Does a Sanders supporter want to explain this?

[brooklynite]

America Ferrera @AmericaFerrera
Harrah's casino site- Bernie supporters chant "English-only" to stop civil rights leader @DoloresHuerta from providing Spanish translation.

E McMorris-Santoro ‏@EvanMcSan 7 minutes ago
regarding @AmericaFerrera tweet from earlier: I have confirmed that it happened from a source knowledgable

[stonecutter357]

1. K&R!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

2. No, but I will request some documentary evidence of your claim.

[brooklynite]

4. I'm reporting what's coming over the Twitter Feed...

...that said, I generally find people don't make up things that are easy to challenge.

[geek tragedy]

9. Like evil red t-shirts? nt

[msanthrope]

46. There's video on the other thread...also Dolores Huerta confirmed it. nt

[casperthegm]

60. Uh, saw and heard the video...

Nothing remotely close to "speak english" contained within that video. If something like that was said and doesn't make it through the audio, then so be it, those people should certainly be ashamed of themselves. As a Bernie supporter I denounce any such talk. And we all know that Bernie would denounce it as well. He is a good man with a long history of speaking out against just that kind of prejudice.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

14. Yes, and I saw Joy Reid asking her if it was true, if it was caucusers, Bernie people, Hillary

people, etc.

And yes, I require solid documentary evidence. Way too much water under that bridge.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. I generally find Jonathan Capehart.

nt

[roguevalley]

32. only if you can explain the hrc supporters lying to caucus members

as nurses

[brooklynite]

37. Explain? Easy

They wore shirts marked with the Hillary Clinton logo...



Are you suggesting that only Sanders has the right to wear red shirts?

Or are you suggesting that the Sanders voters were too stupid to figure out which people were on their team?

[brooklynite]

45. Here's the evidence you wanted

Awaiting your explanation.

[hedda_foil]

55. It's ONE woman who might've been for Bernie but more likely was just a disruptor.

And it was impossible to determine just what she was screaming. She was immediately removed from the room.

In other words, it's ridiculous to portray this as something representative of anything or anyone other than herself.

[Perogie]

59. She was yelling neutral

Why can't you hear that? It was clear that is what she said. Why are you saying she said something she didn't?

[jfern]

68. Facts? Who needs facts?

[melman]

65. No

That ain't it. Try again.

[beedle]

77. Geesh, Putting Bernie where he isn't even "there in spirit"

When I see a video of Hillary calling out and condemning the "That's not Bernie/Bernie wasn't there" smears (not by some random audience member, but by high profile Clinton supporters and media reps with family connections to the Clinton machine) then maybe I'll consider joining a call for Bernie to call out some random supporter with no known ties to Bernie other than maybe a supporter.

[Skwmom]

3. Evidence?

[geek tragedy]

5. Hearsay. nt

[Agschmid]

11. Twitter is no longer a reliable source?

Social media isn't going to change this election?

Are we walking that back now?

[geek tragedy]

16. You will note how unimpressed I was with

the Twitter story about red shirts

[Agschmid]

23. I'll give you that.

Sorry.

[msanthrope]

47. video in post 45

[LexVegas]

6. Its all over Twitter and Facebook now. nt

[ismnotwasm]

7. I hope with all my heart that this is a misunderstanding

Because that's just wrong

[SidDithers]

8. If true, that's fucked up...nt

Sid

[MohRokTah]

10. This will probably make national news now.

I expect Sanders will appear at some point to condemn this bullshit.

[geek tragedy]

12. Presumably there would have been cameras. nt

[Shandris]

13. Enough people to chant down a speaker.

No video? In 2016?

"T-trust me, a source said so!"

In God I trust. All others must provide evidence. Evidence of Bernie support and evidence of Nevada residence will be first on my list of requirements.

[msanthrope]

48. post 45

[Perogie]

62. How are you confusing the word neutral with English only?

It is clear that is what was being said.

[hedda_foil]

64. No chanting. It sounded like a couple of men who shouted briefly, iand probably just at the woman.

This scene is nothing at all like it's being portrayed. But because of the way it's flying around the web,i suspect this was an opportunity againstBernie After all, Hillary needs to get Latino voters back. Bernie did much to well with them for her team to avoid.

