2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum'A vote for Bernie Sanders is a vote against The Machine.'
Salon:Democratic presidential candidates Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt, left, and Hillary Rodham Clinton take the stage before a Democratic presidential primary debate at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Thursday, Feb. 11, 2016, in Milwaukee. (Credit: (AP Photo/Morry Gash)), via Salon
Democrats face a stark choice this year. A vote for the scandal-plagued Hillary is a resounding ratification of business as usualthe corrupt marriage of big money and machine politics, practiced by the Clintons with the zest of Boss Tweed, the gluttonous czar of New Yorks ruthless Tammany Hall in the 1870s. What you also get with Hillary is a confused hawkish interventionism that has already dangerously destabilized North Africa and the Mideast.
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Thanks to several years of the Democratic party establishment strong-arming younger candidates off the field for Hillary, the only agent for fundamental change remains Bernie Sanders, an honest and vanity-free man who has been faithful to his core progressive principles for his entire career. It is absolutely phenomenal that Sanders has made such progress nationally against his near total blackout over the past year by the major media, including the New York Times. That he has inspired the hope and enthusiasm of an immense number of millennial women is very encouraging.
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A vote for Bernie Sanders is a vote against the machine, the obscenely money-mad and soulless juggernaut that the Democratic Party has become. Perhaps there was a time, during the Hubert Humphrey era, when Democrats could claim to be populists, alive to the needs and concerns of working-class people. But the party has become the playground of white, upper-middle-class professionals with elite-school degrees and me-first values. These liberal poseurs mouth racial and ethnic platitudes, acquired like trophy kills at their p.c. campuses, but every word rings hollow, because it is based on condescension, a patronizing projection of victimhood onto those outside their privileged circle.
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via UK Independent
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)The machine must be prevented from working, dismantled if necessary.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I'm about a hair away from never taking part in politics ever again. Doing a Pontius Pilate, and sitting back to watch the world go down in flames.
Stallion
(6,474 posts)I'm voting for Clinton so I don't get run over by the Koch funded Republican bus. Then I expect her to nominate Justices to overturn Citizen's United and its progeny and make proposals to change campaign finance laws that can pass Congress. This idea of tying your hands behind your back against the well-funded Republican Machine is crazy. She didn't make the rules-she's playing by the ones forced upon us
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)PIPE DREAM. Bernie is tied with her with his hands tied behind his back and the whole corrupt system working against him.
He has the same rules but he also has PRINCIPALES.
Stallion
(6,474 posts)how's that going to change a damn thing?
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Stallion
(6,474 posts)My Top 4 under Obama:
1. ACA
2. Equal Rights
3. No new wars
4. Hundreds of new Federal court justices including 2 real good Supreme Court picks-maybe 3
None of which would have happened under a Republican administration
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Do we want it? Eventually! Good luck defeating the GOP with that slogan.
Stallion
(6,474 posts)nm
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)will start a new boots-on-the-ground war within six months if she ever gets in the WH. She's a neoliberal with a belligerent, imperialistic neocon foreign policy. Diplomacy Last, if ever.
The ACA is a gigantic scam designed to further enrich Big Insurance and Big Pharma.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)xocet
(3,871 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Any port in a storm, eh?
Sid
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)I just shake my head
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)This is the guy that a poster felt was just the right guy to use to attack a Democrat on DU.
https://twitter.com/ibd_kjackson
I think it's gone past sad.
Sid
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Sadly, I'm not surprised.
H2O Man
(73,552 posts)Thank you for this.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Do you know who she is?
H2O Man
(73,552 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Who is Camille Paglia?
She's an Obama birther who praised the tea party movement.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/18/784050/-
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Mail Message
On Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:27 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
'A vote for Bernie Sanders is a vote against The Machine.'
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This article, referring to elected Democrats as "goons", was written by Camille Paglia (check the link), a BIRTHER.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2009/09/paglias-a-birther-021461
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:52 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What facts of the article are in dispute?
At 36:00 in the audio (http://onpoint.wbur.org/2009/09/16/questions-of-civility), it seems like Paglia has something different to say than supporting a birtherist position. She seems to say that racism is definitely part of that absurd movement, but that others in the group might be otherwise motivated and that broadbrush labelling of the entire group kills any conversation of any possible legitimate views. I don't an anyway support birtherism, but the audio seems to support a conclusion other than what the alerter's referenced article notes. This is a quick assessment of what was adduced in the alert.
The article does not seem to need to be hidden at first glance.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If David Brock is acceptable as an author, then so is Camille Paglia. Perhaps she's seen the light? In any case, totally frivolous alert. Complain in the thread, people! (And it's been a long time since I voted to hide anything, since most alerts are about as serious as this one.)
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