Well I made up my mind.. and its Hillary...

[Peacetrain]

I was and am an all out O'Malley supporter and was one of his precinct captains in Iowa.. and when we lost.. I just thought I would sit on the sidelines, because being an Iowan.. we have no more say in anything.. Its kind of crazy.. we have to put up with everyone for months upon months..but we really have little to no say in anything..being first is just that.. being first.. the states down the line make the choices.

All that being said.. today when the Christie endorsed the Donald, and the two of them went on one of the most childish playground attacks against Rubio and then turned their fire on Clinton, I realized, she is going to be taking the majority of the attacks from the right..

So Hillary, you are not standing alone.. I will stand with you, and when family and friends call and we do discuss politics and what do I think since I have seen them so up and close for such a long time.. I am going to give my opinion, since there are only two left.... Hillary is who I would vote for now if I had the opportunity..

[Attorney in Texas]

1. So are you changing your user name from "peacetrain" to something more hawkish?

[RobertEarl]

2. trainwreck! n/t

[Attorney in Texas]

4. I was thinking "Noflyzonetrain"

[AzDar]

5. Made me lol...

[Beacool]

6. Nope, the winning train.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

7. Why the personal attack? Cant this poster have his or her own opinion? I didnt see

the poster attack Bernie.

But you are attacking the poster, why is that?

[Beacool]

16. Apparently, you're only allowed to march to one drummer on GDP.

[bunnies]

216. Only one drummer is for peace, bea. Nt

[Beacool]

217. I like my drummer.

I don't even consider the other drummer to be a Democrat.

[bunnies]

218. Come on bea.

He's sided with the dems when it mattered. Remember when Lieberman was a D? He was, but he wasn't.

Edit: dems not dens.

[Beacool]

219. I don't dislike Sanders, unlike the vile spewed at the Clintons on this site.

Last edited Sat Feb 27, 2016, 08:32 PM - Edit history (1)

I have no bad feelings about him, but I don't want him as president. I prefer Hillary. If he does manage somehow to win the nomination, I of course would vote for him.

[bunnies]

221. You're my favorite Hillary supporter, bea.

You've never been hateful. And you're always honest and have integrity

[Beacool]

223. Wait a minute, are you the former Dionysus?

No one else ever gave me bankies.

Thank you for this one and for the compliments.

[bunnies]

224. I'm not. But I always admired the relationship...

That you and he had. It's one of my favorite early DU memories.

[Beacool]

227. What became of him?

I haven't seen him on DU for a long time. I miss his messages and bankies.

Thanks again for the lovely bankie.

[bunnies]

229. I've wondered that myself. What happened?

It's weird way that I connect you two together. But I love how people connect. Even on a message board.

[LuvLoogie]

21. Derision from a jilted suitor who can't take no for an answer.

[TM99]

24. Because if they didn't expect or desire comments

they would not have, you know, posted on a fucking political discussion board!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

54. Wait, so a poster makes a positive statement about a politician, does not attack said

politicians opponent, and name calling of that person is good and OK with you?

Says something about things, things I dont want to be associated with.

Where does a Bernie supporter who doesnt want to attack other Democrats go?

[TM99]

65. Lighten up Francis.

Everybody said they were joking. They were not attacking them.

The OP made a post. We are free to comment.

[MADem]

94. Those are attacks, not comments.

The derisive subject line doesn't acquit you well either

[demwing]

72. Just use Ignore, and stay here

Primary season has filled my Ignore list to the brim. I'm sure I'm on many a list myself.

Let the After Party DU deal with itself when the time comes.

[Lazy Daisy]

133. There's comments

then there's making it personal. It was crappy and wrong to make fun of his user name.

Peacetrain - as much as I'm disappointed that you'll be voting for Hillary, it is YOUR vote.

[TM99]

136. Well you might consider the other side for a moment.

A person with the username 'Peacetrain' endorses Clinton a day after Kagan of the PNAC formally endorses her. Clinton is not exactly a 'peace' candidate.

[Lazy Daisy]

166. I think she's the opposite

I'm no fan of Hillary's.

