Hillary's Character.

[Cassiopeia]

Yes, this is how she responds to issues. Yes, this is how she reacts to conflict.

It's a short video, just 1:43

[840high]

1. Brave young woman.

[NanceGreggs]

2. This is not how Hillary "responds to issues".

It is how she responds to someone who keeps interrupting and won't let her speak.

Conflating how one responds to "issues" with how one responds to someone being disruptive is pretty - uh - naive.

Yeah, I'll go with "naive".

[Cassiopeia]

3. Hillary could have easily addressed the sign.

Hillary could have let her have her say, as loud and abusive as it could possibly be and then asked her to allow her to respond.

Any low level, minimum wage debt collector knows how to let the offended have their say and then respond.

Hillary's answer was to have the offensive question and the questioner escorted from the room.

[NanceGreggs]

6. I'm sorry Hillary didn't check with you first ...

... before deciding what she should have done.

Amazingly enough, she will still be our nominee - despite her not relying on your expert advice.

[Cassiopeia]

9. 3 states in and you've made the decision that Hillary will be our nominee.

Thank you, I guess we can all just sit at home instead of voting now.

I have never claimed to have expert advice. However, I can create posts that display the character of one of our candidates.

[NanceGreggs]

18. HRC being the nominee ...

... is not my "decision". But looking at the polls and all indicators, I am completely confident she will be.

[Cassiopeia]

29. So overall you don't have a response to my post

other than to claim Hillary is going to win.

Thanks for your input.

[NanceGreggs]

33. I responded directly to your comment ...

... that I had "decided" that HRC will be the nominee.

[Cassiopeia]

37. Thank you.

As always, you have added invaluable content to the discussion.

With any luck the majority of Democratic voters will continue to do the opposite.

[NanceGreggs]

38. Do the opposite of what?

Responding to your posts?

[Lucinda]

4. Thanks Nance. I cant get the video to play on my system.

So she did try and talk to her then?
I read that she had tried and that the woman wouldn't stop talking.
If that is the case then of course the SS would have pulled her out.
She should have just waited and talked to Hillary. But maybe that wasn't the point? Getting the video and blasting it online was?

[Cassiopeia]

11. Hillary gave the order to escort her out

instead of allowing her to have her say and then responding.

If she had just given her a moment to really say what she wanted to say she could have responded. The problem is Hillary can't respond. This brave woman was demanding Hillary answer for something she can't answer in a positive way.

[MaggieD]

15. Correct

[NanceGreggs]

21. Hill did try ...

... but the woman wouldn't let her speak. Hillary said several times, "We can talk about this ...," but was interrupted repeatedly as she tried to continue.

It became immediately apparent that the woman wasn't interested in "discussion", but simply wanted the floor to herself.

[Lucinda]

46. Thank you for the info.

I suspect they just wanted to disrupt and get their video. Shame. She should have taken the opportunity to talk WITH Hillary, not at her.

[NanceGreggs]

51. Exactly.

And it was a great opportunity for her to begin a real dialogue. But she opted for being disruptive instead - which she had to KNOW was not going to get her anywhere other than being told to leave.

[Lucinda]

52. Yep. Video in hand.

Shame she wasted the opportunity.

[NanceGreggs]

53. It really was a wasted opportunity. n/t

[Cassiopeia]

61. No, I think you're right.

She obviously should have respected her "place" in life and waited to discuss her issues off camera. I'm sure Hillary could have told her exactly what she needed to hear in a respectful way.

[Lucinda]

75. If she wanted to do anything other than grab video, she clearly would have taken the

opportunity to speak with Hillary. Her motivation seems pretty clear. Shame too. She missed a great opportunity.

[enigmatic]

10. Keep pushing that talking point, Nance

I eagerly await your essay on DU expanding on the utter contempt you seem to have at Ashley Williams here. I hope you'll also expound at length at the prim and proper response by the all-white, rich crowd that paid 500 bucks a pop that were so obviously in fear of their lives that they hissed and jeered the 2 BLM activists as they were thrown out.

Surely it pales in comparison to Bernie letting BLM activists speak their peace when confronted earlier in the campaign, no? I mean he was an all-out racist for doing so I gather?

[NanceGreggs]

13. It's not a "talking point" ...

... to say that how someone responds to a disruptor is not the same as responding to the "issue" the disruptor is speaking about.

