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WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 05:30 PM Feb 2016

Don't Ask Me To Give Up - Sanders

I am a passionate Bernie Sanders supporter. I'm trying really hard not to be drawn into the bickering and slander that has been taking place between the Clinton and Sanders camps. It isn't easy. I'm also trying very hard to not let my passion over-ride my reason.

I would have never dreamed that the fighting on this board would reach such vile and venomous levels. It is so far beyond what I thought would happen here that I truly believe that it has changed the complexion of this site. My overwhelming emotion concerning this battle is complete sadness. No one side is more responsible than the other. I've read enough comments from Bernie supporters that I wouldn't expect to see from Right Wing nut jobs. So it isn't just the Hillary supporters that go over the top. My fellow Sanders supporters have nearly equalled the level of criticism I've seen on the Clinton side.

I try to base my support on the individual and not necessarily comments and criticisms made by either camp. In keeping with my effort to judge the individual and their records, I'm finding that examples of dishonesty, dirty tricks and self-serving rhetoric fall in increasing numbers on the Clinton side. Believe me, I wish it weren't true. I genuinely like Hillary and believe that she could make a good President. But there is no way for me to avoid what is becoming clearer and clearer every day. The bottom line (and what seems to separate Bernie from Hillary) is Clinton's desire for the presidency at whatever cost. It seems that she would do or say anything that she believes will further her cause and increase her chances of becoming the President. Once again, I wish it weren't true...I really do.

It is almost as if Hillary is a part of the "old" politics which encompasses tactics that were accepted in the past with little criticism. I think it is only the presence of Bernie Sanders where the contrast becomes obvious. Instead of accepting politics "as is," that "all politicians are corrupt and dishonest," we are seeing something different, something more genuine. And it has sort of pulled the vail back to expose what we have ignored for so long. Without Bernie's presence, I think we would be far less critical of Hillary.

I am 63 years old...a lifelong Democrat. Of course, now I would be considered a Progressive. It really doesn't matter what you call me. All I know is that I identify with the policies and practices of FDR. I would consider him to be a "true" Democrat. It has been so long since we have seen a true Democrat that we have forgotten that we used to be known as the "party of the people." Others have come close. I think JFK represented our Party well. And I am convinced that Robert Kennedy would have demonstrated progressive policies. Regardless, it has been a very long time. The Democratic Party lost its way. I am convinced that the Democratic Party left me...I didn't leave the Democratic Party.

So, along comes Bernie Sanders.

You can call him a Progressive, a Socialist, a Liberal...whatever. For me, he is what the Democratic Party used to be. He is unashamed of his political philosophy. This is demonstrated by the fact that he has held his beliefs for the entirety of his tenure in public service. It isn't simply a matter of being consistent, it is a sign of someone who is genuine. That is rare in life and even rarer in politics. Most politicians drift with the prevailing winds. Bernie proudly holds to his beliefs under any circumstances.

Having the courage of his convictions is in part, the reason why he has has earned such a huge following. People see this quality in Bernie and want to embrace it. It is something that they have never seen before in a politician...it is in direct contradiction to everything they have seen before. Bernie's personal character increases people's trust and belief. The people know an honest person when they see them. His honesty is so rare that it stands out in stark contrast to others we have regularly voted into office.

And now I'm asked to abandon this rare and unique man who I have been waiting for, for the entirety of my life. I'm being asked to support Hillary who in my mind represents the "old school" of politics. I'm asked to support someone who seems to desire the presidency more for her own sake than for the sake of others. You want me to back someone who has colored the truth and employed tactics that I have long abhorred.

I don't hold any hatred for Hillary or her supporters. Those that back her are simply not ready for a true Democrat. Change is hard. It is risky and causes anxiety in people that are not ready for it.

I will not see another Bernie Sanders in my lifetime. This is my one shot at voting FOR someone and not against someone else. It is an opportunity to reverse at least some of the policies of the past three decades. It will not be easy. But nothing worth fighting for is easy. If Bernie fails to gain the White House, I can at least say to myself that I saw a rare and unique politician occupying a rare and unique opportunity...someone who is not afraid...someone who puts people ahead of his own ego...someone who is a true Democrat.