[PonyUp]

9. LOL

[Codeine]

33. that's fucking obnoxious. nt

[RobertEarl]

58. Tell you what is obnoxious

H stating that the poor children of Honduras who came to the US seeking a future away from the war she helped get started, that these poor homeless kids be sent back. And the fact she voted to bomb the kids in Iraq.

But do you write about that? No. That is what is truly obnoxious.

[Codeine]

60. Nothing you said justifies a personal attack on another poster.

peacetrain did nothing. Making snide remarks about her username is juvenile.

[Orrex]

243. From the expert on obnoxious

[berni_mccoy]

204. No more so than Hillary supporters telling a woman to divorce her husband

Because he'll vote for Bernie and then Trump if it's Hillary v. Trump (the husband is a republican)

[Codeine]

205. Agreed. Those are both fucking obnoxious.

Some people's children. . .

[berni_mccoy]

207. Indeed. People in general can be cruel.

Primaries seem to magnify it.

[itsrobert]

127. Wow, what's up with the personal attack?

n/t

[Helen Borg]

142. Train to nowhere!

[Peacetrain]

8. Nope I just happened to like the song

don't get confused by the name.. and this has nothing to do with being hawkish or anything else.. Can't stand the guy who wrote it since he joined in on calling for the death of Salman Rushdie..

[Attorney in Texas]

12. I was just kidding. Nice that you found a candidate you can believe in. Your explanation of your

user name erases my cognitive dissonance.

[Peacetrain]

15. :0)

[MADem]

116. You do know the 'schadenfreude' with regard to the former Cat Stevens?

He took the name Yusuf Islam when he converted. The name means Joseph Peace, in essence, with Joseph/Yusuf meaning God provides or God will increase. So, he's God will increase your peace--and he's fatwahing old Salman?

I couldn't help but notice the dissonance between his fancy Islamic name and that stupid stance of his.

His name--both Cat Stevens AND Yusuf Islam-- is used in the Middle East, particularly but not exclusively among reactionaries, as a joke-y term for a western, pampered, privileged white boy who "goes native" and becomes overly enthusiastic about All Things Muslim.

Remember GW Bush's distant relative, John Walker Lindh? He was a perfect example of a "Yusuf Islam."

It's never a compliment.

Brought to you by the Ministry for Useless Information!

[whatchamacallit]

25. Pieces Train

[Pisces]

31. Troll alert!! Peacetrain has been here a lot longer than you.

[lunamagica]

45. That was completely uncalled for.

[Buzz Clik]

46. You do know that Sanders has NOT taken a stance of peace.

You know that, right?

[MrChuck]

89. Believe what you want

No fly zone=World war 3

[MADem]

97. F-35, never met a drone he didn't like, voted to fund every war that came up for a vote....

Those are facts, not beliefs.

[Buzz Clik]

197. Do you believe that Bernie can heal the sick by touching them?

[MrChuck]

202. You should be ashamed of yourself

For diminishing these discussions this way.
We support the senator because of his consistency in promoting sound policy.
We criticize the former secretary because she falls short in matters of integrity and judgement.

[Buzz Clik]

203. I'm not. I responded to a silly comment with a silly comment.

BFD.

[MrChuck]

231. I didn't say you WOULD be.

I said you SHOULD be.

[Wibly]

110. simply not true

Sanders has been very clear in his opposition to war, since his youth. He voted against Iraq, and has staunchly criticized both the wars and the military industrial complex.
Claiming otherwise makes you sound like you're not really paying attention, or something worse.

[Buzz Clik]

196. At one time I suspected that a large number of Sanders supporters had no idea who he was.

I was under the impression that they read memes, watched the first thirty seconds of campaign videos, and talked gleefully among themselves about how wonder Bernie is.

Suspicions confirmed.



Do yourself a big, big favor and get to know your candidate. Google this, and read the first link at feeltheBern.org: "sanders view on defeating isis"

[H2O Man]

57. Peacetrain is among

my best friends. Although we support different candidates, I have nothing but years of respect for my good friend. There is no justification for the insults.

[Peacetrain]

68. Thank You H2O Man

..Well old friend.. You know if Bernie gets the nod, he has my vote and full support.. I thought twice about posting this, and then said.. oh what the heck.. its the weekend.. might as well start it off with a bang..

