Crickets as Clyburn endorses Hillary because the room was all Bernie supporters! lol

[pinebox]

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You can't make this shit up! lol

Snippet below, full article at link...

Jim Clyburn Endorses Hillary Clinton — In A Room Full Of Bernie Supporters
The students of historically black Allen University in South Carolina that came to watch Clyburn’s endorsement are Feeling the Bern. “It’s clear that he’s trying to relate to us.”
http://www.buzzfeed.com/darrensands/jim-clyburn-endorses-hillary-clinton-in-a-room-full-of-berni#.ceKpo9M1j



COLUMBIA, South Carolina — Two rows of students warmly greeted Rep. Jim Clyburn when he walked into Allen University’s student center on Friday morning to endorse Hillary Clinton — perhaps the most significant endorsement of her campaign, delivered here on a historically black campus.

Clyburn didn’t bother to be introduced by a student or constituent. It was just him, his speech, the cameras — and something about the occasion being as good as any to skip a class.
“And I believe,” he said, launching into his central applause line, “that the future of the Democratic Party and the United States of America will be best served with the experiences and know how of Hillary Clinton as our 45th president.”
But there wasn’t any applause.

Many of the students in the room told BuzzFeed News that they are, in fact, supporting Bernie Sanders.
“The consensus here is that Bernie is for the people,” said Joyce Haynes, a senior at Allen University who sang the national anthem for Sanders at a recent rally. “Like, literally for the people. Not just playing politics. And that’s what I like about him.”
Sanders has, for one thing, visited the campus. (Clinton has not, though her husband has.) His education platform (free public college) is popular. The argument, several students noted, that Clinton is more qualified doesn’t do much for them.

But here is what gets me, this utterly stupid and condescending comment from Clyburn;

After the statement, a reporter had asked Clyburn what he thought about young voters’ enthusiasm for Sanders. “I was once young,” he said...

[ebayfool]

1. But there wasn’t any applause. LOL! n/t

[pinebox]

4. lol I watched it and there wasn't a thing, it was quite...awkward

[thereismore]

2. “It’s clear that he’s trying to relate to us.”

Wow that statement just screams of the generational divide between young black people and establishment black politicians, doesn't it.

[pinebox]

3. indeed

[ladjf]

5. What could he have said? Everyone there knew that he had sold America out

for gold coins.


Parenthetically let me say that any vote for any candidate either Republican and Democratic that was not for Bernie was a vote
against America having any current chance of overthrowing the terrible yoke of Oligarchy.

[Cheese Sandwich]

6. I don't know what's going on but guys please just leave Clyburn totally alone

He has every right to vote and endorse anyone he sees fit.

It doesn't help Bernie Sanders AT ALL to call his comments stupid or condescending. All that is going to happen is backlash and another full week of stories about Bernie Bros attacking African American "leaders".

Just let it go.

Fight Lloyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon, and the Koch Brothers, fight Walmart, and governor Snyder in Michigan.

There are plenty of enemies to chose from. Don't make enemies of respected African American leaders. It's not a battle you can win.

Respect his choice and his age.

[pinebox]

16. I'll call it as it is

It was a stupid statement on his part. Period.

[Cheese Sandwich]

21. It's not stupid at all. He was young once. He knows how it is to be young.

But now with a lifetime of experience he has a different attitude.

That's what he's saying. Instead of calling it stupid, we could say "I respectfully disagree".

He afforded us that kind of civility and respect. We should return the respect.

He had this to say about Bernie Sanders:

“I don’t have any problem with anybody who’s out working for Bernie Sanders,” Clyburn added. “As I said in my statement, it was a pleasant experience working with him. We worked very closely together on the Affordable Care Act.”

[pinebox]

23. It's a stupid condescending comments towards young people

and I stick by my words.

[Plucketeer]

45. Yeah

was he insinuating that ignorance is no defense or that it IS???

