Did Hillary Clinton Just Finish Bernie Sanders Off? Not quite—but close.

[wyldwolf]

Let’s get right to it. Three main takeways from Hillary Clinton’s Nevada caucus win.

Takeaway number one is the most obvious one. Clinton dodged a huge bullet with this win. Imagine the week of horrible, awful, relentlessly negative press she was in for if she’d lost this...

Takeaway number two is interesting. It’s that Clinton may not now feel compelled to go heavy negative on Sanders, which means in turn that she should have an easier time of unifying the party as the nominee if and when that time comes.

Takeaway three, which is related to two: It now looks like Clinton is going to be the nominee, and that this primary will be over sooner rather than later. She should win nine of 12 Super Tuesday states, and maybe 10; I think she could get Massachusetts, while Sanders holds in Vermont and Minnesota. But barring the email-indictment scenario or some totally unexpected thing (and of course those things could happen!), it’s hard to see a scenario where Sanders could steal away any delegate-rich states. So she seems to be on the way.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/20/did-hillary-clinton-just-finish-bernie-sanders-off.html

[Odin2005]

1. LOL.

[TCJ70]

2. This article can't be serious?

Takeaway number two is interesting. It’s that Clinton may not now feel compelled to go heavy negative on Sanders, which means in turn that she should have an easier time of unifying the party as the nominee if and when that time comes.

How in the world does going super negative on a candidate who has supporters that are extremely passionate, unify anything? Face reality! She NEEDS those voters. So far she's done herself no favors in the party unity department.

[drray23]

11. i am not sure you read that carefully.

Item no 2 :

Clinton may not now feel compelled to go heavy negative on Sanders.

Notice the NOT. Indeed she will probably pivot and start attacking the gop instead of Bernie. She is all but likely to win south carolina and further gain momentum. no need to attack Bernie.

[TCJ70]

15. You're right, I missed the "not"...

...apologies. She does have many bridges to rebuild if that's the case, though.

[CorporatistNation]

35. You Klowns D Not GEt IT! She And Her Hoard Are Cheating LIKE KRAZY! There Will Be NO...

unification of the party... She cannot be trusted... Her own words are damning to the core.

She has not a soul to blame but herself. Anyone who votes for this candidate should be ashamed of their own lack of character and integrity. Nothing hurtful or untrue... Just Hillary doing what she does again and again!

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[drray23]

36. Are you sure you are on the right board?

You need to take a chill pill really. Clown D do not get it? Really? So, unless we vote Bernie we are not real democrats, instead we are clowns ? Give me a break.

[Live and Learn]

39. Jury results:

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You Klowns D Not GEt IT! She And Her Hoard Are Cheating LIKE KRAZY! There Will Be NO...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1292722

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Calling other democrats clowns because they dont vote Bernie is outrageous. This guy sounds like a RW plant. "D dont get it.." Like he is not one.

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[jfern]

3. LOL at the idea that she hasn't already thrown the kitchen sink at Bernie

[Persondem]

9. Oh no. Not even close. There are MUCH worse ways to paint Sanders A lot of them having to do

with the color red. The GOP would not hold anything back if Sanders were to get to the GE. It would be a bloodletting, and Sanders would go down in flames. Better he lose in the primary.

[jfern]

24. There's already been red-baiting

Most people know Bernie is a democratic socialist. And they don't care, since they're not stuck in the past. Russia has been right-wing for the last 25 years.

[Persondem]

27. But most haven't heard HOW Socialist he is/was.

[drray23]

30. At the end of the day I want a democrat to win the general

So, I wont point out which issues from Bernie Sanders past would be prime material for the RW machine to exploit.
A little bit of research which give you a few.

Look, if the GOP successfully managed to swift-boat John Kerry who was a decorated Vietnam war veteran and accuse him of being a liar, imagine what they can do with Bernie.

If Bernie ends up the nominee I will do my best to support him but I will be very worried that we lose the general.

[jfern]

31. Hillary has a 67% not honest and trustworthy rating today

She doesn't need any more attacks to be damaged goods. And there are plenty of things that Bernie hasn't mentioned that could be used to attack her. For example, the pay to play with the Clinton Foundation that the FBI is actively investigating.

[CajunBlazer]

37. I don't think so...

[jfern]

40. Hillary surrogates such as Senator McCaskill

have implied that the'd be attacked for being a communist. Pretty weak.

[StevieM]

23. Honestly, I think this has been a remarkably clean campaign. I am very proud of both

of our candidates. I think Hillary and Bernie have run outstanding campaigns, as did Martin O'Malley. There haven't even been any negative ads run.

