Hillary is dominating Bernie after picking up 87 more superdelegates.

[Chichiri]

From PoliticusUSA: http://www.politicususa.com/2016/02/18/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-picking-87-superdelegates.html

Clinton is crushing Sanders in the delegate primary. While pundits and supporters are focused on the popular vote, Hillary Clinton has been cleaning up with delegates. Thanks to her superdelegate advantage, close defeats are as good as victories for Hillary Clinton. South Carolina will award 59 delegates to 43 for the Nevada caucuses, and Clinton remains poised for a double-digit victory in South Carolina.

The Clinton campaign is campaigning hard in Texas with an eye towards the 252 delegates that will be awarded in the Lone Star State on March 1 (Super Tuesday). The Clinton camp is also focused on Georgia (116 delegates) and Virginia (110 delegates) as top Super Tuesday targets.

Unless Bernie Sanders pulls off a big win in Nevada, Hillary Clinton could be poised to go on a big delegate run over the next two weeks.

And yes, superdelegates count. They've fought and worked for the Democratic Party for years and decades, they have earned the right to have more of a say than your average Joe on the street, and they have the right to say who they're voting for. Full stop.

[madfloridian]

1. "they have earned the right to have more of a say than your average Joe"

Well, bless her heart for being ahead in superdelegates. None of those average Joes for her. No sir.

[cleopotrick]

14. "they've fought and worked for the Democratic Party for years and decades"

luminaries with vaguely good intentions, madly profiteering off our democracy's decaying corpse, god bless them, every one!

[madfloridian]

46. ......

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. She wins the nom this way, it will blow up the party

and I personally will enjoy that show.

[Persondem]

30. Oh, but it's ok for independent voters to mess around with Democratic party politics.

Take the Indies out and Sanders would already be toast.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. You can take that with your state party

remember you have 51 state parties at play here.

And I personally prefer muscular primaries.

Oh and I mean it, as a reporter I will enjoy the show, but will have to order bucketfuls of ink am afraid.

[madfloridian]

47. Heck, some of the best people I know are indies.

[frylock]

75. I'd be more than happy to register as a Democrat if I had to in order to vote in your primary.

And then I would turn right around and unregister.

[bunnies]

113. No Democrat can win a general without Indie support.

Keep shitting on them though. Its working well for your candidate so far.

[uponit7771]

60. The establishment always has temper tantrums when they lose power

[Kall]

3. How to destroy a political party and forfeit a general election in 2 easy steps:

1. Override the will of voted delegates with superdelegates.
2. You're done.

[noretreatnosurrender]

4. All Equal Except Some More Equal

They've fought and worked for the Democratic Party for years and decades, they have earned the right to have more of a say than your average Joe on the street, and they have the right to say who they're voting for. Full stop.

Surely you don't believe this?

[FlatBaroque]

11. You must not have taken Clintonian Ethics 101 /

[noretreatnosurrender]

18. lol

Boy am I glad that I didn't. I would have flunked because there is no way I would agree with THAT statement.

[greenman3610]

5. go Hilary

She is still our most likely standard bearer, and those on this site and others who insist on tarring and tearing her down are doing the same work as those that said "There's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush".
We have that attitude to thank for George Bush, 9-11, the Iraq war, Citizens United, the economic collapse, and continued inaction on climate change.
So when you see the circular firing squad forming, remember that there is an overriding priority here, that is keeping the Supreme Court, and the nuclear codes for God's sake, away from the like of Trump, Cruz, and Rubio.
Have a thought, people.

[noretreatnosurrender]

20. One questions...

Just curious - do you agree with this statement?

They've fought and worked for the Democratic Party for years and decades, they have earned the right to have more of a say than your average Joe on the street, and they have the right to say who they're voting for. Full stop.

[peacebird]

6. Super delegates can and do change their endorsements. Several already have.

I seriously doubt they will stick with Hillary if their own states go Bernie.

[cascadiance]

13. I guess those that are elected will. The lobbyist appointees Lee Fang talks about probably won't!

They know that voters aren't in any power over them, but the Koch brothers and other oligarch overlords are!

[GummyBearz]

7. Super delegates have just as much power in the general election, right?

I mean, why else would they be allowed to sway a primary unless they can sway a general. This must be the way Hillary will beat the republican candidate.

