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Avalux

(35,015 posts)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:26 PM Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders Has Earned His Success. Hillary Clinton Embodies White Privilege

After two major wars and failed policies that devastated the Middle East, do you think a black or Latina woman could run for president on a record of voting for Iraq, while simultaneously defending against an email scandal?

If white privilege has any definition, it's the ability to be linked to an FBI investigation, while simultaneously touting one's experience.

If Michelle Obama had been involved in endless scandals, one can only imagine the effects on her political future, especially if she were to run for public office. Being a Clinton, and being a white woman, has benefited Hillary tremendously.

Even with the FBI investigating a private server, and with 67% of Americans distrusting her, Clinton is still running for president. You simply can't earn that kind of overt privilege; it's given to you by the same people who complain about it in progressive publications.

-more at link-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-has-earned-his-success_b_9304428.html

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Bernie Sanders Has Earned His Success. Hillary Clinton Embodies White Privilege (Original Post) Avalux Feb 2016 OP
Because white male < white female... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2016 #1
Did you read the article? Avalux Feb 2016 #2
Hillary is our Romney RobertEarl Feb 2016 #23
Thank you. Avalux Feb 2016 #25
The Title of This OP Is So Damning But No Less So TOTALLY Appropriate in Context! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #75
Read this..... 840high Feb 2016 #88
IMO This is huge factor in her low "likeable" rating kcjohn1 Feb 2016 #3
I think a lot of people can see it's all about power and ambition for her. Avalux Feb 2016 #6
Ah, yes. She's SOO ambitious, a terrible quality for a presidential candidate to have EffieBlack Feb 2016 #16
It is when she's in it for herself. Not much different than Trump's motivations. n/t Avalux Feb 2016 #18
Only in a female one Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #22
Bullhockey. Ambition in service to help people is great. Ambition for ones own glorification is not. peacebird Feb 2016 #28
Hillary does have a history Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #29
Supporting "welfare reform", supporting more H1b visas & outsourcing? Supporting clusterbombs? peacebird Feb 2016 #30
All candidates have a mixed record Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #31
She flips and flops based on polls. What DOES she stand for? What can you truly believe? peacebird Feb 2016 #32
All I hear from you are talking points Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #33
How do you KNOW? She says anything the polls tell her. And she LIES. Repeatedly. On tape. peacebird Feb 2016 #34
More talking points. nt Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #35
No. Facts. Sorry you don't like them but Hillary has been caught in way too many LIES peacebird Feb 2016 #36
Supporting Evidence... Self Indicting... CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #79
Bernie loses you on immigration, Lordquinton Feb 2016 #47
No, she's losing me on that too. Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #49
Yes it is when it's 840high Feb 2016 #89
Yes, because an elderly Socialist who never wanted to join the Democratic party until he decided Beacool Feb 2016 #93
It's called narcissism and women are not immune to it. n/t Avalux Feb 2016 #98
Trump is a narcissist, I don't see Hillary as being one. Beacool Feb 2016 #99
If HA Goodman were in charge of bridges and tunnels we would have had to abandon Manhattan dsc Feb 2016 #4
He's a terrible writer! LisaM Feb 2016 #7
^ This exactly EffieBlack Feb 2016 #10
OMG thank you, I almost clicked on that dreck. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #26
Thanks for saving me the time writing out a longer reply obamanut2012 Feb 2016 #52
Mansplaining and whitesplaining,that takes some talent. sufrommich Feb 2016 #5
Those both fall under the umbrella of "explaining" Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #82
I can always tell when it's HA Goodman ucrdem Feb 2016 #8
Do you think a black man Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #9
+1000. nt sufrommich Feb 2016 #11
Or if for the last 50 years, he lived in an all black community, rarely interacted with any white EffieBlack Feb 2016 #13
This exactly obamanut2012 Feb 2016 #54
A white woman is not having such an easy time of this either. EffieBlack Feb 2016 #12
I've also read here on DU more than once tammywammy Feb 2016 #14
Yes, that's right EffieBlack Feb 2016 #15
How else does a lawyer from AR become a NY Senator? TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #53
How dod a guy from New York become a SEnator from Vermont? obamanut2012 Feb 2016 #59
She has an excellent pedigree TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #60
I posted the article, doesn't mean I agree with it. Avalux Feb 2016 #17
Yes, the wife privilege has benefitted her so much EffieBlack Feb 2016 #21
You're entitled to your opinion of course. Avalux Feb 2016 #27
You're completely ignoring... freddyt Feb 2016 #42
She wasn't "handed" a Senate seat, she was elected into it obamanut2012 Feb 2016 #58
What other carpetbagger would have been so easily elected? TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #63
Carpetbagger?! obamanut2012 Feb 2016 #73
Yep. Carpetbagger. TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #74
Ding! Ding! Ding! TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #62
Really well said. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #19
She got her jobs through her husbands connections - swilton Feb 2016 #80
What White Male Privilege gets you FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #20
Perfect! EffieBlack Feb 2016 #24
Spot on! nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #37
Way off-base freddyt Feb 2016 #40
He is a white, straight male in the US obamanut2012 Feb 2016 #61
This remimds me of the infamous Romney 47% tape, in which he also says that it would lunamagica Feb 2016 #69
Yes obamanut2012 Feb 2016 #71
Do you honestly think that if Hillary had had a child out of wedlock she'd have any chance at lunamagica Feb 2016 #83
Brava, well said!!! Beacool Feb 2016 #44
But, you see, mr blur Feb 2016 #45
You did that so well ... ebayfool Feb 2016 #55
Pro capitalist, pro establishment slam poetry Lordquinton Feb 2016 #48
Jesus, where's the unrec button EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2016 #50
Perfect! lunamagica Feb 2016 #65
Nailed it. nt Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #67
Could you tell that to the white homeless dudes? Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #85
Why is everyone down on H. A. Goodman? chervilant Feb 2016 #38
Because in every article he acts as if Sanders is the second coming of a very liberal Lord. Beacool Feb 2016 #43
Amazing evolution. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #57
Well, to be fair she's got the whole rest of the media establishment kissing her ass Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #87
The whole media? Beacool Feb 2016 #90
In the immortal words of... freddyt Feb 2016 #39
Hillary Rodham was not born on third base obamanut2012 Feb 2016 #64
So a woman running for president embodies "white privilege"? Beacool Feb 2016 #41
If there ever was a person... freddyt Feb 2016 #46
I lifetime in politics both have spent liberal N proud Feb 2016 #51
She worked for this country for free for roughly 20 years. n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #56
Awwwww. Poor Hillary. TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #66
You can denigrate her service all you want, doesn't change the fact that Lucinda Feb 2016 #68
Yes, she has a lot of personal ambition TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #72
We live in a representative government system. You don't make lasting changes Lucinda Feb 2016 #76
Well, she's moved far too much TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #84
Maybe not, but for years she was the breadwinner of the family. Beacool Feb 2016 #91
It is. She is a hardworking, accomplished woman TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #92
I could think of several, one comes to mind: Bobby Kennedy. Beacool Feb 2016 #94
Perhaps you should read my post again? TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #95
The Clintons are not a dynasty unless Chelsea runs and wins office. Beacool Feb 2016 #96
Then let's just call them a powerful political family. TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #97
What an absolute load. nt Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #70
That is really laughable about someone who never even had a job until around age 40. nt Jitter65 Feb 2016 #77
Another load of horseshit and wishful thinking. n/t Lil Missy Feb 2016 #78
Hack Attack Goodman. LOL Metric System Feb 2016 #81
Good lord NobodyHere Feb 2016 #86
 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
1. Because white male < white female...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:34 PM
Feb 2016

