2016 Postmortem
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I am a passionate Bernie Sanders supporter. I'm trying really hard not to be drawn into the bickering and slander that has been taking place between the Clinton and Sanders camps. It isn't easy. I'm also trying very hard to not let my passion over-ride my reason.
I would have never dreamed that the fighting on this board would reach such vile and venomous levels. It is so far beyond what I thought would happen here that I truly believe that it has changed the complexion of this site. My overwhelming emotion concerning this battle is complete sadness. No one side is more responsible than the other. I've read enough comments from Bernie supporters that I wouldn't expect to see from Right Wing nut jobs. So it isn't just the Hillary supporters that go over the top. My fellow Sanders supporters have nearly equalled the level of criticism I've seen on the Clinton side.
I try to base my support on the individual and not necessarily comments and criticisms made by either camp. In keeping with my effort to judge the individual and their records, I'm finding that examples of dishonesty, dirty tricks and self-serving rhetoric fall in increasing numbers on the Clinton side. Believe me, I wish it weren't true. I genuinely like Hillary and believe that she could make a good President. But there is no way for me to avoid what is becoming clearer and clearer every day. The bottom line (and what seems to separate Bernie from Hillary) is Clinton's desire for the presidency at whatever cost. It seems that she would do or say anything that she believes will further her cause and increase her chances of becoming the President. Once again, I wish it weren't true...I really do.
It is almost as if Hillary is a part of the "old" politics which encompasses tactics that were accepted in the past with little criticism. I think it is only the presence of Bernie Sanders where the contrast becomes obvious. Instead of accepting politics "as is," that "all politicians are corrupt and dishonest," we are seeing something different, something more genuine. And it has sort of pulled the vail back to expose what we have ignored for so long. Without Bernie's presence, I think we would be far less critical of Hillary.
I am 63 years old...a lifelong Democrat. Of course, now I would be considered a Progressive. It really doesn't matter what you call me. All I know is that I identify with the policies and practices of FDR. I would consider him to be a "true" Democrat. It has been so long since we have seen a true Democrat that we have forgotten that we used to be known as the "party of the people." Others have come close. I think JFK represented our Party well. And I am convinced that Robert Kennedy would have demonstrated progressive policies. Regardless, it has been a very long time. The Democratic Party lost its way. I am convinced that the Democratic Party left me...I didn't leave the Democratic Party.
So, along comes Bernie Sanders.
You can call him a Progressive, a Socialist, a Liberal...whatever. For me, he is what the Democratic Party used to be. He is unashamed of his political philosophy. This is demonstrated by the fact that he has held his beliefs for the entirety of his tenure in public service. It isn't simply a matter of being consistent, it is a sign of someone who is genuine. That is rare in life and even rarer in politics. Most politicians drift with the prevailing winds. Bernie proudly holds to his beliefs under any circumstances.
Having the courage of his convictions is in part, the reason why he has has earned such a huge following. People see this quality in Bernie and want to embrace it. It is something that they have never seen before in a politician...it is in direct contradiction to everything they have seen before. Bernie's personal character increases people's trust and belief. The people know an honest person when they see them. His honesty is so rare that it stands out in stark contrast to others we have regularly voted into office.
And now I'm asked to abandon this rare and unique man who I have been waiting for, for the entirety of my life. I'm being asked to support Hillary who in my mind represents the "old school" of politics. I'm asked to support someone who seems to desire the presidency more for her own sake than for the sake of others. You want me to back someone who has colored the truth and employed tactics that I have long abhorred.
I don't hold any hatred for Hillary or her supporters. Those that back her are simply not ready for a true Democrat. Change is hard. It is risky and causes anxiety in people that are not ready for it.
I will not see another Bernie Sanders in my lifetime. This is my one shot at voting FOR someone and not against someone else. It is an opportunity to reverse at least some of the policies of the past three decades. It will not be easy. But nothing worth fighting for is easy. If Bernie fails to gain the White House, I can at least say to myself that I saw a rare and unique politician occupying a rare and unique opportunity...someone who is not afraid...someone who puts people ahead of his own ego...someone who is a true Democrat.
This someone is Bernie Sanders.
-P
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)iemitsu
(3,888 posts)We are the same age and I feel exactly as you do.
This is the chance we have to right the direction of the country.
Sanders is the best hope we've had in many many years.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)If the Dem Nominee is NOT Bernie We ALL certainly WILL be voting ... AGAINST Someone and NOT For Someone... To BE SURE!
Miguelette00
(3 posts)wow love it
brooklynite
(94,572 posts)...Nobody's saying Sanders should drop out
..Nobody's saying you shouldn't vote for him or work like hell for him if you want to
All that IS being said is that there appear to be long odds for the possibility of him winning. If you don't agree then the countervailing opinion shouldn't bother you. If you DO agree, well.....
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)DUbeornot2be
(367 posts)...offer praise for your honest words...
"there appear to be long odds..."
