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Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:20 AM Feb 2016

The one consistent talking point among Hillary boosters: History

If you bring up the fact she was a "Goldwater girl," sat on the board of directors of Wal-Mart and never met a war she didn't like you will be told, "History doesn't matter!"

If you bring-up the fact that Sanders has consistently spoken-up for workers, the environment, civil rights and anti-imperialism you will be told, "History doesn't matter!"

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The one consistent talking point among Hillary boosters: History (Original Post) Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 OP
I have said this many times. Waltons_Mtn Feb 2016 #1
If they maintain "History doesn't matter!" why do they bring up Hillary's experience? nt Jarqui Feb 2016 #2
because tk2kewl Feb 2016 #3
Bernie jehop61 Feb 2016 #4
What crap. nichomachus Feb 2016 #5
Clinton's political views changed dramatically in college because of the Vietnam War and... Nitram Feb 2016 #18
He has been a public servent for over 30 years and political activist his entire adult life libtodeath Feb 2016 #6
And from 1968 til 1981 jehop61 Feb 2016 #7
You really should do some research libtodeath Feb 2016 #8
Have jehop61 Feb 2016 #13
Gosh,seems I saw a FB post last week quoting limpballs saying exactly the same attacks. libtodeath Feb 2016 #15
And, as both you and Limbaugh breathe air, we may assume you two are buds? LanternWaste Feb 2016 #19
Defending limpballs? libtodeath Feb 2016 #21
^^^ Another "cool story" from an anonymous nobody on the Internet phleshdef Feb 2016 #11
From Wiki zalinda Feb 2016 #12
Yup jehop61 Feb 2016 #14
I love how a bio can be tweaked and spun no matter what the facts. A "carpenter" and "filmaker"? Nitram Feb 2016 #22
So anyone who lives in rural America doesn't count? Matariki Feb 2016 #16
Not what I said jehop61 Feb 2016 #20
"and generally contributing to the world" SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #27
It's the weathervane strategy UglyGreed Feb 2016 #9
She means facts don't matter. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #10
God, unicorn, are you really going to suggest that Clinton is still a "Goldwater girl?" Nitram Feb 2016 #17
Well, then so are you. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #23
Dump, that's nonsense. Nitram Feb 2016 #24
I refuse to learn anything new! Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #25
OK, if that works out for you. Nitram Feb 2016 #26
And we are destined to repeat history ad nauseum Android3.14 Feb 2016 #28
Yet, she loves to talk about her resume to prove she's qualified to be president. Avalux Feb 2016 #29

Waltons_Mtn

(345 posts)
1. I have said this many times.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:23 AM
Feb 2016

If you don't know where you come from, how do you know where your going? Without history you have no direction.

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
4. Bernie
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:15 AM
Feb 2016

essentially dropped out from society and moved to Vermont while most of us of the era were building our careers, making families and generally contributing to the world. He wasn't heard from after receiving an excellent U of Chicago education for quite a while. A black mark against him as far as I'm concerned. That's history too.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
5. What crap.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:35 AM
Feb 2016

I was in Vermont in the '60s. At least I wasn't bouncing around as a Goldwater Girl. There's definite black mark. Hillary only jumped ship from Goldwater when she saw the change in the wind and figured she could gain more by switching sides. She'd jump back in a minute -- in fact, in many ways, she already has. Right now, she is pretty much to the right of Goldwater.

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
18. Clinton's political views changed dramatically in college because of the Vietnam War and...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:10 PM
Feb 2016

...the Civil rights movement. My views did the same. I was raised by conservative parents, and didn't find my political voice until I was in college and started to gain some intellectual maturity. It is such a bogus meme to imply that because Clinton was conservative when she was a young, she couldn't possible be a liberal for the next 50 years.

libtodeath

(2,888 posts)
6. He has been a public servent for over 30 years and political activist his entire adult life
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:37 AM
Feb 2016

that is what is true.

