Can anyone defend and promote the Third Way/New Dem/corporatist agenda?

[tokenlib]

Reality is that many of us don't believe the progressive words and tilting to the left that Hillary is attempting. Many of us believe she will support the Third Way/Wall Street/ corporate interests, just as the Clintons have since they reached the White House. To unify the party and get everyone in line behind Hillary, you would need to defend and sell the free trade, Wall Street and corporate friendly polices that most of us fell the Clintons truly represent. Tell me why we should support free trade, convince me that the refugees of the new service sector economy, can find enough living wage jobs to survive. Sell me on Third Way means testing and entitlement "reform." Defend for-profit prisons and welfare reform... Defend a TPP altered to Hillary's liking, to those of us who feel it is time to force the corporations to bring the good jobs back home. Go ahead....try..

Honestly,to get everyone in line you would need to sell what most of us progressive Bernie supporters see to be Hillary's REAL agenda. I don't think you can do it. And if you can't sell the Third Way pile of shit to us (after our experience of its bitter taste for nearly three decades now)...how the hell are you going to sell it to the country?

[libtodeath]

1. Hillary supporters here attack FDR and his New Deal policies here

while also defending her dog whistles.
It is disgusting.

[CorporatistNation]

2. Here Is What Is Being Promoted When You Talk "CORPORATISM!" FASCISM Synonomous With

CORPORATISM!

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
5-28-3

http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

[hifiguy]

3. No one with a conscience can.

It's the same old somewhat rebadged Reaganomics we have been saddled with for the last 35 years, which neither Clinton, B. nor Obama did anything to undo. Keep force-feeding the pigs at the top and the other 99% will magically see their lot improve. Anyone who still believes this shit is beyond redemption or sanity. HRH in the WH would mark the tenth straight presidential term of Reaganomics.

And they say we Sanders supporters want unicorns.

[tk2kewl]

4. The 3rd way will kiss you first, republicans won't

[farleftlib]

12. Be careful, VulgarPoet

I got a hide for saying almost that exact same thing last week. Careful, VP.

The one judge said "Rape jokes are not amusing. Hide it." One other made a similar comment and the other two said nothing.

[VulgarPoet]

13. Good point, although they'd have to stretch FAR for that kind of of definition to fly.

Can't place doubt in the Corporatist Spin Machine though, you're right.

[HooptieWagon]

5. Good luck.

They avoid defending Clinton's neo-liberal economics like the plague....although a couple of them who claimed to make several hundred thousand dollars a year were whining about paying more taxes if Sanders was elected.

[farleftlib]

6. I can't wait, tokenlib

for the responses to this. There is one thing I would just like to interject, if you don't mind. TPP and other so-called trade agreements are not about free trade, any more than the Clean Air act was about protecting human health and the environment. They use these benign terms as camouflage for their real agenda. K &R

Once More: The TPP Agreement Is Not A Free Trade Agreement, It's A Protectionist Anti-Free Trade Agreement

We've pointed out a few times in the past that while everyone refers to the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement as a "free trade" agreement, the reality is that there's very little in there that's actually about free trade. If it were truly a free trade agreement, then there would be plenty of reasons to support it. But the details show it's not, and yet, time and time again, we see people supporting the TPP because "well, free trade is good." The Washington Post, for example, pushed out a ridiculous editorial arguing that the TPP is cause for celebration because it will "slash tariffs and harmonize regulatory regimes."

But it's that "harmonizing regulatory regimes" thing where the real nastiness lies, and where you quickly discover that most of the key factors in the TPP are not at all about free trade, but the opposite. It's about as protectionist as can be. That's mainly because of the really nasty corprorate sovereignty clauses in the agreement (which are officially called "investor state dispute settlement" or ISDS in an attempt to make it sound so boring you'll stop paying attention). Those clauses basically allow large incumbents to force the laws of countries to change to their will.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151007/18053032475/once-more-tpp-agreement-is-not-free-trade-agreement-protectionist-anti-free-trade-agreement.shtml

[hifiguy]

7. They will, for the most part, avoid this thread as if it were a plague rat

except possibly for a few of the more devout TPP pimps.

[farleftlib]

8. Is what I hear

the sound of crickets? Where are all the Hillary supporters who claim she has such a faaaaaabulous agenda the American people are going to rush to embrace casting aside all others?

[delrem]

10. no

[Shandris]

11. Absolutely.

"I realize that many of you are against some of the policies of our global corporatist stance, and that's okay, you simply don't understand the Big Picture. However, these policies are what are currently angering the electorate, you see, so it is crucial that we implement as many more of them as humanly possible in as short a time as possible.

Because how else will we convince the American public that the best answer to further corporatization is a handful of bankers, catapult, a wall, and halftime of Monday Night Football?"