Black Lives Matter Activists Interrupt Hillary Clinton At Private Event In South Carolina

[Fawke Em]

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As Clinton spoke to the crowd, Williams stood to her side and held a sign quoting controversial statements Clinton made in 1996 in reference to at-risk youth, when she said "we have to bring them to heel."

Williams said when Clinton paused and looked at her sign, she asked the former secretary of state to apologize to black people for mass incarceration. The mostly white audience yelled at Williams and told her she was being rude, she said.

"I wanted to bring her to confront her own words," Williams told The Huffington Post after the protest, adding, "We did this because we wanted to make sure that black people are paying attention to her record, and we want to know what Hillary we are getting."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-black-lives-matter-south-carolina_us_56ce53b1e4b03260bf7580ca

Interesting.

Edited to put the newly-released video into the OP:

&feature=youtu.be

[Truprogressive85]

1. Talk about straight potent truth

“Hillary Clinton has a pattern of throwing the Black community under the bus when it serves her politically," Williams said in a statement before the event. "She called our boys ‘super-predators’ in ’96, then she race-baited when running against Obama in ‘08, now she’s a lifelong civil rights activist. I just want to know which Hillary is running for President, the one from ’96, ’08, or the new Hillary?”


damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn !

[Fawke Em]

7. Bold.

[Bubzer]

24. BLM about to be thrown under the bus by team hillary in 3...2...1...

[BeanMusical]

227. They never cared about them anyway.

At their repulsive little site the BLM forum is by far the least active.

[Bubzer]

230. Political expedience at its best. I hope it bites her in the vote-tally.

[BeanMusical]

233. +1

[silvershadow]

235. Well that should work out well for her. nt

[CoffeeCat]

28. I like it

Thank God for people who aren't afraid to speak truth to corrupt power.

[Merryland]

201. Me too!

especially in a Gone with the Wind setting.

[NWCorona]

26. Dang!

[yuiyoshida]

239. double

dang!

[ultragreen]

41. Hillary's past comes back to haunt her

This will be difficult for the Clinton-supporters to explain away.

[JimDandy]

93. Clinton's explanation: "You are the first person to ask me that. No one has ever asked me before"

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

178. Lol she also said I'll get to that. So what did she say about it?

Nothing????

[JimDandy]

179. She said she doesn't ever lie...Never EVER! So, there's that.

[VulgarPoet]

2. "but but but they're clearly just right wing plants"

[CoffeeCat]

34. Yes, yes of course

Probably one of Karl Rove's friends.

[jeff47]

3. Gee...I wonder if we'll see condemnations of that audience (nt)

[Fawke Em]

5. I wonder.

But that question is why I highlighted the racial make-up of the audience.

[Autumn]

25. As soon as an ice cube freezes in hell nt

[BeanMusical]

228. +1

[ultragreen]

50. At HuffPo,

some of the white commentators are already condemning the BLM activists by saying such things as "they were way out line," etc. Hillary's attempted marriage of her wealthy white supporters with minority supporters may become a little rocky....

[kgnu_fan]

4. kick

[virtualobserver]

6. sounds like Hillary brought her to heel

It must be frustrating for her, knowing what she knows about Hillary's record and feeling that no one is listening.

[grasswire]

117. good observation

and then to be snarked at by Clinton tonight.

[Cheese Sandwich]

8. Good. Super-predator theory was racist pseudo-science

That shit needs to be confronted at every turn. And there has to be a political price for politicians who were out pushing those lies when it mattered most.

[grasswire]

119. ESPECIALLY because Hillary takes money from private prison industry. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

9. How dare Ms. Williams throw a Civil Rights Icon under the bus!

Peel back the mask, and see that Ms. Williams is really nothing more than a Volvo-driving white guy from the Northeast.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. with granola baggies in her pocket of course

[vt_native]

176. Prolly wears birkenstocks too!

[jillan]

10. There is this & then there is that video I posted earlier today from Tim Black

(if you haven't seen it - wow) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280125323


So tell me - is the black vote really Hillary's firewall?

There seems to be a lot of backlash towards the Clintons from younger black activists.

Maybe she has the 45 y/o + vote? And yes they are more reliable to come out to vote but it makes you wonder about the black millennials.

[Fawke Em]

12. There is a clear age break.

I witnessed it several times when I was in South Carolina over the weekend.

Anecdotal, of course, but enough to believe that younger AAs are Bernie fans while most older AAs are Clinton supporters.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Somebody passed me that video on you tube

and I posted it as well

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511332582

Of course the usual suspects came... I will go visit yours

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Well that was one ugly read

wow

[Gore1FL]

13. She gave them the secret service

Sanders gave them the microphone.

[nashville_brook]

90. There's a 30-second spot right there

Bernie: I give BLM activists the mic. Hillary shows them the door.

[tblue37]

122. "I give BLM activists the mike. Hillary gives them the brush off.". nt

[restorefreedom]

177. exactly.,THIS is a class act

[pa28]

14. If a video ever surfaces expect all kinds of rationalizing.

If not expect crickets.

[Fawke Em]

15. It was a private event.

Cameras might have been confiscated.

[JonLeibowitz]

31. There appears to be an embed video in the HuffPo page but it is giving an error when I view it.

[Fawke Em]

54. Yep. That was posted later after I originally posted this link.

It's on YouTube, now.

&feature=youtu.be

[JonLeibowitz]

58. I just saw this on the new thread, thanks. Let's send that one to the greatest page! :(

[MrMickeysMom]

16. Get the Transcripts!

[EffieBlack]

17. I recall Bernie supporters trashing BLM for interrupting him. I wonder if they'll have the same

reaction to them interrupting Hillary.

