We cannot win a general election with a candidate who is widely distrusted and disliked

[Attorney in Texas]

We Democrats like Hillary (well, at least the Democrats over 50 like her), but that's it. Outside of over-50-year-old Democrats, Hillary is disliked and disbelieved. Maybe Hillary can win the nomination with the support of over-50-year-old Democrats, but that is not a demographic that will win a general election.

[peacebird]

1. And this 58 yo lifelong democratic woman is supporting Bernie!

So even the over 50 demographic is not solid for Hillary

[MissDeeds]

10. I'm a female over 50 who supports Bernie

and my husband is over 50 and supports Bernie 100%.

[Cleita]

22. I'm a female over 75 who supports Bernie and my friends, 65 to 80 do as well.

We remember FDR.

[AmBlue]

64. and here: female 57 and husband 65... For BERNIE

Neither of us think Hillarry is trustworthy either.

[bvar22]

68. 66 year old for Bernie here,

and I'm influential among my neighbors. Turing others to support Bernie is easy.
I just tell them to look around and see how badly they have been getting screwed.
Then I tell them to vote with their wallet and empty bank accounts.

It is amazing how effective this approach is.
The RICH need to start paying their fair share.

[tommcc99]

41. 63 Male exCPA Veteran small business owner......

The demographic experts would say that I'm supposed to hate everyone, be selfish and love T-Rump.

I have always been a liberal / progressive.

But I'm not and I don't. My grandparents lived in tents but survived the Great Depression because of WPA jobs. I went to college and bought my first house through the GI bill. Social security is a an important part of my retirement (whats left of it after Wall Street f%^ked us over - that's another topic) Democratic socialism is what and who we are and I am proud to part of a country with that tradition - tarnished though it is.

Bernie's values and positions are the fundamental American values of hard work, opportunity, a level playing field, equality, respect and taking care of your neighbor that I grew up with.

Bernie is trustworthy. He has earned it.

Hillary is untrustworthy. She has earned it.

Peace

[leftofcool]

2. Oh please.

Many people under 50 like her, as well as Indies and extremely liberal folks. Get over it already!

[BillZBubb]

4. Many is such a fuzzy term.

"Many" won't be enough to win the election with negatives as high as hers.

[dchill]

67. Many=6.

Many, many=12.
Extrapolate.

[Cobalt Violet]

26. you keep posting the same tired ole lines all the time.

YOU GET OVER IT! and here this is for you :

[BillZBubb]

3. You just cannot overcome that much negativity in one election campaign.

Our only hope, if Hillary is the nominee, is to be easily able to show the repug candidate is far worse.

We know there is no question the repug will be far worse. But we are Democrats. it is the independent voters that have to be convinced. And they have to be so convinced that they are motivated to go out and vote for Hillary. That will be a problem.

[Vote2016]

5. agreed!

[MissDeeds]

13. +1

[SciDude]

35. I've done it many times before but I refuse to do it again...

I cannot in good conscience vote for a conservative oligarch like Clinton and I no longer believe in voting for "the lesser of two evils" because it simply perpetuates evil.

Democrats are in trouble if something doesn't shake up this race.

[jmowreader]

6. History says you are very wrong

1968:



Nixon received 301 electoral votes and won 32 states

1972:

Nixon was even LESS popular in his reelection campaign than he was when he ran the first two times...

520 electoral votes, 49 states won

[Attorney in Texas]

7. I agree that Clinton is Nixonian, but I'm otherwise unpersuaded

[hifiguy]

9. Her campaigns have certainly been straight out of the Nixon playbook.

Spiced up with a bit of Atwater and Rove just to keep up with the times.

[TIME TO PANIC]

18. She's perfected their tactics.

She's fooled intelligent voters. Rove and Atwater picked the low hanging fruit.

[chapdrum]

37. Well said...

When day is done, all of the Clintons are quite comfortable with keeping of the company of proven winners (as Atwater and Rove).

The Clinton Global Initiative receives funding from the Peter G. Peterson Foundation (proof found on its website), which has as one of its many noble goals, the privatization of Social Security. Chelsea makes speeches on its behalf.

Petey was Sec. of Commerce under Ronzo.

[hifiguy]

40. The whole Clinton clan certainly likes rubbing elbows with

some of the vilest people on earth: Kissinger, Peterson, the Bush Crime Family (into which they have been adopted, per Whistle Ass himself), Blankfein, Dimon, Murdoch and even Trump himself.

My parents told me that I would be judged by the company I kept. Guess no one ever told the Clintons that.

[TIME TO PANIC]

16. LOL!

[Live and Learn]

62. Right down to her transcripts. It really is incredible. nt

[Fast Walker 52]

66. Indeed!

[angrychair]

11. I find this amusing

Your post both concedes that the majority of people don't trust or like your candidate and that she is similar to Nixon at the same time.