[m-lekktor]

53. It was an insult to young Bernie supporters and should be called out.

Proclaiming we can't criticize african american politicians is absurd! I get so fucking sick of hearing that.

[libdem4life]

22. And non-reacted to by his audience. Crickets...seems. Do you think he didn't know?

Whoever in his campaign chose this venue...two rows of black students...to make the Big Announcement should be fired.

It's that darned Bubble again.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

24. He gave a clean endorsement. He didn't unfairly attack anyone. It's all good.

Sure, I wish he had endorsed Sanders, but he didn't. I do appreciate that his endorsement didn't come with undue barbs, but just support of his candidate.

[winter is coming]

75. +1. n/t

[frylock]

31. I'm laughing at Hillary, not Clyburn.

[MisterP]

33. you're saying he's bound to put his foot in his mouth sometime, then?

[Trajan]

38. No

I won't ...

[Bangbangdem]

57. I copy that.

In the end, Bernie supporters don't have to debate. These idiots are their own undoing. And if it goes bad for Bernie through some kind of delegate loophole, it's going to go bad for a lot of people.

[cyberswede]

7. "I was once young,” he said..."

[Ferd Berfel]

11. Meaning what...

I'm know which side my bread is buttered now?


The power structure is very afraid. that's a two sided coin.

[cyberswede]

14. To me, it suggests that he means young people aren't making a wise decision.

Which is a typical viewpoint of older people sometimes. I don't read anything nefarious into it. Just maybe not the best thing to say (like when Gloria Steinem suggested young women were supporting Sanders to get guys).

[Ferd Berfel]

15. It's an arrogant pompus put down of the kids

I wonder was he against the civil rights movement from his youth or FOR the Vietnam war from his youth?

[zentrum]

50. Well said.

[HooptieWagon]

26. Or it could mean he's spent decades in the DC bubble...

...and has no idea what it's like to graduate from college heavily in debt, home ownership a distant dream, and job prospects iffy.

[Ferd Berfel]

51. yea

that too

[SheilaT]

64. Yes, it does. And it's very insulting.

I'm of the older generation myself, and I recall all too clearly how it felt to be put down by or patronized by the older generation. Yes, we often change a lot as we age. Me? I've gotten vastly more radical myself.

But it's a stunning fail on the part of whoever put him in front of a roomful of Bernie supporters to endorse Hillary. I mean, jeez, surely there was somewhere he could have made this announcement where the Hillary supporters would have been in abundance.

[jtuck004]

44. Most dinosaurs were. n/t

[TeamPooka]

63. he forgets he changed the world when he was young in the civil rights movement.

so there's that.

[kath]

8. gah. FUCK that condescension.

Not the way to win the votes of young people.

[reformist2]

9. Sounds like Hillary's firewall that she took for granted is eroding badly...

[MissDeeds]

19. Berning to the ground

[noamnety]

10. "Two rows of students ..."

Oh god. It was embarrassing before he even started.

Nice cropping though!

[Cheese Sandwich]

12. Clyburn was beyond respectful towards Bernie and his supporters:

“I don’t have any problem with anybody who’s out working for Bernie Sanders,” Clyburn added. “As I said in my statement, it was a pleasant experience working with him. We worked very closely together on the Affordable Care Act.” He went on to talk about Clinton’s qualifications.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/darrensands/jim-clyburn-endorses-hillary-clinton-in-a-room-full-of-berni

Rep. Clyburn is entitled to his views like everyone else and this is nothing to get excited about.

[kristopher]

35. I agree completely with your remarks in this thread.

Courtesy and honest disagreement deserves courtesy in return. It's one thing when someone wraps lies and smears in politeness - that sort of behavior deserves little respect IMO; but that isn't what Cleburne has done. He spoke approvingly of Bernie with no backhanded remarks included.

My respect for the judgement of a couple of our allies here is being challenged by their bellicose behavior.

[Trajan]

39. We are in the primary battle of your entire lifetime ...

Go ahead and tell us to shut up ...