[Hortensis]

98. I feel the same about supporting either, Peace train,

although I am glad we are fielding a strong and experienced candidate. Although I am farther left, I feel good that she is a moderate liberal who can draw moderates from both sides. We must bring people together, and it does seem it is time. And I am also glad Bernie is here to remind us that there is more we eventually can and should aspire to. Capitalism as practiced is not sustainable and has run us into the ground. The future must bring big changes.

[yardwork]

171. Very well said. I feel the same.

[H2O Man]

124. Oh, you know it .....

for that is what brothers are for.

I am concerned that if Hillary is our nominee, the ugliness between the camps -- because it isn't just on DU:GDP -- will be very damaging. Same for if Bernie gets the nomination.

There are, I know, a group on each side on DU that likes to hurl insults at one another. If they could even keep it limited to themselves, those who favor hostility, that would be upsetting enough for me ....because I tend to like almost everyone on DU, including a few who I currently refuse to speak to. But there is no justification ....no excuse .....for insulting those who simply want to engage in civil discourse.

I wish I could blame this on "trolls." But I see friends engaging in it, too.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

109. +1

We should strive to be a better community (says the guy who hardly posts). Ripping on each other like petty children is not a good look.

[H2O Man]

126. Thank you!

My buddy Rubin taught me to listen closely to those who are usually quiet. He was right.

[George II]

119. Hear, hear. Thank you.

[H2O Man]

125. Thanks, George.

I appreciate that. It upsets me, when I see one good friend insulting another good friend. I've been close with Peacetrain for many years. That doesn't change, simply because we currently support different candidates.

[AgadorSparticus]

238. This is great. So good to see. It reminds me of a microcosm of the media.

You get a whole lot of bad news and every so often a story of goodness and hope. It is nice to see that there are ģood friends on opposite sides of the primaries who can differ and yet still have a civil discourse and remain friends. Kudos, gentlemen for being that beacon of light during these dark primary times. Cheers!

[one_voice]

158. Classy!

Thanks for speaking up!

[noretreatnosurrender]

69. LOL

This is the 2nd thread I've looked at tonight where the first person posting said what I was going to say.

[JI7]

70. Sanders isn't pacifist. He is pretty much with Obama on war issues

[Andy823]

80. Some people need to grow up

It's comments like this that make many here on DU dislike the "radical" Bernie supporters. You should follow the example of the man you support.

[Depaysement]

128. "War is Peace" nt

[tularetom]

135. Well, you opened a can of worms there

I guess you missed the instruction to leave your sense of humor at the door before you dare to post anything less than fawning about certain candidates/supporters.

As our sergeant said about people who can't take a joke...wait, no, I'd better not post that either.

[sheshe2]

169. cruel post

[shenmue]

183. Gee, you take rejection well.

[still_one]

211. real classy there.

[Beacool]

3. Great!!!

Welcome onboard the Hillary train.

[Peacetrain]

14. Beacool..I have a real protective sense

when it comes to the Bullies on the right.. so ugly.. they are unhinged..

[Beacool]

18. Well, there are bullies on the Left too.

Hillary has taken the slings and arrows from both camps for years and she's still standing. She'll be a fine president.

[MADem]

99. I am so sorry you are getting all these ugly, childish comments.

This is probably the most embarrassing thread I've ever seen on DU--and the people who are making the ugly remarks are HUMILIATING themselves.

You don't deserve this treatment.

[NurseJackie]

10. Excellent post and explanation. You struggled with this I know...

... how much you liked O'Malley.

I'll bet you're as eager as I am for this to be settled and over with so that we can start focusing all our energy working to defeat the GOP.

[Peacetrain]

11. NurseJackie, I think the hits from the right are about to get so ugly

she is going to need all the support she can get just to stand up to it.. they are absolutely crazy over there.. off the rails..

[BillZBubb]

13. OK, but please change your name to IraqWarTrain.

If you are going to back a war hawk, you should do so proudly.

[Control-Z]

52. That was just ugly.

I wish you'd delete your insult.

[Codeine]

64. Denial hasn't worked. They're in the Anger phase now. nt

[Control-Z]

180. No kidding.

I can't wait until this ends.