[ellennelle]

36. this bernie supporter never did such

just for the record. i was thrilled they did so; needed to be done. made total sense to me, esp. that they chose his event over any other candidate's do so, mainly because i think they recognized he would ultimately offer the friendliest and most supportive response, which he did, which then elevated that cause publicly to the extent that the BLM issues have become as dominant as wall street and income inequality in the campaign as a whole.

consider that for a moment; from the perspective of protesting the political faction that has done more damage to the black community, you'd think they'd have protested jeb or cruz or walker, etc. i thought it was strategically brilliant for them to confront the supposedly friendlier party, and clearly the friendlier candidate, because they would not be attacked and/or dismissed. they wanted real discourse, so they went to bernie and got it.

i think many if not most bernie supporters came to understand the importance of the interruption, esp. after bernie invested in sitting down with them and hearing them out, then focusing on their issues, placing it at the forefront of his campaign. in contrast, the tense exchange between hillary and BLM members, on video, was not so compassionate and understanding, instead - to my eye - showing her not listening and stressing that her 'pragmatic' methods were best. i'm not black, but fwiw, it felt condescending to me, so i can only imagine what it must have felt like to them.

just one bernie response here; may or may not be representative.

[myrna minx]

187. Bernie supporter here, and I agree completely.

I'd like to add also that up to that point, his campaign had not really addressed the very important issues brought up by BLM, so it was important for them confront him - that his message was falling flat because it neglected to address their very real concerns directly. I think it was important and made him a better candidate, and their concerns were heard.

Whether it was enough outreach - and based upon several observations I've read here, it isn't - BLM was right to take on the friendly party- especially if their votes were taken as a given and no one was talking directly to them about their very real life and death issues.

[loyalsister]

171. I defended them

and was suspicious of Bernie. But, when I looked closer, it was clear that he showed them respect.
Hillary just showed disdain for this woman who wanted an answer to a legitimate, pressing question she HAS been asked implicitly in the pages of The New Jim Crow. People want to know if she feels remorse and if she has evolved.

Just as the BLM protesters wanted to ask Bernie where he stood, that young woman was asking a legitimate question that deserves an answer. The people with BLM are making these demands because they are hurting.

If you get in a room with people of color and someone asks if they have a family member, or know someone who has been in prison you get a large majority show of hands. We all know how it happened, people deserve answers.

[myrna minx]

186. This Bernie supporter did not. I think BLM

Is a powerful force and should be taken very seriously. I've said so all along. I think they have changed the dialogue to issues that truly affect people in their lives and they should be strongly supported - by all of us. I greatly admire and respect these young people who have found their voice and are gathering strength to change the country for the better.

[EffieBlack]

190. I agree

I didn't have a problem with them challenging Bernie and I don't have a problem with them challenging Hillary. They're activists - that's what they're SUPPOSED to do, even if it makes me uncomfortable!

[rhett o rick]

224. Bernistas trashing BLM, only in your dreams.

ps: I am a proud Berista.

[TM99]

231. I am bi-racial and I support BLM.

I was also critical of two things this past summer.

1) If they were going to protest Sanders and O'Malley as they did at Netroots, I expected them to also do so with the Clinton campaign. It did take them awhile longer to do so but they have remedied that completely.

2) The young woman in Seattle physically shoved Sanders. That was beyond inappropriate. He handled the situation with grace, far more so than Hillary ever will apparently. I never support rage in activism.

Beyond that, how about you stop pushing the Sanders and his supporters are racist meme, ok? Thanks.

[ms liberty]

236. Re your 2nd point

I thought I was the only one who thought the young women in the Seattle incident showed hostility. When Bernie put out his hand to shake hands with the young woman who spoke, she pushed it away and was waving her hand and finger in his face. Then the second young woman came around to his side and got right up next to him and was glaring angrily at him. I cringed, it seemed so rude, and very off-putting. I agree 100% with the message, but they could have been more effective without that attitude, IMHO. I don't think I've expressed my feelings about that event here before, but this had troubled me because it has been unfairly used against Bernie.

[TM99]

237. It was rage on display.

I understand the hurt and fear underneath said rage, and it was still highly inappropriate and not effective activism.

You were definitely NOT the only one who saw this, felt this, and some comment on it like myself at the time.

[billhicks76]

241. This One Was Very Passive

On Bernies case they jumped a podium and got right in his face. Did they grab the mic then?

[TheLogicalSong]

18. "we want to know what Hillary we are getting"

I think you got your answer.

[billhicks76]

243. The Question Is The Answer

[msongs]

19. I forget, when did hillary mass incarcerate anybody? nt

[ellennelle]

21. when she lobbied for the violent crime act of 94

and since has received over a hundred million ($133mill, actually) in campaign funding from the private prison lobby.

just for starters.

you ok with that? or do you still wish to claim that she's cleared of wrongdoing because she does not hold the actual keys to these prisons, or never sent anyone to prison as a judge or prosecutor. would you really slice this that thin?

[LuvLoogie]

33. You mean the bill that Bernie voted for?

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1994/h416


No D Orton, William UT 3rd

Vermont
Aye I Sanders, Bernie VT

Virginia
No R Bateman, Herbert VA 1st
No D Pickett, Owen VA 2nd

[beam me up scottie]

42. Again he opposed it for years but finally voted for it because of the Violence Against Women Act.

And a ban on assault weapons, he never promoted the bill like Hillary did.

Sanders opposed the Violent Crime Prevention Act of 1991 during his first year in the U.S. House of Representatives.

"All over the industrialized world now, countries are saying, ‘let us put an end to state murder, let us stop capital punishment’," Sanders said in a 1991 speech on the House floor. "But here what we’re talking about is more and more capital punishment."

The bill, which included provisions to authorize the death penalty as appropriate punishment for crimes involving the murder of a law enforcement officer, terrorism and drug trafficking, never reached the desk of President George H.W. Bush.

In 1994, however, Sanders voted in favor of the final version of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, a bill that expanded the federal death penalty. Sanders had voted for an amendment to the bill that would have replaced all federal death sentences with life in prison. Even though the amendment failed, Sanders still voted for the larger crime bill.

A spokesman for Sanders said he voted for the bill "because it included the Violence Against Women Act and the ban on certain assault weapons."