In some fucked up universe.

White male is the EMBODIMENT of white privilege.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
23. Hillary is our Romney
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:53 PM
Feb 2016

She's rich and famous. She can get away with lots of things none of the rest of us could ever dream of.

That's why Bernie is running. He wants to change all that and make everyone equal, and in doing so open up the system so that it doesn't favor the rich and famous.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
75. The Title of This OP Is So Damning But No Less So TOTALLY Appropriate in Context!
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:28 PM
Feb 2016

Cannot allow this to die... Much less the transcripts.. I am sick of her BS commercials getting oin Florida already... That IS CORPORATE Wall Street MONEY Talkin'!

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
88. Read this.....
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:18 PM
Feb 2016

“Everybody does it,” is an excuse expected from a mischievous child, not a presidential candidate. But that is Hillary Clinton’s latest defense for making closed-door, richly paid speeches to big banks, which many middle-class Americans still blame for their economic pain, and then refusing to release the transcripts.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
3. IMO This is huge factor in her low "likeable" rating
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:38 PM
Feb 2016

I'm always drawn to the underdog. My whole life I have rooted for those disadvantaged. This is the essence of my liberalism. I'm have being fortunate in my life (through sheer hard work), but I've always empathized with the poor, sick, disabled, and those without means because that could have easily being me. This is why I support greater social safety net that ensures everyone can live in dignity.

