eleven threads right now about SUPERDELEGATES on front page, you know what that tells me?

[restorefreedom]

that the clinton team is in meltdown

that their internals in nevada and beyond, perhaps even in sc, are awful

that they have nothing left but to try and demoralize and discourage bernie supporters because their nondescript message is failing

that they don't even care anymore that this rhetoric will fuel bernie's candidacy even more by exposing insider politics and epitomizes the very problem that is envigorating outsider candidates

THEY ARE IN PANIC MODE AND IT IS SHOWING

[libtodeath]

1. I think they are trying to tell the people

to smile and get ready to eat the shit sandwich they plan on serving us.

[TheFarS1de]

6. If that is the case

then they will be the ones gobbling down a diarrhea desert in the end .

[seaotter]

2. The putrid stench of desperation fills the interwebs.

[riversedge]

3. Well, just glanced and saw 3 threads on superdelegates from a Sanders fan. Your's makes 4

[restorefreedom]

18. touche. but mine is about

it being about superdelegates

kind of the meta of supers, if you will, with added political commentary



oh and kind of not a fan of the word fan, although you probably used fan instead of supporter for brevity. i have been tempted to do that for faster typing

[berniepdx420]

34. You really don't get it do you .....

[workinclasszero]

4. It tells me that Bernie fans know he is toast in a couple of weeks

And are scared shitless over it.

[roguevalley]

14. no. in my state he's over her by 14. If you know alaska like I did, its amazing. Given that a state

like alaska can do that all of them can and the polls? They poll land lines. The great mass of voters are on cells. That is why I am happy

[frylock]

33. Bernie fans already know this thing is over.

It may take you a few months to come to grips.

[berniepdx420]

37. I agree... and let's keep working.. we need a large progressive revolution in order to fix the

gerrymandering so we can take back our House

[frylock]

38. word up

[Roland99]

74. ...for Hillary

there, finished your reply title for you

[smiley]

51. The condescension from Hillary supporters....

Is enough for me to regain my status as an independent voter.

[Dem2]

58. For essentially repeating what the O/P said?

Reading DU when I like both candidates is very odd.

[stonecutter357]

56. +1000

[nichomachus]

72. I hate to be the one to tell you

But if the elite superdelegates frustrate the will of the people, you can kiss your "first woman president" idea goodbye, along with both houses of Congress, and up to four SCOTUS seats.

Hillary and her gang, with their scorched-earthand mudslinging campaign tactics, have turned off hundreds of thousands of people. I hope the superdelegates are ready to vote over and over and over to push her into the White House. Otherwise, she's toast -- and you won't even get the burnt crumbs she's promising after all.

[nashville_brook]

5. can't wait for overreaching at tonight's "town hall"

when they're in panic mode, she doubles down on stupid stuff. always worth watching.

[stillwaiting]

11. Enjoy. I can't watch her.

If I'm going to have to vote for her (which is a possibility) it's best I don't watch her and change my mind because she can piss me right off that's for sure.

[pscot]

64. Agreed

It may be necessary to vote for her, i'd rather not watch her.

[nashville_brook]

69. the hubby REALLY doesn't want me to put it on!

maybe with the sound down and subtitles

[PonyUp]

88. I can't watch her either. If she was to win the general election, I'd have to get rid of my TV. n/t

[classykaren]

53. Yes maybe more dog barking.

[olddots]

7. the Hillary people won't have to eat the poop sandwich

they don't eat bread . badda bing alertomatic joke

[seaotter]

8. Hillary will let you off the hook before the convention.

[boston bean]

9. You think that means Clinton campaign is in meltdown??

[restorefreedom]

20. no. i am sure they have been reassured by her plummeting poll numbers. nt

[Stuckinthebush]

48. March is going to be a hard month

For many around here.