Not rocket science - just common sense.

[enigmatic]

16. Were you disappointed Hillary didn't do the "brushing off" motion here?

What do you think Hillary meant by "getting back to the real issues?" Was the hissing and jeering by the all-white, rich crowd to Ashley Williams the proper response?

Love to hear your thoughts about this.

You've never been shy before expounding at length, so I'm all ears.

[madokie]

25. Amazing

how far the mighty has fallen

Bernie will be Your next President as well as Mine. You can bet on that too I might add.

[NanceGreggs]

27. Yeah, that's gonna happen. n/t

[madokie]

34. Should have seen the crowd here at Tulsa, OK

last night. A state that hasn't gone Dem in a while where all our elected official, (save for a couple recent Dems,) are all 'CONs.
Yeah its gonna happen Nance, hide and watch. Talking down to us won't help either, facing facts will though.

[MaggieD]

30. LOL!

[EdwardBernays]

20. You might

Want to go back to when Sanders was being interrupted last Summer and read all the condescending advice the Hillary supporters gave his supporters.

Its good to see how well Bernie did in comparison. If this keeps happening she's gonna start having problems with AAs...sorry superpredators...

[NanceGreggs]

26. Yeah.

I've been watching how Bernie has made amazing strides in garnering AA support since then, while Hillary's numbers have been plummeting.

[MaggieD]

32. LOL - I know right?

[delrem]

72. I like how crystal clear you're making it, Nance. n/t

[Betty Karlson]

24. This young woman did exactly what two others did to Bernie Sanders.

His reaction: giving them the mike, inviting them to his next campaign event.

Her reaction: removing the critic.

[mdbl]

63. Everyone seems to fail to see that comparison

also, I guess I'll never be able to afford a Clinton fundraiser so my questions will never be answered.

[Betty Karlson]

65. None so tone-deaf as those who don't want to hear.

None so blind as those who don't want to see you.

[Cassiopeia]

78. Yes

Hillary had a HUGE opportunity and decided that opportunity was best served by pushing that brave woman right out of the room.

Hillary, in this for herself and when confronted always chooses the move that demonstrates her power.

[delrem]

70. Why, yes it obviously is, as the video demonstrates.

To top it off, further brushing the discussion off with "she will be our nominee" is typical of how her supporters respond to difficult issues - not just this one.

Oddly, neither Hillary Clinton nor her supporters give other candidates, whether Dems or Reps, the same free pass.

[MaggieD]

5. Better than Sanders - that's for sure

[Cassiopeia]

8. Please elaborate.

[enigmatic]

12. I want to hear this too

This ought to be good.

[MaggieD]

14. Well she didn't stomp off and cancel a meeting with them

As Clinton has demonstrated in the past, she's more than willing to discuss these issues. But this protestor didn't want to discuss anything. She just wanted to protest. And she did that and then she had to leave so the rest of the fundraiser could continue as scheduled.

She had her say. I'm glad she got to say what was on her mind. And I wil bet you that Hillary's supporters will not diss the shit out of her for doing it like was done to the BLM folks that protested Sanders.

[enigmatic]

17. 2 over your fellow supporters are doing just that right now

1 claims it was an acorn/Breitbart setup, the other wonders how she came up with 500 bucks to get in.

She didn't "have to leave" she got thrown out. After paying her money to get in.

[MaggieD]

23. 2? LOL!

Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, and the entire first page of DU was covered with Sanders supporters dissing AA when BLM protested him. Hell, it was so bad it made the news media.

2? LMAO.

[forjusticethunders]

76. And none of them are the ballot.

Guess who's on the ballot? Hillary Clinton.

But I guess you only love us until we decide to be more than a firewall for your campaign.

I say over and over Sanders can and should be criticized on race. He hasn't done enough, very few politicians have. Not even Obama's done enough. But if race is a weak point for Bernie, it's a dumpster fire for Hillary.

The fact that she COULDNT walk back the superpredators line is incredible. Even if she said "my views have evolved on the issue" that would have been better than what she actually said.

[Cassiopeia]

22. No,

Instead when confronted directly she decided to blow off the issue.

She could have easily defused the anger. All it would have taken is for Hillary to just shut up, let her have her say. A 45 second, maybe even a 2 minute speech on her concern. Just stand back and....

LISTEN (aww gee I remember all of those listening tours of last year, she should have those mastered by now.)

