2016 Postmortem
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(12,754 posts)Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)Who cares? Quit acting like Republicans.
seaotter
(576 posts)wall street. Democrats do, and should.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)And your reference to republicans is flawed. Pukes are perfectly fine with politicians taking massive amounts of cash from Wall Street because they believe corporations should have the same rights to free speech as individuals (even more rights, apparently).
Democrats don't believe our leaders should be taking payoffs, I mean speaking fees, from the organized crime outfits that are ripping off the American people!
razorman
(1,644 posts)Such speeches to Wall Street are par-for-the-course for them. They would not be ashamed of them. Besides, right now, the GOP doesn't even have to get involved; just as we do not need to get involved in their primary squabbles. If your enemy is tearing himself apart, you leave him alone.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)You might want to rethink that.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Good point about acting like Republicans. There is a lot of that going around DU these days.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)And you guys either don't want to see it or just don't see it.
True Dems care.
DiehardLiberal
(580 posts)LeFleur1
(1,197 posts)The 'True Dems' label you've put on yourself is quite amusing considering the fact that your candidate is not a Democrat and hasn't been until recently. He has spoken against the party time and time again, and has just recently joined the party. He joined the party for the money they could give him during a campaign, and for the votes in the party if he needs them in a general election. See, Democrats are pretty loyal, and they will usually vote for the Democratic candidate. Bernie knew that.
As for speaking fees. They are not illegal. And there is no law that says a candidate must release transcripts of speeches that have been made in the past. Why should Hillary be subjected to rules others do not have to follow? Oh, wait, I forgot. She's a woman. Sad to say, there are still those in this country who don't see anything wrong with demanding different rules for women.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)I don't think you will hear Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio asking for Hillary's transcripts. If her speeches really were all about scolding the bankers as she claims, then she should release them. She stands to gain trust from the public if she has transcripts that prove her speech content was the opposite of what people suspect (banker cheerleading is the suspicion).
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)It's all some people have left.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)...to a bunch of big money people in exchange for very large fees is not "acting like Republicans". What the fuck is wrong with you?
This is not some side issue distraction like "show us your birth certificate!" or "What was your 8th grade report card?!"
This is the core issue of whether she is making promises or statements to one group behind closed doors that are different than what she's saying to another. If you don't think that's relevant information for people deciding whether the person in question gets to run the country SAY WHY.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)issue with her is the influence the Plutocrats, Wall Street banks, and the rest of the major corporations have with her due to her being made a member of the 1% just from the paid speeches alone, not to mention the donations to her campaign and the Clinton Global Initiative. She has denied that it would influence her and bristles at any inference that it would, even though it is a totally fair question to ask. She could prove she is telling the truth by releasing them and the transcripts saying what she has said which is that she told them to "cut it out." With her unfavorable trust issues she should be jumping to release them, yet she doesn't.
It is the key issue for her in this race, and the fact that she is refusing to release them tells the rest of us not blinded by her awesomeness, that she is a liar and unworthy to represent all Americans.
The question that I have for you is, why don't you care? She is obviously your candidate of choice, doesn't it make you a little angry that she doesn't put us in our place? Doesn't it give you pause to think that if she is lying about this then what else is she lying about? I mean, when asked if she tells the truth she twisted herself into knots and came up with something to the effect that, "I always try to tell the American people the truth." "I think that I have always told the truth." She even paused a little as if she was trying to think of a time that she lied to us. Really!
WE CARE, WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES WHO WOULD BE LED BY HER IF SHE WINS CARE!!! If you don't care, why bother voting at all?
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)sign me up.
You're saying you want to be part of a "cult of personality" party again? We've played that game before; we lost.
jillan
(39,451 posts)gcomeau
(5,764 posts)...but nope. There is no "first do this" here. Do them both. One doesn't require the other to happen first and this HAS to happen.
awake
(3,226 posts)Here the are the full Transcripts of Bernie's payed talks to Wall Street
If you do not see them it is because he was never payed to talk to Wall Street!