[enid602]

15. Dolores

My GOD. Don't they know who she is?

[Bluenorthwest]

17. Gossip which if true should be investigated for to find the rat fuckers.

Not a big fan of passing on hearsay and Twitter is infamous for being well named.

[nc4bo]

25. Sounds like ratfucking here too. Fav/Unfav ratings say untrustworthy, it's for a reason.nt

[KingFlorez]

18. There are some really nasty people out there

And politics brings out the worst in a lot of people.

[MrMickeysMom]

19. I would consult your hand's best friend...

Your little ole keyboard!

[noretreatnosurrender]

21. Clinton Supporter

My guess is that they were afraid that she wouldn't translate properly.

[villager]

22. A named source for confirmation, or video/pics would be good.... But if true, it's inexcusable

Whether it's Bernie supporters, GOP crossover caucusers, etc...

[Larkspur]

24. You'd have to ask the people who shouted it

It's not a directive from the Sanders' campaign.

[tk2kewl]

26. brock

[H2O Man]

28. Sure.

I'll be glad to take a stab at it.

First, this is an OP on DU:GDP, by a dedicated, honorable Hillary supporter, one that I have a lot of respect for.

In the OP, the DU community member provides two small quips from another Hillary supporter. I am unfamiliar with that source, and hence take it with a tiny grain of salt. Did the person making the claim actually hear it? Was it one person? Was that person a "rat-fucker"? A real Bernie supporter?

Obviously, we do not know the answers to those questions. Hence, at very worst, it may indicate that Bernie has one jackass supporting him.

In summation, it is an attempt by a DU community member to advocate for the candidate of choice. Nothing more, nothing less.

[tk2kewl]

40. rat-fuckery

Bernie's message is damn clear on race and immigration, and the importance of the Latino vote in NV is equally clear. No supporter that isn't mentally off the rails would be this stupid.

too bad it gets air time here

[Broward]

43. Haha, great post.

[Kittycat]

29. Can you explain Clinton supporters caucusing prior to registering?

There is video on Twitter.

[Petrushka]

36. Here's a link to the video showing HRC supporters entering a NV caucus without registering --->

https://twitter.com/andiwonderthis/status/701156372340027392

[Kittycat]

39. I've seen it.

I was making a point.

The OP can no more explain that video, than anyone here can explain why someone said something they did there. It raises a cause for concern. Difference being, a rouge person speaking out vs individual instructing others to proceed in to caucus without registering, and overriding people at the door.

[Petrushka]

30. Without video evidence, a "false flag" is just as likely an explanation.

[djean111]

31. After reading how Hillary is looking for people to tweet what they are told to?

Nah. In addition, Hillary is too well known for dirty tricks for me to take this seriously - the twitter, or the people shouting, if that is the case, being Bernie supporters. Nothing like this concerning Hillary is believable for me. Shrug.

[pacalo]

33. It's certainly not reflective of Bernie's platform.

What do you want us to explain?

[dubyadiprecession]

34. What? Bernie got berned? That wasn't supposed to happen!

[trueblue2007]

35. if that is true then BERNIE SUPPORTERS ARE RUDE, RUDE!! Anti Hispanic anti immigrant people

[totodeinhere]

38. If true I would need to know who exactly were these people.

Were they outside agitators or bona fide Bernie supporters? I suspect the former. That sort of behavior is totally contrary to what Bernie stands for. And most Hispanics understand that. Hence Bernie won the Hispanic vote in the Nevada caucuses.

[brooklynite]

41. Now up on Huffington Post...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-english-only-dolores-huerta_us_56c8f49de4b041136f174654

[Arazi]

42. It's not true. Video evidence available now

Last edited Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:44 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511290075

[lumberjack_jeff]

44. I read earlier that Republicans were allowed into the nevada D caucus.

Is that true?

[srobert]

49. Sure, I Can Explain

I went to the caucus today and I saw intelligent, well-educated, people supporting both candidates. I also saw ignorant, ill-mannered people supporting both candidates. That's all the explanation that's required.

[lumberjack_jeff]

50. Explanation? Bullshit lies.

I just watched the video in which no such thing occurred.

As more and more of these outrageous claims are shot down, HRC supporters lose what little credibility they have left.