This someone is Bernie Sanders.

-P











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Don't Ask Me To Give Up - Sanders (Original Post) WiffenPoof Feb 2016 OP
K&R libtodeath Feb 2016 #1
Thank you WiffenPoof. iemitsu Feb 2016 #2
Thank You! We Are With Bernie No Matter What The PRESS Throws At US! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #31
thank you for your post Miguelette00 Feb 2016 #3
Nobody's asking you to... brooklynite Feb 2016 #4
You're so kind. Thank you for your valuable input! Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #12
If I may... DUbeornot2be Feb 2016 #26
If I have it wring then do tell us... brooklynite Feb 2016 #30
Part of... DUbeornot2be Feb 2016 #40
And your approach to "being productive in educating voters..." brooklynite Feb 2016 #45
"Those that back her are simply not ready for a true Democrat." Boom, there you have it. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #5
very eloquent Merryland Feb 2016 #6
Turning 60 & you speak for me. I feel the same exact way about Bernie. jillan Feb 2016 #7
You made me cry. RiverLover Feb 2016 #8
We often forget that... WiffenPoof Feb 2016 #55
K & R! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #9
K & R! Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #10
Agree with your feelings about Bernie mikimurphy Feb 2016 #11
+1!!! WOW, just WOW! Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #13
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #14
He'll know when it's time ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #15
Senator Sanders liberal from boston Feb 2016 #48
Of course he will be there ... so will O'Malley. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #49
I'm 57 and completely agree with you. PatrickforO Feb 2016 #16
knr! nt retrowire Feb 2016 #17
Bernie. All. The. Way. vanlassie Feb 2016 #18
Extremely well said. H2O Man Feb 2016 #19
kick. Segami Feb 2016 #20
Wonderful OP! Punkingal Feb 2016 #21
Right with you! bluestateboomer Feb 2016 #22
get more to vote! Jezza Feb 2016 #23
"For me, he is what the Democratic Party used to be." dchill Feb 2016 #24
I'm a 63 year-old who never registered as a Democrat because they abandoned FDR's legacy... I hate liars Feb 2016 #25
Thank you shireen Feb 2016 #27
.."he is what the Democratic Party used to be". Duval Feb 2016 #28
Excellent Thread Wiffenpoof. I am 62 and Karma13612 Feb 2016 #29
I'm 75. You speak for me also. OxQQme Feb 2016 #32
Bravo ! Literally, once in a lifetime. So quickly we forget the politics of JFK and RFK libdem4life Feb 2016 #33
"someone who puts people ahead of his own ego...someone who is a true Democrat." Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #34
I follow Bernie's example Milliesmom Feb 2016 #35
K&R. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #36
Vote for whosoever you like. I don't think anyone is telling you otherwise. MADem Feb 2016 #37
I am 59 and flaval Feb 2016 #38
Bernie IS what Democrats used to be. democrank Feb 2016 #39
I like your user name. passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #41
I will be 64 this year unapatriciated Feb 2016 #42
Excellent dpatbrown Feb 2016 #43
Arm in arm, may we have the courage to guide our party back to "We the people" FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #44
I'm at level 63 too:) tommcc99 Feb 2016 #46
"I will not see another Bernie Sanders in my lifetime..." MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #47
Thank you all.... WiffenPoof Feb 2016 #50
Perfect shanti Feb 2016 #51
Yes it is noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #52
not ready for a true Democrat SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #53
Thank you Avalon Sparks Feb 2016 #54
Thank you. myrna minx Feb 2016 #56
what he says is right, he's an organizer of people. We saw a spark of what could be with OWS. Sunlei Feb 2016 #57
Very well said.. disillusioned73 Feb 2016 #58

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
2. Thank you WiffenPoof.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 05:37 PM
Feb 2016

We are the same age and I feel exactly as you do.
This is the chance we have to right the direction of the country.
Sanders is the best hope we've had in many many years.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
31. Thank You! We Are With Bernie No Matter What The PRESS Throws At US!
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:41 PM
Feb 2016

If the Dem Nominee is NOT Bernie We ALL certainly WILL be voting ... AGAINST Someone and NOT For Someone... To BE SURE!

brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
4. Nobody's asking you to...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 05:45 PM
Feb 2016

...Nobody's saying Sanders should drop out

..Nobody's saying you shouldn't vote for him or work like hell for him if you want to

All that IS being said is that there appear to be long odds for the possibility of him winning. If you don't agree then the countervailing opinion shouldn't bother you. If you DO agree, well.....