[INdemo]

66. Hillary nor was her campaign advisors and Bill prepared for a challenger

When Bernie Sanders entered the race they thought he would be out the first week or so and Hillary would have a clear patch to the anointment.Well Surprise,surprise...as it turns out Bernie is still here with a Caucus tie in Iowa and a Blow out Victory in NH with a strong possibility of a win in NV and possible win in SC....
On to Super Tuesday...Hillary does not have the organization in the Super Tuesday states and questionable funding for the super Tuesday fight..After SC she will be out somewhere begging her deep pocket friends for more money and Bernie Sanders will be on to Super Tuesday with a well organized volunteer base to greet him in those states...

[MohRokTah]

10. .

[Spazito]

12. LOL!

This is sarcasm, right?

[restorefreedom]

21. nope. please see #9 for more info nt

[Spazito]

22. Oh dear, your OP is serious?

Well then.....thanks for the laugh anyway!

[restorefreedom]

23. my pleasure. have a fine evening. nt

[Trajan]

41. What's funny

When I saw that emoticon, I knew there was only one thing to do ...

Bye

[Spazito]

42. Bye!

[Stuckinthebush]

47. It is funny

Melt down!!

Lord.

[UglyGreed]

13. All bluster

no substance.......

[roguevalley]

15. book mark this thread for Saturday night. :D

[UglyGreed]

17. There's gonna be a lot of this

Saturday night......

[restorefreedom]

24. i think there is a little too much nail there...

they must be down to the nubs by now.....

[UglyGreed]

25. Good point

but I did not want to get too gory with the image

[restorefreedom]

26. oh, i can understand that lol! nt

[UglyGreed]

29. This may work

and not too offensive.....

[restorefreedom]

31. love it! nt

[JTFrog]

16. How many of them were started by these so called panicked Clinton team members?

[demwing]

19. Fight an anti-establishment campaign by crushing it with an establishment boot

And risk creating an insurgent rebellion.

If the Clinton camp were smart, they'd try to paint Bernie as the establishment candidate, call him a career politician of 50 years, the longest sitting Ind in Conress, etc...

But they're not smart, they're penny wise and pound foolish.

Please continue, Madam Secretary...

[randys1]

27. I was just reading how Walker in WI is trying to kill pregnant Women, and then I see this

stuff again.

sigh

If only you folks could focus on actual enemies of human life


https://news.yahoo.com/wisconsin-blocks-federal-funds-reaching-planned-parenthood-203930663.html

Oh wait, not just pregnant Women, my bad, ALL Women.

[restorefreedom]

28. i think that identifying and supporting the candidate with the best chance

of winning a ge is doing exactly that

[cui bono]

85. Just curious...

can you point me to where you chastise Hilary supporters for their OPs?

Thanks.

.

[Lucinda]

30. Naw...we're all just killing time until the 20th and retreading topics. n/t

[restorefreedom]

32. lol. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. I actually tend to agree

this is 2008 all over again. Same shit, different election cycle. And I think earlier too. But my memory might be failing

[TTUBatfan2008]

62. I don't agree.

Hillary's support among minorities is holding up a lot stronger than it did in 2008. She will be the nominee, but the proportional delegate system along with a strong small donor network will allow Sanders to go all the way to the convention if he wants.

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. Her hold was just as strong until Nevada

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/barone/2008/08/14/hillary-clinton-and-the-black-vote-should-have-seen-it-coming-or-going

this is why Saturday is a make or break election for both campaigns

[George II]

36. Well, since the OPs are pretty much from Sanders supporters, I'd say it is just the opposite.

And I seriously doubt that the Clinton team is too worried - as of this afternoon, 538 has a 75% chance of Clinton winning in Nevada and >99% chance of winning South Carolina.

I like those odds.

[kenn3d]

39. Keep the pressure on them

Sign the petition:
http://pac.petitions.moveon.org/sign/tell-the-democratic-superdel?source=s.fwd&r_by=14706170

[Trajan]

40. I don't see any of that ...

Go Bernie!

[DrDan]

43. lol

[TIME TO PANIC]

44. Basically, they're bragging that the process is rigged in their candidates favor.

Shameful.

[classykaren]

54. Isn't that shameful for a Democrat to do?

[Beacool]

45. Yawn..........

Wishful thinking on your part.

[Nyan]

46. And the campaign started spending SuperPAC money so...

Yeah. They know they're in trouble.