Now that thats done Hillary shows us you full Record by Releasing Your Transcripts of Your Payed Talk to Wall Street. You keep telling us to look at you long record well how can we see that record if you keep holding back the details.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)He said he voted against the immigration bill because LULAC did not like the bill. It would be good to see the transcripts from his fund raising with Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street firms. I am wondering how many of these meetings resulted in influence of his votes.
awake
(3,226 posts)Please prove me wrong if you can
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)This occurred more than one year.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)money for Dems, contributing to Democratic organizations, or being helped by the Dems in his runs for office.
Perhaps you should read the article you cite and explain how this is the same as what Hillary is doing, or most politicians do, to be fair. She took massive amounts of money from the very organizations she is now saying she will regulate. It's only because Bernie has been saying these things that she is taking left, but I do not think that will be her course if she is clear of Sanders.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Lobbyists to see if he was influenced by those meetings.
gordyfl
(598 posts)But your link shows Bernie has been very involved with the Democratic Party. Bernie has helped Democrats. Democrats have helped Bernie.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Sanders has used the DNC in his run for the presidency.
gordyfl
(598 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)the full speaking fee (less than $1500) was donated to a charity.
Man! That Bernie Sanders has some YuuuuuuuuuuUGE integrity.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Some are. They'll get over it.
seaotter
(576 posts)Hillary supporters do not care as they run blindly into a November disaster.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Some Sanders supporters and the GOP are. But Democrats aren't.
seaotter
(576 posts)Many more are, as well. Only those who do not care about her coziness with wall street are not. So, You are fine with her Goldman handcuffs?
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Goldman Handcuffs!
Ahhhh! Be afraid!
seaotter
(576 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Noted
eggplant
(3,911 posts)angrychair
(8,699 posts)You have said nothing to address the actual issue.
Between June and October of 2013, HRC made $675,000 dollars from Goldman Sachs alone. That is 5 months.
Based on US Census average salary of ~$54,000 a year for 2013, it would take the average American roughly 12 years to earn that amount.
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/09/hillary_clintons_artful_smear_her_goldman_sachs_speaker_fees_matter_even_if_she_doesnt_understand_why/
She made more in 5 months, from Goldman Sachs, than an average person could in a decade.
She wants to be president.
I think it is fair to ask her the content of those speeches. If it were boring and standard you most wonder:
1) why not make it public from the beginning?
2) why would they pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for run of the mill foreign policy advice?
Why is asking and getting that content worth staking such a hard position? It only fuels the "if you have nothing to hide" position on the other side.
FYI, I don't actually expect a response. So far the "fire and forget" is the standard course of action. Good for snark and laughing emoticons but no actual discourse.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Why? It's old. We are sick of it. No, we don't care that Hillary was paid for speeches to Wall Street firms. I know it rubs some the wrong way but most of us Dems just don't care. Why? Because we don't think she is attached to them with golden handcuffs. You do. End of discourse.
Sanders supporters have Wall Street as their number one issue. Groovy. It's not mine. It's not the majority of Dems.
It won't sell with us as the monster under the bed. I'm sorry.
Best of luck to you and your candidate.
angrychair
(8,699 posts)First, this not my "number one issue" cost and equal access to basic and higher education are my number one issue.
Second, I find it awkward that Democrats care about money and it's corrupting influence in politics in general, I assume you are opposed to the Citizens United ruling, yet not with our own candidates. The duplicitous nature of being opposed to the Koch brothers dumping unlimited funds on a candidate but not even caring that one of our own candidates has made millions of dollars since leaving the SOS position in speaking fees from the same type of industries, is weird.
My goal has never been to change a vote of someone here on DU, just to open eyes and make people realize that it does matter and people do care. Leading up to and in November, it will matter. Success in primary season does not translate to success in GE not the actual spread of the electorate as a whole.
You may not care. Your close circle of like-minded friends might not care. Independents do care. On the fence Democrat leaners do care. To think otherwise or think you can win without them is foolhardy.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)They understand, for the most part, that the alternative is horrific. Only a myopic fool wyo calls herself a Dem, progressive, left leaning independent, or socialist would not vote or vote for the GOP candidate. I have no doubt that these folks will support whomever is the a democratic nominee in November
angrychair
(8,699 posts)I first wanted to thank you for actually engaging in a conversation. It is appreciated.