Then Hillary could have responded in a professional and Presidential way. No, Hillary chose to have the last word as this brave woman was escorted out of the room.

She solved nothing, she addressed nothing. All Hillary did was show how much power she has over all of the little people.

[MaggieD]

28. I'm fascinated by how Bernie's supporters have changed their minds about this

It's truly fascinating after witnessing them voicing their opinions about BLM last summer. LOL!

[Cassiopeia]

35. Redirect?

Hillary can't step back and listen?

Now something Hillary has done is about me or other Bernie supporters?

[MaggieD]

40. I think she said her peace....

.... And made it clear she did not want to discuss anything with Clinton. That's what I saw. And she was personally attacking Clinton as well. That's not a discussion or an intention to have one.

[Cassiopeia]

42. Very Presidential.

Hillary countered with an an attack at every opening.

Any salesperson, wait staff, bartender, counter help, etc etc etc KNOWS, when you have an angry person you let them have their say and then you counter with options that resolve the situation.

Yes, that 16 year old bus boy cleaning up the table next to you in the low wage restaurant has this skill.

You're telling me that Hillary, the SOS, doesn't know how to let the "angered" have their say first so she can have her own proper response back?

Seriously? She does't know how to listen and then respond after a 6 month listening tour?

[LovingA2andMI]

45. Good Question....

Seriously? She does't know how to listen and then respond after a 6 month listening tour?

One would think as while Hillary was on her "Six Month Listening Tour" and giving speeches to Goldman-Sachs and other Wall Street Corporations on the Side -- Bernie Sanders was doing his job as a Senator from Vermont.

Guess that "Listening Tour" did nothing for Hillary to learn how to listen.

[MaggieD]

47. Sorry - I just don't agree that there was an opening for discussion there

Clinton has certainly had those discussions with other BLM activists. So she's proven that she's willing. This protestor was focused on attacking Clinton personally. Not sure why. Unless the protestor is pro gang violence.

[Cassiopeia]

56. Hillary is running for POTUS

She had the mic in her hands and the SS at her back.

You're telling me she didn't have the opportunity to turn this event in her favor?

Seriously, the video is less than 2 minutes. Watch it one more time. She tanks it! I've worked sales from a $2.99 add on shrimp skewer to a partner deals that I could retire on if I was the top guy.

She tanks this. All she had to do was shut up, listen for a minute or two, and then explain her position.

There is only ONE reason that couldn't happen.

Her position doesn't help and that explains everything.

[MaggieD]

57. You realize what the protestor was saying was a lie, right?

How do you reason with someone yelling a lie at you over and over again. And won't let you get a word in edgewise? You can't have a discussion with a person doing that. Nor did that seem to be the protestors intent.

[Cassiopeia]

58. Please

Please explain to all of us how this confrontation was a LIE.

Please expand, please explain it.

Lay it all out.

[MaggieD]

59. She said gangs are super predators

Are people making the (racist) assumption that gangs are only comprised of AA people? Every race has gangs in urban areas. It's hardly specific to AAs.

Clinton never said anything about "black people" being super predators or being made to heel. She was very clearly speaking about gang violence. White gangs, Asian gangs, skinheads, Latino, etc, etc.

Dog bless that kid, she probably was in diapers when Clinton made that comment about gang violence. But by goodness, she's probably been propagandize to the point that she really thinks Clinton said that about "black people."

[Cassiopeia]

60. Come on, you don't really need to redirect do you?

Please, explain how Hillary was just fighting back against the lies against her.

[MaggieD]

55. He did much better than his supporters

But I wouldn't say he was gracious. That's quite a stretch. He was so pissed he canceled the meeting he had scheduled with them.

[leftofcool]

71. He walked off the stage.

At least Hillary was trying to listen. You can't talk if the protester won't let you. You can protest all you want and I agree with that, but at some point you also have to listen.

[Cassiopeia]

73. She

and walked off the stage?

It's more like was lead off the stage with the security guys arm over her shoulder/around her back.

I love the spin though, valiant effort!

[loyalsister]

7. Black youth may save us all

Hillary's friends' response reminds me of the white people on the sidelines who cheered in this video of MU protesters. As they try to make their point with a detailed history lesson the MU president just sits in the car and has nothing to say.