We have put the Republicans to shame when compared to the disgusting races that they have all run. And I am confident that whether we nominate Hillary or Bernie we will defeat the GOP in November.

[geek tragedy]

33. It's been kid gloves on both sides compared to 2008

[bkkyosemite]

4. So far of those voters she does not have and many she will not have ever.

[noretreatnosurrender]

5. Thanks for the Laugh

Check out the other pieces that this author wrote like this one - Hey Berniebros Quit Whining.

[Segami]

6. UNREC.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

7. nope - she will have to crawl back to wall street to keep up

Sanders will continue to gain support

[BlueMTexpat]

8. It's not over yet.

But boy, do I concur with the first takeaway.

Can you imagine the constant drumbeat of negative press! If nothing else, I am thankful that will not be the meme of the week.

[whatchamacallit]

10. More Daily Delusion

[Thinkingabout]

12. K & R

[k8conant]

13. That article is vomitable...

[morningfog]

14. Thanks for the laugh. The race is essentially tied.

[CajunBlazer]

60. Sounds like a driver who just dodged a pothole whose car is about to go over a cliff

[morningfog]

61. They each have 51 delegates. That's a tied race.

[CajunBlazer]

65. I evidently wasn't clear with my analogy

People often talk about Bernie following Obama's path to the nomination. Let's talk March 2nd. I think Bernie golf cart is not only going to slip of that path during the South Carolina and SEC primaries, there is every indication that it is going to crash and burn.

[warrprayer]

16. ....

[Joe the Revelator]

17. 'she should have an easier time of unifying the party as the nominee'

If I said what I really think, I'll be banned before I'm ready to be, however the idea that under any scenario she would have any type of 'easy' ability to unify the 'party' is crazy talk.

[book_worm]

18. I think Bernie takes four contests on Super Tuesday

Colorado, Massachusetts, Minnesota and his home state of Vermont. I think Hillary wins Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia.

Then on 3/5 I see her winning Kentucky, Kansas, Louisiana while on 3/6 I see Bernie taking Maine.

3/8 will be a significant date because the first major industrial state will vote--Michigan with 148 delegates & yesterday a new Michigan poll came out giving Hillary a 2-1 lead in the state. I would say by that time the race is pretty much settled.

[stevenleser]

63. A plausible scenario. nt

[Shadowflash]

19. Haha!

[Bohemianwriter]

20. Do you consider DailyBeast...

a balanced news source without a political agenda or favorites?

What kind of narrative are you trying to convey here?

That Hillary is entitled to the throne?

Please!

With her campaign and your behavior on this site, it's a losing strategy in winning over Bernie voters to your Wall Street candidate...!

[sadoldgirl]

21. If #2 is going to happen, I will be surprised.

#3: Already we have seen in Nevada that the votes for
dems are down by ~50% from 08.

Add to that the substantial loss of millennial and
indy votes, and you have a losing nominee.

Will the Clinton supporters be proud of that
achievement?

#4: Fear about the SC or the win of repugs
won't change that.

#5: Bernie may try to help her, but his supporters mainly
want to see his policies and will not follow to the
necessary degree, which Clinton supporters expect.

[Fearless]

22. This is the dumbest thing I've read amongst a whole shit ton of dumb things.

She has a net gain of +4 delegates tonight. What a joke.

[lmbradford]

58. That was a projection

As of right now, with 98% reporting in NV, they are tied at 51 delegates.

[Fearless]

69. Even more so.

[Mike__M]

25. Takeaway four, she could auction off the transcripts

of her speeches to raise more funds.

[HassleCat]

26. No indictment, but there may be another problem.

We're hearing the emails indicate Clinton used her position to lobby for corporations who donated big money to her campaign and the foundation. Two things make it unlikely this issue will get traction. First, it's too complicated for many people to understand. Second, many people don't care if their elected leaders are cozy with special interests.

[DesertRat]

28. k&r

[DefenseLawyer]

29. Takeaway Four: "Thank you to Goldman Sachs for inviting me here tonight"

Those transcripts are going to be leaked.

[bettyellen]

38. I'm guessing fake transcripts will be released. And then people will end up saying Hillary did it to

make SBS's supporters look bad. This forum needs more cowbell! I mean, CTs.

[DefenseLawyer]

41. What is the conspiracy theory?

She had never once said she didn't have them, only that she wouldn't release them. If they exist someone will get them. It's been reported that someone already does.

