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MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:46 PM Feb 2016

Black Lives Matter Activist Demands Hillary Clinton Apologize Based on a Lie

http://www.mediaite.com/online/black-lives-matter-activist-demands-hillary-clinton-apologize-based-on-a-lie/

In the final days before the South Carolina Democratic presidential primary, things are getting heated as Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders battle for black votes in a state with a large black electorate. Things got a little hotter Wednesday night when a #BlackLivesMatter activist confronted Hillary at a private event in Charleston, South Carolina. Activist Ashley Williams interrupted Clinton’s remarks by holding up a cloth sign that read “We Have to Bring Them to Heel,” a reference to comments she made in 1996, and demanded an apology from Hillary:

(Video in link)

Clinton: (reading sign) We have to bring them to heel.

Williams: We hope you apologize for mass incarceration.

Clinton: Okay, we’ll talk about it.

Williams: I’m not a Superpredator, Hillary Clinton.

Clinton: Okay, we’ll talk about it.

Williams: Will you apologize to black people for mass incarceration?

Clinton: Can I talk? And maybe you can listen to what I say.

(someone in crowd hisses)

Williams: You called black people “Superpredators.”

Crowd: That’s not appropriate. You’re being rude.

Williams: You called black people “Superpredators,” that’s rude.

Clinton: Okay, you want to hear the facts, or you want to just talk?

Williams: I know that you called black youth “Superpredators” in 1994. Please explain for the record. Please explain it to us. You owe black people an apology.


Before peeling away the layers of this onion, it’s important to give Ashley Williams major points for execution. According to The Huffington Post, she and her videographer paid $500 to get into the event, and maneuvered themselves into some prime real estate at the front of the crowd. Facts aside, the optics of the confrontation are all on Williams’ side, as politicians still haven’t learned that “Why don’t you stop talking and listen to me?” is not an effective way to engage activists you care about engaging.

Facts are stubborn things, though, and they’re not on Ashley Williams’ side here, at least not entirely. Her first demand, that Hillary apologize for mass incarceration that many blame on the 1994 crime bill that then-President Bill Clinton signed into law, is somewhat moot because the Clintons have already done that, and because apologizing for it won’t fix it. Hillary never voted for that bill, although as First Lady, she did stump for it.

Part of that effort was to give a speech in 1996 (not 1994) in which she did, indeed, use the term “Superpredators,” but context is important here. This was one line in a speech about a broader agenda, in which the issue of crime was at the end of a long list, and in which she advocated community policing in literally the same breath. Here’s what she actually said:

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Black Lives Matter Activist Demands Hillary Clinton Apologize Based on a Lie (Original Post) MrWendel Feb 2016 OP
Good luck with that. NaturalHigh Feb 2016 #1
Watch her IWR speech. It makes it easy to believe the worst about her. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #4
Spin, spin, spin. I'm getting dizzy. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #2
+10000 heaven05 Feb 2016 #7
Is that really what all of these Sanders suporters are up in arms about. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #3
Lives ruined & communities destroyed by mass incarceration is no joking matter. berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #30
No joking matter at all. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #36
In light of that I would love to hear your thoughts on the super predator comment ? berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #39
"In light of that " NCTraveler Feb 2016 #40
Attacking Ashley Williams? That didn't take long. And by a white guy too Arazi Feb 2016 #5
Now I KNOW.... MrWendel Feb 2016 #8
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #13
Are Black people... MrWendel Feb 2016 #17
I'm talking to you. azmom Feb 2016 #19
Obviously. MrWendel Feb 2016 #21
Ignorant? Get woke. azmom Feb 2016 #23
Lets be real, MrWendel Feb 2016 #26
Iirc, azmom is a POC Arazi Feb 2016 #24
By asking... MrWendel Feb 2016 #31
I read her as questioning why a black man would participate in taking down Ashley Williams Arazi Feb 2016 #33
So your basically... MrWendel Feb 2016 #35
I read the entire article and cared enough to look up Tommy Christopher Arazi Feb 2016 #38
It is you. MrWendel Feb 2016 #41
Don't put words in my mouth and that's not at all what I said Arazi Feb 2016 #44
Uh huh... MrWendel Feb 2016 #46
Lol, well I like your picture Arazi Feb 2016 #47
What a bullshit hide you just endured. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #62
The author of the article is white - Tommy Christopher Arazi Feb 2016 #15
eeyup is this called whitesplaining? nt retrowire Feb 2016 #10
Why didn't Hillary call the goons off and answer her like she said she would? farleftlib Feb 2016 #6
super predator was a racist meme invented by Reagan Bush and Clintons to justify racial oppression Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #9
Oh give credit where credit is due nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #51
I stand with Ashley Williams DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #11
"But..." yah, right. delrem Feb 2016 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #69
Spinny spin spin!!! SO DIZZY!!! Avalux Feb 2016 #12
Irony. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #14
Trayvon and the superpredator myth azmom Feb 2016 #16
The real Hillary Clinton. earthside Feb 2016 #18
Context is for fools. Outrage is what powers America today. And guns. Blue_Adept Feb 2016 #20
You gotta be fucking kidding me. -10. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #22
I could not agree more. This poster earned an ignore. azmom Feb 2016 #25
+1 You said it more politely that I would have. nt bunnies Feb 2016 #27
Super Fail !! hilarious berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #28
When you peel the layers of this onion you will find Hillary's true core, which is a very cold place thereismore Feb 2016 #29
Conveniently, the article cuts off the transcript before Hillary says "Now back to the issues" Matt_in_STL Feb 2016 #32
You noticed that too? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #54
You left out the most damning part. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #34
Yep shawn703 Feb 2016 #43
Not only "back to the issues," Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #60
issue = $$$$ 840high Feb 2016 #63
That seemed to be the issue of the night. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #68
Man, a certain clique got quiet fast around here Prism Feb 2016 #37
Waiting to see how to spin it? Matariki Feb 2016 #48
Hey now, black lives matter Prism Feb 2016 #50
Please proceed shawn703 Feb 2016 #42
KNR Thank you! Lucinda Feb 2016 #45
Took a few hours to craft this bullshit spin. They should be faster. /nt Marr Feb 2016 #49
They started to test it last night nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #52
Damn, you really are sticking to that talking point nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #53
As a young black woman, Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #55
Another day, another manufactured crisis from the DU Sanders crowd Lil Missy Feb 2016 #56
#WhichHillary trending at the top spot on Twitter is a DU plot! Matariki Feb 2016 #57
If this has any effect on the vote, especially a sifnificant efect nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #59
Remember: criticizing a "civil rights icon" over lying (for Hillary) is bad. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #58
"Can I talk? And maybe you can listen to what I say." arcane1 Feb 2016 #61
She was angry with Ms. Williams, clearly. Punkingal Feb 2016 #64
You forgot last part of transcript. Here it is below. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #65
My feelings on political correctness discussed Lint Head Feb 2016 #67