[brooklynite]

56. You're saying Dolores Huerta is outright lying...

Why not be clear?

[lumberjack_jeff]

58. No, I'm saying that America Ferrera is outright lying.

I haven't yet heard this lie from Dolores Huerta.

[brooklynite]

61. Dolores Huerta Accuses Sanders Supporters Of Shutting Down Spanish Translation At Caucus

LAS VEGAS, NV — Longtime labor leader and Hillary Clinton supporter Dolores Huerta told ThinkProgress that supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders prevented her from providing Spanish interpretation at a caucus this morning at Harrah’s casino on the Las Vegas Strip.
“The fellow that was running the caucus said that the first person to come up to the stage could translate, so I went up. Nobody else did,” she said. “Then the Bernie people started yelling no, no, no. One of their people came up, and I suggested we both translate. But the moderator decided we would have no translation. So the Bernie people preferred we would have no translation just because I was going to do the translating. It’s ridiculous, because if I had said something that wasn’t accurate, I’m sure somebody would have corrected me.”

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/20/3751830/dolores-huerta-interview/

[lumberjack_jeff]

67. That is a great deal different than "the Bernie crowd chants 'english only!" isn't it?

It is eminently reasonable that the translations ought to be from a neutral party.

[melman]

75. Right

So it never happened. Thanks for clearing that up.

[PoliticAverse]

78. Thus we see nowhere did Huerta accuse anyone of shouting "English Only" which was the claim

in your post starting this thread in the interview.

[Arazi]

73. Yes, There's now video proof. Nobody shouted "English only"

They were shouting for a neutral interpreter since Huerta is obviously biased for HRC

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511290075

[wyldwolf]

51. Moveon.org: Shameful and totally unacceptable

[Hissyspit]

83. And apparently not true?

[Bradical79]

52. Some people are assholes

Not much else to say.

[bigtree]

53. only one explanation I accept

Dolores Huerta ‏@DoloresHuerta 2h2 hours ago

@BernieSanders Shame on your supporters for depriving Spanish speaking caucus goers of info they need for full participation! #NVcaucus

[bkkyosemite]

54. transperancy needs to be in English during an election.

[whatchamacallit]

57. Right... any Sanders supporter should be able to explain it

even if not present at the event. Because, after all, we are all exactly the same.

[brooklynite]

63. Just like any Sanders supporter can completely discount it...

...which is what they're doing here.

[lumberjack_jeff]

70. Ooh! Pick me! Let me explain an incident that didn't happen at an event I didn't attend!

[whatchamacallit]

72. I know

[Armstead]

66. It that happened it's bad. But before any rush to judgement....It sounded different

All I heard on the video was ''Neutral'' and it sounded like a Hispanic female voice or two. If so, it is also possible they were objecting to have a Clinton surrogate readinbg the translation instead of a neutral party.

I

[madfloridian]

71. ....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511290075

[Matariki]

74. Yeah, apparently Clinton is good at getting her supporters to lie for her.

Even her apparently respectable supporters.

As it turns out.

[Avalux]

76. It didn't happen. I suggest you self-delete your OP or risk looking like a fool. n/t

[Hissyspit]

79. Apparently, it did not happen.

Confusion at a large raucous gathering of human beings.

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511291321

Susan Sarandon ‏@SusanSarandon 1h1 hour ago
.@AmericaFerrera I was there. Nobody frm Bernie's side said English only. Moderator did when no neutral translator was found@DoloresHuerta


https://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/civil-rights-activist-dolores-huerta-sanders-backers-shut-me-down-for-offering-spanish-translation/

“What happened is the person who was running the caucus said we need a translator and he said the first person that comes to the stage can be the translator,” she said. “So I walked up to the front and then some of the organizers, the Bernie organizers, decided to shout ‘no, no, no.’ Then a Bernie person stood up and said, I can also do translation. So then the person running the caucus said we won’t have a translator.”

snip

"A video posted online on Saturday purports to show Huerta being shouted down by Sanders supporters, but no “English-only” chants are distinguishable, although one person can be heard yelling, “Neutral.” Another person can be heard saying “Pero necesitamos Español” (“But we need Spanish”) from behind the camera, as well as, “It’s Dolores Huerta, my goodness.” The video can be seen below."

snip

"However, another attendee at the event has challenged Huerta’s statements. Erin Cruz told the fact-checking site Snopes that she was at the event along with members of a nurses’ union as well as actresses Gabby Hoffman and Susan Sarandon, and said that it was the moderator who asked for “English-only” during the event, and not any Sanders supporter. "


SNOPES:

Flickr
CLAIM: Supporters of Bernie Sanders shouted "English only" at civil rights activist Dolores Huerta during one Nevada caucus event, ostensibly objecting to a translation of remarks into Spanish.