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/02/viral-image/where-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-stand-/

[ellennelle]

45. ah!

you beat me to it!

thx!

[beam me up scottie]

49. No problem! I'm used to that talking point so I'm quick on the draw!

[ellennelle]

52. awesome!

[beam me up scottie]

56. The videos are easy to find by Google but you can copy/paste my post next time.

I bookmark my posts for quick reference.

[LuvLoogie]

61. So he voted for a bill that Hillary also supported.

He agreed to the bill; others voted no. Which was the more principled position? The bill is the bill. There wasn't one bill for Bernie, and one bill for Owen Pickett, and one bill for Hillary (who did not have a vote).

All the same bill, right?

[beam me up scottie]

65. Did you watch the video? He decided that the VAWA was too important to not support it.

Again, he lobbied against the bill for years while the Clintons lobbied for it, so their positions weren't the same.

He cited his reasons for supporting it, do you think he should have voted against the VAWA?

[LuvLoogie]

74. Did the Clintons oppose the Violence against Women Act?

A lot of other people voted against the crime bill. The provisions that were so detrimental to the African American populace were still in the bill, were they not? And yet, Bernie still voted for it. He didn't have to.

It seems others were able to make a principled stand against. Or are you saying that all those that voted against the bill were for violence against women?

[beam me up scottie]

79. He gave his reasons for voting for it, if he had opposed it you would say he didn't care about women

It wasn't an easy vote, he opposed it for years but finally decided that an assault weapons ban and women's lives were too important.

I fault the Clintons for lobbying for the crime bill along with welfare reform.

It's their legacy, not Bernie's.

[LuvLoogie]

82. I would not have taken issue if he voted no. What I take issue with is

that his supporters here excoriate Hillary for supporting a bill he voted for and others didn't.

[beam me up scottie]

85. Because he didn't lobby for it, the Clintons sold that bill.

They could have used their influence to change it but they didn't, they wanted it lock, stock and barrel.

[LuvLoogie]

96. Congress passed the bill it passed and Bill Clinton signed it.

Bill and Hillary Clinton didn't write the provisions, Joe Biden did. It was introduced in October 93 and signed into law in 94. So I don't know how you could say the Clintons lobbied for years for this bill as Bill Clinton was only elected to office in November 92 and took office in January 93.

So Hillary Clinton as FLOTUS sold Representative Bernie Sanders on the merits of the bill. Dang she's good.

[beam me up scottie]

100. Strawman, I never said they lobbied for years but they did lobby for it.

The bill was passed in 1994 and signed by Bill Clinton.

Again Bernie supported it solely because of the Violence Against Women Act and assault weapons ban.

[LuvLoogie]

103. You said Bernie opposed it for years. How could he oppose it for years

if it was only around months before it was passed?

[beam me up scottie]

104. Watch the video, he advocated for criminal justice reform for years.

[LuvLoogie]

110. The Clintons didn't have anything to do with the '91 Bill.

They weren't in Washington yet. That bill was done by Biden and Thurmond and was not passed.

The 94 bill was a different bill put forth by Biden and Brooks.

So while Bernie may have supported criminal justice reform for years he still voted yes for the same '94 bill the Clintons supported, while others voted no.

So did Bernie compromise his values by taking the same position as the Clintons on the'94 bill? Was his support somehow more principled than their support?

[beam me up scottie]

113. Yes it was because they never tried to change the bill, they lobbied for it as is.

Bernie felt that women's lives and an assault weapons ban were too important so he voted for it. His decades of opposition to the criminal justice system DO MATTER.

[grasswire]

121. BECAUSE SANDERS ISN"T MAKING MONEY FROM PRIVATE PRISONS

Hillary has taken 133 million from private prison industry.

Geez.

[LuvLoogie]

133. 133 million from private prison industry? Link?

[Marty McGraw]

207. I personally can't vouch

for the amounts, but thanks to citizens united neither can anyone. But the Amount that is sourced by some digging around by Lee Fang can be seen here if interested with some cross-referencing links to other posts as well.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/07/24/guess-who-else-fundraising-clinton-private-prison-lobbyists

More information to other amounts I have not found yet. But who amongst us plebes has the time or money it takes to dig further down. Dark money is Dark Money.

[1StrongBlackMan]

185. No! You don't understand ...

There was the evil crime bill that HRC supported that led to the incarceration a millions of PoC ... Boo. HRC!

Then there was crime bill that Bernie voted for that led to the incarceration a millions of PoC, but included VAWA and assault weapon bans, so Yeah! Bernie!

VAWA and the bans were in the bill HRC spoke for and millions of PoC went to prison in the bill Bernie voted for.

[Android3.14]

205. It speaks to motivation

One votes to protect women; Hillary votes to incarcerate black people.

[1StrongBlackMan]

206. Bullshit. eom.

[Android3.14]

209. Tell Michelle Alexander it is bullshit

Michelle Alexander, the author of The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness wrote "I can’t believe Hillary would be coasting into the primaries with her current margin of black support if most people knew how much damage the Clintons have done—the millions of families that were destroyed the last time they were in the White House thanks to their boastful embrace of the mass incarceration machine and their total capitulation to the right-wing narrative on race, crime, welfare and taxes."

I think we all agree that Ms. Alexander, as a strong black person, would recognize bullshit.

Amy Goodman reported this on Democracy Now!

[1StrongBlackMan]

217. Whatever. I respect Michelle Alexander's work ...

but I suspect she would be embarrassed to know how her work is being used.

Just like her husband's job can be used against her "sincerity" on this issue.

[Android3.14]

225. I figured it was something like that

Your respect just oozes.

Moving on...

[questionseverything]

229. ..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511339737

[LuvLoogie]

211. IOKIYABS

[ellennelle]

44. ah yes

do a quick google on his position on that.

a couple of youtube of his protests on the house floor against it, including its "disproportionate affects on blacks."

he ultimately did vote for it because of its provisions for violence against women, an issue he has also felt quite strongly about.

here is a link to bernie's comments at the congressional black caucus as 'an associate member' on this matter of the bill:

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4580208/bernie-sanders-crime-1131994

hope you find this helpful.