Yes, the "establishment" are truly masters at creating and propagating the appearance that things are as they truly are not... just like the poll being gushed over in the hillary group that shows she's fifty-plus points up in SC... Until you see they only include people who have voted in primaries twelve years back.
Yes, leaving 12 years of voters from Bernie's strongest demographic is a great way to make it appear Hillary is that far ahead...
There is also the appearance of thousands upon thousands of excited voters. Yes, they appear quite frequently at Bernie rallies. You'll see them in the pictures and videos. They appear quite clearly in those...
Hillary's groups are often only about ten-percent in size relative to Bernie's, if even that... Maybe it's closer to one-tenth of one percent at some of these private fundraisers at these posh places like last night...
So yes, sometimes appearances are exactly what they seem...
brooklynite
(94,572 posts)Where will Sanders' performance astound the pundits and pollsters? I've posted my Super Tuesday predictions; feel free to problems me wrong
DUbeornot2be
(367 posts)...an establishment campaign strategy might include trying to occupy the opponent's staunchest supporters in emotionally driven distraction and silly arguments to keep them from actually being productive in educating voters about a candidate...
Hmmm...
brooklynite
(94,572 posts)...is anonymously posting on a blog site where 99% of the participants have made up their minds?
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)I'm a baby boomer, too, Hillary's age. I was a high school girl campaigning for LBJ. when she was a Goldwater Girl. We remember the idealism of leaders like JFK. We know a good new world can be possible, is more than possible now. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Thank you for a wonderful post.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)...our political philosophy is a reflection of our deepest feelings.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)mikimurphy
(8 posts)I've contributed what I can to his campaign and, although I hate phone banking, I plan to head to the local library and do some tomorrow. If I can manage it, I'll do some from home.
I am HRC's age and I remember the 60's - we scared the establishment at that time and we lost a lot of powerful figures in those years. The establishment has been trying to dismantle and make irrelevant any progressive groups and ideas since that time, just as they are throwing everything they possibly can at Bernie to make him go away. The problem is, many people are really hurting.
When my folks retired in the late 60's after my dad fought in two wars and they lived through the depression and some difficult times, they had two modest pensions, total health care and a house that was debt free. Of my older siblings, those that worked for the government still have pensions - the one that taught in a private school had none. She lost her home to foreclosure - the same home my parents owned debt free.
I had four siblings - all had a chance to go to college (2 have masters degrees). None had any student debt.
Things have changed a lot. There have always been wealthy people, but when three hours of speeches to a financial firm could pretty much fund a safe retirement for an average person..... Really, that is just too much to bear. It has to change!
So I'll keep backing Bernie, to the end.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)You wrote just what I have been thinking. Hillary has proven that she is the best politician of her era competing under the unwritten rules as they have been for the last 40 years or so. The problem is that people are fed up with that type of corruption. Corruption so systemic that our media has for years ranked the candidates by how much in legal bribes they take in every quarter. It has become so open and common to talk about who has snagged the biggest billionaire backer, and who is Wall Streets candidate for POTUS.
Then along comes Bernie, who has actually been around for a long time. I listened to "Brunch with Bernie" on Thom Hartman for years, though most never heard of him prior to this run, unless it was when he actually Filibustered in 2010, the tax cuts to billionaires and gozillionaires. He really has always cared about what was right and fair. He has fought for equality for everyone, every American, just like the Constitution says, for 40 years! What could be better than that?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Thank you for sharing that, WiffenPoof!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... the numbers will tell him when he has no mathematical chance of being the nominee. Looks like that day will be here sooner than we thought.
liberal from boston
(856 posts)The last I read Bernie stated he is staying in the race & will be at the convention in Philly.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... but not as a contender.
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)Bernie all the way, because all of the American people need a New Deal, not just more of the same.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)vanlassie
(5,670 posts)H2O Man
(73,543 posts)I think that you speak for a lot of DU community members. Thank you for this powerful message!
Recommended.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I'm 65 and feel as you do. I got interested in politics because of JFK, when I was in the fifth grade. I so long for the days when we had leaders like JFK and LBJ and Bobby. My parents lived through the depression and raised 7 children and did fine. And they adored FDR and Truman.
I have liked Bernie for years and i so want him to be President. He is a real Democrat, like we used to have.
bluestateboomer
(505 posts)Thanks!
Jezza
(30 posts)you're an inspiration!
dchill
(38,497 posts)Me too, WiffenPoof. And I'm 64.
I hate liars
(165 posts)So I'm 100% behind your endorsement of Bernie.
If the Democratic party were to shed its shameless DLC / 3rd way leadership and begin to stand up for the interests of average Americans again, I would register as a Democrat in a heartbeat.
shireen
(8,333 posts)That was very touching. Bernie is indeed a treasure.
I hope he inspires young people to follow in his footsteps. We need them.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Yes, he is and I'm old enough to remember how it used to be. Thank you WiffenPoof.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)know that we won't get another chance like this in our lifetime.
I am fightening hard to get Bernie in the WH.
