It's Going To Be Tough For Bernie Supporters Over the Next 3-4 Weeks

[DemocraticSocialist8]

Bernie needed a win in NV today more than Clinton because the States coming up have a lot of Black voters & she's doing extremely well with them. The race still isn't over but Bernie's message isn't resonating as much as it should be. I get the feeling a lot of voters are falling in line & believing the anti-progressive propaganda from all corners of the establishment. I think post-Obama a lot of people no longer believe like they did in 2008. I think Bernie's message is incredible & most agree with him on the issues...I'm beginning to wonder if he's the right vehicle for that message though.

[Robbins]

1. say hello to president trump

the establishment wins and progressives lose.

social safety net will be cut in 2017.get used to republican right wing control.and more war.this time with citizen's united and gerry mandering dems will never be able to win again.

[Live and Learn]

3. Or worse, Cruz. Oh well, we know who to blame. nt

[LonePirate]

26. The Dems who do not show up to vote?

[Live and Learn]

37. The dems that selected a candidate that no one will vote for. nt

[LonePirate]

41. So you're tacitly supporting the Repub candidate if your Dem candidate loses the primary battle?

Sitting out the election is nothing more than tacit support for the Repubs.

[dana_b]

84. nope! You''re wrong. Some of us just won't hold our noses any longer

especially for a pro war/NAFTA/flip flopping/lying/pro corporate/Wall St/Big bank loving candidate.

[LonePirate]

100. You can vote Dem in November or let the Repub nominee win. There are no other choices.

[dana_b]

104. yes there are

There are usually about 4-5 names under President.

[LonePirate]

106. Those other names are nothing but votes for the Repub nominee because you are lowering the D total.

[Live and Learn]

108. Nope. Not sitting out just won't vote for her. Dems down ticket, yes.

Just can't keep enabling the addiction to big money. Sorry.

[LonePirate]

110. So you are supporting the Repubs for President then. Not voting Dem = voting for Repub.

[Live and Learn]

111. Having trouble reading? I will support Dems just not her. nt

[LonePirate]

113. I guess you are the one having problems reading given what you replied to.

[Live and Learn]

114. Pray tell. nt

[LonePirate]

116. Not voting for the Dem Pres candidate in the GE is the same as voting a Repub for Pres.

[Vattel]

119. No, voting repub is one less in the dem total and one more in the repub total.

Not voting dem by itself is just one less in the dem total. So it is not the same as voting repub.

[DarthDem]

4. Oh, please

Drama queen much?

[Live and Learn]

42. What a ridiculous slander. Can't make up my mind if it is sexist or homophobic. nt

[Persondem]

14. Oh please. Sanders only looked good against the GOP candidates in H2H's because they have

given him a pass on his ties to socialism etc. etc. etc., have not shouted "He's a tax and spender!!" from sea to sea and have even ran ads designed to help him out. The GOP would love to run against Sanders.

You might not want to accept that but a good chunk of the voting public would.

Besides, Clinton beats Trump even with the nonsense about the emails being in the news for most of the last year.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

[DCBob]

35. What an absurd defeatist nonsensical post.

[Live and Learn]

39. Well that will win her my vote! nt

[DCBob]

44. Yet another post in the same vein.

What on earth would anyone decide who to to vote for based on some anonymous poster?

[Live and Learn]

50. Certainly hope she isn't counting on supporters like you.

Actually, I really don't care if she is.

[DCBob]

58. I gave up trying to convince anyone on this site to vote for Hillary.

That's pretty much hopeless. You people have mostly gone off the deep end for Bernie. I just like to comment on some of the ridiculous things some people post here.

Have a nice day.

[Live and Learn]

60. Have a great life. The kids are the big losers. nt

[DCBob]

62. The best thing for "the kids" is to keep a solid Democrat in the WH.

Hillary will do that.

[Live and Learn]

64. Hillary will never win. She had her time in the White House. She doesn't own it. nt

[DCBob]

68. If she is nominee, she will will.

I do believe she will be the nominee.

