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Meet Hillary's Religious Leader, Rightwingnut Doug Coe>>> (Stephanie DU March 14, 2008)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5071798
Let's discuss faith in the context of the 2016 campaign, after you've reviewed/analyzed Stephanie's reposted thread.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)H2O Man
(73,552 posts)This should be equally offensive to everyone here -- no matter if they support Hillary or Bernie, nor if they subscribe to any religious/ spiritual belief syatem, or not.
Thank you for posting this. It reinforces my extremely high opinion of you.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)One thing is for sure power and money are a part of religion and politics is a part of money .
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)thank you for this bob
BIG kick and rec
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)going to Churches that are full of these Fellowship types and I've confronted those that follow the New Apostolic Reformation/NAR movement-which includes so many of Hillary's past religious leaders.
New Apostolic Reformation Posts Archive (Right Wing Watch)
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/topics/new-apostolic-reformation
OZi
(155 posts)I have a bad habit of forgetting about The Family and C Street.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."
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When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.
Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family" , a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.
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Coe's friends include former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). Under Coe's guidance, Meese has hosted weekly prayer breakfasts for politicians, businesspeople, and diplomats, and Pitts rose from obscurity to head the House Values Action Team, an off-the-record network of religious right groups and members of Congress created by Tom DeLay. The corresponding Senate Values Action Team is guided by another Coe protégé, Brownback, who also claims to have recruited King Abdullah of Jordan into a regular study of Jesus' teachings.
The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by Godleaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillary...
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)New Apostolic Reformation Posts Archive (Right Wing Watch) They think God has chosen them to bring about Armageddon, for real!
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/topics/new-apostolic-reformation
DhhD
(4,695 posts)over the Seven Mountains of Earthly beings, is the throne they seek. Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann have all described themselves as being told by God that they were to become President of the United States.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)ecumenical for a fact.
Zira
(1,054 posts)The link said page doesn't exist.
I want to share it with the CommonDreams forum.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Zira
(1,054 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Zira
(1,054 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It's a great resource.
Oh and welcome to DU!
Zira
(1,054 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Ever since 1993 she's been this way?
This is really bad.
amborin
(16,631 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)it's another tool in their box in their quest for power.Being forgiven for
anything bad you do,sure can come in handy,if caught.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Fath has been discussed less in this primary than any I remember in the past. Ignoring the "he reminds me of another carpenter" posts.
I have nothing against faith, but that gets a thumbs up from me.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Hillary Clinton showed up for church today. Will faith help or hurt her on the campaign? (Daniel Silliman September 13, 2015 WP)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/09/13/hillary-clinton-showed-up-for-church-today-will-faith-help-or-hurt-her-on-the-campaign
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I'm saying it's being projected to the public less this primary.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I have not seen them promoting this as aggressively as in the past. Even '08.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That seems pretty obvious, and it explains why she can't relate to Millennials, among other things.
Her overpaid beltway advisers, completely out of touch with the 21st century, are telling her to do things like go after "values voters" and "soccer moms", because that's what they thought they had to do in 1996.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)and seeing something slimy. I'm not criticizing, I'm sure you understand what I mean. Every time a new revelation about this woman's politics is exposed, it's always something that is breathtakingly alarming and ethically disconcerting.
Thanks again for another important post.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)New Apostolic Reformation (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)It is entirely disingenuous of them to say they are not interested in theocratic government since that is at the core of the K street mission. That said, the Family has no intention of changing the structure of our governing system, just it's outcomes. Make no mistake however: the Family indoctrinates it's chosen to believe absolutely in their hearts that they have been chosen by God to rule and thus are entirely outside the laws, both of man and God, as they pursue their rightful place ruling this country. Hillary Clinton is a Family "Chosen One".
Personal note: I was recruited in 1967 to train as a non-denominational minister. I was made aware of this "Grand Vision from God" back then. I have been fighting against it ever since.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)and highly dangerous because they desire to bring about their false Armageddon with their false Family of God Chosen Ones.
There certainly was pure evil involved in the many "missions" of The Family, particularly in the 60's.