It's always nice to know that another 60 something feels the Bern as well.
Not sure about you, but I am not an 'innocent bystander" in this election.
I am not well off and will rely very heavily on SS and Medicare.
And I worry about the earth we are leaving to the young people.
I will be negatively impacted if Hillary or a republican (what is the difference, really), is elected.
Bernie strong...
OxQQme
(2,550 posts)When I was a wee young-un I listened to mom and dad, aunts and uncles and assorted other
working class people say how FDR was the greatest thing since sliced bread, or the electric
washing machine, for this country.
My observations from this 3/4 century mark is that Bernie is the real deal.
"We - not - Me" is his message.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt
<In 1932, in the depths of the Great Depression, Roosevelt successfully defeated incumbent Republican president Herbert Hoover to win the presidency of the United States. Having been energized by his personal victory over his polio, FDR relied on his persistent optimism and activism to renew the national spirit.[3] In his first hundred days in office, which began March 4, 1933, Roosevelt spearheaded unprecedented major legislation and issued a profusion of executive orders that instituted the New Deala variety of programs designed to produce relief (government jobs for the unemployed), recovery (economic growth), and reform (through regulation of Wall Street, banks and transportation). He created numerous programs to support the unemployed and farmers, and to encourage labor union growth while more closely regulating business and high finance.>
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)They were Real Democrats and I was just a teenager. Then came the intense grief. But we didn't know we had just lived through not only their deaths, but the upcoming steep decline of their/our party into the pockets of a few rich folk.
Maybe they just come along every now and again. Nor am I comparing Bernie to the Kennedys. In fact, almost the opposite. He's tremendously powerful in his own way...literally arising from amongst the people in Brooklyn, son of an immigrant.
I'm proud to have one more shot at it.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)kinda says it all.
WIN! Bernie WIN!
Milliesmom
(493 posts)Be kind, be polite, be open, be honest, remember we are all different. Think before you speak, would you want someone saying this to you? Ignore the negative comments, do not reply, do not be chided into an argument. Well my mother also taught me some of that.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)However, if your candidate throws in the towel, I hope you'll continue to follow his lead.
flaval
(17 posts)I feel exactly like you also. I think it is great that I have someone I can vote for that has policies that I completely agree with.
democrank
(11,094 posts)Thanks, WiffenPoof.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)It reminds me of wankpuffin, which still has me giggling.
unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)I am also not ready to give up on a candidate who is a WE not an I. He may be the last chance we all have to take our government out of the hands of big money. Citizens United was the worst thing to happen to our political process. My parents lived through the depression yet because of FDR and strong unions they were able to raise six children and retire comfortable. Their grandchildren to not have the same opportunity to do that. Hell, I will be working until way past 70 just to insure my disabled son has the medical care he needs.
dpatbrown
(368 posts)I enjoyed it so much I read it twice. I agree with everything you said.
I stood ten yards away from Bobby Kennedy when he spoke in Sacramento just before he went down to L.A. He was close, but no Senator Sanders.
Yes, I agree. She would look a lot more acceptable IF she was running against a "normal" candidate. He has raised the bar, hasn't he?
Again, I very much enjoyed what you had to say, and the fact that you probably spent a good amount of time putting your thoughts down.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)Wise words from you. Thanks!
tommcc99
(48 posts)Well written and thoughtful OP. And I thought only the millennials were supporting ha.
Better if we could avoid the name calling and arguing. It does no good and just feeds the beast.
Tell the truth. Object to and disprove the lie and then move on.
In Bernie I see passion and integrity and some I know will always try to do the right, fair and honorable thing.
The only person I am voting for on election day is Senator Bernie Sanders
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)ABSOLUTELY FUCKING RIGHT.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)...for your kind words concerning my OP. If nothing else, I hope that people will better understand why some of us feel compelled to support Sanders. As far as I'm concerned, Bernie represents our last best hope to return our country to the people.
shanti
(21,675 posts)You summed it up exactly. This boomer agrees.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)A once in a lifetime opportunity for this 59 year old too. Thanks WiffenPoof for the heartfelt OP. I Never thought I'd see it in my lifetime either.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)this is what I do not understand
Avalon Sparks
(2,565 posts)I agree with everything you said. I feel the same. I want it so bad, Bernies vision realized, this country needs it so much, that it's breaking my heart to think we might miss this chance.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The states Governors-local were brutal with the protesters, the authorities knew that would scare people off. Works in all countries like that to quash actual descent. We needed the Federal Gov. to help and they weren't there. There has to be someway to use social media to pressure Congress and the Senate members in a more organized way.
I'm going to vote in the general election and I'll never vote R. But this primary my small donations go to Senator Sanders only, and I'll give him my primary vote too.
Mrs. Clinton should take heed now that almost half of voters aren't giving her their primary votes. She's a great diplomat but shouldn't treat half the American people using her 'diplomatic speak'.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)and I am right there with you.. I don't hate/dislike Clinton and/or her supporters - I get it, it's hard to break from the norm..