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Related: About this forumBlack Lives Matter Activist Demands Hillary Clinton Apologize Based on a Lie
http://www.mediaite.com/online/black-lives-matter-activist-demands-hillary-clinton-apologize-based-on-a-lie/In the final days before the South Carolina Democratic presidential primary, things are getting heated as Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders battle for black votes in a state with a large black electorate. Things got a little hotter Wednesday night when a #BlackLivesMatter activist confronted Hillary at a private event in Charleston, South Carolina. Activist Ashley Williams interrupted Clintons remarks by holding up a cloth sign that read We Have to Bring Them to Heel, a reference to comments she made in 1996, and demanded an apology from Hillary:
(Video in link)
Clinton: (reading sign) We have to bring them to heel.
Williams: We hope you apologize for mass incarceration.
Clinton: Okay, well talk about it.
Williams: Im not a Superpredator, Hillary Clinton.
Clinton: Okay, well talk about it.
Williams: Will you apologize to black people for mass incarceration?
Clinton: Can I talk? And maybe you can listen to what I say.
(someone in crowd hisses)
Williams: You called black people Superpredators.
Crowd: Thats not appropriate. Youre being rude.
Williams: You called black people Superpredators, thats rude.
Clinton: Okay, you want to hear the facts, or you want to just talk?
Williams: I know that you called black youth Superpredators in 1994. Please explain for the record. Please explain it to us. You owe black people an apology.
Before peeling away the layers of this onion, its important to give Ashley Williams major points for execution. According to The Huffington Post, she and her videographer paid $500 to get into the event, and maneuvered themselves into some prime real estate at the front of the crowd. Facts aside, the optics of the confrontation are all on Williams side, as politicians still havent learned that Why dont you stop talking and listen to me? is not an effective way to engage activists you care about engaging.
Facts are stubborn things, though, and theyre not on Ashley Williams side here, at least not entirely. Her first demand, that Hillary apologize for mass incarceration that many blame on the 1994 crime bill that then-President Bill Clinton signed into law, is somewhat moot because the Clintons have already done that, and because apologizing for it wont fix it. Hillary never voted for that bill, although as First Lady, she did stump for it.
Part of that effort was to give a speech in 1996 (not 1994) in which she did, indeed, use the term Superpredators, but context is important here. This was one line in a speech about a broader agenda, in which the issue of crime was at the end of a long list, and in which she advocated community policing in literally the same breath. Heres what she actually said:
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NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)There are some hostile pro-Sanders people here bound and determined to believe (or at least act like they believe) the worst about Hillary Clinton.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)It doesn't matter how "long" the list was. She used a racist, dog-whistle term that was popular with the right wing at the time. You know that. Suppose she used the "N" word in a very, very long list? Would that lessen the racism?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Seems completely respectable under the circumstances. lol
Great job by Williams on keeping the heat up.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I support BLM over that of Clinton or Sanders.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)In light of what?
I support BLM over Sanders and Clinton.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)quelle surprise
If any DUer tried to take down a BLM protester like this guy just did,they'd be justifiably called out.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)your NOT not talking about me.
Response to MrWendel (Reply #8)
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MrWendel
(1,881 posts)a monolithic group? Are we supposed to be of one hive mind or are we a group of individuals with our own thoughts and ideas, with most of the time similar experiences? That an ignorant statement.
azmom
(5,208 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)And your statement in the most PC terms possible is ignorant.
azmom
(5,208 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)you are asking if I'm an Uncle Tom for supporting Hillary Clinton. And I fully expect my answer to be swarmed and blocked by fellow supporters for calling you out.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)exactly how are her posts "ignorant"?
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)if I'm black enough. Questioning the incident and its content, makes me less black.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)i think what Ashley Williams did was very brave and if anyone dared attempt to besmirch her actions (and by extension BLM), they'd be crucified here.
But here it is. An article written by a white guy, posted by a black DUer, doing exactly that.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)making my point, just spinning it. And the article you never seemed to read, but you also seem to think that a black person should never question another black person. It seems like if I do, then I'm going to be Cornell West'ed.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Azmom is a POC and I fully support her right to question you (something other DU jurors obviously felt wasn't her right as they hid her post doing just that).
Somebody's spinning here and it's not me
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)She's right to question if I'm an Uncle Tom. Good to know.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)your decision to attack Ms Williams using an article written by a white guy is on your head
Did you read HRC's audience actually hissed at Ashley Williams?