[BillZBubb]

178. The truth hurts and it often isn't pretty.

[Maedhros]

92. Pretty ironic, eh? [n/t]

[shenmue]

184. Oh, bug off.

[artislife]

17. Sorry your first choice didn't get to go further.

He was/is a good man on many issues.


You have always been a poster that I have enjoyed reading.

[Peacetrain]

19. He really is a good man

and I hope he will come back the next time.. I think he will be a great President some day.. It was just not this time.. and I grieved let me tell you.. really grieved.. that was a tough caucus..but we just did not have the votes.. :0

[artislife]

23. It's hard because he just couldn't get traction

It is like creating a great idea and working really hard but no one buys it. And you know that people need it.


Anyway, as a Latina and pretty sensitve how brown people are treated or ignored here, I really was very impressed with him. He showed such humanity.

[Codeine]

44. Wrong year for him. He was just completely overshadowed by Hillary's legacy on one side

and youthful Berniemania on the other. He'll be back, seasoned and ready for the fight. I suspect the day will come that I proudly mark the bubble next to his name in a general election.

[angrychair]

95. I only had 1 major concern

With O'Malley and that was his singular effort to get casino gambling into Maryland to shore up the state budget. I find lotteries and gambling crooked crutches for fixing budget gaps. It is an attempt to avoid the hard conversations that education cost money.
We've had lotteries for a couple of decades now and it hasn't fixed shit with funding public education. We keep adding more gambling and guess what? Still not fixed.
It's just another way to keep a hand in our pocket and make people like Adelson wealthier while they keep adding more gambling and increasing property taxes.

[brer cat]

156. I agree.

He will be back. I'm sorry that many people felt the need to dump on this thread.

[BillyDawg]

20. Welcome

Glad to have you

[DefenseLawyer]

22. You are all about the peace, obviously. n/t

[michaz]

26. I made up my mind and it is Sanders! And not because he will be taking most of the heat...

but because I believe in what he stands for.

[NurseJackie]

76. Nice ... shit on someone's happy thread.

Charming.

[michaz]

93. Hmmm public post isn't it? And I do see other remarks here also in favor of Sanders. n/t

[NurseJackie]

167. Yeah ... everyone else does it. That makes it okay.

Silly me. What was I thinking?

[BillZBubb]

179. That's what Hillary said!

[TM99]

27. So you don't really say why Clinton's

positions and policies are best.

You are basically just saying that you don't want Trump to win. So you think that Clinton can stop Trump (that has thus far not been proven correct by current polls), and you are voting against someone instead of for someone.

No wonder the left and the Democratic Party are in such disarray.

[MoonRiver]

34. Are you in the Democratic Party?

Your post makes that unclear.

[TM99]

42. I am right now to vote for Sanders in the primary.

Then I am going right back to being an independent. If you haven't noticed, there are not enough registered Democrats to win the GE.

Why should it matter anyway. I am on the left in a fucked up two party system.

Your concern is duly noted. Thanks.

[MoonRiver]

199. So, if Bernie doesn't win the primary,

who will you vote for in the general, or will you vote? Thanks in advance.

[TM99]

200. I always vote.

Who I vote for is my business, but I will give you a hint. It won't be a Clinton. I have never voted for one. Why break a good habit now?

[Buzz Clik]

48. I gave up on Bernie when the cloak was removed. He's just another politician.

Promise, promise, promise. What you'd expect from a career politician.

[TM99]

63. Yeah, I am sure you were for Sanders.

[gcomeau]

67. And exactly when where and how did this cloak removal occur?

[FrenchieCat]

193. Hey Buzz Clik!

[lunamagica]

50. The Univision poll had Latinos choosing Hillary over Trump by a large margin

[TM99]

62. It won't matter if Clinton

is the D choice due to the independent vote.

[lunamagica]

117. Blacks, Latinos, Muslims, GLBT, jews, REAL Christian and most women will vote for Hillary

Also, reasonable independents won't want Trump in the WH. They will vote for her

[TM99]

122. Keep dreaming.

She already lost the Hispanic youth vote in Nevada. She is about to lose the AA youth vote in SC after that horrid BLM video has surfaced of her.

Muslims are not a sufficiently large enough voting bloc to count. LGBT's are split. Of course she will get the wealthy 1% Jews but not all others as a matter of course.