It may be unfair to her but my impression of Hillary is that the core motivation of her political life is to further power her ambition. Not necessarily bad thing, but if you compare it to someone like Bernie, I don't think he got in this to further his political ambitions.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
6. I think a lot of people can see it's all about power and ambition for her.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:46 PM
Feb 2016

That's where the untrustworthy, unlikeable comes in. There isn't anything about Hillary's actions that tell me she really cares about us and wants to implement policies that will shift power away from big money.

She wants the prize and will do anything to get it.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
28. Bullhockey. Ambition in service to help people is great. Ambition for ones own glorification is not.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:21 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie has a career history of trying to make a positive difference in peoples lives.

Hillary does not.

Kinda like Bernie is honest and runs on issues, Hillary lies and has her surrogates smear with innuendo

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
29. Hillary does have a history
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016

of helping to create positive change in people's lives.

And there's plenty of research showing that ambition in women is interpreted more negatively than in men.

I'm sorry those facts don't fit your narrative.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
30. Supporting "welfare reform", supporting more H1b visas & outsourcing? Supporting clusterbombs?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

Supporting monsanto & unlabelled GMOs? Accepting megabucks donations from countries at the Clinton Foindations while serving as Sec of State and then approving weapins sales to those same countries? Actively promoting fracking? Actively working to keep Haitians salaries below 75cents and hour to help US manufacturers increase profits?

If THOSE are democratic values, clearly my party of over 40 years has left me.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
31. All candidates have a mixed record
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:40 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie included. He loses me on guns, immigration, lack of realism, and insufficient focus on gender and race.

Hillary lost me in 2008 primarily on the IWR vote. I still have some criticism of her. But that does not erase her positive record.

I can see the positives and negatives in both candidates. But like many Bernie supporters you are blind to Bernie's faults and rather one-sidedly negative on Hillary.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
32. She flips and flops based on polls. What DOES she stand for? What can you truly believe?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:46 PM
Feb 2016

I am serious. Her positions have been all over the map just in the last 8 months.

What will she DO if elected? Do you know? I believe she will swing hard right, supporting boots on the ground inSyria for one. She is clearly in favor of TPP and not labelling GMOs. She is clearly in favor of outsourcing, More H1B visas, fracking....

Bernie has been strong on civil rights and gender issues for his entire career. Hillary had to "evolve", slowly, very slowly, once the polls showed it was safe.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
33. All I hear from you are talking points
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:04 AM
Feb 2016

You folks have built up an image of Hillary that is based on distortions. Yes, she is a bit more conservative than Bernie, but hard right? No.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
34. How do you KNOW? She says anything the polls tell her. And she LIES. Repeatedly. On tape.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:07 AM
Feb 2016

All the R's have to do is run ads of her talking with her contradicting herself.

Bernie is consistent and has worked for the people his whole life. hillary has worked for her dream of being president. Not for US, but for herself.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
49. No, she's losing me on that too.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 04:21 PM
Feb 2016

As I said, all candidates have mixed records. I have criticism of both. In the end I made my choice based on which issues were most important to me and especially on who I think will make the most effective president.

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
93. Yes, because an elderly Socialist who never wanted to join the Democratic party until he decided
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 01:16 AM
Feb 2016

to run for president is not seeking power and is not ambitious.

How about a young senator who had only been in the Senate 2 years before he decided to run for president? He wasn't ambitious and didn't seek power?

How about every single man who has sought to become president. They weren't ambitious or craved power?

I guess it's just Hillary who is deemed to be ambitious and power seeking.

What a truckload of manure!!!!



Beacool

(30,249 posts)
99. Trump is a narcissist, I don't see Hillary as being one.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

She believes in service and that she still has a lot to offer. That's not being a narcissist. You may not like her, but that doesn't mean that what you wrote is factual.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
4. If HA Goodman were in charge of bridges and tunnels we would have had to abandon Manhattan
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:43 PM
Feb 2016

and he has the nerve to talk about other people who shouldn't have jobs. Goodman has written column after column after column that was nothing but deluded dreck.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
7. He's a terrible writer!
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:54 PM
Feb 2016

"Militarism, and it's affects within American society..." huh?