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
1. Good luck with that.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:57 PM
Feb 2016

There are some hostile pro-Sanders people here bound and determined to believe (or at least act like they believe) the worst about Hillary Clinton.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
2. Spin, spin, spin. I'm getting dizzy.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:59 PM
Feb 2016

It doesn't matter how "long" the list was. She used a racist, dog-whistle term that was popular with the right wing at the time. You know that. Suppose she used the "N" word in a very, very long list? Would that lessen the racism?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
3. Is that really what all of these Sanders suporters are up in arms about.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:00 PM
Feb 2016

Seems completely respectable under the circumstances. lol

Great job by Williams on keeping the heat up.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
5. Attacking Ashley Williams? That didn't take long. And by a white guy too
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:02 PM
Feb 2016

quelle surprise

If any DUer tried to take down a BLM protester like this guy just did,they'd be justifiably called out.

Response to MrWendel (Reply #8)

MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
17. Are Black people...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:14 PM
Feb 2016

a monolithic group? Are we supposed to be of one hive mind or are we a group of individuals with our own thoughts and ideas, with most of the time similar experiences? That an ignorant statement.

MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
26. Lets be real,
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:24 PM
Feb 2016

you are asking if I'm an Uncle Tom for supporting Hillary Clinton. And I fully expect my answer to be swarmed and blocked by fellow supporters for calling you out.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
33. I read her as questioning why a black man would participate in taking down Ashley Williams
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:35 PM
Feb 2016

i think what Ashley Williams did was very brave and if anyone dared attempt to besmirch her actions (and by extension BLM), they'd be crucified here.

But here it is. An article written by a white guy, posted by a black DUer, doing exactly that.

MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
35. So your basically...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:41 PM
Feb 2016

making my point, just spinning it. And the article you never seemed to read, but you also seem to think that a black person should never question another black person. It seems like if I do, then I'm going to be Cornell West'ed.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
38. I read the entire article and cared enough to look up Tommy Christopher
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:46 PM
Feb 2016

Azmom is a POC and I fully support her right to question you (something other DU jurors obviously felt wasn't her right as they hid her post doing just that).

Somebody's spinning here and it's not me

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
44. Don't put words in my mouth and that's not at all what I said
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:03 PM
Feb 2016

your decision to attack Ms Williams using an article written by a white guy is on your head

Did you read HRC's audience actually hissed at Ashley Williams?

They hollered that she was "trespassing" because obviously how could a young black woman get into the event otherwise? /sarcasm

HRC had her hauled off and then said, "now let's get back to the issues" ( cause mass incarceration isn't really an issue?).

There's a lot of things you COULD go after in this scenario but you chose to take on the BLM protester

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
6. Why didn't Hillary call the goons off and answer her like she said she would?
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:04 PM
Feb 2016

Why did she let men manhandle this girl and push her out of the room after Hillary promised to address her concerns?