[ellennelle]

51. just to add

his very short speech here is edifying for his focus, even then in 1994, on the numbers of hungry children and homeless, and the underlying problem of income inequality.

just, you know, for the record.

make no mistake. the fact that the income inequality became such a powerful meme with the OWS movement just a couple years ago most likely owes no small debt to bernie's steadfast position and influence in this matter. his was not the only voice, but there were precious few others, and no one else in congress in 1994.

[passiveporcupine]

109. It was a very popular bill until it's third revision, which is the one that passed

By that time it had become quite partisan, because it included a lot of things Republicans did not want to pay for. Before that, most republicans were for it.

This linked article was written to prove Bernie was more responsible for this bill and it's affects on blacks than Hillary, but he accidentally put too much info in there and just failed to address the fact that it was those additions that changed Bernie's mind from a no vote to a yes vote.

https://medium.com/@carlosmvizcarra/know-who-s-got-more-responsibility-for-mass-incarceration-than-hillary-bernie-sanders-a8374fc2fcfe#.8v7la6ad0

So Hill fans, check out the above link. You will love it! Apply a little critical thinking to it and you'll see why he is wrong. Sorry, I don't know why the link isn't posting that way. I don't know how to fix it.

Republicans voted against the bill not just because it contained the ban on assault weapons, which the NRA had excoriated, but also because, as outlined by then-House Republican Leader Bob Michel, it contained “more than $9 billion in social welfare spending, including increased police presence in a new "community policing" policy.

Here were some of the changes in the final bill:

Among other things, it instituted the assault weapons ban...created the Violence Against Women Act and funded battered women’s shelters, created sex offender registration, funded drug treatment and DNA analysis, and provided several granting entities for programs at schools and parks and to create economic opportunities in disadvantaged areas.

One member of the Congressional Black Caucus did speak up about it, and here is what she said before she voted for it:

Cardiss Collins (D IL) stated, “I have serious concerns about this bill that invests more of our scarce Federal dollars to build and fill prisons rather than to effectively address the problems that necessitate their construction, this bill that creates more ways to punish rather than to provide,” but noted, “there are a number of very beneficial provisions included in this conference report that I strongly support and that can help my constituents.

It was all these changes that helped Bernie to decide to vote for it, although he tried to convince congress that much more needed to be done to help poor neighborhoods that were high crime areas. See video below.

A little more from wiki:

The Act requires the United States Department of Justice to issue an annual report on “the use of excessive force by law enforcement officers.” Such reports have not been issued, however.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act

This video shows various people speaking out on this bill.

So, Bernie finally signed the bill because it included the Violence Against Women Act and funded battered women’s shelters, funded drug treatment, and added $9 billion in Social Welfare Spending.

The author of the medium.com pace says:

You don’t see these hate filled analyses directed at Joe Biden over his role as sponsor, nor at John Kerry or James Clyburn or anyone else for their votes.

They did not give a speech in favor of the bill saying black kids on street corners were super predators who need to be brought to heel before addressing why they ended up that way...two years after Bernie spoke out about how much we need to address this. And if they were running for office today, they would be called out on their stance on this bill, just like Hillary has been, and just like some of you are trying to hold Bernie accountable for signing it. And he is responsible for signing it, but he never supported the parts of the bill that were used to incarcerate blacks in higher numbers,,,he spoke out strongly against that multiple times over the years. If he could control congress, he could have gotten the good parts of the bill without the bad parts, but that's not the way congress works. And we all know that.

BMUS, you beat me to it. It took me too long to put my post together.

[LuvLoogie]

116. So "Congress made me do it"

okay

[passiveporcupine]

120. Seriously dude?

[LuvLoogie]

245. Please name the revisions and dates.

[beam me up scottie]

169. That is an outstanding post.

Blew mine right out of the water. No bill is perfect and I'm sure the decision wasn't easy for Bernie or the other Dems who voted for it. What a tragedy they couldn't pass the parts that benefited these communities and women in a separate bill.

[passiveporcupine]

172. Thanks Scottie

I personally feel that much of this cramming stuff together in a bill is a tragedy. It allows too much crap to get passed when it shouldn't. But then, who am I to complain...I'm not working in that hell hole. I know I could not take it.

[ultragreen]

77. Also funding for prison construction and hiring more police

was passed during the Clinton presidency to further expand the police and prison state. It was during the 1990s that the prison-industrial complex expanded the fastest, receiving full support and approval from the Clintons. This is the elephant in the room that Hillary is attempting to hide from the African-American community.

[pkdu]

166. Only one Clinton was in office - HE has a penis.

Oh - and Sanders voted for the same bill re Prisons and Police

[HereSince1628]

191. Yet, she claims those 8 years of her life as experience as part of the Arkansas Twofer

Seems your better argument is that many dems voted for law and order...although the law and order thing isn't all that popular this cycle.

[Silver_Witch]

136. You are correct...

Hillary never jailed anyone...she simple said that they needed "to be brought to heel" in her speech supporting the bill. We don't use "be bought to heel" for persons...it is an animal training term. So do you see how she truly feels now? That black "super predators" are animals which must be trained to behave.

[billhicks76]

242. Like Talking To A Wall

Trump will rip her to shreds. Only Bernie can take the punches. She is being treated with kid gloves now.

[slipslidingaway]

20. Comment section is interesting, supposedly this was a small group of people ...

who had to pay $500 to attend.

Anyone of have a video of this event? That would be interesting.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Thanks, I had not thought of looking at it

indeed it is

[slipslidingaway]

38. Private event = fundraising event, if you have to stay in SC might as well do a fundraiser ...

while the corporate media complains that Sanders left the state.



Thank you!