That said, I think he's wrong. Bernie Sanders has his own type of privilege. I say this not to denigrate his past, because I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but a woman candidate could not have lived out the same life and be viable - if she'd lived out in the woods and done odd jobs, had a child out of wedlock, came to campaign events looking rumpled, never combed her hair, and waved her arms about while debating, no one would even be looking at her. She's had to go on a different path. She may have white privilege but he definitely has male privilege!

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
26. OMG thank you, I almost clicked on that dreck.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:58 PM
Feb 2016

You saved me.

And also, ahaahahahahahahahaahaha

I could say so much about the subject line up there, but I'm in a good mood right now and don't need the grief. But if Hillary had lived in the woods until she was 40 before getting a career, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
52. Thanks for saving me the time writing out a longer reply
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:55 PM
Feb 2016

Just wtf.

People also forget Hillary wasn't born into wealth, she earned her coin. Plus, she is a woman, the world's scapegoat.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
82. Those both fall under the umbrella of "explaining"
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:41 PM
Feb 2016

Which is terribly offensive to people trying to enjoy their god-given right to live in ignorance!

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
8. I can always tell when it's HA Goodman
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:58 PM
Feb 2016

because there's at least one 180-degree reversal of reality. Here for example he's trying to assign white male privilege to Hillary and it isn't quite working out.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
9. Do you think a black man
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:01 PM
Feb 2016

with wild hair, a 60's radical aura, a child born out of wedlock, a man who calls himself a democratic socialist, and who talks of revolution, could run for president and be taken seriously in this country?

Heck, do you think a woman, of any color, who meets that description, could?

Bernie is great, but to pretend that either a man of color, or a woman of any race or ethnicity, could be a successful politician if they shared his general outlook, life story, etc., is naive. He benefits greatly from white and male privilege.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
13. Or if for the last 50 years, he lived in an all black community, rarely interacted with any white
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:23 PM
Feb 2016

people in any substantial way throughout his entire political career, do you think he would be taken seriously as a presidential candidate?

Of course not.

It's bad enough that Sanders supporters try to spin his commendable, but very limited participation in the civil rights movement into Great White Hope status, but their efforts to now paint Hillary Clinton as a white privilege candidate while Bernie "earned" his success is ridiculous. This attitude is surely one of the reasons that black folks have been giving him a great big "meh."

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
12. A white woman is not having such an easy time of this either.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:14 PM
Feb 2016

It's not like she's getting a free ride on any of these issues.

It's fascinating that women have been excluded from the upper ranks of the political elite since this nation's inception and now that the first woman is managing to get in there, she's now being accused of invoking some unfair special privilege.

Where have we seen this phenomenon before?

Actually, it's kind of a hoot to see, out of the numerous white people running for president this year, it is Hillary Clinton who is singled out and accused of benefitting from white privilege - by a white man. However, no discussion of Hillary's supposed "white privilege" can be had with any integrity without considering the degree to which her femaleness offsets her whiteness. And it's pretty rich to see this claim endorsed by supporters of a candidate who, as Lisa M beautifully explains, utterly exemplifies white male privilege in America.

I call BS.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
14. I've also read here on DU more than once
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:26 PM
Feb 2016

That Hillary only got where she is because of who she married. Not her education, not being a senator or SoS, but because who she married.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
15. Yes, that's right
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:31 PM
Feb 2016

I've even seen it argued that she wouldn't be where she is if she hadn't been First Lady - since, as we know, since that position has been a tried and true stepping stone for so many previous First Ladies to become President of the United States.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
59. How dod a guy from New York become a SEnator from Vermont?
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:04 PM
Feb 2016

By being elected by the residents of that state, just like HRC.

HRC is much more accomplished than her husband, so this "coattails" thing just baffles me.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
60. She has an excellent pedigree
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:09 PM
Feb 2016

Great educational accomplishments. For sure.

However, if she had not been a governor's wife and then a president's wife, would she truly have been elected as a senator for New York? A carpetbagger senator for New York? I would imagine that you are NOT going to answer that question because there is only one way to answer that question - "No."

You can write all you want about her "coulda', shoulda', woulda's," but the fact is, she got where she was because she was Bill Clinton's wife.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
17. I posted the article, doesn't mean I agree with it.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:35 PM
Feb 2016

It is fascinating though, to see all the Hillary supporters ignore the many, many advantages being married to Bill has afforded her. With that name (and granted, in combination with her own smarts and abilities), she has used it for all it's worth. She's an opportunist if nothing else.