'Real' Christians are out-numbered by 'Born Again' Christians.

She only has the over 65 female vote at this point in time consistently.

You still fail to account for the independent vote. That is just math.

[lunamagica]

134. obviously you didn't see the national univision poll, ot the lates poll on Texas. Hillary leads in

double digits among Latinos. That Nevada thing? She won't in all heavily Latino precincts, so that ENTRANCE poll doesn't mean anything.

And, no, the AA youth vote in NC is hers. If they show up (In Nevada, the youth both was an anemic 18%

Your post is not "just math" Is Berniemath

[TM99]

139. Sorry wrong again.

LAS VEGAS – Bernie Sanders won the Latino vote in Nevada, according to an analysis released on Monday by the widely-respected William C. Velasquez Institute.

The institute’s detailed analysis was conducted after Hillary Clinton’s campaign disputed entrance poll numbers by discounting the impact of high turnout by younger Latino voters in Saturday’s Nevada precinct caucuses.

“We note that some analysts have said that Secretary Clinton’s victories in heavily Latino precincts proved that she won the Latino vote. However the methodology of using heavily Latino or ‘barrio’ precincts to represent Latino voting behavior has been considered ineffective and discarded for more than 30 years due to non-barrio residential patterns common among Latino voters since the 1980’s,” said Antonio González, the president of the non-partisan organization whose purpose is to conduct research aimed at improving the level of political and economic participation in Latino and other communities.

“Simply put there is no relevant statistical inconsistency between Edison’s Entry Poll results for Latinos, Whites, and Blacks and the overall election results. Based on this fact WCVI concludes that there is no statistical basis to question the Latino vote breakdown between Secretary Clinton and Sen. Sanders.”

The entrance polls were accurate.

You still keep ignoring independents. She will lose the GE period because of them. That is math.

[Zorra]

28. Saw that coming from many miles away. nt

[MoonRiver]

29. Awesome post Peacetrain!

I know you have struggled with this decision. Welcome aboard and don't forget the flame retardant!

[Pisces]

38. I think you mean freeper retardant. True Bernie fans don't repeat Right wing garbage!!

Lot's of wolves in sheep's clothing on this board this election cycle.

[yardwork]

43. I like your post!

[yardwork]

30. Welcome! I think O'Malley is going places.

We will be hearing more from him. Good guy.

[Peacetrain]

35. I do too.. It was his first battle for President..

and he will be back.. and I will be so proud to be his precinct captain again.. they may be rolling me in with a wheel chair.. but I will be there with my O'Malley T shirt..

[yardwork]

39. I admire people like you who go out and do things!

Thank you for contributing to our democracy. You are an inspiration.

[Agschmid]

77. Yup.

[SwampG8r]

32. Totally off topic but

Anyone see the irony of the guy who wrote peacetrain being on the terrorist no fly list?
Not a shot at yusef islam but it is a shot at the dhs.

[yardwork]

40. Unfortunately, he turned out to be a jerk.

When he came out in favor of assassinating a novelist, that was it.

I liked his music, but I can't get over that.

[Codeine]

47. He turned into a real piece of shit. nt

[rhett o rick]

36. Think carefully. There are two sides to this class war and the American Aristocracy isn't on our

side.

"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"

[zappaman]

66. You forgot "Vote for HRC and let the country slide right into fascism"

Because Clinton supporters are:
1. Fascists who want to see the US become a fascist state
or
2. Too stupid to know any better.

Which one is it, Rick?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6660544

[rhett o rick]

159. I appreciate the attention. I can see you miss Manny. Funny that, if you guys get all those

you disagree with kicked off, you will be totally lost. But I am not taking your bait. I know that you are not here to discuss issues.

[zappaman]

162. Manny who?

Oh, right, the troll who was finally banned.
Nah, I don't miss him.

And why won't you answer my simple question?

Are Clinton supporters:
1. Fascists who want to see the US become a fascist state
or
2. Too stupid to know any better.

Which one is it, Rick?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6660544

[rhett o rick]

163. Why don't you ever discuss issues in lieu of trying to bait people into saying something

they might regret? I've been bullied all my life and won't fall for the bait.