Jim Palosaari
https://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Jim_Palosaari
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)can't ever trust her........ SHe IS the 1%
Clinton has championed federal funding of faith-based social services, which she embraced years before George W. Bush did; Marci Hamilton, author of God vs. the Gavel, says that the Clintons' approach to faith-based initiatives "set the stage for Bush." Clinton has also long supported the Defense of Marriage Act, a measure that has become a purity test for any candidate wishing to avoid war with the Christian right.
Plus this..........
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)Wow, did not know about this whole Faith-Based-Breakfast-club thing.
And the sex-segregated housing, etc.
I know a gal who's Dad is in the Masons. She has mentioned about how certain activities are done as women-only and men-only.
So, is the religious group in DC along the lines of a political Masons?
And it seems to be very republican/conservative-heavy.
I don't care what Hillary's faith is.
But this 'secret society' heavily-laden with religion does give me pause when it sounds like a lot of alliances are built here that can later 'inform' policy both foreign and domestic.
In other words, are they making all kinds of decisions in these breakfast meetings that will effect the direction we take in this country? Is it possible these alliances have been influencing our shift, as a Nation, to the right?
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)She consorts with a homophobe. Praise Nancy!
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)and Bush
HughLefty1
(231 posts)Kissinger, Bush, Clintons..they have all been initiated. They will fight like hell to keep outsiders from winning.
There is alot of information available online, even on youtube if you are willing to do a little research.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)of the articles of my Christian faith. I try to speak against liars even when they seem overwhelming and are using psy-ops 24/7.
Keep the faith, people.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Along with controlling the message, hierarchical religion is a central element for the control of the many by the few.
As we run up to more war for profit, some things to remember from almost 12 years ago:
Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception
Many neoconservatives like Paul Wolfowitz are disciples of a philosopher who believed that the elite should use deception, religious fervor and perpetual war to control the ignorant masses.
By Jim Lobe / AlterNet May 18, 2003
What would you do if you wanted to topple Saddam Hussein, but your intelligence agencies couldn't find the evidence to justify a war?
A follower of Leo Strauss may just hire the "right" kind of men to get the job done people with the intellect, acuity, and, if necessary, the political commitment, polemical skills, and, above all, the imagination to find the evidence that career intelligence officers could not detect.
The "right" man for Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, suggests Seymour Hersh in his recent New Yorker article entitled 'Selective Intelligence,' was Abram Shulsky, director of the Office of Special Plans (OSP) an agency created specifically to find the evidence of WMDs and/or links with Al Qaeda, piece it together, and clinch the case for the invasion of Iraq.
Like Wolfowitz, Shulsky is a student of an obscure German Jewish political philosopher named Leo Strauss who arrived in the United States in 1938. Strauss taught at several major universities, including Wolfowitz and Shulsky's alma mater, the University of Chicago, before his death in 1973.
Strauss is a popular figure among the neoconservatives. Adherents of his ideas include prominent figures both within and outside the administration. They include 'Weekly Standard' editor William Kristol; his father and indeed the godfather of the neoconservative movement, Irving Kristol; the new Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, Stephen Cambone, a number of senior fellows at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) (home to former Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle and Lynne Cheney), and Gary Schmitt, the director of the influential Project for the New American Century (PNAC), which is chaired by Kristol the Younger.
Strauss' philosophy is hardly incidental to the strategy and mindset adopted by these men as is obvious in Shulsky's 1999 essay titled "Leo Strauss and the World of Intelligence (By Which We Do Not Mean Nous)" (in Greek philosophy the term nous denotes the highest form of rationality). As Hersh notes in his article, Shulsky and his co-author Schmitt "criticize America's intelligence community for its failure to appreciate the duplicitous nature of the regimes it deals with, its susceptibility to social-science notions of proof, and its inability to cope with deliberate concealment." They argued that Strauss's idea of hidden meaning, "alerts one to the possibility that political life may be closely linked to deception. Indeed, it suggests that deception is the norm in political life, and the hope, to say nothing of the expectation, of establishing a politics that can dispense with it is the exception."
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http://www.alternet.org/story/15935/leo_strauss%27_philosophy_of_deception
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Armstead
(47,803 posts)Used to be the talk of DU
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)The Republican candidates' unctious invocations are making me ill.