It is also awkward that while conceding this you also state you don't care and that winning is all that matters.

"Winning at any cost" is no way to win.

[TBF]

29. That's really not a winning argument -

you do know how the story ended, correct?

[jmowreader]

32. I also know how it began

And how it began was Nixon running against two decent, honorable men - Hubert Humphrey and George McGovern - and beating them both.

[chapdrum]

33. And if we're lucky,

we'll get to hold our noses and vote, yet again, for the lesser of two evils - as is the case, over and over again.

The Wall St. candidate vs. The Mussolini Wannabe.

Got it.

[jmowreader]

39. No, if we're REALLY lucky we can see your candidate lose 49 states in the general election

Give the GOP two weeks to work on Bernie Sanders, and not even you will like him.

[TBF]

43. And you really think we can't say the same about your candidate?

Today's Washington Post: U.S. judge orders discovery to go forward over Clinton’s private email system (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/us-judge-weighs-deeper-probe-into-clintons-private-email-system/2016/02/23/9c27412a-d997-11e5-81ae-7491b9b9e7df_story.html)

[jmowreader]

45. Not sure how many times the GOP plans to investigate this

Now explain this:

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/breaking-bernie-sanders-caught-funneling-money-to/

[Politicalboi]

57. Old News

Try again. So all you guys have are Hillary's not as bad as........

[TBF]

65. You really want to talk about Chelsea's First Class Flights -

it seems we are just getting started here: http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/clinton-foundation-bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-tax-records-revenue-grants/

I can keep going on this topic for a LONG time.

[jmowreader]

69. I'm hep. You WANT to meet my Ignore list.

Can do easy.

[TBF]

70. It's probably for the best

So that will make you #92 on mine. See you after the primaries.

[Politicalboi]

56. LOL!

They need more than 2 weeks, and even then they wouldn't find ANYTHING! Did Bernie's wife have affairs? Because the GOP IS going there too.

[Politicalboi]

55. Comparing her to Nixon

I think the word Reelection is the key there. She is NOT being reelected, or elected for that matter.

[hifiguy]

8. I agree.

Her trustworthiness/honesty numbers have been seen before - they look like Richard Nixon's after the Saturday Night Massacre.

She's the kiss of death in the GE, and I have been saying it for a while. Why? Simple.

Herself completely alienates the left//liberal base who are already sick to fucking death of voting for the lesser of two evils. Has zero appeal to independents and the disaffected. On top of that, the Repig cave-orc base will do everything short of coming out of graves just to vote against her. She's worth an additional 2-3 million votes for Repigs nationwide.

Hindenburg/Titanic scale disaster awaits with Herself at the top of the ticket. And when she goes down in flames, the left will be blamed and the party winched ever further to the right by the billionaires, banksters, and the MIC.

Make book on it.

Bernie or Bust.

[MissDeeds]

14. Nailed it

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. I actually think a few zombies

will walk though hell fire to vote against her. I'd better carry the camera over to the cemetery... (I halk kid)

the sentiment against her among republicans and indies is not nice.

that said my state will go blue regardless

[hifiguy]

24. Mine too. I can vote my conscience.

[PyaarRevolution]

12. I think only dyed in the wool, beltway Democrats like Hillary.

Or mostly. My parents don't like her at all and they gave me the impression they didn't even like her with Bill. My parents have been Democrats for a long, long time.

I think everyone is sick and tired as well of the media fawning over her as well.

[warrprayer]

15. But they will give her the nomination anyway

To keep Bernie out of the White House is priority one.

[Vinca]

17. Holy shiite - she's 4 pts. over Trump for dishonesty!

[MisterP]

19. if they win they have the power: if they lose they can blame us and further exclude us: win-win

[MariaThinks]

20. Agreed. Let's vote Hillary.

[Dragonfli]

21. Well, she can always cheat to win in the General Election Right?

It worked well for her in some (that just happened to be photoed) precincts in the caucuses. I am sure in the places not caught on camera every one was a straight up honest deal!

I also believe my dog wont eat my sandwich when I'm not looking.................... Oh shit!, I went to the bathroom, and it's gone! A unicorn must have stolen what was left of my half eaten grilled cheese!. (I don't have a picture of it this time, so this time I know my doggie was a perfect angel. )


I believe a person or dog acts in a way that comes natural to them.


Hillary needs private server Diebold machines pronto!

[debunction.junction]

25. Thank you for the post, but let's dispense with the facts shall we?

Facts make things very confusing.

[procon]

27. Oops! I thought this was a thread about Ted Cruz.

It is DU, afterall, a place where I come to support Democrats... all of 'em.

[Attorney in Texas]

28. You're thinking of General Discussion, not General Discussion: Primaries. Plus Cruz does 15% better

than Clinton in terms of voters finding him honest, which is a disgusting fact because Cruz is as odious a person as has ever walked the earth and STILL he is better trusted than the person we are considering nominating to lead our Democratic Party into a popularity contest decided by the same folks who pick the winners on American Idol.

