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Foreign Policy is More Than War and Peace | Jane Sanders (Original Post) Gregorian Feb 2016 OP
Kicked & rec'd! ebayfool Feb 2016 #1
Awesome! Flotus! jillan Feb 2016 #2
She's so relaxed in a public setting, not trying to sell herself... Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #3
And what I'm finding very entertaining is hearing a number of these big troublesome issues on TV. Gregorian Feb 2016 #4
Yeah, I know what you mean about the corpo-fascist media! Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #6
The media has caused much of this mess we're in. Gregorian Feb 2016 #7
The Bernie Sanders revolution is amazing to me! Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #9
First, I want to thank you for the inspiring words. Gregorian Feb 2016 #10
Will do mid-week. Tied up for a few days. Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #11
she seems nice Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #5
She's a wonderful watch.. KoKo Feb 2016 #8

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
3. She's so relaxed in a public setting, not trying to sell herself...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:17 PM
Feb 2016

...so obviously comfortable within herself, so well-informed, so open, so engaged.

And her statement that foreign policy is about educators and doctors and nurses (implied, not about imposing "free trade for the rich," not domineering for corporate interests, not about arms deals and war) was simple, straightforward and eloquent. THAT is what America should be to the world: helping teachers, improving medical care--not being the biggest arms dealer on earth, not threatening everyone.

Let me riff on Jane for a moment: This country can succeed by being an EXAMPLE of a decent society and promoting decency and fairness everywhere else. Unfortunately, that is not how the world sees us, and--the tragedy of this century and much of the last century--they see and know quite the opposite--not just as a bad example of vast inequality, gun craziness and war, horrible as it is, but also transglobal corporations spawned from our shores stealing their resources, forcing them to shut down social programs, militarizing their police and a host of evil deeds, including our support for fascist dictatorships like Saudi Arabia and the blundering disaster that Hillary Clinton helped create in the Middle East and north Africa--as if what the Bushwhacks did was not enough, now we have destabilization throughout the ME and more war.

I see that Obama, via Secretary of State John Kerry, is fighting hard to bring some peace initiatives to his legacy--with the historic overture to Cuba, the historic overture to Iran and (not many know about this) the successful peace talks between Colombia and Colombia's leftist guerillas--a civil war that has been going on for 50+ years, stoked immensely by U.S. war profiteers and the corrupt, murderous, failed U.S. "war on drugs." I'm quite certain that that peace agreement could not have occurred without Obama's support.

These are great accomplishments, but it will take much more to regain the world's trust. Bernie Sanders is very strongly committed to diplomacy first, and to war as a last resort if necessary to our defense. Clinton, unfortunately, is a recipient of war profiteer funds, voted FOR the Iraq War, and greatly contributed to the disastrous chaos in Libya and Syria and the rise of ISIS into that vacuum. If we want to build a constructive peace with the world based on our example of a decent society here, Bernie Sanders is the only candidate truly committed to those goals.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
4. And what I'm finding very entertaining is hearing a number of these big troublesome issues on TV.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:59 PM
Feb 2016

National TV. People may be hearing some of these for the first time. It a long list. So this is big progress. But the nation is sick, and in some cases it can be a slow recovery. We've lost our feedback mechanisms, and so people don't realize there are problems.

Dinner is being made right now, so thank you for your excellent thoughts. It's a nervous time right now.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
6. Yeah, I know what you mean about the corpo-fascist media!
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 05:24 AM
Feb 2016

I gave up TV a long time ago, but I do try to keep up with what's going on there, as to...ahem...'news'. It is literally mind-boggling. I'll tell you what did it for me. I'd been off the TV opiate for a while, then I went into a big city to join a big protest march against Gulf War I. At a friend's house I saw the Gulf War presented as SPECTACLE, on TV, like the gladiator shows in ancient Rome. I was appalled. The TV war I had known was Vietnam and it was real--so very, very real. Gulf War I was, simply, NOT real, in any way. (Nor was our 30,000 people protest march--barely mentioned--but that's a given.)

So this is what most people have been soaking up for decades now. It's a wonder people can think at all. And it's a further wonder that we don't have more people going blewy and shooting up kindergartens and churches.

I think TV quite literally fractures the human psyche into splintery parts.

It is wondrous, though, to see people wake up from this relentless brainwashing--wake up hungry for real information, for expressions of the true realities of peoples' lives, hungry for honesty and integrity, and somehow able to put the splintered parts of themselves back together. Luckily for all of us, the internet has been cooking along, growing and evolving, into a incredible information provider AND as an organizing tool! And as a place where ordinary people can find their voice again as citizens! And, lucky for us, that these young techs who know how to use it come up with posters like: "Vote Bernie Sanders: He is not an asshole."

These kids (I get to call them that--I'm 70) weren't watching TV when they were young (well, maybe Star Trek*). They were programming!. And, amazingly, they pack an encyclopedia of political sophistication into that word, asshole.