[Live and Learn]

70. She may well will it but it will never happen. nt

[DCBob]

75. Well that's opinion..

[Live and Learn]

78. Yep, a pretty darn valid one. Check with you in November. nt

[DCBob]

81. You seem to hope she loses.

Odd coming from a Democrat.

[Live and Learn]

85. Hard to care either way to be honest. I don't see her as any better than Repukes. nt

[DCBob]

91. Wow.. yet another absurd ridiculous clueless post.

You are the champion!

[Live and Learn]

93. Thanks. Coming from you that is a compliment. nt

[Live and Learn]

2. No, it is going to be tough for Hillary supporters in the GE.

Guess who will get blamed for losing it?

[JonLeibowitz]

5. Us? Of course, I expected nothing less...

[Live and Learn]

8. Sorry Jon, I can't go there. I'll vote down ticket but that is it. nt

[JonLeibowitz]

12. Sorry, I meant Us=Progressives. We will be blamed for a poor turnout.

[Live and Learn]

21. Maybe it will take a Cruz or Trump presidency before the country learns.

Big disappointment. We all lose.

[artislife]

27. Who really cares who they blame?

It isn't like we get accolades for fighting for the tough stuff for the 99%.

They had a all Dem voter in me, well that may be a thing of the past. Hello Greens.

[JonLeibowitz]

32. They treat us like we are in it for "free stuff". I'm willing to bet I'd personally be worse off

with a Sanders presidency than a Clinton presidency. Doesn't change the fact that she (edit: doesn't) represent the 99%.

I may be switching party identification after the primaries.

[Live and Learn]

47. Same here. But the country in general would be much better off with Sanders.

I have always been a dem and will probably stay one but I certainly won't be an enthusiastic one. On the plus side, I will save a bundle in contributions.

[artislife]

48. I am in it for the planet and income equality

The planet mainly because we are on a crash course with the effing Rapture...and I am an atheist! LOL.

That is a sad laugh, but I worry what this place will look like in 150 years. I just got fired/quit it is hard to tell, a client because she believed there is no climate change. She is voting for Hillary. She got hers, she is closing in on 60 if not already there and even though her husband who was just fired and can't get his COBRA information together for the last 3 months so she is putting off doctor visits, she is not sold on single payer.

We live amongst the asleep, the greedy and the grasping. They don't look at the history of countries where there is a small ruling class and the rest are close to poverty level.

I am pretty disgusted right now.

[Live and Learn]

72. Exactly. nt

[Blue_In_AK]

10. Hillary will have a hard time in the general, I suspect,

and Bernie's supporters will be blamed, even though most of us will hold our noses and vote for her.

[brush]

17. Please, the country is not stupid enough to vote in Trump, Cruz or Rubiobot.

[Blue_In_AK]

19. I wouldn't count on that.

Months ago I would have agreed with you, but now I have doubts. Who would have thought Trump would last this long? I'm not counting on anything at this point.

[Larkspur]

34. Trump took down the Bush Dynasty

he can take down the Clinton one too and Hillary would help, just like Jeb did to his own demise.

Clinton's problem is in the swing states and turnout will be the key.

[Nedsdag]

90. No kidding!

I do not see her winning Ohio or Florida. And while she will win South Carolina, she will never step foot there again after the primaries.

[Live and Learn]

109. I think that was his intention. nt

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[Codeine]

40. I'm gonna bet a good quarter or more of Sanders support

ends up with Trump.

[Live and Learn]

51. Sadly, I think you are right. nt

[JonLeibowitz]

52. Nice numbers. Got a source?

[Codeine]

56. Purely speculative.

Pulled entirely out of my lower fundament based on my interactions with the local hipster Bernie supporters.

[Live and Learn]

67. I'd guess she/he is right based on the many people I have talked to while campaigning.

Even many people at work are saying Bernie or Trump. Sad, I know but that is the case. Both perceived as honest. What is really scary is that I don't believe Trump even wants it which leaves Cruz or Rubio.