I would love to believe that the relatively dull roar of the Jayzus really does promise a general election continuing less of that variety of bullshit...but they even got Trump into a church photo op, didn't they? Bet he was disappointed when God didn't appear and start worshipping him.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)tomatoes for all I care, so long as she doesn't require me to worship tomatoes. I've seen nothing from her that would lead me to believe that faith has any impact on her governing.
I felt the same way back in '08 when the righties tried to fry Obama with Rev. Wright.
Faith is personal. As long as they keep it that way, we're all cool. It's when they try and make it a group thing that I have issues, ie the right wing.
I can't wait till we never ask what faith our candidates are. I don't rightly care.
Zira
(1,054 posts)than her actual faith - which is likely very fundy because of who else is there.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I have even seen confirmed, non theist, Bill Maher, concede that a belief in God can have a transformational effect on a person's life.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)The most gorgeous sound I have ever heard.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)It's considered a virtue to believe in unfounded, ridiculous, fact-less, evidence-less supernatural phenomena that originated from primitive, isolated, desert-dwelling peoples. Meanwhile science and reason and rational thought are smeared as snobby and only for those uppity intellectuals.
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." Mark Twain
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)Religiously, I mean? I had just always assumed she did the God/person-of-faith talk because, well, that's part of the politics of her generation, and you just kind of had to do that to be eligible to play the game. Heck, even Bernie does it (and while I acknowledge he has "spiritual beliefs" in the form of a real and deeply-held morality, let's be real--the guy is not "religious" in any traditional sense of the word).
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)especially in the context of Judeo/Christianity, as I understand the Divine condemnation of those whose riches were criminally gained and kept to themselves.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Make clear what it is about. No motivation to click otherwise. (I only did because I know your screenname and like your posts!)
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Led by these folks that have made inroads influencing lots of people, as noted upthread
New Apostolic Reformation/NAR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)IMO, I don't think it's just Cruz he's referring to.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)The elite's evil "tithes" sometimes resemble "selling indulgences" and a complex quid pro quo. Ask Mary Jo White if she's on your speed dial.
Bill Clinton pardon controversy (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy
Zira
(1,054 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Zira
(1,054 posts)She seems like she's for them but I will have to google her and see how she actually votes
Zira
(1,054 posts)"Which is what makes it so notable that Hillary Clinton who, despite a strong record of supporting reproductive rights, has not always spoken about them with righteous vigor (her 2005 discussion of abortion as a sad, tragic choice for many enraged many activists) has decided to publicly do battle against Hyde. Even more important, she is explaining her stance in terms that offer a crucial and long-awaited corrective to the course of the abortion debate in America.
In the days after being formally endorsed by both Planned Parenthood and NARAL last week, Clinton brought up Hyde at a rally, describing it as a law that [makes] it harder for low-income women to exercise their full rights. A few days later, when asked by Alicia Menendez at the Iowa Brown & Black Presidential Forum whether she would support a congressional effort to repeal Hyde, she answered yes unequivocally and described reproductive rights as a fundamental human right.
She started fighting this Hyde law decades after it passed - just now... since she's been campaigning for women's votes.
"But as too few people seemed to have noticed, Hillary Clinton has spent the past ten days campaigning vocally and without apology against the Hyde Amendment. Hyde, a legislative rider first passed in 1976 and added to appropriations bills every year since, prohibits the use of federal funds to pay for abortion, which means that the low-income women, many of them women of color, who rely on Medicaid for health insurance cannot use their insurance to terminate their pregnancies except in cases of rape, incest, or their life being in danger.
It is a discriminatory law that perpetuates both economic and racial inequality. And the notion of repealing it has remained a third rail in American politics until about five minutes ago or, more precisely, until this summer, when California representative Barbara Lee introduced the EACH Woman Act, which would effectively repeal Hyde. So far, the bill has 109 co-sponsors but a vanishingly small chance of going anywhere"
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)KPN
(15,646 posts)Hillary Group?
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Hillary's or any other candidate's religion could be regarding the end times theories and Israel. What do they believe about this expected event? Are they basing their political actions in regard to Israel on their personal religious beliefs?
I think we have a great many religious politicians that are end times believers and/or worse. They believe they should be setting Israel up for the end times. And they vote that way.
So when I go to the polls to vote I want to know that she and the Family are not doing this. Many of her decisions as SOS seem to lean that way: Syria, Libya, Iraq, Iran ....