[Marty McGraw]

208. are all here events

for the purpose of 'fund-raising'? Wonder if it ever crosses her mind to take a step back and consider the optics of how her campaign is being handled. Stigmas are a very hard thing to overcome and would seem near impossible, time-wise, during an election cycle.

standing room only for a living room (and really wasn't even near that) is no means to garner people's support

[Nyan]

22. Well, it's about fucking time that she was confronted with her own words and

her actual policy records.

On the other hand, I'll tell you what didn't happen at Bernie's rally when BLM activists interrupted him.

The mostly white audience yelled at Williams and told her she was being rude,

Can you imagine what the Clinton campaign would have said if Bernie crowd responded like that?

Williams told The Huffington Post that the Secret Service threw her out out of the event.

Those women who interrupted Bernie at his rally were listened to, because Bernie gave away his microphone and stepped aside.

[shawn703]

27. Looks like Hillary's supporters have a problem with black people

All those white people shouting down a black woman.

[840high]

62. ..+1

[Nyan]

72. It looks like they have a problem with black people who dare question her,

when we all know that they should all unanimously like her and serve up votes. How dare they bring up her own words and her own policy records? Shocking!!!

[JimDandy]

170. And they automatically assumed she was trespassing!

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Like black people can't afford $500, or something.

And the disdain on Her face when the mask slipped: How dare you, my Firewall, question ME!

"No one has ever asked me that before."

[Nyan]

173. Her body language was very interesting when she said that.

Hillary was leaning in and getting in her face, which marks aggressiveness.

[ybbor]

222. Yeah, that caught my attention, as well

Just assumes she was not a paid attendee to the party.

Well just goes to show ya.

[ybbor]

223. I also liked how she told her, "if you would listen"

I was of the belief that she and Bernie were the ones who needEd to listen.

Hmm...

[Autumn]

30. Wow. And the comments on that are brutal.

[passiveporcupine]

37. I think someone took their finger out of the hole in the dike.

And the cracks are starting to grow.

[99th_Monkey]

39. "UNABLE TO PLAY THIS VIDIO AT THIS TIME. THE NUMBER OF PLAYBACKS HAS BEEN EXCEEDED"

[grasswire]

123. wow. viral. nt

[ultragreen]

40. I can't access the video at HuffPo

They claim that there have been too many downloads. Could this be an example of censorship by the Clinton campaign pulling some strings? The Clinton campaign definitely doesn't want African-American voters to see this video just 3 short days before the SC primary.

[Fawke Em]

46. I don't think it's that.

I think it's getting shared all over social media and the Interwebs.

Good!

[mikehiggins]

159. The video is available at differant spots on this very OP

All you need is a fairly capable screen-capture program and it'll be yours for all time

[BillZBubb]

43. Those Hillary supporters are racists. And Hillary didn't set them straight. She must apologize!

Substitute Bernie for Hillary in the title. That's the kind of shit Hillary's fanatics wrote about Bernie and his supporters after BLM activists took over an event in Portland.

I have no doubt Hillary's "firewall" will hold in the south in spite of this event. That is sad.

[Carlo Marx]

47. There is a video

Go to the Huffington Post link for the original article and see the video. It's chilling. The Hillary donors are yelling at this incredibly brave woman with the kind of creepy, ivy league accents people use in art galleries and posh fundraising events. Hillary reminds me of Mitt Romney fumbling through these cringe inducing moments where they pretend they're not stiff, detached plutocrats.

[840high]

64. ty

[MisterP]

95. ah, the ol' Thurston Howell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locust_Valley_lockjaw
(though technically it'd be Tidewater)

[grasswire]

125. "inappropriate! inappropriate!

the new meme re: Hillary

[NWCorona]

48. Here's the video

[ultragreen]

63. thank-you for posting this

[840high]

66. I have tears. What a brave woman.

[NWCorona]

69. Agreed!

[Fawke Em]

53. It has it's own hashtag now: #WhichHillary?

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. Now you've done it

you are going to make go read twitter!

[Fawke Em]

59. It's hot in there right now.

You said you were recovering from the flu. This should help knock the cold out you!

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. That video is getting shared all over the place

Should bring my sugars down, (that is the main issue).

It is hot.

[passiveporcupine]

124. So, to Hillary that was a non-issue?

Push her out of the room, no more addressing her question and let's get back to the issues.

[nadinbrzezinski]

128. Mass incarceration only matters when we need the votes

not before or after... that was the mask slipping.

There is plenty of commentary in 244 characters by the way.

[passiveporcupine]

132. I think this one is going to get her

more cracks in that firewall.

Like someone else here said, David Brock will be busy tomorrow. Wonder what the fallout will be.

[enigmatic]

137. Hillary's worst enemy as a candidate has always, always been Hillary

We saw that again tonight, and if this indeed is her "47%"/"Macaca" moment, she has no one to blame but herself.

[passiveporcupine]

142. This is going to hurt her

But I don't think it was as strong as the 47% remark. But it certainly will have some effect. Hopefully it will reach a lot of younger blacks who are more involved in the BLM movement than elderly blacks are.

[enigmatic]

145. It's worse

Hillary's words dripping w/ condescension "Let's get back to the real issues" is bad enough, but the all white crowd hissing and jeering Ashley Williams makes it much, much worse.

All the millennial AA's involved w/ the BLM movement will be sharing it far and wide w/ their elders tomorrow if they haven't already done so.

It's going to hurt Hillary in a huge way.

[passiveporcupine]

147. I hope you are right

They are pretty entrenched.

[PonyUp]

182. "Let's get back to the real issues."

Just what in the hell does she think the real issues are?
Geesh!

[californiabernin]

94. Awesome! May it spread like wildfire through SC and the nation! n/t

[840high]

57. From the article..

Hillary Clinton has a pattern of throwing the Black community under the bus when it serves her politically," Williams said in a statement before the event. "She called our boys ‘super-predators’ in ’96, then she race-baited when running against Obama in ‘08, now she’s a lifelong civil rights activist. I just want to know which Hillary is running for President, the one from ’96, ’08, or the new Hillary?”