Do it ...

[kristopher]

40. ???

[Cheese Sandwich]

41. Thank you

I appreciate that they are enthusiastic but sometimes it gets a little nutty.

[dorkzilla]

59. Of course you're correct, Cheese

He was respectful of Bernie but not especially of those kids, and I think that's what's gotten everyone rightfully upset.

So on the whole I agree with you. EVEN THOUGH I KEEP EATING DAMNED CHEESE SANDWICHES BECAUSE OF YOU! DAMN YOU, CHEESE SANDWICH!!!!!!!

[Cheese Sandwich]

69. LOL

[mhatrw]

13. It great that the crowd was so respectful.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/18/politics/south-carolina-rep-jim-clyburn-to-endorse-clinton-on-friday/

You could hear a pin drop. It was quieter than a eulogy at a funeral.

[Fearless]

17. Ooh boy!

[hifiguy]

18. I feel sorry for Clyburn, but

the world has changed drastically since the days when establishment endorsements meant anything, especiall to younger voters.

The Clinton campaign increasingly reminds me of this

[DrDan]

88. this one obviously means a lot to younger BS supporters here . . . look at the comments

why all the outrage if the endorsement meant nothing.

[loyalsister]

20. I find that comment more mournful than condescending

I think it must be very tough for the trailblazers to look around at the way bigotry has found comfort and voice over these past 8 yrs. After investing all of the hope in the US only to get burned, it makes sense to me that someone would consider it futile.

[Paulie]

72. Similar sentiments expressed in this thread.

A few paragraphs in: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1221692

[Jefferson23]

25. Interesting, thank you. n/t

[FlatBaroque]

27. I am curious to hear from people who experienced the zeitgeist of the 60's

and how it compares to the current climate.

[rgbecker]

92. Well, like now, we were all Flat Broke!

But in the 60's, the government, run by Democrats, was sending 18-19 year olds to war in Vietnam. One false move, and you would be rated 1-A and drafted for 2 years to stop the Commies before they knocked over all the dominos. That got a lot of people out on the streets, heading for the safety of Canada and anywhere else they could hide. Even the thought of Trump as president can't compare to the prospect of death in the jungle to get people worked up.

[frylock]

28. womp womp

[still_one]

29. Let's see what happens in South Carolina at the end of the month, and who comes out on top

[SoLeftIAmRight]

46. a red state that means nothing in the general election

Who can win the swing states?

[still_one]

49. Really. North Carolina and Virginia are Southern States, and yes even Florida is a southern state

but more important, no state, red, blue, or purple should be written off

[Loudestlib]

61. Why wait for South Carolina?

Nevada is next.

n/t

[still_one]

62. This OP was specifically about SC, not Nevada

[Loki]

70. If these students knew he was doing this as an announcement

for his support of Hillary Clinton, then why did they bother to go? Seems disrespectful of them to treat him in such a manner because his long history of civil rights work has made it possible for them to be where they are. To just sit on their hands, no, it would be the same if he were supporting Bernie, and no one applauded.

[still_one]

73. The most astute point made in this thread. Is this what happens to people or groups that endorse

Hillary?

Planned Parenthood, John Lewis, Al Franken, etc.

Curious how many Hillary supporters have spammed Bernie supporter's Facebook pages or other venues because they endorsed Bernie?

I venture if any, very few.

It will be interesting to see if rudeness rules the day

[Fumesucker]

74. It seems a really odd thing to do, make an announcement in front of supporters of another candidate

If he didn't know who the students were supporting he should have, why put the onus on the students?

[SwampG8r]

76. You would have prefered braying gales of laughter?

[Loki]

77. No, but there is such a thing as respect and manners.

I was taught that growing up, apparently its lost its value these days. My 23 and 25 year olds don't behave in that manner, and I'm very proud of them. They support who they want, but with respect.