I would not vote for a president who like Cruz is going to use his religion to determine his policies in the ME.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)but without dogma/control from cults like the K street Family.
"Hillary Clinton: The Bible is 'the biggest influence on my thinking'" (Ben Johnson 2014 citing NYT book review)
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/hillary-clinton-the-bible-is-the-biggest-influence-on-my-thinking
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)with The Fellowship?
Surely, someone has interviewed her about this at some point. Or she has written about it somewhere.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)guest post by myrna the minx
EXCERPT
Nevada's junior Senator, John Ensign, has a reputation for looking good and ingratiating himself to corporate America, particularly to telecommunications giants like AT&T that help the government spy on American citizens. Nevada bloggers like the Las Vegas Gleaner, the Desert Beacon, and even the usually single-minded Nevada Scandalmonger at Vote Gibbons Out have been diligently documenting Ensign's tendency to choose the interests of corporations over consumers for years. With just about every vote he makes or position he takes, Ensign has proved that he is no friend of the real working men and women of this country. Usually operating under the radar while his more famous and influential conservative colleagues do the work of rolling back support for preventative health care, education, civil rights, and the environment, with the stem cell research debate, Ensign has been pushed into the spotlight. But hey, he likes kittens. Ensign's latest move was to be one of the 37 Senators to vote against HR 810, legislation that would have allowed federal funding for research on stem cell lines derived from embryos that would otherwise be destroyed, and one of the few pieces of legislation in a long time to have strong bi-partisan support. In state known for its strong libertarian streak, Ensign has exhibited no backbone whatsoever. He's made a career out of being a Bush lackey.
Since assuming his seat, Ensign has voted with Bush 96% of the time. He even managed a perfect score in 2004. Was his vote against HR 810 a surprise? Of course not. But any cursory look at Ensign's background brings up some pretty interesting associations with groups front and center in the culture ware between those who think Christian ideology should play a central role in governmentgroups on the far right like the Promise Keepers, the Christian Coalition, the Family Research Council, and the Fellowship.
Ensign's constituents are barely aware of how he votes on the issuesthey're either bamboozled by his game show host good looks or deceived by ring general Harry Reid's protective order. But you've never heard of the Fellowship have you? That, my friends, is completely by design. You're probably familiar with the National Prayer breakfast they sponsor once a year and attended by the President and other influential people, but the rest of their operation is a mystery to us lay folks who don't see a place for religion in politics. When its members are asked about the Fellowship, they either deny its existence or decline to answer questions. In 2002, The Los Angeles Times published an article called "Showing Faith in Discretion" by Lisa Getter, that gives us an inside glimpse into this secretive group:
"The Fellowship is a collection of public officials, business leaders and religious ministries that defies easy description. Sometimes known as the prayer group movement, its members espouse a common devotion to the teachings of Jesus and a belief that peace and justice can come about through quiet efforts to change individuals, particularly those in positions of power. Personal outreach is paramount. .They also share a vow of silence about Fellowship activities."