[JonLeibowitz]

97. Interesting.

[Blue_In_AK]

65. I don't think Democrats will do that,

but Independents are another story. Bernie can pull in far more Independent support than Hillary can, especially in states like Alaska where "Democrat" is kind of a dirty word.

[Live and Learn]

76. True but Bernie pulled a lot of Independents. And there are plenty of Dems that won't vote for her.

There will be a lot of blanks at the top of the ballots.

[Blue_In_AK]

83. I suppose a lot depends on who the R nominee is.

If it's a scary fuck like Ted Cruz I think even the most diehard Bernie supporter would have to go with Hillary for her social stances, if nothing else.

[Live and Learn]

88. Possibly but the polls now have her losing to Cruz and he is a pretty savy debater.

Evil but smart, very dangerous.

[Blue_In_AK]

95. He is the worst of the bunch, IMO.

[Live and Learn]

96. Yep. nt

[JonLeibowitz]

86. Are people independents out of fear of being Democrats, disgust of Republicans, or the lack of a

strong Green party?

Curious which it is..

[Blue_In_AK]

94. I can't speak for anywhere else,

but in Alaska I think it's fear of or distaste for political parties in general. We have more independent, nondeclared and "other" registered voters here than Democrats and Republicans combined. It usually shakes out in the Republicans' favor since we've been owned by Big Oil for basically 40 years, but very few people here go for the right-wing fundy crap. It's economic Republicanism, not religious.

[Codeine]

20. "even though most of us will hold our noses and vote for her"

I don't think they will. I think they'll take their ball and go home, if our posters here are any indication.

[artislife]

30. Or go Green.

I totally believe that. And why not? Vote for something you believe in rather than settle for.

November is 9 months away, but she hasn't shown us much to feel like she is even trying to earn our votes.

[Lizzie Poppet]

43. I will absolutely not.

I won't vote for a Republican (or even a Green), but I'm also not voting for Hillary Clinton, period. I'll just leave the presidential slot blank. That's the biggest thing about Bernie's candidacy for me: now that we've been offered an actual progressive by a major party, there's no going back.

Of course, my vote is irrelevant. Even if there are a good few people like me, no way in hell my state goes Republican. The stupid Electoral Anachronism has its unexpected benefits: I can vote my conscience.

[Live and Learn]

54. Me too. Will be the first time I have ever done that but I can't picture myself voting for her. nt

[Blue_In_AK]

69. I get to vote my conscience, too,

for the opposite reason. I'm still undecided, but I'll probably vote for Hill if I have to. With a distinct lack of enthusiasm.

[Lizzie Poppet]

80. If it actually looks close here...

...I'll hold my nose and do the right thing. But I'll hate it.

[Nedsdag]

99. I am leaving the presidential slot blank as well.

I'll make Hillary happy for voting for her butt kissing congressman Bill Pascrell, but that's it.

[NastyRiffraff]

103. On the bright side, Codeine

Not everyone is as...um.... Okay, I'd better rephrase: Not everyone is on DU, including Sanders supporters. I don't think a lot of them agree with the extreme view we're seeing here. So there's hope that most Democrats will vote for a Democratic president.

[bkkyosemite]

28. Who is blamed doesn't matter, who votes for her does. There is a very

important message in Bernie's campaign and many in the establishment corner are not getting it.

[peacebird]

29. I do not think Hillary is that much better than a R for pres. She supports H1b visas, outsourcing,

Monsanto, fracking, refuses to sat she won't cut social security.

Seriously, what is progressive in THAT?

I will never vote for Hillary.

[artislife]

31. This is true.

These are big issues that she is perfectly on par with the others.

[Live and Learn]

55. And that friggen war and possibly more wars. Nothing I can vote for. nt

[LuvLoogie]

6. Perhaps it's not that they are believing anti-Progressive propaganda.

It's that most Democrats aren't moved by the anti-Hillary propaganda.

[Rose Siding]

105. Yeah, it's that probably

and

[Vinca]

7. I think Bernie supporters have always known this is a long shot.

It's a scary situation, though, because I think Hillary is a very tough sell in November.