THEY are our new feedback mechanism.


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*(And John Stewart. A whole lot of these sort of kids--savvy kids--got all their political information from John Stewart's jokes and mockeries. They did and do watch TV but very selectively.)

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
7. The media has caused much of this mess we're in.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:36 PM
Feb 2016

I was lucky in that my parents knew tv was a problem. I remember Vietnam on tv. We watched Laugh-in, and pretty much 5pm news. I grew up in a brilliant and liberal neighborhood. Who knows what I would have become had I lived in some low level neighborhood. So I haven 't changed over the years in terms of how I approach and digest politics.

This is the difficult task we're faced; one which we will turn around with the help of Bernie Sanders.

Reagan repealed the Fairness Doctrine just so there would be large pockets of Americans who did not know the truth about the state of affairs.

It's hard to even know what to say, since this is so new. We are learning very quickly now. Occupy is an example. We learned about the 1%. We finally realized the degree and cause of wealth inequality.

It's more than just being aware. I don't believe the Clinton supporters, especially on this forum, don't know what Bernie stands for. I think there's greed in their choice as well.

Right now I'm nervous, yet hopeful. When I spend time watching the live feeds on youtube, I am seeing outstanding comments from all ages and types, which indicates to me that there is a real yearning for the truth, and for the morals and vision of Martin Luther King Jr. That, to me, is what this election is about. Bringing MLK's dream to life. The media is quickly becoming obsolete as these fantastic new independent media roots sprout.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
9. The Bernie Sanders revolution is amazing to me!
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 03:31 AM
Feb 2016

Never thought I would see this happen again in my lifetime--a sudden growth of consciousness affecting an entire generation, as I experienced in the 1960s.

And I hope they learn from our failures, cuz we didn't really get a whole lot done, as to the "military-industrial complex" and now add to that, the "prison-industrial complex," AND the impact of these forces, not just as to worsening poverty and injustice, here and elsewhere, but threatening the entire planet by use of fossil fuels. Nobody knew about the threat to the planet back then. A few voices crying in the wilderness. A few successful campaigns such as getting rid of DDT. But nobody--except maybe Indigenous peoples living close to nature--knew how much trouble we were in.

Anyway, we have loaded this and the next generations with an enormous burden of problems that really do require a revolution, as Bernie says--a very determined, well-informed, BIG revolution. He is close to the organic farmers in Vermont. That is one key.

I would say: Beware of being discouraged. This revolution needs to be very steady on its feet, very persistent, very resilient. It's not about Bernie. It's about all of us. That is one of his most wonderful points, that he makes again and again. He is so right. The forces that DON'T want him to be president are very, very powerful--like nothing anybody has ever seen before in human history, and they also subtle and wily. We need to learn about those forces, and how they operate, as we campaign. I DO think young people are getting this, and maybe are way ahead of me. But I would emphasize that DEMORALIZATION is one of the most effective tactics of these forces. Once you understand this, they cannot defeat you, even if you lose a particular battle.

I can tell that Bernie Sanders knows this. He cannot be demoralized, even if he loses the election. He knows how high the stakes are--the fate of our country and our democracy, and the fate of the human race itself, and the planet and all its critters and its beauty. He will never give up. He'll run 'til he's 90 years old, if he's still around and kicking. His purpose is not personal power, glory or money--as Clinton's is, and as all the Republicans are, and just about everybody in elected office. His purpose is to awaken us. I'm sure he'd like to gain the power to do the things he believes in. But he won't be stopped if he doesn't get it this time.

That is very inspiring to me. I've been in a lot of political and environmental and civil rights campaigns, and, at 70, it's easy to feel discouraged, even crushed, by the powers arrayed against the causes I've campaigned for, and the lack of progress. But, hey, Bernie's older than me, has done a lot more than I have, and has never given up and never will. What a great man!

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
10. First, I want to thank you for the inspiring words.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 12:10 PM
Feb 2016

I was discouraged this morning. Just thinking about who was on that stage last night is enough to discourage me. Just who inhabits this continent, idiots? Helen and Margaret addressed that one this morning. I'm completely on the same wavelength as you. I, however, did know what troubles we were in, back in the early 70's. I knew the ice caps were going to melt. That has caused me massive grief in my life. But that's another story. What I want to thank you for is bringing to attention the context which we need to use in order to face this. Bernie does have that bigger picture. I don't know how he keeps his optimism up, but you hinted at it.

But I really want to ask is if you would post a new topic with at least your thoughts in several of the paragraphs you wrote. I think it's important for people in this forum to hear. Persistence and resilience are not at the forefront of our thoughts as we find ourselves in the middle of this stressful election. I haven't heard any comments addressing this in a logical way as you have done. My biggest fear is that we'll see massive abandonment and discouragement in our party, and process. And I can understand why, if it happens. What is very important is that we hear what you have said; to see this in a bigger context.

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