[SwampG8r]

78. To applaud for what you dont believe

Would be respectful? I thi k the silence was respectful. If they had broken into derisive guffaws it would have been disrespectful. Silence in this case spoke volumes. Had anyone said so much as a word we would inundated with bernie bros are so mean threads. As it is hrc supporters.are complaining that he wasnt applauded for it.
Im starting to feel like the intention was to.get.a.disrespectful response from what was known to be a room full of bernie supporters with the hope it could be further used as a.cudgel.against sanders and having failed that make the lack of.a.disrespectful response an issue. A.planned spontaneity deal.

[Loki]

79. Then why be there?

Do you actually think that Mr. Clyburn's staff would set up this announcement and ask only Bernie Sander's supporters to show up? What kind of world do you live in? That was disrespectful to that man. He deserves better, and he sure won't get it from Bernie Sander's supporters, obviously.

[SwampG8r]

86. The more these claims of

Disrespect are bandied about the more i see it as another failed attempt to drive the anti bernie memes
The arguement is that a respectful silence is disrespectful is about as far of a reach as i have ever seen
Someone appeared before a group and gave a statement in opposition to their beliefs and hrc supporters thi k he deserved applause
He deserved to be heard and he was respectfully heard out. Thats the end of any obligation the audience had to the speaker
Everyone has a right to speak they dont have a right to applause

[beam me up scottie]

30. I'm glad they were respectful too.

I don't think he was being condescending, it's that generation gap.

[olddots]

32. I as a Bernie supported cut some slack for people who

worked hard for equality and peace but are not up to speed on current events .Don't get played by the Rove race baiting generational dog shit that has been going on since the late 60s .From my point of veiw it is the 3rd way who have abused trust that was built in the movement toward Dr. King's dreams .

[TubbersUK]

34. On a bit of a tangent, this caught my eye:

“I don’t have any problem with anybody who’s out working for Bernie Sanders,” Clyburn added. “As I said in my statement, it was a pleasant experience working with him. We worked very closely together on the Affordable Care Act.” He went on to talk about Clinton’s qualifications.

Given that, two or three weeks ago, Bernie Sanders was roundly criticized in some quarters for stating that he was involved in the development of the ACA.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/darrensands/jim-clyburn-endorses-hillary-clinton-in-a-room-full-of-berni#.rdwMDvNEE

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. I wish they would have stood up and challenged him. I know, out of respect, they couldn't.

He had to know they were Bernie supporters. Smart Millennials? He had to know.

Clyburn may sway older 56+ voters, but not the millennials or the 230,000 24 years old and under in SC! They aren't voting for Clinton.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Kittycat]

42. Not the place

Bernie supporter here. I think they handled it well. I'm sure they respect him greatly. Simetimes silence is the loudest protest. The cameras were there, they were interviewed after. Everyone was respectful, and it wasn't the place for protest.

I'm disappointed he called attention to their age, because I think it dismisses the experiences in their life that also draw them to their political reasoning. That's something as a leader, he should be constantly seeking to understand as it changes and cycles, even if he was young once.

And while I disagree with his endorsement, it seems it was done so respectfully. Unless I missed something.

[Larkspur]

54. Remaining silent after Clyburn announced his endorsement of HRC

spoke volumes and still showed the senior Rep respect.

[zappaman]

37. OK. n/t

[TxDemChem]

43. #FeelTheBern

I'm voting early for Bernie here in Tx

[DhhD]

47. Clinton taps longtime Clyburn aide to run South Carolina campaign

Clinton taps longtime Clyburn aide to run South Carolina campaign

March 17, 2015
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/03/17/clinton-taps-longtime-clyburn-aide-to-run-south-carolina-campaign/

[zentrum]

48. "I was once young"

And had guiding ideals.

[Cassiopeia]

52. Here's the link

http://www.buzzfeed.com/darrensands/jim-clyburn-endorses-hillary-clinton-in-a-room-full-of-berni#.ceKpo9M1j

[abelenkpe]

55. That should win over younger voters

[JoeyT]

56. I don't really find his comment stupid or condescending.

Maybe I'm reading it differently from y'all. I read it as a "I used to have fire in my veins too" kind of comment.