With all due respect, as much as even I would wish it were true, it just is not.
You are coming at it from a committed Democratic supporter of your candidate. You are not looking at it from the prospective of an independent voter in New Hampshire or Florida or Ohio.
tRump isn't getting 20,000 people to his events and crushing other teapublicans, even in their own home states, with just registered republicans. It will matter.
If I am wrong I will humbly apologize in November 6th. Mark your calendar.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Trump appeals to his crazy base. That is 30-40% of republicans. He has benefited from a huge field of timid candidates. They have waited too long to do anything about him
He appeals to those who are supporting him now. His movement in support is minimal. Once the general hits then his connection to white supremacist groups and misogynistic supporters will kill him. Even GOP voters will sit this one out or write in a candidate.
Electoral politics favors the Dem candidates the most. We will win many of the leaning states but we really just need a couple. Go to http://www.270towin.com and play with the votes. There are very few scenarios in whic Trump wins.
I am not concerned about the GE. It will be brutal, no doubt, but Clinton will win due to electoral math.
I understand the concern and don't think it is unfounded. But, in the end we will win this one with the broadbase support of minoritues, women, and educated voters.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)And they wonder why we won't be there to support the Queen of Fake come November. She makes me sick.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)I said Dems aren't. Are you saying you aren't a Dem?
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Sanders has been going easy on her, etc.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Time and again.
If anyone can handle the hatred it's Hillary. She gets it right and left. She's battle tested and ready to go
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Well, she has against Obama in '08 and she lost. She's never faced a republican, and they've been waiting 20 years to have a shot.
If she wins get ready for indictments and every red voter to come out of the woodworks to vote against her, and she's lost the millennial vote from the constant negativity towards them.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)News to me.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)But he isn't so why would I be surprised. He's a democratic socialist. And an (I)
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)"Democrats aren't. Some Sanders supporters and the GOP are"
Seems pretty clear to me.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Democrats aren't. Are there Sanders supporters who are Dems? Why, yes. Are there Sanders supporters that aren't Dems? Why, yes.
Clear. You read what you wanted to read
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)I understand the trying to twist it post fact. Your fearless leader is attempting the same thing with her Oh that little thing..."I was talking about GANGS". Guess it goes with the territory.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)and as for the speeches, I guess they don't care she's a sell out.
She'll sell us out too, the C of C has already promised that.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)Transparency on a core campaign issue is something we're all not supposed to give a shit about because it's Hillary? We're just supposed to "get over" it?
Stop and think about what you're saying and whether it is something you believe in or if it's an unthinking reaction because it's your candidate people are asking it of and living up to it on this issue carries a high risk of campaign damage.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Where have you been for the past two decades? Can you not see how incredibly stupid that would be? The GOP is salivating over looking at benign transcripts and pulling any thing to take out if context. It's their MO. Why in the hell would any politician worth their salt do that?
She has said she'd be happy to do it if all the GOP candidates did it. They aren't idiots and won't do it either. Why treat her differently?
Bernie wants it because he will do the same - take crap out of context. It would be the dumbest move in politics for her to give in to the bullying on this.
Good for her for not unilaterally doing that. Boneheaded move.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)...if there is damaging information in those transcripts. And then it's only stupid in the same way it's stupid to slip up and let out incriminating evidence of yourself after you did something wrong. It's not stupid in the context of what the right thing to do is for the party.
And if there is damaging info in those transcripts then the people she's asking to make her their nominee to lead the country have a right to know that before they make their final decision.
And the GOP candidates have fuck all to do with this. We already know if they went to Wall St they were kissing ass left and right. But Hillary claimed she took them to task.
If she did, the transcripts only help her. If she didn't then that's a problem, and if you think the full extent of that problem is "oh no, people might FIND OUT" then for the love of whatever you find holy take a step back and think about what you are doing. Get out of unthinking "defend my candidate at all costs" reflex mode and consider the positions you are taking.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Why give them anything?