DUbeornot2be

(367 posts)
26. If I may...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:30 PM
Feb 2016

...offer praise for your honest words...

"there appear to be long odds..."

Yes, the "establishment" are truly masters at creating and propagating the appearance that things are as they truly are not... just like the poll being gushed over in the hillary group that shows she's fifty-plus points up in SC... Until you see they only include people who have voted in primaries twelve years back.

Yes, leaving 12 years of voters from Bernie's strongest demographic is a great way to make it appear Hillary is that far ahead...

There is also the appearance of thousands upon thousands of excited voters. Yes, they appear quite frequently at Bernie rallies. You'll see them in the pictures and videos. They appear quite clearly in those...

Hillary's groups are often only about ten-percent in size relative to Bernie's, if even that... Maybe it's closer to one-tenth of one percent at some of these private fundraisers at these posh places like last night...

So yes, sometimes appearances are exactly what they seem...



brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
30. If I have it wring then do tell us...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:35 PM
Feb 2016

Where will Sanders' performance astound the pundits and pollsters? I've posted my Super Tuesday predictions; feel free to problems me wrong

DUbeornot2be

(367 posts)
40. Part of...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:09 PM
Feb 2016

...an establishment campaign strategy might include trying to occupy the opponent's staunchest supporters in emotionally driven distraction and silly arguments to keep them from actually being productive in educating voters about a candidate...

Hmmm...



brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
45. And your approach to "being productive in educating voters..."
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:32 PM
Feb 2016

...is anonymously posting on a blog site where 99% of the participants have made up their minds?

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
6. very eloquent
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 05:52 PM
Feb 2016

I'm a baby boomer, too, Hillary's age. I was a high school girl campaigning for LBJ. when she was a Goldwater Girl. We remember the idealism of leaders like JFK. We know a good new world can be possible, is more than possible now. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
7. Turning 60 & you speak for me. I feel the same exact way about Bernie.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 05:57 PM
Feb 2016

Thank you for a wonderful post.

 

mikimurphy

(8 posts)
11. Agree with your feelings about Bernie
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 06:59 PM
Feb 2016

I've contributed what I can to his campaign and, although I hate phone banking, I plan to head to the local library and do some tomorrow. If I can manage it, I'll do some from home.

I am HRC's age and I remember the 60's - we scared the establishment at that time and we lost a lot of powerful figures in those years. The establishment has been trying to dismantle and make irrelevant any progressive groups and ideas since that time, just as they are throwing everything they possibly can at Bernie to make him go away. The problem is, many people are really hurting.

When my folks retired in the late 60's after my dad fought in two wars and they lived through the depression and some difficult times, they had two modest pensions, total health care and a house that was debt free. Of my older siblings, those that worked for the government still have pensions - the one that taught in a private school had none. She lost her home to foreclosure - the same home my parents owned debt free.

I had four siblings - all had a chance to go to college (2 have masters degrees). None had any student debt.

Things have changed a lot. There have always been wealthy people, but when three hours of speeches to a financial firm could pretty much fund a safe retirement for an average person..... Really, that is just too much to bear. It has to change!

So I'll keep backing Bernie, to the end.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
13. +1!!! WOW, just WOW!
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 06:59 PM
Feb 2016

You wrote just what I have been thinking. Hillary has proven that she is the best politician of her era competing under the unwritten rules as they have been for the last 40 years or so. The problem is that people are fed up with that type of corruption. Corruption so systemic that our media has for years ranked the candidates by how much in legal bribes they take in every quarter. It has become so open and common to talk about who has snagged the biggest billionaire backer, and who is Wall Streets candidate for POTUS.