Facts are stubborn things and Hillary used a racist dog-whistle term. She said she'd never been asked about it before and I wanted to hear her answer. Why the strong -arm tactics against a girl with a question?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
51. Oh give credit where credit is due
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:29 PM
Feb 2016

the theme is much older than that... it goes to at least the Jim Crow south but you can find it all the way to the mid nineteenth century. It just got popular again. After all, blacks especially young MALE ones are after our pretty young innocent white women... and you could never leave a young lady with a young black man.

Knowing the history of this shit helps to understand how utterly systemic it is.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
11. I stand with Ashley Williams
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:06 PM
Feb 2016

But hindsight is better than foresight. I lost a friend to the crack epidemic and she was white.


I have to read more about the "superpredator" theory. As a believer I believe that none of us are beyond redemption.

I also believe sociopathy is real and there are people who lack even a scintilla of empathy, and are unbound from all moral and legal constraints. However they come in all colors.

Response to delrem (Reply #66)

azmom

(5,208 posts)
16. Trayvon and the superpredator myth
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:12 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-drizin/superpredator-myth-lives-_b_3923140.html

When the adult George Zimmerman saw Trayvon, perhaps he saw a "superpredator." From the get-go, he told police dispatchers that Trayvon was "suspicious-looking" seemed to be "up to no good" and "looked like he was on drugs." Pressed for more details, Zimmerman said the guy "looks black" and was wearing a "gray hoodie" and that the guy was "just staring at him", was "walking towards him" and "had his hands in his waistband." When Trayvon started to run, Zimmerman assumed he was a career criminal, saying "these assholes, they always get away."


That the Clinton's perpetuated this myth is unforgivable.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
18. The real Hillary Clinton.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:15 PM
Feb 2016

The Clintons have a political history -- they, as are we all, are now the result of what we have done in the past.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
22. You gotta be fucking kidding me. -10.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:19 PM
Feb 2016

Take it up with the protester, no one selected the language super-predator for Clinton,
she wasn't forced to use that language to talk about crime. She also wants to take
credit on Bill's legacy and Obama's. Brock made that clear she is the heir to their
legacies...that means the whole entire legacy.

What a deplorable OP.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
29. When you peel the layers of this onion you will find Hillary's true core, which is a very cold place
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:27 PM
Feb 2016

.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
34. You left out the most damning part.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:39 PM
Feb 2016

After Ashley Williams was escorted out of the building, Clinton turned on her heel and said, "Now. Back to the issues."

Is mass incarceration of black citizens not an "issue" to her?

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
43. Yep
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:03 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary was addressing a wealthy white audience. How dare Ashley Williams bring up issues concerning black people at that time.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
68. That seemed to be the issue of the night.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 05:30 PM
Feb 2016

I wonder if Ashley Williams will get her $500 back since she didn't get any quid pro quo?

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
50. Hey now, black lives matter
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

As long as we can use them against Bernie.

Otherwise . . . well, that protester was being very rude, wasn't she?

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
42. Please proceed
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:01 PM
Feb 2016

Attacking the credibility of Ashley Williams, a black woman who dared interrupt Hillary while she was talking to white people about the issues they wanted to hear about, doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
55. As a young black woman,
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:31 PM
Feb 2016

Ashley Williams' perception is what matters in this context, not whatever nuance people may want to tease out of Hillary Clinton's earlier remarks. Even more telling to me is Hillary's reaction, particularly at the end when Secret Service is escorting Ms. Williams out and Hillary says, "Back to the issues, the issues that I think are important." However you want to spin it, the optics aren't good.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
59. If this has any effect on the vote, especially a sifnificant efect
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016

it will stop being funny, and a conspiracy.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
58. Remember: criticizing a "civil rights icon" over lying (for Hillary) is bad.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016

Slandering a future civil rights icon (my prediction...) for telling the truth? That's just hunky-dory.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
61. "Can I talk? And maybe you can listen to what I say."
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

The EXACT OPPOSITE of how Sanders was supposed to react to BLM.

Sanders listened, just like they wanted. Hillary club condemns him for it.

Clinton ignores them and demand they listen to HER. Hillary club condemns BLM for not listening.

We're deep in the rabbit hole at this point

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
64. She was angry with Ms. Williams, clearly.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 04:27 PM
Feb 2016

Why couldn't she take some time to talk to her, and show some empathy? I don't know how anyone can think she will help them, and I'm talking black, white, brown, green, whatever. She doesn't care about anyone but herself.

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
65. You forgot last part of transcript. Here it is below.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 04:31 PM
Feb 2016

Man comes in to throw Ashley Williams out

Clinton: OK, now back to the issues.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
67. My feelings on political correctness discussed
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 05:01 PM
Feb 2016

in previous replies to this post.

I would rather be correct than incorrect. Political correctness is an expression that has been framed by the right, particularly Trump, to use as a verbal weapon against progressives. Code words seem to be the mental and social manipulation of the day. I expect Trump to use the N word at any moment.

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