[Marty McGraw]

210. Perhaps if her campaign

Does manage to somehow squeek through, maybe she would choose gov. Paul LePage as her running mate?

[Lizzie Poppet]

214. Remember, kids: criticizing a "civil rights icon" over lying (for Hillary) is bad.

Criticizing a future civil rights icon for asking inconvenient questions of the Chosen One is okie-dokie.

[blackspade]

67. Awkward.....

"Back to the issues" ouch.

[Fawke Em]

71. Yeah, because mass incarnation isn't an issue in the wealthy white suburbs of Charleston.

[Oilwellian]

157. Not realizing...

what had just happened, was about to become a new issue.

[Fawke Em]

68. Ooof... gut shot

officialERICA GARNER
‏@es_snipes

If Hillary deserves her day in court until she is guilty, why does she think a dead Black man was not worthy of the same? White privilege???

[nadinbrzezinski]

81. Some of these tweets are ahem viscious

In reply to Isabel Rae
Big Perm ‏@BeeSwarski 4m4 minutes ago
@isa_rae @GuerrillaDems She is so vile. I can't believe how many people she has fooled.... #WhichHillary #WakeUpAmerica
View conversation 0 retweets 0 likes

I know you are reading... by the way... this will keep me entertained until I collapse

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. By the way that video is now on facebook too

if the kids (and I mean AA youth) share this with their elders, we might get a surprise, This strikes me as the 47 percent comment from Mittens

[Indepatriot]

73. She's happy to address it, right after she finds those Goldman Sachs transcripts.....

[autonomous]

75. "you're trespassing" "that's inappropriate please"

"you know what nobody's asked me that before" "dear"

[JackBeck]

80. All of it was dismissive and condescending.

Welcome to DU

[autonomous]

86. Thanks!

[zentrum]

76. Wow. Back to the Issues????

So Justice and BLM and AA's not being able to vote because of incarceration——are actually just photo ops.

And no one ever asked "that question" before? Because she lives in a cosseted and privileged space all her life. Never being asked these questions is because only her script-writers have influence with her. It's not an "issue" that would occur, for instance to David Brock.

[AzDar]

78. Her mask slipped.

[zentrum]

84. Yup.

The real Hill emerged for a second.

[Juicy_Bellows]

107. Let's hope everyone gets a nice good look at her. Nt.

[zentrum]

161. Let's hope because...

..the more people see of her, the more her numbers go down.

[NWCorona]

88. David Brock will be earning his money tomorrow lol

[Docreed2003]

106. Truth....absolute truth n/t

[Kall]

226. No one in her bubble

would ever ask her that question, or advise her that someone else would.

[azmom]

83. And the true Hillary is revealed.

Condescending and dismissive. That was ugggly.

[Lunabell]

87. When BLM crashed Bernie,

He listened to them. He didn't throw them out of the event. Big difference in Bernie and HRC.

[NWCorona]

89. Also the fact that they were mostly using Bernie's spotlight

To highlight their agenda. This was a Hillary protest!

[billhicks76]

244. Are You Kidding?

Remember it was Hillary who had exCIA Presidential debriefer actually beat up and ejected for simply standing with his back turned to Hillary at a press speech. He was silent. His way of protecting her wars. And yes she owns them like Bush does. Votes count. I'd hate to see how she would've treated this young lady if the cameras weren't there. We know how Bernie would've been...kind. Because he believes in it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

91. Oh and I call bullshit on I have never been asked these questions

[PonyUp]

183. She's so condescending it makes me sick. n/t

[californiabernin]

92. I hope this gets all over social media and lots of people in SC see it...

I hope people in SC start asking some questions. Hmmm....why did she say that? Something to do with a lock-em all up crime bill she was promoting?

Hope this spreads like a wildfire between now and Saturday.

[Lorien]

97. Oh, it is. It's all over my FB news feed

expect it to show up on a few talk shows in the am!

[840high]

221. I found it on DailyMail. It's

spreading nicely.

[nadinbrzezinski]

98. Ouch...

Julia Gumm ‏@jujubee_84 4m4 minutes ago
#BLM has pay 2 get into high dollar fundraiser to get HRC's attn. But she throws em out anyway. #WhichHillary?

[arcane1]

99. Clinton failed again, and showed how phony she really is. Again.

[Blue_In_AK]

101. Dripping with condescension.

And then "back to the issues"? Wow.

[JonLeibowitz]

118. "that I think are important"!!!

[mikehiggins]

163. That has to be the worst possible thing she could have said.

She really is her own worst enemy.

Was never asked that question before? Wow! And just the other day she was telling everyone she would never lie to the American people.

[enigmatic]

165. Hillary in a nutshell

For everyone to see.

[retrowire]

102. so white hillary supporters tried shouting down a BLM protestor?

tsk tsk tsk...

[jfern]

154. It's South Carolina

It's not like there's any history of rich whites silencing blacks there.

[JimDandy]

174. Well, first they tried hissing--yes, those upper crust old white people HISSED at Williams!

and then they told her she was trespassing (can't be black and a GUEST, you know-must have posed as the help or something!)

[Babel_17]

199. I didn't consider that at first

That's going to be part of this story as well. The audience did Clinton no favors.

[Docreed2003]

105. Well it is "Her turn"...

It's "Her turn"...to repudiate and apologize for those vile statements

It's "Her turn"....to discuss the wrongs within the crime bill that she and her husband lobbied so strongly for, mainly because it made them "tough on crime"

And it's "Her turn"...to release the unedited transcripts of her speeches to GS et al. I'm tired of the bullshit excuses of "well that's what they offered to pay"...BULLSHIT...contracts we written up regarding the terms of those appearances, and I refuse to believe that she just showed up with no knowledge of what she would be reimbursed for the event.


What's truly disgusting is the utter contempt and disdain that she shows to this young woman who is protesting a legitimate and urgent/timely point! Such a shady, convenient way of brushing this woman aside by suggesting she had never been challenged on this point and shouting her down while the audience did the same. Contemptable, disgusting, and, I think, it reveals the true face of HRC. Thankfully there is video of this protest.