They hollered that she was "trespassing" because obviously how could a young black woman get into the event otherwise? /sarcasm
HRC had her hauled off and then said, "now let's get back to the issues" ( cause mass incarceration isn't really an issue?).
There's a lot of things you COULD go after in this scenario but you chose to take on the BLM protester
you know what? Stick to that narrative.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)so there's that
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)/sympathies
Arazi
(6,829 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)Why did she let men manhandle this girl and push her out of the room after Hillary promised to address her concerns?
Facts are stubborn things and Hillary used a racist dog-whistle term. She said she'd never been asked about it before and I wanted to hear her answer. Why the strong -arm tactics against a girl with a question?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the theme is much older than that... it goes to at least the Jim Crow south but you can find it all the way to the mid nineteenth century. It just got popular again. After all, blacks especially young MALE ones are after our pretty young innocent white women... and you could never leave a young lady with a young black man.
Knowing the history of this shit helps to understand how utterly systemic it is.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)But hindsight is better than foresight. I lost a friend to the crack epidemic and she was white.
I have to read more about the "superpredator" theory. As a believer I believe that none of us are beyond redemption.
I also believe sociopathy is real and there are people who lack even a scintilla of empathy, and are unbound from all moral and legal constraints. However they come in all colors.
delrem
(9,688 posts)You "stand with Ashley Williams" just so you can get your "but" in.
Response to delrem (Reply #66)
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Avalux
(35,015 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)When the adult George Zimmerman saw Trayvon, perhaps he saw a "superpredator." From the get-go, he told police dispatchers that Trayvon was "suspicious-looking" seemed to be "up to no good" and "looked like he was on drugs." Pressed for more details, Zimmerman said the guy "looks black" and was wearing a "gray hoodie" and that the guy was "just staring at him", was "walking towards him" and "had his hands in his waistband." When Trayvon started to run, Zimmerman assumed he was a career criminal, saying "these assholes, they always get away."
That the Clinton's perpetuated this myth is unforgivable.
earthside
(6,960 posts)The Clintons have a political history -- they, as are we all, are now the result of what we have done in the past.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Take it up with the protester, no one selected the language super-predator for Clinton,
she wasn't forced to use that language to talk about crime. She also wants to take
credit on Bill's legacy and Obama's. Brock made that clear she is the heir to their
legacies...that means the whole entire legacy.
What a deplorable OP.
azmom
(5,208 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts).
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)convenient
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)After Ashley Williams was escorted out of the building, Clinton turned on her heel and said, "Now. Back to the issues."
Is mass incarceration of black citizens not an "issue" to her?
Hillary was addressing a wealthy white audience. How dare Ashley Williams bring up issues concerning black people at that time.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)but "back to the issues that I think are important."
840high
(17,196 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I wonder if Ashley Williams will get her $500 back since she didn't get any quid pro quo?
Prism
(5,815 posts)Funny that.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)As long as we can use them against Bernie.
Otherwise . . . well, that protester was being very rude, wasn't she?
shawn703
(2,702 posts)Attacking the credibility of Ashley Williams, a black woman who dared interrupt Hillary while she was talking to white people about the issues they wanted to hear about, doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)WOW
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Ashley Williams' perception is what matters in this context, not whatever nuance people may want to tease out of Hillary Clinton's earlier remarks. Even more telling to me is Hillary's reaction, particularly at the end when Secret Service is escorting Ms. Williams out and Hillary says, "Back to the issues, the issues that I think are important." However you want to spin it, the optics aren't good.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)lol
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)it will stop being funny, and a conspiracy.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Slandering a future civil rights icon (my prediction...) for telling the truth? That's just hunky-dory.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)The EXACT OPPOSITE of how Sanders was supposed to react to BLM.
Sanders listened, just like they wanted. Hillary club condemns him for it.
Clinton ignores them and demand they listen to HER. Hillary club condemns BLM for not listening.
We're deep in the rabbit hole at this point
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Why couldn't she take some time to talk to her, and show some empathy? I don't know how anyone can think she will help them, and I'm talking black, white, brown, green, whatever. She doesn't care about anyone but herself.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Man comes in to throw Ashley Williams out
Clinton: OK, now back to the issues.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)in previous replies to this post.
I would rather be correct than incorrect. Political correctness is an expression that has been framed by the right, particularly Trump, to use as a verbal weapon against progressives. Code words seem to be the mental and social manipulation of the day. I expect Trump to use the N word at any moment.