[zappaman]

164. You made the statement "Vote for HRC and let the country slide right into fascism"

So I'm just wondering if you think Clinton supporters are:

1. Fascists who want to see the US become a fascist state
or
2. Too stupid to know any better
or
3. A different option that you would like to explain.

Why is this so hard for you, Rick?
How is it bullying to ask you to explain this incredible statement of yours?

[rhett o rick]

208. I am not surprised at your last question. But go ahead, give it your best shot. nm

[zappaman]

212. Let's hope she's not the nominee cuz I'd hate to lose your important voice here!

[rhett o rick]

213. I don't want to see her nominated because I care about the 16,000,000 children living in

poverty more that seeing that the Wealthy get wealthier. I wonder just how bad things have to get before some here see that worshiping the Wealthy isn't the way. I worry about the millions that are incarcerated because the Prisons For Profit need more profits. But I know that there are other things more important to you.

I can see how some would be relieved to see Clinton nominated because then there wouldn't be any of those pesky attempts at discussing actual issues.

[zappaman]

214. Well, that and "Vote for HRC and let the country slide right into fascism".

Hillary supporters want fascism according to you.
That's why you and me aren't Clinton supporters, right my friend?

[rhett o rick]

215. I don't think Clinton supporters want fascism, they just don't care if that's where we end up.

The big corporations are gaining more and more power and the super-wealthy Clintons embrace that culture. Maybe you can help me with a question. Why would people that think they are Democrats support the Wealthy and ignore those living in poverty?

[zappaman]

220. So, Clinton supporters just aren't bright enough to know that

"Vote for HRC and let the country slide right into fascism"?

[rhett o rick]

222. LOL. What is this about the 7th time you've tried to put those words into my mouth?

It must really important to you. By the way, was it you that wrote those nice things about me at your "hang out"? Kinda funny but also kinda creepy.

It seems to me that those that support Clinton are supporting the corrupt culture that has brought us wars, poverty, a crumbling infrastructure, the flight of jobs overseas, environmental destruction like fracking, etc. I guess bowing to the American Aristocracy is more important.

[davidpdx]

225. The results....

On Sat Feb 27, 2016, 07:52 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

LOL. What is this about the 7th time you've tried to put those words into my mouth?
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[rhett o rick]

228. Thanks for posting. I have been getting about one alert per day. Most are 6 - 1 leave

but occasionally they get a 4- 3 Leave. It's a shame that we have to put up with this on a "politically liberal" message board.

[zappaman]

226. This is my hangout Rhett.

And everything I say regarding you is directly to you.
I can understand why you won't illuminate us more on your statement.
But it will be interesting to see if Hillary wins if you'll choose posting privileges over principles.
Be a shame to lose you.
But just as Seattle's loss was Boston's gain, so too would our loss here be some other websites lucky day!

[rhett o rick]

230. Well your alert failed and I am tired of what ever game you are playing.

[zappaman]

234. Sorry, but I didn't alert on you.

But I've gotten plenty of hides from your alerts, Rhett.
And sorry you can't answer a simple question regarding your own words.

[rhett o rick]

235. Interesting that you think you know who alerts on you. But I knew that.

[zappaman]

236. Yes Rhett. Your alerts are Very recognizable.

[BainsBane]

233. Wouldn't discussing actual issues

requiring familiarizing yourself with Clinton's actual positions on issues? https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/



I'm glad to hear you care about children living in poverty. Do you think that was also a major concern for Paul supporters in 2012?

[In_The_Wind]

103. ...

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[BainsBane]

232. I don't think that word

"our" means what you think it does.

[SunSeeker]

37. Great!

[lunamagica]

41. You have chosen wisely

Welcome to the team!

O'Malley was a wonderful candidate. I could have easily switched to him had he gained traction, and became a real contender.

[Eric J in MN]

49. During the Town Hall with Chris Cuomo

...Hillary Clinton refused to call the disastrous Libya War she'd advocated "a mistake."

She tried to imply that since there were elections in Libya, it was worth it.

With that attitude, she'll start another war if she's president.

All sides in the Libyan conflict are probably guilty of war crimes, including torturing, raping and executing prisoners, the UN has said, urging the world to do more to bring the perpetrators to justice.