[bettyellen]

42. If legally she has the only copies, than we will never know. And nothing is to small to be a

conspiracy. So whatever gets released, she can deny, and people will think it came from an opposing camp.... who will then go and blame Hillary for tricking them. And who knows- maybe someone would float a fake transcript for kicks. People do a lot of stupid things.

[Skwmom]

32. LOL. There will be no unifying. As Camp Clinton likes to say - Hillary "IS NO OBAMA." And if

Bernie hugs her too close he really risks hurting his movement.

[slipslidingaway]

34. Hillary might win the primary, but she will be hard pressed to win in the GE ...

dismissing the independents and Repubs that might vote for Sanders is a Big mistake. Nothing scientific, we just know too many people who will not vote for another Clinton or Bush. Clinton needs more than the a dedicated "D" team.

The Repubs were clever enough not to rally around Jeb, maybe our party needs to wake up as well.

You are correct in saying we need to get it right, but there are to many people disadvised with Clinton.

[bettyellen]

43. The Repubs are clever for putting Trump in #1 position? I'm thinking not.

[slipslidingaway]

50. Guess we will see, I doubt the Repub establishment PUT Trump forward as he is drawing from all

aspects in the political spectrum, people are not happy, across all parties.

I will not give the Repubs credit as you did, but I will criticize the Dems for not realizing how many people are unhappy with both parties.

[bettyellen]

52. So you were comparing Dem voters to Republican establishment and not their voters?

That's a bit confusing. But anyway, I am not giving the Republicans any credit- the party or the voters.
Well I do give credit to the ones I have heard say that they are never going to vote for Trump Rubio or Cruz.

[restorefreedom]

44. gee, too bad he is raising money like crazy

John Wagner
John Wagner – Verified account ‏@WPJohnWagner

Shortly after conceding Nevada loss, Bernie Sanders campaign announces it has now received 4 million campaign donations.
4:30 PM - 20 Feb 2016
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[workinclasszero]

45. Bernies done

Hillary should just ignore him and start running her GE race against the republicans.

I guess Bernie was somewhat useful to toughen up Hillary and her campaign a bit.

[Beacool]

46. I never had any doubt that Hillary will be the nominee.

Sanders will win some states, but she will prevail.

[workinclasszero]

47. It's a done deal

It's all over but the crying for the bros

[Beacool]

48. I won't rub it in.

After all, we all need Democrats to come out and vote in November. No need to deliberately offend people.

[workinclasszero]

49. Well it might help if certain people would stop acting like freepers

And stop the vicious attacks against civil rights icons.

[Beacool]

51. I know, but think of the end game.

Hillary will be the nominee.

[JonLeibowitz]

53. Oh for fucks sake -- young women are just fine with Bernie. They prefer him actually.

Your smear is disgusting.

[NurseJackie]

54. The one endorsement for Hillary I'm really looking forward to ...

... is the one that will be from Bernie Sanders.

[John Poet]

55. Number 2?

"Takeaway number two is interesting. It’s that Clinton may not now feel compelled to go heavy negative on Sanders, which means in turn that she should have an easier time of unifying the party as the nominee if and when that time comes."


It's TOO LATE for that already.

[Kentonio]

56. Considering she is only 4 delegates ahead

This is a really odd headline.

[lmbradford]

59. That was a projection

As of right now, with 98% of NV reporting, they are tied at 51 delegates each, not counting the supers until convention.

[lmbradford]

57. Delegates are how you win

I dont understand why people are glossing over the fact that AFTER NV, they are tied with 51 delegates each. Supers are seperated out until the convention bc they can change.

[CajunBlazer]

66. Don't youi see what's coming?

[Roy Ellefson]

62. Hillary's only chance at my vote

Hillary's only chance at my vote is if the primaries go all the way to the convention...if there is a robust discussion of issues--if the issues that Bernie Sanders has brought to the forefront are seriously discussed...if there is a competitive primary than I'm good...However, if Clinton secures the nomination early than I know that the party that I was born into...that I have voted with for 39 years... is no longer my party....that my interests no longer align with the Democratic Party...an early win for Hillary will destroy the party. The only chance for reconciliation is a competitive primary that goes down to the wire.

[CajunBlazer]

67. Sorry, none of us get to chose what kind of prrimary is ahead of us.

Base on what I am seeing, the primary will continue until Bernie reads the writing on the wall and drops out. What you do with your vote is obviously none of our business.

[SidDithers]

64. DU rec for all kinds of reasons...nt

Sid

[whatchamacallit]

68. Penthouse Letter?