[NWCorona]

108. They’re having a field day on Twitter with the memes

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[nadinbrzezinski]

112. And the feed keeps picking up speed

[Juicy_Bellows]

114. Good. Nt.

[Juicy_Bellows]

111. Wtf is with the hissing and the nasaly "dats inappropriate" shit? Shame. Nt.

[Marr]

115. How strange. I don't see any of the Hillary fans condemning this, even though it's 20x's worse than

what happened at that event with Sanders.

First of all, those are Hillary Clinton's own very offensive words she's being asked to explain.

Second, her security people put their hands on that women and removed her from the event.

Hillary's tone was exceedingly condescending and dismissive. She clearly felt this black woman had forgotten her place.

And last... 'BACK TO THE ISSUES'? Mass incarceration is not only a non-issue for Hillary Clinton, but one she's 'never been asked about'?

I don't understand. Where are all the Hillary fans who are so very devoted to AA issues?

[nadinbrzezinski]

126. Waiting for the talking points to be issued

There is something to the central control for social media... that we had a story over that not too long ago, So ahem, 1990s...

two tried heroically by the way, on other threads.

[Marr]

134. I was told by an HRC supporter her on DU today, in so many words, that

ethics are for suckers and that all that matters is winning. They did this in defense of people continuing to promote that 'english only' smear even though there's nothing to it and they know it.

I can't even begin to describe how contemptible that is. They just laugh about these things like it's all a big game. Couldn't actually give less of a shit. It's all just about what will benefit some politician in the next news cycle.

[nadinbrzezinski]

135. Oh we have one that started an OP accusing BLM of a dirty trick

these people are from the Brock, et al school of ethics.

[enigmatic]

127. They can't defend this.

They just can't.

They've spent an inordinate amount of time portraying Hillary as one who "understands and supports" them even though the many, many words and videos betray that position; they've been saying she's "evolved".

This video shows once and for all that it was for show, not for go.

They can't defend this.

Though I'm sure at least a couple will try, and fail.

[arcane1]

129. Office hours are closed. n/t

[grasswire]

130. third, she paid five hundred bucks to get in! nt

[Marty McGraw]

212. They have been in huddle formation

for a good long while now. Maybe there is an injured participant down field we missed?

[nadinbrzezinski]

131. A photo of the audience after they kicked this young woman out

[Fawke Em]

189. Where are all those Hil fans who like to count PoC faces in Bernie's crowds?

[Peace Patriot]

197. They look bored as hell!

I'll bet the BLM protest was one of the more exciting things that ever happened to them. Danger! Blackness! Protest! Right here in our own posh, French-doored, Antebellum columned parlor!



Though they were rude to this young hero, Ashley Williams--and if they had any creds as Democrats, they should have opposed her eviction, whether she paid to get into their cozy little fundraiser (Lawd, I wonder how much each of them is worth to get face time with Hillary!) or not (she paid five hundred dollars to have her say!), I'll still bet they WEREN'T BORED for the period of time that Ashley Williams was among them. Hillary's monologue is very clearly a drag.

Ashley was extraordinarily polite explaining her sign (while their hearts must've been going pitter patter at alarming rates, as they hissed at her and said impolite things, their heads filling with balloons of annoyance or fear...or dizzying thrill). Clinton was quite floored when Ashely turned towards her and the sign became visible to her. You can see Clinton's brain go click-click-click as she recognized her own words. At that moment, she could have been a GREAT CANDIDATE and, despite all, even a great president! I mean, we don't really expect our presidents to be honest, do we?

She could've been a contenda! But she blew it.

If only she had been real! ("Yes, I was tone deaf. No, I didn't mean black children. Yes, I understand how it was taken. I should've explained myself better. I'm sorry.&quot Put her canned speech aside. Asked Ashley to sit down. Let her explain her view fully. Invite the white folks to listen and respond. Get everyone to sit down. How great that would have been! Said she never meant for mass incarceration to occur, and she had been anxious to help the black community deal with crime, and you can't diagnose super-predators' problems unless you have them in custody. Yes, unfortunate choice of words. Didn't mean it that way. Etc.

It would have been mostly bullshit, but great leadership. Don't we expect presidents to be good actors who can project empathy a thousand times a day when they don't feel it? ...who prevent wars that way? ...who act a role effectively for a million grievances?

I can appreciate acting, in a good cause. It's one kind of leadership--a way to make people feel appreciated, and to get things done. It's not lying, exactly. It's a way to project friendliness, when you are tired, exasperated and beset with demands.

The trouble is that Clinton is so dirty with the money made from massive imprisonment that she can't be real, and she is NOT talented enough, or comfortable enough in herself, to fake it successfully?

We see Hillary's problem very plainly in this video. It is naked. And nobody in that room had any leadership ability, except Ashley.

[Marty McGraw]

213. Looks like such a thoughtful

and 'well-seasoned' mix of.. err... all white faces. Oh.. and one youthful (hostage) individual

[nadinbrzezinski]

215. The kid is the one that really made me crack up

he was forced to get into a suit and tie, to go listen to an older woman... speak of things he could not care for. (I'm only thinking of my nephews here). Granted, in 10 years that day he watched those black women interrupt that older lady might make more sense. But for the moment. I feel sorry for the kid.

[Marty McGraw]

219. indeed

and we've all had endure those hostage moments one time or perhaps more in our lives.

and what's with all the head tilting? you would expect them all to brandish lighters at any moment and pay homage.

[TheFarS1de]

138. Where is the spin squad ?

Noticeably absent ... probably checking for the next talking point at HQ

[nadinbrzezinski]

139. Well this talking point

has been spotted here, and on twitter...

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Marie
‏@mskSeattle
@keikoty45 I've seen the first attempt. Implying it was a partisan political stunt on the part of her opponent. #whichhillary

[TheFarS1de]

140. I see that the pushback has already started ...

How did she afford $500 is the current attack .... let's see how deep of a hole they can dig

[nadinbrzezinski]

141. I am a progressive and all

so I am willing to recommend they use one of these...