Then along comes Bernie, who has actually been around for a long time. I listened to "Brunch with Bernie" on Thom Hartman for years, though most never heard of him prior to this run, unless it was when he actually Filibustered in 2010, the tax cuts to billionaires and gozillionaires. He really has always cared about what was right and fair. He has fought for equality for everyone, every American, just like the Constitution says, for 40 years! What could be better than that?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. He'll know when it's time ...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016

... the numbers will tell him when he has no mathematical chance of being the nominee. Looks like that day will be here sooner than we thought.

48. Senator Sanders
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:56 PM
Feb 2016


The last I read Bernie stated he is staying in the race & will be at the convention in Philly.

PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
16. I'm 57 and completely agree with you.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:07 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie all the way, because all of the American people need a New Deal, not just more of the same.

H2O Man

(73,543 posts)
19. Extremely well said.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:15 PM
Feb 2016

I think that you speak for a lot of DU community members. Thank you for this powerful message!

Recommended.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
21. Wonderful OP!
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:24 PM
Feb 2016

I'm 65 and feel as you do. I got interested in politics because of JFK, when I was in the fifth grade. I so long for the days when we had leaders like JFK and LBJ and Bobby. My parents lived through the depression and raised 7 children and did fine. And they adored FDR and Truman.

I have liked Bernie for years and i so want him to be President. He is a real Democrat, like we used to have.

I hate liars

(165 posts)
25. I'm a 63 year-old who never registered as a Democrat because they abandoned FDR's legacy...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:27 PM
Feb 2016

So I'm 100% behind your endorsement of Bernie.

If the Democratic party were to shed its shameless DLC / 3rd way leadership and begin to stand up for the interests of average Americans again, I would register as a Democrat in a heartbeat.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
27. Thank you
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:31 PM
Feb 2016

That was very touching. Bernie is indeed a treasure.

I hope he inspires young people to follow in his footsteps. We need them.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
28. .."he is what the Democratic Party used to be".
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:32 PM
Feb 2016

Yes, he is and I'm old enough to remember how it used to be. Thank you WiffenPoof.


Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
29. Excellent Thread Wiffenpoof. I am 62 and
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:35 PM
Feb 2016

know that we won't get another chance like this in our lifetime.

I am fightening hard to get Bernie in the WH.

It's always nice to know that another 60 something feels the Bern as well.

Not sure about you, but I am not an 'innocent bystander" in this election.

I am not well off and will rely very heavily on SS and Medicare.

And I worry about the earth we are leaving to the young people.

I will be negatively impacted if Hillary or a republican (what is the difference, really), is elected.

Bernie strong...

OxQQme

(2,550 posts)
32. I'm 75. You speak for me also.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:43 PM
Feb 2016

When I was a wee young-un I listened to mom and dad, aunts and uncles and assorted other
working class people say how FDR was the greatest thing since sliced bread, or the electric
washing machine, for this country.

My observations from this 3/4 century mark is that Bernie is the real deal.

"We - not - Me" is his message.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt

<In 1932, in the depths of the Great Depression, Roosevelt successfully defeated incumbent Republican president Herbert Hoover to win the presidency of the United States. Having been energized by his personal victory over his polio, FDR relied on his persistent optimism and activism to renew the national spirit.[3] In his first hundred days in office, which began March 4, 1933, Roosevelt spearheaded unprecedented major legislation and issued a profusion of executive orders that instituted the New Deal—a variety of programs designed to produce relief (government jobs for the unemployed), recovery (economic growth), and reform (through regulation of Wall Street, banks and transportation). He created numerous programs to support the unemployed and farmers, and to encourage labor union growth while more closely regulating business and high finance.>

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
33. Bravo ! Literally, once in a lifetime. So quickly we forget the politics of JFK and RFK
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:49 PM
Feb 2016

They were Real Democrats and I was just a teenager. Then came the intense grief. But we didn't know we had just lived through not only their deaths, but the upcoming steep decline of their/our party into the pockets of a few rich folk.