[Live and Learn]

57. We do, but Bernie presented a great opportunity and some real hope.

Not just for us but for the world.

[fun n serious]

66. I don't think so.

Hillary can beat any repuke

[Vinca]

117. I hope you're right.

Unfortunately, there's still an FBI investigation open on her emails. The right might very well convince the public she's more ready for the big house than the White House.

[H2O Man]

9. Respectfully disagree.

Quite the opposite, I think.

[Nedsdag]

11. She doesn't have this black voters vote.

I feel no enthusiasm for her.

[Red Knight]

13. It's tough to beat the machine

This just shows how tough that is.

The sad part is that there isn't really another Bernie waiting in the wings to continue this fight. Bernie is unique. He's authentic. His record is what it is and he has been saying the same things and fighting the same battle for years. This shows there is a progressive base available--willing to fight for these things--that the Democratic party does not belong only to the establishment and those who vote with it.

But who picks up the flag now?

I'm just not sure who that is.

And that's what saddens me the most.

[Live and Learn]

23. Yep. nt

[mythology]

24. Do what the edge of the Republican base did

Get people elected at the city and state level. Get people elected to school boards.

Then the next time a Sanders like candidate runs, he or she will have access to the same party support and super delegates that more "establishment" candidates do. I'm of the belief that having that gives both a sense of legitimacy as well as giving access to more local support. A city mayor has a structure of support that helps find the voters most likely to turn out for you.

Please note, I'm not comparing the progressive base to the Republican base. The Republican base is batshit crazy and would like to set us back to the Stone Age. But they got organized and now you have loons like Cruz and Santorum who were obviously unqualified for being Senators who managed to get elected and then run for President.

[JonLeibowitz]

25. I think it shows that the Democratic party does only belong to the establishment.

The base of course, does not.

Clinton is able to spend millions of corporate super PAC dollars to defeat a man of the people.

If that isn't the party fighting the base, I don't know what is.

[bkkyosemite]

33. And those that have picked up the flag with him if she wins the GE will not

be enthusiastic to vote for her.

[Broward]

15. The vast majority of the people lose

with Hillary or a Repub in the White House. Bernie is up against the entire establishment. That he's gotten this far is a testament to how strong his message is. I just hope enough people wake up in time. Otherwise, most of us are screwed.

[SheenaR]

16. Bernie needed a state he never led in?

If it's truly about the long game, getting a 19-16 or 18-17 loss in delegates is not huge.

She needed this bad to stop the wheels from falling off the wagon. She now goes to SC with some momentum

[brooklynite]

74. Bernie needed to show he could win a State that wasn't overwhelmingly White

[SheenaR]

77. And got 48%

After being down 25 a month ago

Congrats on the win.

[Politicalboi]

18. If HilLIARy supporters think she will win in Nov

They are day dreaming. She has so much hate with the GOP, they'll come out in groves to vote AGAINST her. And since Bubba calls us Bernie supporters Teabaggers, he can just eat shit if he thinks I will be promoting his ilk anytime soon. Still waiting to see if and when the Clinton's go lower, so I can just stay home on election night.

It's not over yet. We need to be harsher on HilLIARy and her lies. I actually felt sorry for her the other day for that gotcha question for lies. No longer. If we find HilLIARy's people let people caucus without registering first and it's poo pooed away as nothing to see here, there will be hell to pay.

[LonePirate]

38. If Repubs win the GE, it's because Dems didn't vote. Don't blame the candidate, blame the voters.

Any Dem who prefers the GOP to win the GE and refuses to vote for the Dem candidate deserves the horrible four years they (those non-voting Dems) have inflicted upon America.

[Cosmocat]

118. WINNER

thank you ...

[MerryBlooms]

22. I believe Sanders' supporters will stay strong and vocal...

We have known all along we're the underdog, there's no way we're giving up because we lost NV. Sorry, but you're stuck with us for now.

[TheFarseer]

36. I pretty much gave up after Iowa

The fix was obviously in. President Cruz is going to suck.

