Hillary Clinton, "Super Predators," "A Poor Choice of Words..."

[CorporatistNation]

In response to question from Chuck Todd just now on Meet The Press Daily relating to the protest by a young Black Lives Matter Activist at a private fundraiser for Hillary Clinton yesterday....

This is the response from the candidate who if nothing else...

Chooses her words carefully in nearly every circumstance...

THIS is best she could come up with? Is attributing her past statement referring to young blacks merely being...

"A poor choice of words..."good enough? Is Hillary getting ... another pass on this?

[msongs]

1. choosing your words is now a crime unless bernie sanders does it lol nt

[libdem4life]

4. Where did that come from? Knee jerk? Crime? Overreact much?

[CorporatistNation]

2. Hillary Rarely "Mis-Speaks" Accidentally..

She was speaking very carefully in attempting to paint a specific picture at the time she made the comment.

[Merryland]

3. pretty pathetic answer. I think she feels above "apologizing" - that's for peons

[BernieforPres2016]

11. How hard would it have been

For Hillary to look that young woman in the eye and say "It was a terrible choice of words on my part. It doesn't reflect who I am. I don't believe in those words and am embarrassed that I said them. I hope you and others who were hurt and offended will accept my apology. Now let me give you a chance to speak and ask a question or two."

Isn't that what a normal human being would do? Wouldn't that make the issue go away, or at least die down? The first Clinton reaction is always to go on offense, even when they are dead wrong. When Bill Clinton was finally painted into the corner on the Lewinsky scandal and was forced to admit that he had "an inappropriate relationship" with her, there was barely an apology there. He turned defiant and said that his "private life" was the business of him and his family. Then he had to do another apology a few days later at a prayer breakfast and say that he hadn't shown genuine contrition the first time.

The impression the Clintons have always given to me is that they're never really sorry that they did or said something, they're sorry when they get caught or it didn't work out and harmed their reputations. I don't think either Hillary or Bill have any real empathy for others. Sorry if that offends anybody, but that's what I believe after 25 years of observing them.

[CorporatistNation]

22. Well Said... Only The Least Insightful Among Us Could Possibly Disagree With Your Point

[thereismore]

30. Exactly exactly exactly! Well said. nt

[azmom]

33. She has no empathy or compassion. I guess that

Makes her the real superpredator.

[Carolina]

39. Excellent and true... she

goes on the offense and becomes OFFENSIVE. She bristles when challenged because she is so entitled.

BTW, her words back then were carefully measured and earnestly delivered. She meant what she said. She's only apologizing now because those words have come back to bite her and her POTUS aspirations. Problem is, this is only one snippet. There are tons out there ready for trolling and use by repuke operatives at every turn. In the general election campaign, she will constantly be on the defense and coming across offensively. Not to mention, completely untrustworthy.

And she will lose

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

42. It's not hard, cept for Hillary.

[libdem4life]

5. I want to hear the explanation of "bringing them to heel",speaking of carefully worded responses.n/t

[PoliticAverse]

36. "bringing them to heel" seems to be the much more insulting phrase...

implying that they're the same as a dog needing to be brought under control by its master.

[CorporatistNation]

46. This Phrase Seems Something One Might Of Heard Voiced In Movies About "The Olde South!"

Think "Tara"

[libdem4life]

47. and it was used toward slaves, as well. n/t

[MuseRider]

6. Poor choice of words?

Jesus Hillary, no person should ever carry a label like that.

[UglyGreed]

7. I find bring them to heel

a very poor choice of words also for anyone or anybody....... Never mind other bad choices like, we came we saw he died........ This is the way she thinks and I find it disturbing to say the least.

[loyalsister]

9. Ashley Williams may have done us a great service

with this exposition...

"She’s had 20 years to respond to my question," Williams said. "And so her inability to do it last night to me is just kind of representative of how she has been absent in terms of racial justice in a meaningful way, in a material way."

In a broader sense it is also representative of how she sees all ordinary people. It is impossible to escape the conclusion that out relevance is determined by her campaign's opinion of useful and deserving we are.

[UglyGreed]

12. Ashley and yourself

have summed it up perfectly

[tk2kewl]

14. Usefulness is much more important than deserving to Clinton

Bernie has a Native American platform and advisor. Do Native Americans represent a constituency that can change the outcome of the election? Probably not. Are the deserving of a major role in a progressive coalition? Absolutely.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511333437

[CorporatistNation]

19. American Indian Advisor... What A Graphic Contrast in Motives Between the Candidates!

Well Done!

[loyalsister]

20. I'm referring to her use of "deserving" in this context

When she was talking about race with BLM activists at a different confrontation....