Truly, manually digging it might strain their backs... it will also save the rest of us on the ER visit for a strained back.

[TheFarS1de]

144. Please never stop posting

You guys make it bearable when the attacks are flying

[enigmatic]

152. I hope they use the "how could she afford the $500 dollar ticket" smear

It's really going to be a winning strategy for them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

153. They are testing it

so maybe we should let them think it is working... NAHHHH! I will defend this young woman.

[JimDandy]

175. OMG, seriously?

I was just making digs about the white guy who was yelling at Williams that she's trespassing, and that he must be thinking Williams can't be a guest, because black people couldn't possibly afford the $500.

LIFE imitates fiction!!!

[JackBeck]

146. A vast, left-wing conspiracy, perhaps?

[nadinbrzezinski]

148. I already had one of my regular "critics" (truly white noise)

use that exact emoticon at my view that this has potential, as in mittens 47 percent potential

[JackBeck]

150. I waffled a bit whether or not to even use any emoticons.

They can be so passive/aggressive, especially when used by folks who consider themselves adults.

[nadinbrzezinski]

151. I use them, they can be funny

[JackBeck]

158. Ha, I just came across who you were referring to.

Just another keyboard warrior, that one. Lots of words nicely strung together with no real world impact.

I'd have a little more respect if she actually could point to where her work has been effective and continuously facilitated change.

[TheFarS1de]

149. I thought we owned the conspiracy plot

schadenfreude is nice in small doses

[JackBeck]

155. "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again

for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."

I guess if they say it enough times it becomes reality.

[nadinbrzezinski]

156. We have now a second instance of the talking point on this site

by one of the regulars. The bat signal must have gone up.

They are actually going to run with this was an acorn breitbart stunt...

[JackBeck]

160. Yeah, good luck with that. n/t

[enigmatic]

162. If Brock runs w/ these talking points

in attacking BLM and Ashley Williams, it's over.

The best thing they can do is apologize and throw themselves at the mercy of the court of public opinion. It most likely won't help her campaign, but attacking Ashley Williams and BLM, especially if it's these kinds of talking points, will finish them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

164. I am just ammused

I'm having flashbacks to 2012 and that 47 percent moment.

[Waiting For Everyman]

143. Well done, Ashley Williams and friend!

THAT'S the way to protest and WHAT to protest.

Way to go! I have criticized some of BLM's past actions, but that was a thing of beauty!

I am so glad that word will begin now to filter through the black community about what Hillary and Bill have really been doing. That's important.

[Fairgo]

181. Brave, Brave woman

To stand up to corruption in the devil's own foyer.

[PonyUp]

184. I bet from now on everyone attending a Hillary event will be screened, no matter the cost of ticket.

[Fearless]

188. Hillary is no friend to black people

And no friend to LGBT people, or the poor, or the middle class.

She will pander for votes though!

It's amazing how many she has fooled. Hopefully this will help peel the wool back from their eyes.

[WillyT]

192. K & R !!!

[morningfog]

193. Keep it kick, dupes are being locked.

[Babel_17]

200. This kind of story generates new ones

Unless I'm seriously misreading it.

[Gregorian]

194. The past is important if people don't trust you in the present.

[bunnies]

195. Hillary and her asshole pals couldnt have handled that any worse.

That was straight up disgusting to watch.

[Babel_17]

196. Poorly played, should have answered her directly with a canned response, talking over her as needed,

and then asked her to sit down and listen to what she had to say. Tell her they could chat later. (applause)

She should have been escorted to a seat, not out the door. Bad optics. Holding up her hand and saying "We'll talk about it", "Fine, we'll talk about it", looks dismissive, instead of engaging. Should have been ready with the canned remarks.

Nice BLM person, but I agree with Larry Wilmore that manners matter.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/08/13/black-lives-matter-larry-wilmore-nr.cnn

More effort needs to be expended in preparing how one engages. You're intruding into the safe space of a person who has every reason to fear violence. You'll call attention to your message no matter how that plays out, but if you want a dialogue, prepare for a dialogue.

The BLM person in the video was just one person up against a powerful establishment figure, but manners still do matter. She was good, very good considering the resolve it takes to do that, but for the greatest effect you need to be prepared for how someone like Secretary Clinton will respond.

Needless to say, I'm here safe at home while she's out there making an effort, but this is about public perception and awareness. And that was my 2 cents.

The silver lining for Clinton is "that happened" and it wasn't a disaster. It was as in your face as this kind of confrontation can be allowed to be, and the public has less acceptance of repeats. The earlier attempt by BLM wasn't as much a direct, in your face, encounter.

Clinton was polite, and went on to give her talk.

[nadinbrzezinski]

198. Well after watching this explode overnight

yeah it is a news story.

http://reportingsandiego.com/2016/02/25/whichhillary-explodes-overnight-could-affect-the-clinton-campaign/

CNN has picked it, so has MSNBC by the way... Andrea Mitchell looked surprised.

[Merryland]

202. OK - let's get it on, CNN!

[nadinbrzezinski]

204. CNN also picked it this morning

[Android3.14]

203. She will lose in the primary for reasons like this

Hillary is damaged goods.

[rladdi]

216. I find it interesting that they are ignoring the Republicans totally. Not attending any of

there rallies. I wonder why. Donald Trump would welcome that at his rallies.

[merkins]

218. #WhichHillary Trending #1

[PatrynXX]

220. Optics

I'm used to the media saying the Mostly WHITE audience during Bernie meetings not Hillary's. oops bad timing

[Don Draper]

232. Looks like they are going to bring Hillary to heel with her own words

[sulphurdunn]

234. There goes some more of the black vote, Hillary.

Wave bye-bye

[SusanCalvin]

238. Well, that looked terrible.... nt

[yuiyoshida]

240. K&R

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