“A multitude of actors, both state and non-state, are accused of very serious violations and abuses that may, in many cases, amount to war crimes,” said the UN’s human rights chief, Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein.

...A power vacuum since the 2011 toppling ofMuammar Gaddafi has fostered the rise of Islamic State (Isis) in the country, which is headquartered in the former dictator’s hometown of Sirte, but control of Benghazi remains divided between a collection of militias."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/25/libya-conflict-un-says-all-sides-are-probably-guilty-of-war-crimes

[sufrommich]

51. Welcome Peacetrain,you did O'Malley proud.

[Peacetrain]

59. I got him to sign one of his posters last time he was in town

We kept hoping, but knew that last week, it was a done deal.. but I was so proud to stand up for him at caucus.. He will be back in a few years..Hopefully better funded .. we did not even get one commerical on TV.. I wish we had a better online presence .. but lessons to be learned for the next time

[Persondem]

53. Thank you. Well said. K & R nt

[LexVegas]

55. I am sorry for the disgusting attacks on you upthread.

You can see why Sanders is getting blown out.

[Codeine]

71. +1

They reflect poorly on their candidate.

[gcomeau]

56. What causes this continually observed phenomenon...

...of Clinton supporters not knowing what Primaries are for?


Supporting her for a candidate because she's taking the most attacks? Defend her, sure, but in a Primary you are supposed to be deciding who *should be* the standard bearer of your policies and ideals in the general election, nut guessing who you think it probably will be then jumping on the bandwagon because the other side is getting ready to face off against them.


And yet again, I see no argument from policy or ideals or political principles in a post explaining why somebody is supporting Clinton. There is no possible way I can see that Clinton is a closer match to O'Malley on those than Sanders is. Just "She's taking the majority of the attacks!" Well, you realize that's only true as long as she's the presumed nominee? If the party started shifting to Bernie he'd be the one taking the majority of the attacks. So how is identifying the person currently taking the most attacks from the right a reason to pick a candidate? That's no better than "who's winning right now? I pick them! Get me on that bandwagon!"

[ymetca]

73. And so the full-court press begins ..

.. attempting to make us believe there is more than a marginal difference between Trump and HRC. But they are both wholly owned subsidiaries of multinational conglomerates. They both "pal around" with the humanity's true terrorists --the people with all the money.

"Power --the ultimate aphrodisiac."

When everywhere you go everyone applauds you, fawning at your feet, it is a drug more powerful than heroin. Pretty soon you start believing you are actually as great as everyone says you are. You start to believe that only you can save the world.

Then you become president, and you are quickly spun into submission.

Fools following fools...

The nation-state must die. The corporation must die. The enemy of humanity is hierarchy.

Global Direct Democracy is the only way.

[shenmue]

186. Welcome to Non Sequitur Theater

[zappaman]

74. Sorry you're getting attacked for expressing support for a Democratic candidate.

No surprise that a certain contingent can't help themselves.

[Agschmid]

75. This is going to be a tough GE election not matter who our nominee is.

I'm glad you made up your mind, and glad you choose Hillary. It's not easy being a Hillary supporter on DU, I'm here if you need me.

[Cha]

78. Hey Aloha, Peacetrain! Welcome to Team Hillary!

Please stop by Hillary's Group anytime~

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1107

[DesertRat]

79. Welcome, Peacetrain

[NNadir]

81. Thank you.

Of course right here at DU I hear descriptions of her as the reincarnation of Ghenghis Khan.

Anyone who draws so much criticism from the far right and far left must be quite remarkable

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

82. Oh my friend! You will targeted and shat upon

by the Sanders fanatics.

You are a brave one!

Don't worry! I defend your right to support anyone you choose!

[MisterP]

83. gotta change the first part of that username, then ...

[Trajan]

84. An unfortunate choice ...

There is so much wrong with a Hillary presidency .. from her warlike pronouncements to her willingness to sell out America's hard working families ...

Thanks to Hillary supporters, hard pressed families will still suffer wage stagnation, price gouging at the pharmacy and hospital, Keystone and TPP ...

All the bad that would come of your unbelievable support, will be a stain on your own legacy .... I still blame every one of you if innocent people suffer from a needlessly bellicose foreign AND domestic policy ...

