delaware democratic contingent (Carper was one of the founders of the DLC). But, there are others that fit the description as well.
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)..and tell the DNC, the Democratic Congressional and Senatorial Campaign Committees and the various state committees to leave us all the fuck alone....
Bernie not a Democrat? Some people are really pissing me off.
I'm a Democrat, I consider Bernie a Democrat, and the Third Way can kiss my ass!
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)Particularly on the issues, Bernie Sanders is ten times the Democrat Hillary has ever been.
When is comes to placing a supreme importance on money in politics, Hillary is just as much a Repuglican as any of those running for that party's presidential nomination this year.
awake
(3,226 posts)She is a nice "New England Repubican"
Avalux
(35,015 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)"the fund raising magic of the internet... allows (Sanders) to run his clean campaign." -- "magic"?!
Raising money from small donors on the internet is magic ? Who believes in unicorns NOW?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Impertinent whippersnapper!
Vinca
(50,278 posts)That would have been the biggest gift to the GOP ever. There is no debate if the race was a GOP nominee, Hillary and Bernie, half the vote would be split between Hillary and Bernie and "The Donald" would have a victory of epic proportions.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I am not obliged to vote party line anymore.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)cause Dems aren't real popular right now.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)so GOOD!
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)It's one of the reasons I like and support him.
Those pushing the "He's not a Democrat" might end up regretting those words in November if Hillary is the nominee.
TheBluestEye
(97 posts)Good for Bernie! Perhaps this election will teach Democrats that if they actually stand up and shout, with no shame, what their party members want to hear, they wouldn't have to go begging corporations. Liberal minded Americans would actually support their political efforts.
merrily
(45,251 posts)At risk to their own careers, several have said so.
There is no question that DWS and/or Howard Dean has been bending over backwards to help Hillary. For just one thing, that debate schedule was no accident. For another, DWS lied about having consulted other members of the DNC.
There is no question that media coverage of Bernie has been biased. See the Tyndall Report. Some media outlets, while not admitting it was deliberate, have acknowledged their coverage of Bernie, prior to the Tyndall Report had been lacking.
Calling something a conspiracy theory does not make it false (or frivolous). http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?1706-Conspiracy-theories-Give-Ockham-s-Razor*-a-rest-now-and-again-will-ya Rather, your suggestion that there has been no conspiracy is unsupported and contrary to evidence that is out there.
Chichiri
(4,667 posts)...you'd almost think I'd said something thaht was untrue...
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)since I was old enough to vote, knock on doors, and right checks, and that's been since the early '70s. I must say that I am not a Third Way Clinton democrat like the democrats you praise, and I am proud not to be. If the Democratic Party establishment wants to remain a relevant political force, it should take stock of that and soon.
smiley
(1,432 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)And Sanders cannot be in the club because he is too clean?
Is that really the argument you ant to be making?