[Cassiopeia]

49. They've been that way for a while.

It hit a high a few days before NH but has achieved even greater fervor since. The numbers in NV have sent them into an absolute fury.

How could this possibly happen? Well it might be the only thing inevitable about Hillary, the ability to blow it.

[VerseX]

50. So how do you Clinton supporters expect to win the general?

I have seen an awful lot of people who, like me, will refuse to vote for Clinton if she wins the nomination by shady means.

[merrily]

52. Maybe it's not a meltdown. Maybe those were simply the instructions for today.

On the other hand, I do wonder about people who say they support Bernie--or democracy for that matter--and defend the institution of superdelegates or insist it should be changed, if ever, only after this primary.

[LynneSin]

76. You think anyone from the Clinton campaign cares what is posted here

Or for that matter the Sanders campaign.

I think we have two 'Alpha Dogs' trying to win the hearts and minds of those of us who are undecided or just don't care who wins the Democratic Primary (with 2 left i think it's more of the latter).

People who are supporting Bernie know they are supporting him and same with the Hillary folks. The rest of us are just waiting for the Primaries to be done so we can get busy electing the winner to the White House.

[merrily]

77. I KNOW they do. I can't even imagine why you think they don't. It's the biggest Democratic board on

the net, owned by someone whose spouse worked for Hillary. (Don't know if she still does.) And I know for a fact that the DNC and each major Democratic politician hires posters, as does the government Again, I have no idea why anyone would think otherwise. Tons of money, perqs and power are at stake. Posters don't cost anything compared to a couple of TV ads.

[SheilaT]

55. What it tells me is that a lot of people

apparently only read the threads they themselves start. That's pretty much the only reason I can figure out for the constant presence of duplicate threads.

[TTUBatfan2008]

57. Shrug...

I think both sides are focusing way too much on the Super Delegates. I think we should just sit back and wait to see how the votes turn out in each state. It's very possible and even very likely that Clinton will win by a pretty comfortable margin in the actual voting. Seems like too much analysis has been placed on the Super Delegate situation when it's not likely to have an impact on the outcome.

[PatrynXX]

59. once they started telling voters

Especially shows with an independent streak they don't want their votes that was the end of that. I'm not sure if Bernie has a group but I never thought to ban someone because I didn't agree with them.

[BlueMTexpat]

60. Yes, HRC and her supporters are in

FULL PANIC MODE, indeed.

The threads you are talking about are primarily from SBS supporters who either

- don't understand what SuperDs are (check out Wiki for one of the best overviews: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate)

- think SuperDs are a DNC/HRC conspiracy specifically against SBS (since SuperDs were created in 1984, this is somewhat like the Obama "birthers" who believe that his Hawaii birth certificate was faked in 1961 so that he could run for President in 2008)

- are sure that they are unconstitutional (they are not; they are unique rules for the Democratic Party and, as such, are not subject to the Constitution)

- are sure that they will sabotage the Nominating Convention in Hillary's favor (they won't; as Hillary herself did in 2008 - even though she actually won the popular vote by some 300,000 - the candidate with the smaller number of pledged delegates, i.e., the one that did not win the majority of state primaries/caucuses, will concede to the candidate with the larger number of pledged delegates, i.e., the one that won the majority of state primaries/caucuses and will release his/her SuperDs to vote as they wish during the Nominating Convention)

But please proceed. We are keeping calm and carrying on.

[joshcryer]

61. That they found something to rile up Sanders supporters

[mgmaggiemg]

63. they were just endorsed by latinos in nevada

[restorefreedom]

67. who was endorsed by "latinos in nevada"

and even if it was hillary, surely you are not suggesting ALL latinos endorsed her..... maybe a specific political group?

[mgmaggiemg]

70. HRC

farmworkers

[restorefreedom]

71. i am sure there will be some on both sides....nt

[mgmaggiemg]

73. look it up or go to daily kos

they already have made their announcement official in advertising

[restorefreedom]

80. i believe you

i am just suggesting that, as all groups, there is not uniformity in thought or candidates.

