Hillary supporters, you really think, with all your attempts at creating FUD and attacking Bernie, that

[AZ Progressive]

A Bernie Sanders supporter will come to the conclusion of...

"Bernie's plans are too unrealistic, so I'm going to have to forever accept being collateral damage for big corporations activities and having to become an indentured servant to get an education. I'm going to have to accept my shitty, expensive healthcare (if I can even afford it) while residents of other first world nations around the world enjoy excellent healthcare. I'm just gonna have to accept that big corporations have bought and own our government, and that I'm gonna have to accept the dystopian, depressing world that America is becoming. I'm gonna have to accept struggling to pay for food or healthcare or housing any of the basic necessities of life, because we have to support the excessive profits of big corporations."

or

"Hillary is inevitable, so I'm going to have to accept the Democratic Party to be nothing more than a shell of what it used to be, that the glory days of the Democratic Party representing the 99% are long gone. I'm gonna have to accept a Democratic Party that is owned by Wall Street and other rich elites. I'm going to have to accept the Democratic Party not thinking that we, the people, are worth fighting for and that they will continue to sell the farm and at best get watered down, not as effective legislation passed, because they have to put the interests of their lobbyist friends and their own plans of getting more wealthy first."


Anyone who thinks that this is just about Bernie is a fool and at best is a paid propagandist. If your not being paid, I think it is an insult when you attack Bernie because Bernie is the only person out there standing up for the 99%, and it further is an insult to us because you think we are just passive cowards that will accept the decline and sinking of America as a sustainable nation, just to give Hillary her dream? She is bought and paid for by big corporations and will make sure that America will continue to be in the same course that it is in. We, the 99%, should not have to suffer to give Hillary her dream.

[SidDithers]

1. O.K...nt

Sid

[pacalo]

5. Great musical.

[notadmblnd]

2. "Why, the boy here has his hoop and stick, the girl- her faceless doll

You Ma- have your cabbages." "And you Pa have your foot stomping."

Why does that commercial always come to mind when I hear Hillary and her supporters tell us we have to settle?

[libdem4life]

3. Excellent post. Oligarchy vs. Revolution/vanishing Middle Class. There is no inbetween.

It is that simple. We have a candidate who has coveted the Presidency for decades...Me, and a somewhat initially hesitant candidate who is about Us. This is a defining election...The usual or the unusual...Them or Us.

[LexVegas]

4. Alrighty. nt

[JudyM]

6. Bernie supporters have a clear "appreciation" of who Hillary is, the democratic core values Bernie

is fighting to support, and the fact that Bernie consistently and substantially polls better than her against every GOP candidate - and regardless of Hillary's strengths, ain't gonna matter if she can't carry the GE.

And it's only getting worse for her in terms of trend lines for the GE. Rubio beats her and she only beats trump by 4. Bernie, by contrast, beats Rubio by 6 and trump by 10. Apparently this is not of concern despite the fair consistency of the polling results over time.

[pdsimdars]

7. I have a degree in math and I believe in science. ..

And those numbers have been steady over time. Hillary can't win a general election and Bernie beats all of their candidates. For Hillary supporters who keep up the fear about SCourt nominations, etc. if we get a GOP president. I wish they believed in their own rhetoric and get behind the best chance of winning with Bernie.

[Nitram]

14. "Those numbers" will probably be steady until Bernie wins the nomination. If he wins.

And then all hell will break loose. The Repubs want him to win, so they're holding their fire. If he wins, he won't believe the attacks that will come.

[cascadiance]

31. If the media and Repubs are "holding their fire" it is against Hillary...

Why is she the ONLY candidate in both parties now that hasn't really had to, or hasn't taken any position on guest labor programs like H-1B and H-2B programs? They try to sink Bernie on those stances TWICE now in debates by trying to FALSELY claim that he's against immigration reform, just because he's in principle standing against those slave labor programs that last we heard EIGHT YEARS AGO Hillary supported.