The only people who want it are Sanders supporters. He's not going to beat her and is in a weak position. To capitulate helps him only and has the potential to hurt her with GOP dirty tricks or Sanders tricks. She is making a brilliant play here. Dumb move to release unilaterally.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)...she should never speak in public. So I'm going to call bullshit.
Clearly there is no concern with her making public remarks, extensively, on a daily basis. That is called campaigning.
There is a SPECIFIC concern about these SPECIFIC remarks and they are SPECIFICALLY being kept from the public on that basis. And that is unacceptable. Think about what you are doing. THINK. Stop just defending your candidate at all costs no matter what and THINK. Apply some damn principles.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Politics 101
This is politics. The only people asking for these are Sanders people. There is no need to give it because the Dems mostly don't care and the GOP definitely doesnt want to reciprocate.
Dumb move. Bad politics.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)Stop treating it like one. Do you have any principles or not? Or is your only concern in this "my side must win because it's my side"?
Stop "playing politics". Stop doing the strategy calculations and "what does my team have to do to win" dance. Just stop it. Remember what it's like to be a decent human being and look at the issue from that perspective. Just give it a try.
Hiding those transcripts from the voters is WRONG. Wake the hell up and remember that you are a member of the Democratic party for a reason, and that reason is, I hope, based on principle and not nothing but a desire to engage in political competition and try to win for the sake of winning.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)It is brutal though. My candidate will win. No doubt about that. I don't want to give her GOP opponents any more material that they will twist. The stakes are too high. I honestly don't care what Bermie wants and why he says he wants it. I want a Dem to win so we don't end up in a Hand Maidens Tale dystopia.
No, Bernies desire for transcripts so he can say, "See! She likes them!" Doesn't trump smart politics by Clinton. It is chess and chess masters win. Hillary is a chess master and Sanders is playing checkers.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)Start thinking about if she should.
If she withholds these transcripts and refuses to allow the voters she is asking to support her to see what she said to those banks in exchange for LARGE amounts of money, she SHOULD NOT win.
I personally think the odds are in favor of her being the nominee. Especially if she manages to successfully conceal whatever damaging issue is in those transcripts. And if you're happy about it happening on those terms you need to do some serious soul searching and ask yourself why you're in this. Because if your position is "corruption is ok, as long as we get away wit it and our side wins" then the next time you complain about the state of politics in this nation.... look in the mirror for the cause.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Our system sucks. Can we agree on that? We have two parties. One is insane. The other is not. Neither is anywhere near perfect and both are corrupt. Ok? Agreed?
Now, we can choose to vote for one or not vote at all. If we don't vote at all then the insane one may very well win. Who should win is a game for idealists. Who needs to win is a game for pragmatists.
I'm a pragmatist who will do anything to make sure the insane party doesn't win. That means voting for whomever the non insane party puts up. That will be Hillary. Therefore, I will fight for her.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)...it's our fault.
Agree the way things works suck? Then STOP SUPPORTING THEM SUCKING just because "that's how it is".
What do you think a Primary is FOR? It's not for declaring who will be appointed to represent you, it's for DECIDING who SHOULD. If you're not making your decisions on that basis you're contributing to the suckage you decry.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)There is a viable and non viable candidate each cycle. Viability is based in support from party leaders and long term machine-like organization. I've been around a long time and have seen wonderful people like Bernie try time and again. Call me jaded but it was clear from the beginning that his would be the next in a long line of non viable runs. I don't hate the guy. I like him. I don't think he has what it takes to be the President but he's far better than anyone in the GOP.
Hillary has 25 years of warts. That comes with her life as the wife to Bill, a senator and Secretary of State. She isn't perfect but she certainly isn't terrible. She will be a fine president.
I domt think supporting her is supporting suckage. I don't think acknowledging the system is supporting suckage. I think we have a very flawed system but I don't think we have the time or energy to change it before November. I'm good with Hillary and have no qualms about supporting her against Sanders or the GOP
But let us agree that the U.S. system is terrible. In many ways
MoLiberal
(1 post)Such a red herring to say she will release her wall street speeches when other candidates do...as far as I can tell Trump has not given any (probably same for Rubio and Cruz) Trump will kill her in the GE as a sell out and being for sale...she even attended his wedding for cash.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)She's running against Bernie Sanders. As Bernie has said, he will be happy to turn over his transcripts at the same time she does. Of course Bernie doesn't have any because he doesn't have any.