&feature=youtu.be

[pdsimdars]

19. One of the BLM important points

Is that they are tired of waiting. . . this is very important. We have all been waiting on the Democrats to DO something for us and they keep talking tiny steps and incremental . . . as the rich and powerful get more wealth and power.
Important point . . the waiting is over.

[loyalsister]

41. Absolutely

And, these protests revealing the long history and confronting people with their own words are brilliant. I think it's possible that there is potential for a stronger alliance than we have seen in the past.

"as the rich and powerful get more wealth and power. Important point . . the waiting is over."

Black and white people are both affected, though not equally. The more of us who position ourselves as allies the greater chance we have to build a force that will drive the change we need.

[JimDandy]

44. OMG those are some BRAVE people!

I don't think I could do that. More power to them!!!

[loyalsister]

50. They wereare so impressive!

Well organized and carefully choreographed. And afterwards tears were flowing because they were ignored.
It's an important moment that illustrates the reality of white supremacy.
The fact that that president stepped down and there is an ongoing battle with the administration shows the success and how much work needs to be done.
It's not over and they have quite a few allies among city residents and alumni.

[Betty Karlson]

31. Those Clinton suporters are so intolerant of PoC issues:

"you are intruding"

"you are rude"

"let her speak"

---

And to top it of: Clinton's assertion: "you are the first to ask this"

Sheltered, much? Removed from reality, much?

[loyalsister]

48. Another question: "Have You Read The New Jim Crow?"

Maybe she should take a look at what people have to say about her support and enabling of policies that have been destructive to people of color. She can't have it both ways. Taking credit for CHIP and denying responsibility for lobbying for the crime bill and welfare reform.



Hillary Clinton Should Ask for Black America's Forgiveness Before She Asks for its Vote

The Clinton era was marked by a reality of setbacks for African Americans that are too often understated, and are best summed up by Michelle Alexander, author of the bestseller "The New Jim Crow".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/antonio-moore/hillary-clinton-should-as_b_9238064.html

[Cassiopeia]

79. They were just putting her in her place.

There is no place in the Clinton campaign for real and serious issues. Those supporters were just protecting their candidate.

It truly was disgusting. It's disgusting that some here defend Hillary's response.

[Betty Karlson]

80. That is indeed disgusting.

One can only hope that SC will punish the arrogance on display. This kind of indifference ("let's get back to the issues that matter" = black lives don't matter) should not be anywhere NEAR the White House.

[Jitter65]

36. Sadly, this is the kind of stuff that fuels the Trump avalanche of supporters. nt

[Cassiopeia]

39. There is not one single Hillary voter

that will switch their vote to Trump in the primary.

Not one. In order to vote for Hillary...... well, you're a solid Dem and have never been a Republican, much less a Trump supporter.

[Waiting For Everyman]

43. Well good, the mask finally slipped.

Hillary is toast. #WhichHillary

[LovingA2andMI]

49. The Mask Slipped in 2008...

When She and Bill Threw Barack Obama Under the Bus. He Should Have Never Offered Her A Job in His Administration As a Result -- But The President is a Better Guy Than Many Of Us In The African-American Community that Can Never or Will Never Get Over The "Fairy Tale" and "He Might Be A Muslim" Comments.

Either way, this time the mask will NOT be placed back on as we know exactly #WhichHillary is the real Hillary as she has proved it again -- and this time - it will be permanent.

[Betty Karlson]

67. Fully agree with you - and my apologies it took me until 2015 to see #whichHillary was the real one.

n/t

[Lazy Daisy]

62. She doesn't care

She got her $500

[Fairgo]

64. Brave, Brave woman

Who speaks truth to corruption in its den.

[cantbeserious]

66. Compelling Wisdom - Vs - Disheartening Cynicism - The Choice Is Clear

eom

[Cassiopeia]

68. +

[democrank]

69. Reread all of these replies and see

how many times a Hillary supporter comments on the actual sign....the actual words Hillary spoke...."BRING THEM TO HEEL." Those words are the issue here, and they are highly offensive.

[delrem]

74. I think Nance's responses tell the whole story. Props are due. n/t

[wendylaroux]

77. Aww.. there she is!! We see you Hillary!

and the snobby,entitled voices of the crowd! omg.

[jillan]

81. Typical response from the Hillarybots - attack the messenger, praise Hillary & Ignore the issue.

Karl Rove would be so proud of you