2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBrand Spanking New Univision National Hispanic Poll Clinton 57% Sanders 28%
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/national/washington-post-univision-news-national-survey-of-hispanic-voters/1970/
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Good job bros
hoosierlib
(710 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I guess the floor will totally fall out from under Bernie then
hoosierlib
(710 posts)As people turn in and realize they have a choice, they are leaving Hillary in droves
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)That shows Hillary with a commanding lead also.
hoosierlib
(710 posts)brooklynite
(94,585 posts)hoosierlib
(710 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)LOL!
brooklynite
(94,585 posts)hoosierlib
(710 posts)brooklynite
(94,585 posts)...Maybe you're more successful if you appeal to ALL of the Democratic electorate.
hoosierlib
(710 posts)You're seeing a repeat with the exception being that HRC learned from 2008 and has the Democratic political establishment locked down (she has twice the number of super delegates as she did at this time in 2008 and less pledged delegates).
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,960 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)hoosierlib
(710 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)hoosierlib
(710 posts)And most Latinos under 40 don't even know who Dolores Huerta is or about the BS lie she tried spreading...
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Please
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)You mean the backlash against Hillary because her surrogate Huerta told a blatant lie to try to disparage the Sanders campaign?
gyroscope
(1,443 posts)and almost never about the issues?
hoosierlib
(710 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)In fact I know a good number of Clinton supporters and all of them support her based on issues. Funny that you would think otherwise.
hoosierlib
(710 posts)Just curious...what issues?
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)EOM.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)That pretty much matches the actual voting results in NV.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Bernie is trailing in the majority of national polls, so of course he'd be trailing in national polls of Hispanics.
It's not that Hispanics don't like him, they just aren't as familiar with his message--and they are familiar with Hillary Clinton due to name recognition. Bernie is down in many of the states that he has not campaigned in yet. That doesn't mean that people in South Dakota or Nebraska don't like him. The campaigns just haven't rolled into those states yet. Clinton has high name recognition, so of course she is polling well in these statel polls. But as we've seen in IA, NH and NV--those stats can change dramatically.
When we look at the states in which Sanders has campaigned--he does extremely well with Hispanics. In Iowa, he won 64 percent of the precincts that had the highest numbers of Hispanic voters. I spoke with a LULAC leader in Des Moines. He was one of the principals involved in Hispanic outreach for the Iowa caucuses. He was a Hillary precinct captain. He told me that the Hispanic community supported Bernie more than Hillary. He also told me that Hispanic turnout in 2016 increased 300 percent from 2008--which was a record-breaking turnout year and that those Hispanics broke for Bernie. He also went so far as to tell me that he thought Bernie secured his strong tie, in part, due to the Hispanic vote in Iowa.
And in Nevada, Bernie did very well with the Hispanic voters. Those entrance polls may not be entirely accurate. However, it was a poll and at those particular precincts, Bernie was beating Clinton by 9. That's a good sign. Those entrance polls may not give us the total picture--but polling ahead of Clinton by 9 in select precincts--is amazing--especially considering that he was behind by 25 points in NV--a month before the NV caucuses.
Bernie's message seems to resonate with Hispanics, similar to what I was told by the Iowa LULAC leader.
If you're using national polls to make some statement about Bernie not having support in the Hispanic community--you're drawing conclusions that can't be drawn from the data. Bernie is behind in those national polls, but just like in NV--he catches up and is a formidable opponent when the full brunt of his campaign if felt in the state.
Of course, some states Bernie will do better than Hillary; and in some states Hillary will beat Bernie. However, to make generalizations about Bernie's support in the Latino community--due to a state poll where he hasn't been actively campaigning--is a a stretch.