BTW: Welcome to DU!
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Please release them, let them go
For we don't trust you anymore
To waste our vote would be a sin
Release them and let us love again
Mudcat
(179 posts)dership?
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)either you believe her or you don't. Those who don't support her are not going to change their minds regardless of what she says or some transcripts say. They will just give another reason why they hate her and don't support her.
seaotter
(576 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)who won't be swayed anyways, who cares? This is a non-issue for the rest of us, so personally, I hope she shelves the release plans just to spite y'all.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Like she did with the Benghazi committee hearings.
It's nothing.
seaotter
(576 posts)Nothing but flakes on her almighty shoulder. Does she even do the "wiping " herself? Or does staff have to do it?
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Yes, sure. Like that.
seaotter
(576 posts)Hillary gives them the boot, Bernie gives them the microphone.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)You might get that going in the Sanders group
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Oh haven't you taken the time to notice?
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)The Sanders group
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Like I said General Discussion: Primaries (Forum) is just fine.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Spunky.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)I have progressed to beautiful and yes I am full of spirit, courage, and determination.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)I've seen it many times
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Will you still support her? You probably will. The truth just won't sink in.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Regardless of content Clinton followers won't be swayed, and that's the truly scary part.
R. P. McMurphy
(834 posts)If there is nothing there then it will end a talking point for Sanders supporters and she will gain voters that see the issue as just another attack on her.
If there is something there she will lose votes since more will see her as untrustworthy.
If you believe she is trustworthy then why shouldn't she release the transcripts? I believe (like Mitt Romney with his tax returns) that she has something to hide.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)...that she is hiding what she's saying behind closed doors to 1%'ers who are giving her very large amounts of money.
This is not a game show.
This is not a sporting event.
This is not "cheer for my team because it's my team".
This is choosing the next leader of the nation. Act like it.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Hillary Clinton has been looking into releasing her transcripts for paid speeches to Wall St. and other special interests for:
20 days 17 hours 59 minutes 5 seconds
www.iwilllookintoit.com
seaotter
(576 posts)With luck the FBI may release them.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)May take months to find and sort out.
Segami
(14,923 posts)and mysteriously appear on someone's desk....
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)seaotter
(576 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)And the day before and the day before. Don't these BSS realize they sound just like Beck, Hannity et al?
seaotter
(576 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)But the civil rights demonstrators did not give in to fear, not even when Martin Luther King was killed.
Sometimes it just takes moral courage.
Bernie is leading a movement for change, a movement for democracy rather than government by oligarchy.
It's time for this movement, just as it was time for the civil rights movement in the 1960s.
Hillary voters are for the most part voting out of fear of what comes next.
It's coming.
If it doesn't come as democracy, if it doesn't come from Bernie's very positive movement that is fueled by a love of justice and by moral courage, it, change that is, will come from fear, maybe from Donald Trump or some other right-winger.
This is the time to overcome the fear that is driving the Hillary campaign.
This is the time to summon our courage and trust in democracy and vote for Bernie.
We really only have one choice --- vote for Bernie.
He alone is on the morally courageous side of history. No other candidate is.
Especially not Hillary.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)I truly believe that she would be the best President of anyone running. Bernies supporters make the mistake of trying to make HRC backers all sound like mindless zombies blindly following the corporatists and oligarchs or as you have said, cowering in fear. I like Bernie. I just don't feel he would be a good President.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)...according to the Hillary supporters on this website. The point about her speeches has been a criticism coming from the left all along. The GOP is owned 100% by corporations and everyone knows that.
I believe it's a great opportunity for her. If she has speech transcripts that prove she really did strongly criticize the bankers behind closed doors, then it's a chance to prove her claims to be true and gain some trust from voters.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Oh, sorry...
Marr
(20,317 posts)is so unreasonable.