[Codeine]

46. the fix?

What fix? There are Team Sanders people at every caucus site monitoring things. It's not a fix, it's a loss. Bernie didn't cheat his way to his win in NH and Hillary didn't cheat her way to her win in NV.

[TheFarseer]

61. You can't have 100% of the media for one candidate

And it doesn't affect the election. You're delusional to think this is a fair fight.

[Live and Learn]

59. Big time. nt

[JRLeft]

45. Agreed his chances are slim to none.

[Fairgo]

49. I appreciate your concern

But the message, the messenger, and masses are just fine. This begins or ends nothing. The wins and losses in these pitched battles for team captain are surface expressions of a much deeper conflict between corporate control and democracy. For the PTB, political parties just represent different theatres of action; they have no allegiance. HRC is their negotiated agent in the Democratic theatre. They own every meat puppet in the republican abattoir . The only representative for the principles of democracy and the better angels of populism is Bernie. The "scores" of the primaries reflect only the relative effectiveness of each side to control the public perception of (a) the depth of their problems & (b) the potential for empowered change. Bernie represents "we"...he isn't "we". If he goes down, the movement moves on. From the social movement, to the civil rights movements (including all oppressed peoples from every race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual preference, caste, class, and ability status), to the occupy movement, to the rise of the Sandernistas, it's all of a cloth. I stand proudly with Bernie at the front, or walking in his comfortable shoes beside me, only because he taps into this eternal idea of true democracy. He's a long way from done, but the length of his stay and his position really does not ultimately matter. So, relax! And then redouble your effort.

[dubyadiprecession]

53. Bernie has been part of the establishment since being elected to congress in 1990..

That's why the democratic party didn't keep him out of our primaries and caucus's.

[Live and Learn]

71. Good grief. nt

[Deadshot]

63. It's difficult to beat the machine and the establishment.

Hillary is going to have a difficult time trying to get the Sanders supporters when the general election comes around. I'm a huge Sanders supporter and I don't know if I could support Hillary as the nomination.

[aikoaiko]

73. We know. Its always been tough. Its been a fight every step of the way.

This graph is the result of Bernie and his supporters fighting the despicable naysayers for change every fucking day for the last year.

[NowSam]

79. It's been tough since the beginning but we fight the good fight.

Bernie all the way!

[cantbeserious]

82. IMHO - A Vote For HRC In The Primary Is A Vote For Trump In The General Election

eom

[dana_b]

87. exactly!! That's what some refuse to understand

Bernie can beat the Repubs. Hillary can't and poll after poll has shown that.

[cantbeserious]

92. IMHO - The HRC Supporters Will Be Eating Much Crow Later This Year

HRC will be hounded by the Republicans mercilessly.

All of the Clinton baggage uncovered during the primaries and all of the historical dirt will be thrown at that campaign 24/7.

It will be ugly beyond words.

[redstateblues]

101. She has taken everything they've got

and is still standing strong even with Republicans helping Bernie. Hillary is a fighter and she is tougher than any of you BSS realize.

[cantbeserious]

102. Predictably Spreading Establishment FUD - Meme Number 137

eom

[nc4bo]

89. Oh, we're cool. Picked up some delegates and gonna keep on keepin' on. nt

[INdemo]

98. Why this Primary is not over ...

Remember
Iowa Tie
NH Bernie won by 22%
NEV Hillary wins by 3.7

So of course the Sunday Hillary supporters will talk about her moving in already bu this Primary is not over yet and the final delegate count has not been tallied in Nev yet

3.7% and falling is not a win to assume its over ..There is still about 28% of the votes to count...unless Debbie Wasserman has them in her car....

[George II]

107. Not really. It'll only be 9 more days to Super Tuesday.

[Fearless]

112. Bullshit. Keep your doom and gloom. He's on a better pace than Obama was.

[jfern]

115. Obviously if Bernie narrowly wins the nomination, he will be a ways behind

in delegates as of mid March. Basically every southern state votes by then.