FALSE
EXAMPLE: [Collected via Twitter, February 2016]


ORIGIN:On 20 February 2016, the Nevada Democratic caucuses ended in a victory for Hillary Clinton. Not long after that, actress America Ferrera tweeted that that supporters of Bernie Sanders shouted "English only!" at longtime civil rights activist Dolores Huerta (who had apparently offered to translate from English to Spanish at an event at Harrah's casino on the Las Vegas strip), objecting to a translation of remarks from English to Spanish:


Shortly thereafter, Huerta tweeted:


Huerta initially didn't specify how she identified the chanters as Sanders supporters. We spoke to Erin Cruz, who was present at the rally with a nurses' union to support Sanders:


Cruz told us she was accompanied by ten other nurses and actors Susan Sarandon and Gabby Hoffman. Cruz said she was unaware of any recording during the disputed chanting:

@KimLaCapria @brooklynmarie I don't know that anyone was recording, but I would gladly give a statement along with all the other nurses. — Erin Cruz (@neuroticnurse75) February 20, 2016

A video of Huerta speaking surfaced not long afterward:

Huerta has been extremely outspoken in her support for Hillary Clinton in recent weeks, and in fact was at the Nevada event to stump for her.

Later on 18 February 2016, Huerta told ThinkProgress that she was able to identify Sanders' supporters as the "room was divided with the Hillary people on one side and the Bernie people on the other." Huerta also elaborated upon the "English only" claim:

“The fellow that was running the caucus said that the first person to come up to the stage could translate, so I went up. Nobody else did,” she said. “Then the Bernie people started yelling no, no, no. One of their people came up, and I suggested we both translate. But the moderator decided we would have no translation. So the Bernie people preferred we would have no translation just because I was going to do the translating. It’s ridiculous, because if I had said something that wasn’t accurate, I’m sure somebody would have corrected me.”

[mcar]

80. I'd like to hear something

besides attack Hillary about this.

[jillan]

81. Instead why don't you explain to US why you are pushing this story that has been debunked?

[farleftlib]

82. HAHAHAHAHAHA

No they'll just double down. It's the Clinton way.

[Raine1967]

84. ** we are moving forward in English only ** This is from the moderator. Video here:

Go to the 40 second mark. At one minute or so he says we are going to move forward with English only.

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

85. Want to save face, brooklynite? Delete the entire thread.

Lick your wounds and move on to the next meme.

Then donate $2,700 to Bernie, since you apparently can afford it.

[Marr]

86. It's very hard to respect a lot of HRC supporters when they push these sorts of lies even after

they've been debunked.

It's a mark of low character.

[aikoaiko]

87. You look foolish for posting unsubstantiated rumors off the internet.

[MisterP]

88. "The Vermont senator won 53% of the vote among Hispanic voters"

http://qz.com/621302/sanders-may-have-lost-nevada-but-he-won-over-the-crucial-hispanic-vote/
that explains it

[cali]

89. Snopes: FALSE. Stop pushing this putrid Clinton Camp LIE

[Doctor_J]

90. You should delete this now that it's been shown to be a lie

The hillarians should try to be less despicable than their candidate

[George II]

91. Jury results:

On Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:00 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Does a Sanders supporter want to explain this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511286855

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

every one of these false OPs has been juried

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:18 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The alert appears accurate. As a Hillary supporter I vote to hide it. I sincerely wish that those that are on juries would not rule on the basis of personal bias, and that comment is directed at all sides
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Pretty lame stated reason for the alert, plus this OP (not sure about all the others) is true. Alerting because one doesn't agree with the content, is pointless.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[Ruby the Liberal]

92. Snopes is calling it false

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/