"We can do a lot to change some hearts and some systems to create more opportunities for people who deserve to have them."

It's a frame that places a value judgement on people depending on whether they "work hard and play by the rules."

[tk2kewl]

27. Got it, thanks

[CorporatistNation]

17. WOW An EXCELLENT AND CONCISE RENDERING OF Just WHAT Defines This Candidate

She ONLY pays attention to those whom she needs/requires at a given point in time to achieve her objective. In other words... people in a given circumstance, locale etc. are merely a "Means to an end for her..." Agreed?

[loyalsister]

26. Exactly

We all understand that there is a degree of exploitation in campaigns. But in this case it comes across as more blatantly self serving and insincere than I have ever seen. It comes across as ruthless.

[BernieforPres2016]

18. Bravo to Ashley

She is obviously a very bright, brave and thoughtful young woman.

[CorporatistNation]

21. My Question To MSNBC and CNN.. When Is Ashley Going To Be Inteviewed?

I will NOT hold my breath!

[BernieforPres2016]

24. Never

Anybody who even thinks about putting her on will be warned they will be the last to get future scoops and access.

[thereismore]

28. you bring dogs to heel. Bad association when this language is used for people. nt

[Barack_America]

31. Those are words you don't choose unless you mean them.

You cannot "accidentally" liken human beings to animals.

[UglyGreed]

41. Exactly my point

I would never use such a phrase while referencing any human being. Let me add I would not even think to use that phrase while training my dogs who are a part of my family. I feel it would be used with livestock which is considered property or something. SMH!!!!

[cui bono]

8. Not Good Enough, Hillary!

[Wilms]

10. That needs a hashtag. n/t

[cui bono]

13. With your post count you must know where that is from, no? n/t

[Wilms]

15. :blush:

I don't. Where is it from? 2008?

On edit---

Oh. OK. These women said it. The same ones who lined up behind Kissinger and Albright.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511160369

[cui bono]

16. If you can stomach it...

might want some alka-seltzer handy:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737025

.

[Wilms]

23. Oh. Code Pink had called Hillary out before.

In 2007 over the Iraq vote.

[cui bono]

25. Did you see the OP?

I was going to pm it to you and edited my post to include it. I would say it's in top 3 most vile OPs in the history of DU.

.

[Wilms]

35. That was pretty bad.

Consider the poster.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. I heard the interview and it was... what is the right word?

awkward,

Another point, it was over the phone. MSNBC has a reporter as part of the gagle, Why didn't they do a remote, worst case with an IPHONE over periscope?

[libtodeath]

32. She knew exactly what she was doing and saying.

[iemitsu]

34. Not from me.

[azmom]

37. She needs to go on one long apology tour.

Latinos are waiting.

[TM99]

38. Clinton never misspoke.

She meant exactly what she said, all of it. The Clintons and the Gores bought into the super-predator myth. They brought Third Way public policy, criminal justice reform, and hell even censorship of 'dirty lyrics' into their administration. They pushed and lobbied for these 'reforms' that would protect us from these predominantly minority children. It was a racist lie then. It remains a racist lie today.

I was deeply involved in this professionally in the 1990's. I might write an OP about what really was going on and why.

[Carolina]

40. Please do write an OP!!!

I will be out working for Bernie here in SC and I can always use more talking points

[libtodeath]

43. Please write that OP

[Barack_America]

44. 2nd. Please write that OP.

This is a very important topic right now.

[TM99]

45. OK, ya'll.

I will work on it and have something up within the hour.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. When you do let me know

I always like to learn more on these issues.

[TM99]

51. Hopefully I will have time tonight.

If not, I will post it early tomorrow. This topic is going to be fresh for quite a few days I do believe.

[cui bono]

53. Look forward to your OP!

[TM99]

54. I just posted it.

I am off to a late dinner, some time with my SO, and early bed for a medical appointment, so I may not get to respond much in that thread until tomorrow. Please pass the word, thanks.

[cui bono]

55. You're gonna make me work for it?

I'll find it...

.

[TM99]

56. Sorry!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511341383

[cui bono]

57. Thanks! =) n/t

[EdwardBernays]

48. Another complete Clinton lie

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511339737

Clinton knew exactly what she was saying... she'd had dinner with the originator of the term - which was extremely well defined in the media for months and months before she spoke - the previous summer. The week before she said it this same guy wrote, in a nationally publicized article, that America would have to lock up 150,000 youth super-predators...

there's ZERO chance she misspoke.

[840high]

52. Thanks.

[AzDar]

49. "Now Let's Get Back To The Issues"-- HRC. THAT says it all...