Maybe they just come along every now and again. Nor am I comparing Bernie to the Kennedys. In fact, almost the opposite. He's tremendously powerful in his own way...literally arising from amongst the people in Brooklyn, son of an immigrant.

I'm proud to have one more shot at it.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
34. "someone who puts people ahead of his own ego...someone who is a true Democrat."
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:49 PM
Feb 2016

kinda says it all.

WIN! Bernie WIN!

 

Milliesmom

(493 posts)
35. I follow Bernie's example
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:49 PM
Feb 2016

Be kind, be polite, be open, be honest, remember we are all different. Think before you speak, would you want someone saying this to you? Ignore the negative comments, do not reply, do not be chided into an argument. Well my mother also taught me some of that.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. Vote for whosoever you like. I don't think anyone is telling you otherwise.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:58 PM
Feb 2016

However, if your candidate throws in the towel, I hope you'll continue to follow his lead.

flaval

(17 posts)
38. I am 59 and
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:02 PM
Feb 2016

I feel exactly like you also. I think it is great that I have someone I can vote for that has policies that I completely agree with.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
42. I will be 64 this year
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:23 PM
Feb 2016

I am also not ready to give up on a candidate who is a WE not an I. He may be the last chance we all have to take our government out of the hands of big money. Citizens United was the worst thing to happen to our political process. My parents lived through the depression yet because of FDR and strong unions they were able to raise six children and retire comfortable. Their grandchildren to not have the same opportunity to do that. Hell, I will be working until way past 70 just to insure my disabled son has the medical care he needs.

 

dpatbrown

(368 posts)
43. Excellent
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:31 PM
Feb 2016

I enjoyed it so much I read it twice. I agree with everything you said.

I stood ten yards away from Bobby Kennedy when he spoke in Sacramento just before he went down to L.A. He was close, but no Senator Sanders.

Yes, I agree. She would look a lot more acceptable IF she was running against a "normal" candidate. He has raised the bar, hasn't he?

Again, I very much enjoyed what you had to say, and the fact that you probably spent a good amount of time putting your thoughts down.

tommcc99

(48 posts)
46. I'm at level 63 too:)
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:35 PM
Feb 2016

Well written and thoughtful OP. And I thought only the millennials were supporting ha.

Better if we could avoid the name calling and arguing. It does no good and just feeds the beast.
Tell the truth. Object to and disprove the lie and then move on.

In Bernie I see passion and integrity and some I know will always try to do the right, fair and honorable thing.

The only person I am voting for on election day is Senator Bernie Sanders

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
50. Thank you all....
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 01:20 AM
Feb 2016

...for your kind words concerning my OP. If nothing else, I hope that people will better understand why some of us feel compelled to support Sanders. As far as I'm concerned, Bernie represents our last best hope to return our country to the people.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
52. Yes it is
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 01:35 AM
Feb 2016

A once in a lifetime opportunity for this 59 year old too. Thanks WiffenPoof for the heartfelt OP. I Never thought I'd see it in my lifetime either.

Avalon Sparks

(2,565 posts)
54. Thank you
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 03:33 AM
Feb 2016

I agree with everything you said. I feel the same. I want it so bad, Bernies vision realized, this country needs it so much, that it's breaking my heart to think we might miss this chance.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
57. what he says is right, he's an organizer of people. We saw a spark of what could be with OWS.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:00 AM
Feb 2016

The states Governors-local were brutal with the protesters, the authorities knew that would scare people off. Works in all countries like that to quash actual descent. We needed the Federal Gov. to help and they weren't there. There has to be someway to use social media to pressure Congress and the Senate members in a more organized way.

I'm going to vote in the general election and I'll never vote R. But this primary my small donations go to Senator Sanders only, and I'll give him my primary vote too.

Mrs. Clinton should take heed now that almost half of voters aren't giving her their primary votes. She's a great diplomat but shouldn't treat half the American people using her 'diplomatic speak'.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
58. Very well said..
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:50 AM
Feb 2016

and I am right there with you.. I don't hate/dislike Clinton and/or her supporters - I get it, it's hard to break from the norm..

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