[FlatBaroque]

8. They've EARNED the right to subvert the will of the electorate

THAT would be the absolute perfect and most fitting way for Hillary, Inc. to acquire the Presidency.

[frylock]

78. She won't aquire the Presidency that way.

That shit will blow right up in their faces.

[cascadiance]

9. Proud of this process that SUBVERTS DEMOCRACY are we?...

Go ahead, and keep chanting that and see how many voters support that notion of NON-representative voting!

[cali]

10. Unpledged

[Nanjeanne]

12. And this is something to be proud of?

[lasttrip]

15. wow. "they have earned the right to have more of a say than your average Joe"

Thanks for the post Chichiri.
Peace.
LT

[RobertEarl]

16. Only on paper

Their support of H is paper thin. Paper can be Berned very easily.

[MohRokTah]

17. The MOST BEAUTIFUL thing about the Super Delgates going for Hillary?

She won't need single one of them to win the nomination.

[madfloridian]

49. That sig pic you guys use is not helping her cause.

Neither is the swatting of the flies.

[MohRokTah]

50. Sure it is.

If you don't like the it's your problem, not mine. I am not trying to win somebody like you over as I know your mind i already made up.

[madfloridian]

58. What about undecideds? Do you care about them?

[MohRokTah]

61. I don't believe my signature will affect undecideds.

There are damned few of those on DU. Most left long ago in disgust.

[frylock]

80. Let them wallow in their hatred.

Maybe they'll get ulcers.

[Live and Learn]

112. Who exactly are you trying to win over here with your awful tactics?

Do you seriously think that most people that read DU haven't already decided? And, I doubt your tactics would ever win anybody over at all.

What exactly are you selling? Your vote doesn't matter? Good sales tactic!

[John Poet]

108. Hillary draws flies?

That's how that graphic-combo looks to me.

Must be the stench of dirty money calling them in.

[Live and Learn]

111. +10,000 nt

[corkhead]

19. "they have earned the right to have more of a say than your average Joe on the street"? Bullshit.

No they haven't. This is supposed to be the "Democratic" party, not the "Ironically Named Democratic Party"

[left-of-center2012]

21. The best candidate money can buy

[oasis]

24. And promises of freebies is not considered buying an election.

Got it.

[Rilgin]

36. Get your memes right.

Just last week it was Bernie's going to tax us all to death. So which is it. Will he tax us to death or will he give us all freebies. I am totally confused.

Actually I am not. Hillary is an old school candidate who will say anything during the primaries, change it to say something different in a GE and then govern as a neocon and corporatist with respect to the economy and foreign policy with some nods to women's rights and some minor democratic policies if she gets in office.

[oasis]

103. Promises, promises. That's what captures the imagination of the

average Joe/Jill. In the "gimme now,I'll worry about the details later" society we live in, they are perfect targets.

More sophisticated voters are concerned about a tax burden and aren't so easily taken in.

[whatchamacallit]

22. Nothing inspires more faith in democracy than being told some folks votes matter more than yours

What a fucking disgusting post.

[tkmorris]

23. "they have earned the right to have more of a say than your average Joe on the street"

That is the most UNDEMOCRATIC bullshit I have EVER heard spouted anywhere. FUCK that noise. Fuck that and fuck it again until it is dead and buried in the annals of history. I can't believe anyone would even think such a thing let alone say it aloud. That is fucking EMBARRASSING.

[Art_from_Ark]

33. You said it!

[femmedem]

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[tkmorris]

40. Well that's refreshing at least

I can't believe that anyone would support "kingmakers" in a Democratic country but the rhetoric I have seen around here of late has been alarming to say the least.

[fun n serious]

59. Wow. A lot of frivolous flagging nt

[femmedem]

62. Thank you! I appreciate that we support different candidates

but agree that this is a misuse of the alert button. We all need to talk and listen to each other, not silence each other for some colorful language or differing opinions.

[frylock]

83. People are more offended by a few fuck bombs than the subversion of democracy.

Is it any wonder that party membership is in decline?

[Buns_of_Fire]

25. Hey, show some respect to the SuperDelegates, you insignificant peons!

They kissed a lot of ass to get where they are! Have YOU kissed as much ass? No, I didn't think so. Otherwise, you'd be a SuperDelegate too, rubbing elbows with the other elites and basking in the glow of their combined superiority instead of sitting there reading this and sipping on a warm beer. Amirite?