[procon]

42. Politicians aren't synonymous with "trust".

There are few professions that I would list in that column; not religion, medicine, or even history, which is always written by the victors.

Color me skeptical, it's my favorite hat, but when I look back at the eight presidents I have voted for, with the possible exception of Jimmy Carter -- who wasn't especially effective -- none of them were anywhere close to being trustworthy characters. Our most memorable and powerfully effective past American Presidents were a devil's brew of arrogant, cunning, treacherous, merciless and scheming sovereign rulers who would -- and frequently did -- the most despicable and horrendous deeds under the guise of safeguarding our national interests.

For good or naught, does Hillary Clinton fall into that audacious group, oh,yes, indeed. Bernie Sanders, much like the well respected and admired Jimmy Carter, is a kindly gentleman, a good and decent man, but I don't think he has the same brazen chops to deal with the world-class villains we're facing.

[Vogon_Glory]

30. What, All The Republican Voters Are Going To Vote For Trump?

What, all the Republicans who have ( and ought to) reservations about Trump's economic and foreign policy proposals are going to dutifully line up and vote for him?

And The majority of AA and Latino voters are going to become Trimpsters too, especially as the racist dog whistles go audible?

Sorry, I don't buy that.

The right-wing hate machine was already active before the fall 2008 campaign started. I doubt anything close to a plurality of the folks who listen to RW talk radio or read Breibart would vote for Team Donkey even if Bernie Sanders got annointed in public by G*d's holy angels and Old Testament prophets.

I think Hillary has a shot of capturing a lot of the Republican vote, that portion that is eclipsed in GOP primaries by the nutcases but still has tangential connections with sanity.

[Attorney in Texas]

34. So we bet the whole election on the Republicans choosing Trump over Rubio? Sanders beats them both,

Clinton vs. Trump is a close race and Clinton vs. Rubio is a Democratic loss of epic proportions.

{{SPOILER ALERT -- They are going to nominate Rubio}}}

[Vogon_Glory]

46. I Disagree: Club Pachyderm Is Going To Nominate Trump

I think that the Repuds are going to nominate Trump. The average Repud votes with their "lizard brain" these days instead of making thoughtful, informed decisions. The Donald does a much better job of appealing to the Repud brain than Rubio does. The Repuds have shown a penchant for voting against the "other" these last 20 years. With the exception of a Bobby Jingles here (I got the nick-name from a stupid, vicious RW troll on another forum), a Nikki Haley there, and maybe an Allan West over yonder, Repuds vote against the "other." Marco Rubio is too "other" for Repuds' "lizard brains."

[Vote2016]

48. I hope you are right

[Dont call me Shirley]

31. K & R

[SciDude]

36. Modern "moderate" Democrats are status-quo and pro-oligarchy and they are perfectly willing to

accept a thoroughly corrupt leader like Clinton. In fact, they view it as a positive as they are falsely under the impression that it makes her a better rock-em-sock-em robot to take on the Republicans.

Little do they know, of course, that oligarchs are all on the same team and only kick around political footballs for the distraction of the "moderate" masses.

[Avalux]

44. Good post. Welcome to DU!

[Sancho]

38. Do you mean like Nixon?

[Vote2016]

47. Fucking Nixon created OSHA, the EPA, the Clean Water and Air Acts - don't sully his accomplishments

[Sancho]

60. I met Nixon after he was VP.

He was distrusted and disliked. He won the election.

[Corey_Baker08]

49. We Cannot Win The Election With An 70 Year Old Socialist

[Attorney in Texas]

50. If his age is an issue, then we agree Hillary should take a one-term pledge? Polls say voters trust

an honest social democrat over a dishonest third way centrist.

[Corey_Baker08]

51. The Key Word Is Socialist

[Attorney in Texas]

53. So the 70 year old part was just an ageist slur? Gotcha. You know the difference between a socialist

and a democratic socialist, right?

[Corey_Baker08]

59. I Do But A Majority Of Americans Don't Know The Difference

Hillary Clinton Is 68 This Has Nothing To Do With Age...

[Politicalboi]

52. Some want to defy reality

Welcome President Trump!!!!

[Attorney in Texas]

54. Only Sanders can defeat Trump and Rubio. Clinton cannot beat either (and Clinton vs. Rubio wouldn't

even be close).

[williesgirl]

58. I'm 70 and support Bernie

[Calista241]

61. I love the part where

"Capable of being President / Qualified" is tied with "Criminal / Crooked / Thief / Belongs in jail."

I just don't see how someone like that drives the turnout required to win a General Election.

[ericson00]

63. you do realize that Trump and Hillary's numbers in your poll

are nearly identical, if not statistically identical given the MoE?

[PonyUp]

71. kick n/t