I've said it before and I'll say it again now. If Hillary had divorced Bill, changed her name to Rodham and got where she is from working hard without his influence, I'd vote for her in a second.

Then again, I realize she'd never be where she is if her name wasn't Clinton.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
21. Yes, the wife privilege has benefitted her so much
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:53 PM
Feb 2016

Just like all of the other president's wives who have parlayed their spousal relationship into becoming President of the United States.

I call BS on that, too.

She's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

When Hillary Clinton graduated at the top of her law school class, she did not have the privilege her white male counterparts did of deciding to launch a "traditional" political career. She could not follow their path toward political life since women int he 1970s just didn't have that option. So she decided to marry a man who shared her commitment and go with him to Arkansas to help him with his career while working her ass off on the causes that she cared about.

When she ran for President in 2008, she was frequently told that she didn't have the right experience, that she had ONLY been a lawyer and a First Lady and that didn't qualify her to be President. Never mind that the pool of "appropriate" jobs that qualified people to become president - governor, senator, congressperson - were very homogenous pools that had, until a few years before, virtually excluded women. Interestingly, Barack Obama was accused of the same lack of "qualifications" because his career as a lawyer and community organizer supposedly didn't properly equip him to be president and he was criticized for not having been a member of the right "club" for long enough.

And since then, Hillary Clinton served as Secretary of State - not because she was Bill Clinton's wife, but because of her own qualifications. Because no one can say with a straight face that a former Secretary of State is not qualified to be president, the new argument against her is that she availed herself of the "advantages" of being the wife of a president, which makes her an opportunist since "she'd never be where she is if her name wasn't Clinton."

In other words, no matter WHAT she does, it's not good enough, something that women and minorities consistently have to deal with.

No man (at least no white man) is EVER criticized for using whatever opportunities they have.

So, I call BS on this. Loudly and clearly. B-S.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
27. You're entitled to your opinion of course.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:08 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary is not a victim, it's not damned if she does damned if she doesn't. Hillary has compromised herself through her own actions.

 

freddyt

(27 posts)
42. You're completely ignoring...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:27 PM
Feb 2016

...the fact that Hillary Clinton was handed a senate seat because she was the wife of a former POTUS.

I would also say that she was handed the SoS position as a strategic move by Obama to avoid being primaried in 2012 and not because she was the most qualified.

And I can definitely say with a straight face that having been a Secretary of State does not automatically qualify to be a POTUS.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
58. She wasn't "handed" a Senate seat, she was elected into it
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:02 PM
Feb 2016

By the people of New York.

No one forced the electorate to do that. And, she served her constituents well.

Goof lord.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
63. What other carpetbagger would have been so easily elected?
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:12 PM
Feb 2016

With a built-in machine ready to put her in office?

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
73. Carpetbagger?!
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:21 PM
Feb 2016

That term must mean something different in Texas than it does in NC.

lolz

thanks for the laugh

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
74. Yep. Carpetbagger.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:25 PM
Feb 2016

The term has broader usage, now; doncha' know?

She moved to another state and the powers that be bankrolled her into office.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=carpet+bagger.

And, OMG, Hillary is used as the example!

"Today, the phrase refers to someone who moves to a new location for opportunistic reasons.

Hillary is a carpet bagger."

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
20. What White Male Privilege gets you
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:28 AM - Edit history (3)

What White Male Privilege
Gets you in 2016 America
by FrenchieCat

You can run for President
walking around at 75,
screaming Political Revolution,
with a heavy Brooklyn accent.

Hailing from a small blue state,
promising to raise your taxes,
and re-fight the healthcare battle,
even though this one's not done.

Pushing 30 trillion in spending,
and that's just for early starters,
with no FP bonafide besides a vote,
in a time of global terror,
while appearing disheveled,
waving hands around.

Having a family history
that's quite complicated,
and being non religious
(even if he was born Jewish)
and not being the slightest worried
how that might go down.

With only a BA in Political science,
and Socialist affiliations
promises to redistribute the wealth,
with documented speeches orating
to turn capitalism upside down.

Promising everybody Free everything,
knowing damn well Congress' gerrymandered
to stay that way for years to come,
without an actual answer to HOW
any of it will get done!