That said, I don't see them being used to tip the nomination to one candidate or the other. But wouldn't THAT be a convention worth watching! An entire political party self-immolating before our very eyes!

[noretreatnosurrender]

27. Perfect

Laughed out loud on your comment. Now we can have both Parties destroying themselves. Good grief.

[Buns_of_Fire]

35. Thank you. And welcome. nt

[noretreatnosurrender]

44. Thank you

Good to be here.

[whatchamacallit]

32. +1

[noretreatnosurrender]

26. Voting for post

People need to see this post and discuss this horrible idea.

they have earned the right to have more of a say than your average Joe on the street, and they have the right to say who they're voting for. Full stop.

I am voting for a REC to keep it out there not because I agree.

[lasttrip]

28. +1.

Thanks post noretreatnosurrender.
Peace.
LT

[noretreatnosurrender]

45. Thank you

[MelissaB]

38. As a Bernie supporter, I started to do the same thing.

I just surfed facebook and people (not people on DU, either) are pissed. If the super delegtes decide an election, there will hell to pay.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

29. Full stop! Indeed

A full stop to our chance for a good candidate.

[99Forever]

31. Sounds like the best way I can imagine to permanently...

... lose a significant number of Democratic votes in every election for the foreseeable future.


JUST FUCKING BRILLIANT!

[MelissaB]

39. It would be the end of the democratic party. n/t

[mhatrw]

41. It's amazing how much Clinton supporters LOVE to crow about how RIGGED the Dem primaries are!

Don't pay attention to that little thing called democracy!

Clinton has a HUGE lead when it comes to overturning the wishes of Democratic voters!

While poor Sanders is out there campaigning his heart out for the support of regular people, the Clintons are busy bribing party elites, twisting arms, and calling in favors!

[Kittycat]

42. "THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING"

enough said.

[nichomachus]

43. Thank heaven the people don't have to bother voting. The elite can choose our candidates.

If Hillary is pushed into the nomination by the superdelegates, you can kiss the White House, the Congress, and maybe four Supreme Court seats goodbye. Enjoy!

[Chichiri]

68. I still don't understand why elite is bad.

Don't we want our leaders to be smart and savvy? More so than us?

[frylock]

88. Who says they are?

[TheFarS1de]

89. It has been a long dry between drinks

Also what qualifications does one need for an elected position ? Apart from a truckload of cash .

[restorefreedom]

48. its too bad that hillary is doing so poorly

she has to try and pull out the "i have superdelegates and you dont" club

says a lot about the state of the campaign.

[leftupnorth]

51. Wow, I was going to vote in the primary, but I guess I won't now.

Thanks for saving me the time. I'll take the family out for ice cream that day instead.

[Chichiri]

69. How about this:

Go vote for Hillary, and then take your family out for ice cream.

[frylock]

90. That's the end goal of these posts after all.

[seaotter]

52. The value of them is nil, until and if they get a vote at the convention.

Bernie Sanders will be nominated by acclamation at the convention.

[libtodeath]

53. Guess the scotus in 2000 were simply super delegates.

[cigsandcoffee]

55. More of a say than your average Joe on the street...

...all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

That's a lovely, egalitarian strategy.

[bkkyosemite]

56. They haven't earned any rights. The peoples vote is what should count only!

[Bettie]

57. Speaks to a strong desire to go back to backroom politics

where a bunch of guys in smoky rooms make the decision rather than the people.

"they have earned the right to have more of a say than your average Joe on the street"

Why don't you just say what you mean?

You don't want a vote, you don't want a primary, you wanted a march to the convention and then a coronation and you're mad you didn't get that.

Maybe if Clinton is the nominee, she can demand a change in the process and simply eliminate all primaries and just have the people in charge decide. Get the unwashed masses out of the whole thing to make it easier for those chosen by the .01%.

[Chichiri]

73. Smoky rooms? Really?

Is it possible, just possible, that you've got one or two stereotypes going there?

[californiabernin]

63. All the superdelegates will vote for Sanders if he wins the pledged delegates. nt

[Chichiri]

72. That might be true. But don't worry, he won't. nt

[californiabernin]

87. I'm not worried. nt

[CentralMass]

96. It didn't work that way in 2008.

[rocktivity]

64. The Politics USA reporter must be less than eight years old.

The difference today is that I guess they figure they can psychologically batter us from day one, so we'll accept it with the same inevitability that we did Bush's Gulf wars.


rocktivity

[Chichiri]

71. Okay, that confused me, until I realized it was from 2008.

In which Clinton never held more than a hundred superdelegate lead -- as opposed to, say, 450 superdelegates today.