Hillary took loads of money from Wall Street, and doesn't want us to know what she said in her speeches to them. It's not exactly Glenn Beck territory to suspect she said things that would be unpopular with voters.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)The right-wing talking points are in those transcripts, which is why she's hiding them.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)You're the one supporting the right wing.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It's time to 'fess up, Hillary. Time to admit who you are.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,181 posts)and it turns out that the only thing on them are some old Rodney Dangerfield routines and a dramatic reading of the Clinton Foundation's check register.
(She's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't, and we'll never see them anyway, so I figure we might as well have some fun with it. Res ipsa loquitur.)
closeupready
(29,503 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Rose Law Firm billing records, we don't know which house we left them in, they're in an unpacked box with the White House china, whatever.
Pick the one you like best/think is the funniest.
Even if they're released, who in their right mind would believe they haven't been doctored beyond recognition? Expletive deleted!
AzDar
(14,023 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)for three speeches critical of the banking industry? When a well known musician is hired by a wealthy person and paid big money to play a private gig, he plays whatever the client wants to hear and he sure as hell doesn't criticize the guy writing the check. Hillary is not releasing those speeches because for that kind of money she had to be very complimentary and deferential toward her hosts. She had to have told them what they were paying her to hear.
Vinca
(50,276 posts)It shouldn't be a big deal if there's nothing terrible in them and it would shut everyone up who is carping about them.
bec
(107 posts)but her medical records, too??
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)rtracey
(2,062 posts)Actually, it is a little amusing to see all the democrat infighting. Actually so are the GOP. I guess the best way to see who will be the nominee will be when all the primaries are finished and the votes are counted. This group says it wont vote for A. This group says it wont vote for B.... So between the Sanders and Clinton supporters, who are your trying to change the minds? Are you trying to change each others mind... Hillary is corrupt, Bernie is a dreamer, blah, blah..... who cares what each other thinks, just get out there and vote your candidate and see who wins....it really is that simple. If you are a Bernie supporter volunteer of Bernie, if you like Hillary volunteer for her, but at least vote.... Transcripts... well most if not all Sanders supporters already think she is in bed with the wall street banks, so if the transcripts say she is not, or if they were simply sec of state junk, are you switching to Hillary? Hillary fans, if she did say to the banks in the transcripts, I will support you when I am president, and you will get better tax breaks, etc....are you switching to Bernie? Screaming at me is not changing my plan to write in Biden, unless you can prove too me what is what.
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)This is from http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/sanders-remarks-on-complementary-and-alternative-health-care
"Complementary and Alternative Health Care" includes Homeopathy. Could ANYONE please tell me why a United States Senator is giving legitimacy to quacks by hosting their conference?
Opening Remarks
COMPLEMENTARY & ALTERNATIVE HEALTH CARE CONFERENCE
Hosted by Sen. Bernie Sanders
Member of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee
October 16, 2010
Vermont Technical College, Randolph, VT
It is my pleasure to welcome all of you here today. It was just about 15 years ago that I convened my first conference on complementary and alternative health care right here at Vermont Tech. A lot has happened since then in health care, and particularly in the area of integrative health care where there has been a growing understanding, acceptance, and use of complementary and alternative approaches by the public and professionals. Yet, as we will hear and discuss at this conference, significant opportunities and challenges remain before us, especially in light of the recently passed health reform law.
Helping us sort through all of this today is a distinguished guest. You will hear from her later, but I wanted to take this opportunity to thank Dr. Josephine Briggs, for joining us. She is the Director of the National Center of Complementary and Alternative Medicine (CAM) at the NIH. Thank you, Dr. Briggs.
As you may know, an NIH survey has found that well over one-third of all adults use complementary and alternative health care products, professionals, and treatments. A majority do so in conjunction with conventional medicine. One example demonstrating the growth in complementary medicine use and acceptance -- over one-third of hospitals nationwide now offer one or more CAM services. In just a recent three year period, this increased from about 26% of all hospitals to 37%.
To me, the increasing integration of CAM and conventional care just makes sense. Research shows that more people are demanding and turning to integrative care because it parallels their personal values and desire to be treated as a whole person. For a wide variety of reasons, more and more people are not simply content to go to a doctors office, get a diagnosis and take a pill. They want to know what the cause of their medical problem is and how, when possible, it can be best alleviated through natural, non-invasive or non-pharmaceutical means.