Have some folks truly believing
he can win many Primaries
to go on to the general election
and beat the other running
to become the President!

So I disagree with the premise
that White males are suffering,
because all one needs to have going on,
is White Skin, male parts, and a microphone.

 

freddyt

(27 posts)
40. Way off-base
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:09 PM
Feb 2016

This is the most ridiculous characterization of what "privilege" means that I've ever seen.

Ignoring that you're doubling down on the $30 trillion spending canard that's so retarded even Republicans aren't even touching it, you fail to understand that Sanders DOES NOT have the privilege of not being criticized for his positions, even by so-called "liberals" in the Democratic party.

He also doesn't have the privilege of not having to oppose one of the dirtiest Democratic primary campaigns in recent memory. The smear tactics you Hillary supporters are employing would make even Teabaggers proud.

He also doesn't have the privilege of being showered with money by super PACs.

American politics is littered with failed candidacies by old white heterosexual, cis-gendered males pushing so-called "socialist" policies. Do you really think the "red fear" that's been ingrained in the American psyche for the past 70+ years goes out the window because this particular "socialist" is running against a female?

If honestly you think the fact that Bernie Sanders even stands a chance against Clinton is due to "white male privilege", you don't know what privilege means.

You ask yourself this: If Hillary Clinton been a cisgender male candidate, pushing center to center-right policies, and whose campaign is teeming with millions of dollars in super PAC money, would you honestly be supporting him?

Just face facts. Hillary Clinton is mediocre Democratic candidate with a resume filled with a lot of bullet points but little substance. The only reason she has even the slightest chance of winning the nomination is because of her privilege of being a white cisgender female with name recognition.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
61. He is a white, straight male in the US
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:09 PM
Feb 2016

Who isn't poor, and who is a long-time member of the most elite and exclusive "club" in the US.

That is being a poster child of privilege in this country. Nothing wrong with that, and I'll be voting for Bernie if he gets the nomination, but this narrative that he is some unknown on the fringe is ludicrous.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
69. This remimds me of the infamous Romney 47% tape, in which he also says that it would
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:19 PM
Feb 2016

be easier for him to win if he was Hispanic

Right, because we've had dozens of Hispanic presidents -just like we've had dozens of women presidents.

They just don't get it. Being white and male gives you a huge, HUGE advantage over the rest

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
83. Do you honestly think that if Hillary had had a child out of wedlock she'd have any chance at
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:41 PM
Feb 2016

running for president?

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
45. But, you see,
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:25 PM
Feb 2016

Splitting sentences down into clauses,
and putting each one,
on a different line
with a random comma
here,
and there,

Does not hide the fact that,
you have very little to say worth listening to.
Granted, looks smarter than it is,
and people who know nothing about poetry
may even mistake it for the same.

But people who know anything about prose,
will recognise bad prose,
devoid of interesting ideas,
however it may be disguised!

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
38. Why is everyone down on H. A. Goodman?
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:13 PM
Feb 2016

If I read the article without looking at the author's name, I still glean a fundamental truth:

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is a talented woman with tremendous leadership skills and keen sense of purpose. She's survived decades of criticism from Republicans, in addition to the political baggage associated with her husband, and helped create a powerhouse within the Democratic Party. Although I'm the biggest Bernie Sanders booster on the internet, I appreciate the fact Hillary Clinton endured the sexism of the 1990's and once courageously battled Gingrich and other Republicans. She's earned a great deal of what she's built, and alongside Bill Clinton, helped redefine American politics in many respects.

However, what drives me to advocate a Bernie Sanders presidency in such a passionate manner can be summarized by the astute political evaluation of both Clintons from Joy-Ann Reid. In an interview with Amy Goodman on Democracy Now, Ms. Reid explains a central theme of her book titled Fracture: Barack Obama, the Clintons, and the Racial Divide:




JOY-ANN REID: Yeah, it's interesting, because Hillary Clinton has had this remarkable arc over the course of her life, from being a sort of conservative, "Goldwater Girl"...

And so she sort of occupied this strange space that has mirrored the Democratic Party, that's gone left, she's gone right, she's been hawkish, she's been sort of the neocon in the party.



In my writing and in my advocacy of Bernie Sanders, I've tried to highlight this critical aspect of the 2016 Election, albeit in a more forceful manner.