Glad to see so many Sanders supporters in the audience, but I don't think Clyburn did anything wrong.

[californiabernin]

58. Actually, that statement at the end by Clyburn is sad. nt

[d_b]

60. That's the Democratic Party

Fuck trying to change a rigged system, but don't even HOPE that it can be changed. Just eat your shit sandwich and deal with it.
"I was once young."


This Democratic Party Clinton, Inc. vs Bernie battle has been extremely eye opening.

[jalan48]

65. Maybe they were still too excited about Britney Spears' endorsement of Hillary to notice.

[jhart3333]

66. I've got to agree with others here.

Sounds more like a lament to me. Thank you for your courage and your service Rep. Clyburn.

[Bluenorthwest]

67. Jim was not so young at 55 when he voted for DOMA. Should have known better.

But he voted for a hateful bill to serve his concept of what government should be all about or something. I'm not a huge fan. Why should I be?

[LoisB]

68. Maybe this is where he went wrong:

“And I believe,” he said, launching into his central applause line, “that the future of the Democratic Party and the United States of America will be best served with the experiences and know how of Hillary Clinton as our 45th president.”

Party first? Isn't that a Republican thing? I am more interested in the future of the United States than the future of the Democratic Party.

[kgnu_fan]

71. well... sad that he does not understand

[Beacool]

80. Yes, because I should care more about the opinion of some students over that of Jim Clyburn.

Of course Sanders' platform of free college is popular at colleges. Will he get it to pass through Congress? Hmmm, nope.

[pinebox]

82. Meanwhile America's opinion on Hillary and DC sucks. TYVM

[Beacool]

83. "America" to me is the entire continent from Canada in the North to Argentina & Chile in the South.

As for your assertion about the U.S., it's nothing but hyperbole. Millions of people like Hillary and almost 18M of them voted for her in 2008. She will do fine.

[SwampG8r]

87. 18 million?

Thats 6 % of the population
Its also the % who rated her trustworthy in nh
6% woohoo

[Beacool]

94. Not enough people vote in the primaries.

[pinebox]

93. America to me is the United States like it says in your passport

It's hyperbole what I said about Hillary?
Most American's can't stand her and it's because she's a liar.

[Beacool]

95. It doesn't say America, it says the United States of America.

One country, not the whole continent. That's one of the reasons that we get in trouble overseas, our sheer arrogance. Other people in the continent consider themselves to be just as American as we do here.

As for that chart, I don't care. She more than fulfills the requirement list for president.

[pinebox]

96. Go read your passport where you are referred to as an "American".

You really think Hillary is seen as more trusted? Bwahahahahahahaha!

Pick a headline. There's several.
Wake up man, have you been living under a rock? She is upside down.

[jonestonesusa]

91. Students are also voters.

And, true to the Clinton campaign playbook, the actual opinion of young voters is an afterthought.

The article itself captures the substantive reasons for supporting Sanders among these young black college age voters. Their viewpoints should be solicited and respected by all Democrats.

[AzDar]

81. With all due respect Rep. Clyburn... BERRRRNNN!

[grasswire]

84. Clyburn said this about students on MSNBC today...

...when he was asked why the younger AA people are for Bernie: He said that you just can't tell younger people what to do; they have a mind of their own.

Way to diss young adults.

[aspirant]

85. Hills whole campaign is outdated

Bernie is still young at heart while Clyburn dismisses it.

[NCTraveler]

89. Meanwhile, what most of the country gets to read. Overwhelmingly positive as it should be.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=jim+clyburn&tbm=nws

[MelungeonWoman]

90. Congratulations on a job well done.

These students handled an awkward situation with utter poise. Why would the event handlers consider this an appropriate venue for Clyburn's endorsement? It's pretty obvious they were phishing for a BernieBro moment, glad they were denied their talking point.