Trump will appear to be the pro-labor candidate in the general election if she continues to wait to say anything, or her co-opted corporate media hold off from asking her this question until the general election. That will be the day that all hell breaks loose, when Hillary gives the Democrats the image of the party for corporate exploitation of labor, and Trump draws himself as one to protect American jobs! Then we'll have our political world turned upside down and Hillary and perhaps many corporate Democrats will get trashed in the election.

Well, Ann Coulter is either full time trying to do disinformation, or she is worried about Bernie...

[Goblinmonger]

33. And you really believe that they don't

have a lot of attacks they are going to send at Clinton?

[hifiguy]

38. She is, as Rummy might have said,

the ultimate target-rich environment. The stink of corruption hangs over the entire Clinton family like swamp gas, and they earned it.

The Repigs will destroy her with her own words and actions.

[bettyellen]

20. I don't think Sanders can win against Trump. I don't think Sanders has been attacked at all yet.

And the polls for the general mean nothing at this time- way too early. I'm pretty sure Nate himself has said the same.

[cascadiance]

32. So, who Hillary or Sanders has been attacked more for their stances on immigration bills?

HUH?

Trump is smiling at you!

[UglyGreed]

8. No true rebuttal

just snark as expected

[Phlem]

16. Yep.

That has been my personal experience as well.

[hifiguy]

39. It's all they have.

[UglyGreed]

42. Yup

snark and slander.....

[retrowire]

9. EXACTLY.

Because those are the only conclusions that can be drawn by a Bernie supporter. And those conclusions are nonsense. We're not going to degenerate into that kind of perspective. That's impossible.

[jalan48]

10. The Hillary supporters vision of the future..

The anti-vision.

[erlewyne]

11. I'm voting for Bernie Sanders.

Because I'm worried about my grandchildren's lives.

I want them to have work, food, shelter, and dreams.

They can have that and more with Bernie.

[ismnotwasm]

12. Ok.

[Gene Debs]

13. What the hell is "FUD"!?

[arcane1]

27. Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.

Also known as the same shit she tried last time.

[Stuckinthebush]

15. Noted

[Phlem]

17. K&R!!!!

[AzDar]

18. K & R

[Ford_Prefect]

19. Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt...A dubious strategy to confuse and frighten.

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FUD
Fear, uncertainty, and doubt (often shortened to FUD) is a disinformation strategy used in sales, marketing, public relations, politics and propaganda. FUD is generally a strategy to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information and a manifestation of the appeal to fear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

The underlying presumption that only HRC can win against the mighty and terrible GOP monsters is but one example. One feature of this strategy is that it neatly avoids the requirement to discuss facts or policy. It worked quite well in several noteworthy campaigns including that of G.W.Bush. By implication it also promotes the position that whatever policy HRC wants or stands for must therefore be the antidote to the GOP malaise.

[arcane1]

28. " it neatly avoids the requirement to discuss facts or policy"

Exactly

[hifiguy]

40. Also known as "if you can't convince then with truth,

then baffle 'em with bullshit."

[72DejaVu]

21. Elmer Fud?

Has he come out against Hiwawy?

[Fla Dem]

22. I would just like to know where all the the Bernie revolutionaries have been for the past 8 years?

Pres Obama was hailed as a change candidate, much the same as Bernie is being hailed now. All those young and new Obama supporters who campaigned for him in 2008 and showed up at his huge events, and the massive outpouring at his inauguration was certainly inspiring. But where were they when the mid-terms rolled around 2 years later? Mid-terms matter. Obama fought a tough Republican Congress for the past 7 years to enact his "Hope and Change" but a lot of his supporters didn't have his back.

Will Bernie supporters be there in 2017 for the mid term if he is elected President? If not, Bernie can promise the moon and stars, but will get nothing accomplished if the congress isn't flipped. Continued support of your candidate after they are elected shows your true commitment.