I think the Texas outcome will tell us quite a bit. I am hoping that some decent exit polling data is done, so we can have some reliable numbers.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Me too
leads Sanders 4:1 among black voters and Clinton leads Sanders by 40 points among Hispanic voters. Sanders draws near to Clinton, but still trails, among Democratic primary voters who say
they are "falling behind" financially. But Clinton overpowers among voters who say they are "doing well" financially or "just getting by." Of those Democratic primary voters who voted for Clinton in
2008, 86% stick with her in 2016. Among Democratic primary voters who voted for Barack Obama in 2008, Clinton leads Sanders 58% to 33%. Clinton polls at or above 60% in North TX, East TX,
Central TX and South TX. Sanders comes close to Clinton in West TX, but still trails her there 48% to 42%. Texas likely voters are split on whether the current President of the United States or the
next President should appoint the next Justice for the Supreme Court. Of those Republican primary voters who say the current President should appoint the next Justice, Trump and Rubio lead,
each with 27% of the vote. Of those Republican primary voters who say the next President should appoint the Justice, Cruz narrowly leads Trump, 36% to 33%. About: SurveyUSA interviewed
1,750 adults from the state of Texas in the respondent's choice of Spanish or English 02/21/16 through 02/22/16. Interviews were completed after the results of the South Carolina Republican
Primary were known, but before the results of the Nevada Republican caucuses were known. Of the 1,750 Texas adults, 1,531 were registered to vote in Texas. Of the registered voters,
SurveyUSA identified 1,293 as likely to vote in the 11/08/16 general election for president, 645 who had either already voted in the Texas Republican primary or were certain to do so on or before
03/01/16, and 569 who had either already voted in the Texas Democratic primary or were certain to do so on or before 03/01/16. This research was conducted using blended sample, mixed mode.
Respondents reachable on a home telephone were interviewed on their home telephone in the recorded voice of a professional announcer. Respondents not reachable on a home telephone were
shown a questionnaire on their smartphone, tablet or other electronic device.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/TEGNA_SurveyUSA_Texas_Poll.pdf
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Sanders supporter had it beat into them that Iowa and NH didn't matter because those states were lily white--and that Sanders couldn't possibly do well with Hispanics in NV. That was Clinton's firewall.
Well, some indicators have him doing well with Hispanics. And he only lost the state by 5 points, after being behind by 25.
I am looking forward to Texas and seeing just exactly where things are.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Nate gives them an A
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Nate gives them an A
Happy days are here again!!! Cmon Super Tuesday!!!!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)OMG what will she get after a 30% win!?
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I'm guessing that it is likely that she is trending upward there, due to her NV win (and the subsequent media coverage).
Most likely, those more recent polls are more accurate--due to the flurry of activity.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)I live in an area that used to be mostly white but now is mostly Hispanic. I know this is just anecdotal but I look at yard signs and bumper stickers. There aren't a lot out yet. But I see way more Bernie Sanders yard signs. In fact, I haven't seem a Hillary yard sign. There are at least 4 Bernie signs within about 6 blocks of my place. No Hillary signs. And I have seen a lot of Bernie stickers around. I have only seen one Ready for Hillary sticker in the last month and I look for them. And every school public school I go to I see at least one other Bernie bumper sticker besides me, and usually no other political bumper stickers.
Of course, I also see Trump and Cruz stickers (but mostly not at school). But on the Democrat side, I pretty much only see Bernie campaign advertising.
Another interesting thing, I have had two Republicans this week tell me they liked Sanders and Trump, but were going to vote for Trump, because they were Republicans. They also indicated that they would vote for Sanders before they would vote for Cruz which I also thought was interesting.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)have yard signs in my yard. I don't put bumper stickers on my vehicles.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Doesn't matter if neighborhood associations say so. It's still illegal. I think the law is within 30 days of the election.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)so there you go.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)TheFarseer
(9,323 posts)That for sure means she'd be a better president. Everyone should vote for her since she won some weird poll.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)What's weird about the largest Spanish language television station in the nation commissioning a poll of Hispanics?
Do their voices matter?
Thank you in advance.
TheFarseer
(9,323 posts)but do they matter more than Jewish people, Catholics, or Asian people? I haven't seen a single poll on any of those. I really dislike cherry picked polls. Either do a state or the country. That's the only thing that matters. I don't remember seeing anything about the Latino primary. I'm sorry to meltdown on your thread, but I'm sick of people deciding who to vote for based on who's winning.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Hispanics are the largest non white group in the U.S.
jillan
(39,451 posts)in the last 6.5 months.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Also, African American and Latino home ownership were at its highest level in a generation under Bill Clinton.
SMH
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)That should be interesting.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Great numbers for Hillary!