People are asking questions, and they want answers. What role does stress play in our lives, how does it contribute to illness and how can it be alleviated? What about diet? Clearly, there is a revolution taking place in this country as people are more and more concerned about the quality of food that they and their kids are eating and how that relates to our health? Every corporation in the world is now selling us organic food. Do we know enough about what constitutes a healthy diet? Is the federal government capable of standing up to powerful special interests as they research and advise the American people on diet?
People are also increasingly interested in knowing if there is an environmental causation of health problems and how those issues can be addressed on a societal or governmental level. Do particulates in the air we breathe from coal burning plants contribute to asthma? Is the water we drink clean? What does it mean that pregnant women must now limit their fish consumption because of the heavy metal pollution which exists in lakes and rivers all across the country?
Are our kids becoming overweight and prone to diabetes because food manufacturers are selling them products with enormous amounts of sugar? What impact does watching TV 40 hours a week have on health? What role do chemicals play in cancer causation? Are the tobacco companies still figuring out ways to hook young people into smoking with the myriad of diseases that cigarettes cause? And on and on it goes.
I believe integrative health care offers an excellent opportunity to address these and many other issues and improve our too-expensive and not always-effective sick-care system. Clearly, we need to put much more emphasis on disease prevention and wellness, and on care that links physical and mental well-being.
We need to make sure that there is sufficient primary care so that every person in this country is able to get medical help when they need it not when it is too late. It is appalling that according to a study at Harvard some 45,000 Americans die each year because they dont get to a doctor when they should and millions of others become much sicker than they should.
As a member of the Health, Education Committee I worked hard with Senator Tom Harkin, the Chairman of that committee, to make sure that in the Health Care Reform legislation disease prevention in this country finally receives the attention and funding that it deserves. And we had some significant success. In the next 5 years, $7 billion dollars will be awarded to states and community organizations for health promotion and disease prevention programs. That is a huge step forward.
One of the best examples of integrating health services has been the federally-qualified community health center program. In one setting, FQHCs combine primary care services that include medical, dental, and behavioral health care, as well as low cost prescription drugs. And their services are available to all regardless of ability to pay.
Over the next 5 years, $11 billion will be added to the funding health centers now receive to double the number of FQHCs from 7,500 to 15,000 sites nationwide. This will also double the number of Americans with access to community health centers from 20 million to 40 million.
Vermont is now leading the country in terms of community health center utilization and, and within a few years, every region in Vermont will have an FQHC and over 25% of Vermonters will get their care at 50 or 60 convenient locations. Already, Vermont leads the nation with the highest percentage of people using heath centers for their care. Over 108,000 patients are seen at one of the 41 sites run by the states 8 FQHCs.
Just last week, 3 of Vermonts FQHCs received $4.3 million in health reform funding to build new facilities to expand their services and increase the number of patients they see. And a new health center is being built in Burlington thanks to stimulus funding of almost $11 million dollars.
Throughout the day today, you will have the opportunity to learn a lot more about CAM, not just how it will fit in with broader health and insurance reforms, but also at a more personal level. We have workshops planned that include experts to talk with you about improving your own health. So lets begin. Again, thank you all for coming.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Then release them.
She's freaking hiding some kind of shit that would piss off millions.
JGug1
(320 posts)I'm not waiting.....for the simple reason that I do. not. care. Hillary Clinton is the most experienced candidate running. She is extremely bright. She has been beaten up for years for the simple reason that "they" are afraid of her.
I don't care what her speeches said.
I love Bernie but I also am afraid of him. Jimmy Carter had the reputation of being incredibly honest. He was but his administration was a disaster and that led to Ronnie Ray-gun and the destruction of the American middle class. I fear that Bernie can't come close to delivering on what he wants and that could then lead to a Republican being elected.....and the same kind of disaster.
Get over it. Hillary Clinton's speeches are not important.
antigop
(12,778 posts)TBF
(32,062 posts)transcripts under lock & key ...
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)where Hillary is leading Bernie Sanders by 45 points. Check there.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)them being such pals and all...