Maybe, and this is just a shot in the dark, maybe these superdelegates know that Hillary would be better than Bernie? I know, I know, corporategreedwallstreetestablishmentcorruptionbigdonorsevilevilevil, but isn't it just possible that they have the party's and progressivism's best interests in mind?

[rocktivity]

102. But is it in the voters' best interests

to make such a determination so prematurely?


rocktivity

[Chichiri]

105. Prematurely? They've known them for a long time.

Particularly the congress critters have known Bernie for a long time.

[workinclasszero]

65. Your time is growing short

Bernie.

[Matariki]

66. Shameful

And shameful commentary. And wrong.

[berni_mccoy]

67. How many were lobbyists?

[intrepidity]

70. Superdelegates. Just like money. Earning the right to more say than the average Joe.

How positively democratic.

[Chichiri]

77. You ever volunteer for the party?

I don't mean for Bernie, or for any other one candidate, I mean for the Democratic Party. The overarching ideal. Did you spend years working for little or no money? Perhaps run in a hopeless local race in a rural area year after year after year because nobody else would do it? Have you spent years and decades tearing your heart out of your chest for what you knew would be little or no return?

Just like money. Shame on you.

[intrepidity]

85. And what do volunteers to homeless shelters get, hmmmm?

Explain the me what you think "volunteer" actually means.

[Chichiri]

92. Due respect, one would hope. nt

[grntuscarora]

74. Wow.

The smug superiority that infuses the Dem establishment never ceases to amaze me:

"And yes, superdelegates count. They've fought and worked for the Democratic Party for years and decades, they have earned the right to have more of a say than your average Joe on the street, and they have the right to say who they're voting for. Full stop."

And voters have a right to say "Fuck this rigged system, I'll stay home." And I don't think I'd blame them for feeling that way.

[davidn3600]

76. If Superdelegates do this....you will have a President Trump

[Chichiri]

81. Let me guess.

"It's not a threat, it's a promise." Right?

[frylock]

93. It's reality.

[WiffenPoof]

79. Animal Farm

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”?
-Orwell

[Chichiri]

82. Can I have a say in how your family spends your next paycheck?

I mean, you believe in democracy, right?

[WiffenPoof]

94. Not Sure I Understand...Perhaps I'm Slow....

...after all, I'm a Bernie supporter.


I am my brother's keeper...

Inherent in our system exists forces that already have a say on how I spend my next paycheck.

Like I said...I may not fully understand your point.

[JackInGreen]

84. Party to voter

"Our chosen count more than you, accept their judgement."

...

No.

In response: please, attempt airial intercourse with an oscillating pastry. I hope you catch the leading edge.

[basselope]

86. Good luck with that.

Let's see what happens if the Super delegates overturn the will of the majority.

[Chichiri]

95. They won't.

Short of a personal catastrophe that literally leaves Bernie the last guy standing, Hillary's going to blow him right out of the water.

[WiffenPoof]

97. I Admire Your Passion...

...and optimism.

[frylock]

98. June 2015 called.

[basselope]

100. LMAO!!!!

You mean like she did in New Hampshire and Iowa?

The race is 50/50 at best right now and Bernie is just getting started.

Her Nevada firewall has crumbled and the SC one is falling apart right before our eyes.

[WiffenPoof]

101. And didn't I see today....

...that Bernie has pulled ahead 47 to 44 on a National level? This is the first time he has pulled ahead on a national poll.

[AtomicKitten]

99. The score is 36 - 32 advantage Bernie. Superdelegates counted separately; weigh in at convention.

[dflprincess]

104. Super delegates are just today's

Equivalent of the smoke filler backroom.

Though I don't think the rank and file will roll over if they throw the nomination to Clinton.

[Chichiri]

106. Seriously, smoke filled backroom?

Have all the Bernie fans here been watching Humphrey Bogart films or something?

[Joe the Revelator]

107. It's a very common saying. I'm sorry you've never heard of it before.

[delrem]

109. From "85% support" and "so popular she's unstoppable",

to being forced to count on superdelegates after losing the popular vote.

Cool. Crow about it, if that turns your crank.

[Live and Learn]

110. There you go again, counting chickens befoe they have hatched. nt