2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWar is foreordained: what Hillary has told us about her Presidency:
"Obliterate Iran" (2008);"Syria No-fly zone" (2016);
"We came, we saw, he died" (Libya, 2012);
"If youre part of Hezbollah, youre part of a terrorist organization, plain and simple. (2015)
I would not support this agreement for one second if I thought it put Israel in greater danger (Iran again, 2015); and, of course,
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Endless war -- a vote for Hillary is a vote for endless war and more terrorism.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)eom
antigop
(12,778 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)the ones who can't have free tuition because some rich kid might take advantage of it
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)oh yeah, it kills and maims our youngest and brightest. Sucks to die, but sucks worse to come back missing limbs, and with PTSD and find there is no Room at the VA Inn...and still there are no jobs. Sorry guy/girl, you're messed up.
For the 1%, what's not to like? Even if we lose, they win and conspire to fight yet another and another and...
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)I marched in Wash DC carrying a sign that said "Another Bush, another war."
A vote for Hillary is a vote for war. Period. No amount of failure, destruction and death will deter her from getting her war on.
RunInCircles
(122 posts)Libya is a disaster zone do you think we should learn any lessons about indiscriminate regime change.
Blah Blah Genocide. Blah Blah Democratic Elections.
Genocide has been reliably poll tested to illicit outrage and horror but it does not apply in the case of Libya.
And why are the Libyans not more grateful that they got a chance to vote for one of our handpicked puppets?
We are of course the victims here those ungrateful slobs living in a war torn hell hole should count their blessings that we let them vote. Kind of like the USA experience of voting for the pre-approved corporate candidate. USA USA
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Genocide is the calculus that drove Saudi Arabia and Qatar (with our help, and the encouragement of Israel) to support and spread an escalating Sunni religious war against Shi'ites across the MENA region. That serial regime change strategy depends upon the spread of Islamic terrorism. Secretary of State Hillary along with CIA Director Petraeus were the principal advocates of this strategy. Blowback was considered by them an acceptable risk until Ambassador Stevens was killed.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)War is great for warmongers, banksters and politicians. For the rest of humanity, not so much.
Hillary Clinton says Vladimir Putins Crimea occupation echoes Hitler
Former US secretary of state says Russian presidents argument that he is protecting his people was used by Nazis in 1930s
The Guardian
Associated Press, March 6, 2014
EXCERPT...
Putin has said he is protecting ethnic Russians by moving troops into Crimea. Clinton said on Tuesday at a closed fundraising luncheon in Long Beach that Putins actions were similar to what happened in the Nazi era in Czechoslovakia and Romania.
Now if this sounds familiar, its what Hitler did back in the 30s, Clinton said, according to the Press-Telegram of Long Beach. Hitler kept saying: Theyre not being treated right. I must go and protect my people. And thats whats gotten everybody so nervous.
Responding to a question submitted at the UCLA talk, Clinton said she was not making a direct comparison although Russias actions were reminiscent of claims Germany made in the 1930s when the Nazis said they needed to protect German minorities in Poland and elsewhere in Europe.
The claims by President Putin and other Russians that they had to go into Crimea and maybe further into eastern Ukraine because they had to protect the Russian minorities, that is reminiscent of claims that were made back in the 1930s when Germany under the Nazis kept talking about how they had to protect German minorities in Poland and Czechoslovakia and elsewhere throughout Europe, she said.
I just want everybody to have a little historic perspective. I am not making a comparison, certainly. But I am recommending that we perhaps can learn from this tactic that has been used before.
Clinton said Putin was trying to re-Sovietise the periphery of Russia but was actually squandering the potential of his nation and threatening instability and even the peace of Europe.
SOURCE: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/06/hillary-clinton-says-vladimir-putins-crimea-occupation-echoes-hitler
Thank you, leveymg for this most important history you brought up. You are fearless in your dedication to the nation and in telling the truth.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)boots-on-the-ground war within six months of being inaugurated (the FSM forbid!). She is a neocon different only in degree, not in kind, from Whistle Ass.
We have ALWAYS been at war with Eastasia.
valerief
(53,235 posts)trade agreements that punish American workers.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)in protest of the pending invasion of Iraq. I was one of them.
Some people are serious about stopping war, and some support Hillary Clinton for the Presidency. It's no surprise that these two groups don't get along.