2016 Postmortem
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From the various threads on low Dem voter turnout and registration, I thought Bernie's revolution would pull that secret super 'progressive' majority out of the shadows! You mean they - and the much coveted yet rarely meaningful youth vote - need to have their hands held by Hillary and DWS? And it's now DWS's job to court and register them to vote?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Hoooookay. The looking glass just gets curiouser and curiouser
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)But, all those big rallies. I guess Bernie's staff didn't have time to register voters.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)A couple of millennials figured out what "single payer" meant. They were just devastated when they realized that they would actually have to pay for insurance because single payer means paying for something.
ihaveaquestion
(2,547 posts)Personally, I've noticed that some of the pre-millennial crowd don't really empathize well with those younger than themselves. It's sad, really.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Not only do we get along with them, we get along with their friends.
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Downwinder
(12,869 posts)they leave.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... the pieces are not falling into place for Bernie. Time is running out. Tick-tock.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Hillary can't win the general.
This time, please don't blame the liberal wing. It will be all on you guys who couldn't see that Americans want the establishment out.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)I don't want Trump as my president!
one_voice
(20,043 posts)Democratic nominee.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)ihaveaquestion
(2,547 posts)Sounds just like repugs talking about 'libruls'.
You forget that Progressives are the heart of the Democratic party.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Do progressives get to say things without those words being scrutinized?
Lol
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Response to ihaveaquestion (Reply #6)
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)To put it mildly. I was certainly hoping he would energize the kids -- and guess what? We still don't know that he hasn't. If more are paying attention, they'll see the GOP candidates prove why it is important to vote AGAINST them.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)From either party.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)How's that gonna work out?
Turn out is low in the primaries but if he doesn't get the nom, it drops further? Sounds like you're blaming him for the low turnout.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Turnout is low with him in, and you're saying it will be lower without him. Seems Bernie is the common denominator
morningfog
(18,115 posts)And there been a lot of stupid shit this week. You attempted point makes no fucking sense.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)You have a candidate whose message is resonating with a LOT of people. Bringing new people in. Even if its not enough at this point to overcome the Clintonian Stranglehold on the Democrat machinery, it's a hell of a lot.
But you dismiss, ignore, insult them and squash their enthusiasm, and you lose at least a significant number.
Meanwhile on the otehr side you have a guy who IS generating new excitement in the GOP and shaking them up. Bringing in new people, The GOP Establishment hates it, but they'll be smart enough to embrace it if he keeps going.
Result: Likely shortfall of Clinton voters in November.
This is a wonderful strategy to tell a whole lot of potential emerging Democrats that you don't want them,and they don't matter.
Keep it up. Donald and the GOP thank you.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)the voters out and build the coalition. If Hillary wants the voter, she needs to convince them to support her. Same goes for Bernie. And same goes in the primary and the general.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)And why are 'progressives' blaming DWS?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)He got more votes than Obama did in the only state decided by popular vote.
As for DWS and the DNC, they are pretty useless. They should be supporting turnout and working to make it higher. Hopefully they will become more effective by the General.
Fla Dem
(23,693 posts)turnout, as opposed to the larger rally turnout. Only one matters.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)I anticipate HIllary will lead on one, but not the other.
Unfortunately, it is almost certain that Bernie will trail by a small percentage in the pledged count. But by then only about 25% of the pledged delegates will have been allocated. In short,it will still be competitive.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Can't wait! That's gonna be uninspiring! Ginna further ennervate and discourage the electorate. Just what the New Democrat Party seems to want. Yahoo!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I think there is a memorial site on reddit for the bereaved.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)"Bernie Sanders Won the Most Votes Ever in a New Hampshire Presidential Primary"
Iowa had a very shady caucus
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/iowa-party-boss-holding-onto-contested-vote-totals-drives-car-with-the-license-plate-hrc-2016/
Iowa party boss holding onto contested vote totals drives car with the license plate HRC 2016"
AND Nevada had another caucus that was full.of issues including workers having to leave before voting after waiting in line for hours, we don't really have the final word on turnout.
LAS VEGAS When people went out to caucus in Nevada on Saturday it was a messy display of democracy long lines, computer problems, reports of voters who were turned away, and even misidentified registration information were reported to ATTN: and other media organizations, including the Reno Gazette-Journal and The Hill. At one location, voting came down to the gambling state's bizarre luck of the draw system.
SOME PEOPLE HAD TO WAIT HOURS TO CAUCUS IN NEVADA.
Caucus day in Las Vegas is confusing, considering that there are hundreds of tourists from all over the world who aren't there to participate in U.S. politics on the state level. But what's most notable, to any reporter or anyone who lives in Nevada who participated in the Democratic presidential caucus, is that there was massive confusion and voters who spent several hours of their time at multiple locations across the state waiting to cast their ballot. At several casinos and retail locations in Las Vegas, workers told ATTN: that they couldn't caucus because they couldn't take the day off of work. Those who did had to rush back to their shifts.
John Daniels, a cook, was visibly annoyed with the long line.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)8+ candidates. So Bernie's numbers were historic, but it was because only he and Hillary split the votes.
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/NH.html