Hillary Clinton has gone right, and like Ms. Reid states, "she's been hawkish, she's been sort of the neocon in the party." In addition to Joy-Ann Reid, leading historians in The New York Times have discussed Hillary Clinton's neoconservative advisers, in addition to a future "neocon" foreign policy.


Hi11ary IS a neo-con, and she is NOT the candidate I support. In fact, I cannot fathom why ANYONE supports her.

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
43. Because in every article he acts as if Sanders is the second coming of a very liberal Lord.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:27 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders = Good

Hillary = Bad

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
87. Well, to be fair she's got the whole rest of the media establishment kissing her ass
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:15 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders can't have just one?

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
90. The whole media?
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 12:59 AM
Feb 2016

The media has always delighted in bashing her. I doubt that she would consider them as kissing her backside.

 

freddyt

(27 posts)
39. In the immortal words of...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:28 PM
Feb 2016

...Coach Barry Switzer (and made famous by Ann Richards), Hillary was born on 3rd base and thinks she hit a triple.

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
41. So a woman running for president embodies "white privilege"?
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:25 PM
Feb 2016

A white male entered the Democratic party's race, without actually ever having been a Democrat, and people should jump to support him?

I like the woman I'm supporting and I think that she has fought just as hard, or even harder, than any man running on either side.

I find it offensive to state that she hasn't "earned" it.

 

freddyt

(27 posts)
46. If there ever was a person...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:32 PM
Feb 2016

...to exemplify what "DINO" means, it's Hillary Clinton. That a person who's never been a Democrat can challenge for the Democratic ticket says more about Hillary Clinton than it does about Bernie Sanders and his supporters.

What exactly has Hillary Clinton ever fought "hard" for? She's been virtually handed every position of any import that she's ever held. And what exactly has she accomplished in those positions?

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
66. Awwwww. Poor Hillary.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:13 PM
Feb 2016

It was really tough living in the governor's mansion and the White House. Hell, she didn't even have to make cookies!

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
68. You can denigrate her service all you want, doesn't change the fact that
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:17 PM
Feb 2016

she spent roughly 20 years of her life, working for the people of this country.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
72. Yes, she has a lot of personal ambition
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:20 PM
Feb 2016

Well educated. Hard worker.

Too bad I don't admire her corporatist politics and have little respect for her.

She's left on social issues, and right on most everything else. That's just not acceptable to me.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
76. We live in a representative government system. You don't make lasting changes
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:28 PM
Feb 2016

if you don't work within that system. Period.
And the only way to make it move any faster, is to have control of the three branches.
And we can't do that without moving some of the moderate right, leftward.
And we can't do that if we aren't trying.

We spend all our time infighting and next to nothing on outreach.

Hillary understands how our system of government works, and works the system to make change. That isn't always going to be exciting government, but it is progressive.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
84. Well, she's moved far too much
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:42 PM
Feb 2016

for many of us to trust her.

Especially since she says one thing to the lowly subjects (ex: trade agreements), while pushing for exactly the opposite.

I'm with the Trump guy who says he's voting for Trump to "give the big middle finger to the establishment."

That's how I feel about voting for Sanders. Only I can actually trust Sanders!

Yeah, a big middle finger and a "fuck you" to the establishment.


Beacool

(30,249 posts)
91. Maybe not, but for years she was the breadwinner of the family.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 01:10 AM
Feb 2016

Bill was barely making $35K as governor. She was an attorney, a wife, a mother and the first lady of the state. That's a lot of hats she had to wear.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
92. It is. She is a hardworking, accomplished woman
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 01:14 AM
Feb 2016

None of those things, however, got her to the U.S. Senate. Bill's coattails did, and I believe that's what I was discussing.

I don't know of too many people in Congress who carpetbagged themselves into another state, and while supposedly broke, raised enough money and gathered enough clout to win a Senate seat. No, that only happens to folks like the Kennedys, Bushes, Clintons...

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
94. I could think of several, one comes to mind: Bobby Kennedy.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 01:19 AM
Feb 2016

His brother's coattails made it possible for him to run for the same seat that Hillary held in NY. Would you have criticized Bobby too?

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
95. Perhaps you should read my post again?
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 01:27 AM
Feb 2016

Did I not mention folks like the Kennedys, Bushes, Clintons...

Honestly, many years ago, I would not have criticized Bobby Kennedy, but today I would be very, very suspicious of all political dynasties. Imo, they are a form of power amassed by a subset of the 1%.

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