The Nation
By John Nichols
NOVEMBER 16, 2010

Young Voter Turnout Fell 60% from 2008 to 2010; Dems Won’t Win in 2012 If the Trend Continues

Everyone knows that young voters were less enthused about the 2010 midterm elections than they were about the 2008 presidential election, when their votes powered Barack Obama to a landslide victory and gave Democrats big boosts in Congressional contests. But detailed studies of the election reveal that the decline in voting by Americans aged 18 to 29 was actually more serious than initially imagined.

http://www.thenation.com/article/young-voter-turnout-fell-60-2008-2010-dems-wont-win-2012-if-trend-continues/

[Fuddnik]

26. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz happened.

The 2010 elections were critical, being a redistricting year, and I saw zero effort on the part of the DNC or my Florida Democratic Party. to prepare for it.

It was her first election year sweep. All losers!

The way the DLC-Republicans have gotten a stranglehold on the party, it makes you wonder if it was by design.

[cascadiance]

36. Many of us CORRECTLY saw a lot of the *nebulous* "Hope and Change" statements as not being real!

Note this photoshop I made not long after Edwards pulled out of the race (which I wouldn't be surprised he was "kept" in the race despite his "secrets" to draw us progressives more to him with his more detailed rhetoric on doing some change than Obama was saying when he just stopped on NAFTA in saying he would "renegotiate NAFTA" which gave a lot of VERY FALSE hopes for what he'd do on "free trade&quot . This time around we have a candidate that is a lot less nebulous on the details of the kind of change he stands for.

I still preferred Obama and his nebulousness, when Hillary was more clearly a corporatist then, but felt both weren't going to be there for us, and the DWS/DNC era got started shortly afterwards, though it would appear even Howard Dean now has been hijacked by the corporate lobbies too now.

[pdsimdars]

41. Pah-leeeez

Obama had great talk but as soon as he got into office he abandoned his campaign promise. It was NOT a GOP congress that caused him to appoint the very people who pushed the policies that led to the great crash -- Geithner and Summers. HE appointed them all by himself, the archetects of the crash for his Treasury.
And corporate defending lawyer Holder for his AG and they NEVER prosecuted ONE person for the big crash when there were emails that clearly showed fraud. Oh wait, there IS one guy in prison, a whistle blower who told them about the fraud. . .HE'S the one they put in prison.
It goes on and on.
Sure he had trouble with congress, but he did a lot all by himself.
As for single payer, when they were setting the agenda for what they were going to do for healthcare, he did not allow someone to argue for single payer, but he did have lobbyists in those meetings. That wasn't Boehner who made him do that.
They took all the air out of their base. What the h*ll do you expect?
They have no one to blame but themselves. And if Hillary is the nominee, they may blame the voters for not coming out, but it is their own fault. If you don't give the people a real alternative, they aren't inspired to vote.

[RussBLib]

23. everybody needs to chill out

And calm down the anti-Hillary and anti-Bernie rhetoric. Advocate for your side, sure, but there's no need to get ugly about it.

And if your favorite doesn't win the nomination, I would expect any decent Dem to vote for whoever the nominee is.

[Fuddnik]

24. I wish you would leave Fudd out of this.

He was a good dog!

[appalachiablue]

25. Bernie's campaign & supporters are in this ALL THE WAY. Ignore M$M, propaganda.

[peacebird]

34. Bingo!

In it to win it!

[appalachiablue]

35. Yes indeed, the long distance Marathon! Besides, Bernie's ahead in 3 recent

national polls incl. Quinippiac Feb. 13 where he beats Clinton AND ALL GOP Potentials including TRUMP!
A caller to Thom H. said he's coming Back to South Carolina Today to campaign. RW media is crap.

[Jopin Klobe]

29. "Anyone who thinks that this is just about Bernie is a fool ..." ...

... Bumpity-bump-bump-bump ...

[Faux pas]

30. Yeah, they need

to get a clue

[EndElectoral]

37. Boy, Citizens United is such a critical issue right now. We are an oligarchy.

Sanders grassroots campaign versus Clinton's corporate sponsors make this more evident than I had even beleived.