SNIP
Clearly we can forget about the separation of church and state here. Although the Fellowship maintains its rule of working in silence is purely a religious insistence on humility, its pretty clear they remain silence to prevent the public from learning about influence they have and how they use it. I was unable to confirm whether this is still the case, but in 2002, who do you think was living in a house owned by the Fellowship on Capital Hill that just happens to be registered as a church? Why, our own Senator Ensign along with fellow soldiers of the culture war Sam Brownback and Tom Coburn (who proposed the death penalty for doctors who performed abortions, which I guess means he also believes in suicide since he has been exposed as a doctor who performed abortions). Reportedly, Tom Delay is another famous member. According to Jeff Sharlet in the January 2006 article for Rolling Stone magazine, Brownback was brought into the Fellowship fold by Frank Carlson, a former Republican senator from Kansas. Sharlet points out that at a 1955 meeting of the Fellowship, Carlson declared the group's mission to be "'Worldwide Spiritual Offensive,' a vision of manly Christianity dedicated to the expansion of American power as a means of spreading the gospel." No church and state conflict there. More on the Fellowship's god peddling from Jeff Sharlet for Rolling Stone:
"They were striving, ultimately, for what Coe calls 'Jesus plus nothing' -- a government led by Christ's will alone. In the future envisioned by Coe, everything -- sex and taxes, war and the price of oil -- will be decided upon not according to democracy or the church or even Scripture. The Bible itself is for the masses; in the Fellowship, Christ reveals a higher set of commands to the anointed few. It's a good old boy's club blessed by God. Brownback even lived with other cell members in a million-dollar, red-brick former convent at 133 C Street that was subsidized and operated by the Fellowship. Monthly rent was $600 per man -- enough of a deal by Hill standards that some said it bordered on an ethical violation, but no charges were ever brought. Brownback and Ensign also lived with Fellowship brother Sen. Tom Coburn, an Oklahoma doctor who has advocated the death penalty for abortion providers. The men in Brownback's cell talk about politics, but the senator insists it's not political. 'It's about faith and action,' he says. According to 'Thoughts on a Core Group,' the primary purpose of the cell is to become an 'invisible "believing" group.' Any action the cell takes is an outgrowth of belief, a natural extension of 'agreements reached in faith and in prayer.' Deals emerge not from a smoke-filled room but from a prayer-filled room. 'Typically,' says Brownback, 'one person grows desirous of pursuing an action' -- a piece of legislation, a diplomatic strategy -- 'and the others pull in behind.' In 1999, Brownback worked with Rep. Joe Pitts, a Fellowship brother, to pass the Silk Road Strategy Act, designed to block the growth of Islam in Central Asian nations by bribing them with lucrative trade deals. That same year, he teamed up with two Fellowship associates -- former Sen. Don Nickles and the late Sen. Strom Thurmond -- to demand a criminal investigation of a liberal group called Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Last year, several Fellowship brothers, including Sen. John Ensign, another resident of the C Street house, supported Brownback's broadcast decency bill. And Pitts and Coburn joined Brownback in stumping for the Houses of Worship Act to allow tax-free churches to endorse candidates. The most bluntly theocratic effort, however, is the Constitution Restoration Act, which Brownback co-sponsored with Jim DeMint, another former C Streeter who was then a congressman from South Carolina. If passed, it will strip the Supreme Court of the ability to even hear cases in which citizens protest faith-based abuses of power. Say the mayor of your town decides to declare Jesus lord and fire anyone who refuses to do so; or the principal of your local high school decides to read a fundamentalist prayer over the PA every morning; or the president declares the United States a Christian nation. Under the Constitution Restoration Act, that'll all be just fine."
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http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Octafish/130
OP link kaput: Know your BFEE: The Fellowship Preys for America
Original source link is kaput: http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=24283
These nutjobs broke an Ark load of Commandments to boost Ensign over Jack Carter, president Carter's son in 2006.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)As top diplomat, Clinton found time to nurture supporters like Soros and Spielberg" (Issac Arnsdorf January 6, 2016 Politico)
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/clinton-emails-fundraising-soros-spielberg-216535
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics
#shesorightwing
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)And do the Fellowship members attend sex-segregated Bible study sessions?
Was Hillary going to the same Bible study sessions as the men, or was she going to different sessions?
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)That's all I get-also apparently male dominant, dynastic/nepotistic, most of all a SECRETIVE CULT.
Buzz cook
(2,472 posts)I remember this one from 2008. It gets knocked down but gets back up again. Brave little zombie.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Buzz cook
(2,472 posts)A critical reading of the MJ article finds innuendo is the main ingredient. If you haven't read the article then perhaps you should.
Avalon Sparks
(2,565 posts)Is she headed right on social issues too?
Avalon Sparks
(2,565 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)This is from the 2007 Jeff Sharlet and Kathryn Joyce Mother Jones article:
Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family" , a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)So, does that mean she completely gave up the gender-segregated Bible study sessions and only attended the mixed-gender prayer breakfasts? And were the prayer breakfasts more about policy than Biblical teachings?
Beacool
(30,249 posts)What a bore. Hillary is a person of faith and has been so all her life. She has several religious people that she consults with regularly. There are plenty of people in the Democratic party who attend church and rely on their faith.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Where'd she go?
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)demmiblue
(36,855 posts)Interesting to see who had a problem with it back in the day, but don't seem to have a problem with it now.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)some Bernie fan has dragged out this tired old lie.
You guys really are desperate.