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
7. And from 1968 til 1981
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:46 AM
Feb 2016

What did he do? He was a hippie who dropped out. Those of us who worked our butts off to help society and built something of ourselves really didn't think much of those folks. History too. But he changed after that just as Hilary denounced republicanism . If his changes matter, why doesn't hers?

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
13. Have
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:56 AM
Feb 2016

And he brags about being a bad carpenter and living in a shack with no floors....and I won't bring up the part about having a child while married to another. Not bad at all, but left out of campaign rhetoric. While Hillary is castigated at every turn. My point is he evolved to responsible officeholder. Why can't Sec Clinton be afforded the same recognition?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
19. And, as both you and Limbaugh breathe air, we may assume you two are buds?
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:12 PM
Feb 2016

And, as both you and Limbaugh breathe air, we may assume you two are buds? Or is a spurious correlation only a logical fallacy when not validating your wee beliefs...?

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
12. From Wiki
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:52 AM
Feb 2016

Private careers

After graduating from college, Sanders initially worked in New York City in a variety of jobs, including Head Start teacher, psychiatric aide, and carpenter.[25] In 1968 Sanders moved to Vermont because he had been "captivated by rural life." After his arrival there he worked as a carpenter, filmmaker, and writer[39] who created and sold "radical film strips" and other educational materials to schools.[40]

Liberty Union campaigns

Sanders began his electoral political career in 1971 as a member of the Liberty Union Party, which originated in the anti-war movement and the People's Party. He ran as the Liberty Union candidate for governor of Vermont in 1972 and 1976 and as a candidate for U.S. senator in 1972 and 1974.[41] In the 1974 Senatorial race, Sanders finished third (5,901 votes; 4.1%) behind the victor, 33-year-old Chittenden County State's Attorney Patrick Leahy (D, VI; 70,629 votes; 49.4%), and two-term incumbent U.S. Representative Dick Mallary (R; 66,223 votes; 46.3%).[42][43]

The 1976 campaign proved to be the zenith of Liberty Union's influence, with Sanders collecting 11,000 votes for Governor and the party forcing the races for Lieutenant Governor and Secretary of State to be decided by the state legislature when its vote total prevented either the Republican or Democratic candidates for those offices from garnering a majority of votes.[44] The campaign drained the finances and energy of the Liberty Union, however, and in October 1977 – less than a year after the conclusion of the 1976 campaign – Sanders and the Liberty Union candidate for Attorney General, Nancy Kaufman, announced their retirement from the party.[45]

Following his resignation from Liberty Union, Sanders worked as a writer and the director of the nonprofit American People's Historical Society (APHS).[46] While with the APHS, he made a 30-minute documentary about American Socialist leader and presidential candidate Eugene V. Debs.[28][47]

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
22. I love how a bio can be tweaked and spun no matter what the facts. A "carpenter" and "filmaker"?
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:18 PM
Feb 2016

I don't hold it against Sanders at all that he dropped out for a while and lived the hippie life. I do, however, find it very hard to believe that the school system bought "radical" film strips from him. This link supports my suspicion.

http://blog.uvm.edu/uvmsc-specialcollections/

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
20. Not what I said
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:18 PM
Feb 2016

how do you know if I do or not live in rural America myself? Takes me 20 minutes to get to a grocery store. My point is his youthful pursuits are totally dismissed while every one of hers is suspect. Lets talk about current issues which can really affect us all.

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
17. God, unicorn, are you really going to suggest that Clinton is still a "Goldwater girl?"
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:05 PM
Feb 2016

If you are unaware of every liberal cause that Clinton has worked for since she was a "Goldwater girl", you are appallingly misinformed.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
25. I refuse to learn anything new!
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:27 PM
Feb 2016

It's served me well for all these years, I'm not going to change things now!

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
29. Yet, she loves to talk about her resume to prove she's qualified to be president.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:56 PM
Feb 2016

Either history matters or it doesn't. Can't have it both ways.

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