[olddots]

68. I just almost fell for the flame bait

be carefull people .

[LynneSin]

75. And that differs how from the dozen of Bernie polls on any other day

Honestly, I can't wait for the primaries to be done so I can get busy helping the democratic winner get elected.

I thought the Obama vs. Clinton was bad in 2008 here at DU but 2016 it's worse with the Bernie vs Hillary. So much nitpicking when in the end I think those that are decided aren't changing their mind anyways.

And in the end no matter what negative thing someone says about any of the Democratic Candidates - they are a far cry better than any GOP candidate.

BTW I was a Biden supporter and since he isn't running I'll be happy to support Clinton or Sanders. And if Biden was running and lost, I'd support whomever beat him in the primaries. That's just how I roll!

[restorefreedom]

82. its too bad that biden's personal tragedy changed everything for him

and the party. i wonder how things would have shaken out if he was in the mix.

[LynneSin]

89. Seriously! I think we'd have a great three-way race

I think Joe Biden, while flawed in some of his past voting, had great qualities found in both Sanders in Clinton.

We folks here in Delaware had big expectations from Beau Biden - we all expected him to be our next Governor.

A tragedy like that takes alot out of a person, no parent ever expects to bury their own child. But in the end that's why I would support Sanders or Clinton in the general election. I know that's what Joe Biden would want his supporters to do.

[restorefreedom]

90. it sucks when your guy is not running

i think biden would have brought an interesting piece of the conversation, and my guess is the level of decorum would be much higher. he definitely would not be campaigning in the gutter

but he needed to look after himself and his family. i am sure he will have a place in public life if he chooses.

[LynneSin]

91. It sucks but I think there are 2 other great democrats running

And I'd be happy to support either of them in the general election. This is why I remain uncommitted now, I don't need the stress of party infighting. My primary is late in the season so it won't really matter how Delaware votes come our primary election. If the Democrat nominee is decided by then I may just write in Joe Biden's name out of respect for our homestate guy!

[restorefreedom]

92. a write in..,there ya go

i bet you would not be the only one!

[LynneSin]

97. Only for the primaries

and only if the nomination has been pretty much decided by the time ours rolls around.

[Metric System]

78. LOL

[Not Sure]

79. The specter of superdelegates overriding a winning candidate is unsettling

If this actually happens, I would expect such a split to cause the party a mortal wound. I'm sure superdelegates are aware of this and I doubt many would risk destroying the party to go against the will of the voters whose votes they'll need to have any meaning in the general election. Just my two cents.

[restorefreedom]

81. i agree. i heard one today already say

we will have to see how it goes." they are aware of the blowback and are already making sure the back door is handy

[CentralMass]

86. I suspect that it is paycheck for many of them.

[Yog-Sothoth]

83. Since those threads apparently are mostly started by Sanders supporters it tells me...

...they're upset about not having the 45-1 superdelegate advantage Clinton enjoys because they are supporting a radical candidate against which the superdelegates were specifically designed to help protect the party and country...

[restorefreedom]

94. you mean overriding the will of the voters?

not something i would be proud of if i were them, especially this year.

[stopbush]

84. Tells me there are a bunch of DINOs here who haven't a clue as to

how the Democratic Party nominates its presidential candidates.

It will all be a moot point once Hillary racks up enough delegates in the coming primaries, which could happen by mid March.

[CentralMass]

87. We know how they do it. By throwing out or dividing up vote in states like Florida and Michigan.

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Running shady counting practice in caucus states. Loading up with superdelegates who peddle influence for a living. Etc.. We get it.

[amborin]

93. agree; and

the ny times is shilling non-stop; front page headline today about the superdelegates

good to see all the comments crying false and foul

[restorefreedom]

95. even shep smith, and he used to be somewhat fair

its clear that the gop wants to run against clinton so they are going to prop her up all the way. plus, tptb win with a clinton presidency or gop.

trump might mess it up for them, since he is anti tpp.

what a shame....,

[kgnu_fan]

96. what is important is to overcome undemocratic machine wihtin this party