The crazy train is here, and I refuse to board ... You're on your own ....

Gone

[Ned_Devine]

85. This belongs in the Hillary group forum

Most of us can't stand anything about Hillary's shapeshifting ways and we see right through her. Most of us are also pretty disappointed that people who call themselves democrats are either more concerned with winning than the integrity of the person they think is going to win, or they're just completely oblivious. So when things like this get posted in GDP, they are met with backlash. To most of us she is a completely flawed candidate who doesn't truly represent our values.

[MADem]

101. No, it does not. Unless you're an admin and have the power to change the TOS and SOP, it's right

where it belongs.

[Ned_Devine]

118. Based on the content of the OP, it would be better suited in a candidate forum

[MADem]

130. WRONG--The post is about TWO candidates. And one supporter.

Look, you're going to have to start getting used to the reality that GDP won't always be All Bernie All The Time.

And until you own the board you don't have the right to decide which candidates are "acceptable" to talk about here, and which ones cause you upset. Trash the thread if you don't like it.

[Ned_Devine]

138. Obviously it's just my opinion

But at the same time, this person shouldn't be surprised when a post like that is met with pushback. A majority of DU is made up of Bernie supporters and we see the difference between the two candidates as night and day. Clearly you can all post whatever you want within certain parameters in whatever forum you want, but don't be shocked when people react in a not so friendly way when you post a cheerlead piece in the general forum about one candidate that the majority of site goers can't stand.

[MADem]

143. Peacetrain has never been anything save a positive and proactive DUer.

For you or anyone else to mock her the way she's been dogged in this thread says PLENTY--and none of it good.

There's a difference between pushback against someone articulating a position; but this poster was talking about her personal journey after her candidate suspended. If she'd come down on Team Bernie, the HRC team wouldn't have shit on her the way she's been crapped on in this thread.

It says a LOT about the people who purport to support Sanders, who could pile on and insult a good DUer in that fashion.

A day of reckoning will come. This kind of conduct used to never be tolerated here. It's offensive and wrong.

[Ned_Devine]

147. I didn't say anything or mock anyone. so let's put that to rest. I just suggested this would have been better suited in the Hillary forum

Tension is high on both sides right now so it shouldn't be a surprise when this type of post is presented in the general forum. I don't condone the pushback but I'm not going to pretend to be surprised. It's like going to a fraternity party and telling everyone you're pledging the fraternity down the street that no one likes and is nothing but trouble and is likely to get kicked off campus for shenanigans.

[MADem]

240. You were net-nannying because you didn't like her opinion. And this is about TWO candidates,

not one, so it belongs right where it is.

Tension is high and you don't help it by trying to boss around a stand-up DUer who has always conducted herself civilly even under no small degree of pressure.

I mean, damn, can't ANYONE have an opinion that doesn't involve Feeling The Bern? These HIDE parties are getting obscene, and this kind of "Get off the street" attitude with regard to a post that is EXACTLY where it belongs isn't any better.

[Ned_Devine]

241. Not buying it. I gave the same advice to an ardent Bernie supporter about one of his posts

[MADem]

242. It doesn't matter who the person supports. If the post is about the primaries, it belongs in this

forum. You were wrong to "advise" that person as well.

It's not for you to tell a Sanders, Clinton or O'Malley supporter where they are "allowed" to post their opinions. This is a DISCUSSION board--if a person wants to exchange ideas with all members of the board, this is where they do it.

If they post in a protected group, it limits the discussion to cheerleaders.

You're demanding that people limit their audience, and you have no right to make that demand.

[AgadorSparticus]

239. Amen to everything you said!!

[yardwork]

172. Bullying. /nt

[Ned_Devine]

173. I don't condone it. I just don't pretend to be surprised by it

[yardwork]

174. Stop doing it then.

[Ned_Devine]

176. I'm not

Stop with the fake outrage. It's beyond ridiculous

[Amimnoch]

145. Then you, perhaps, belong in the Bernie forum.

If all you want to see is pro-Bernie.

This is GD-P, and there are 2 candidates in it.

[Ned_Devine]

149. My pleasure. I can't stand any of you anyway

[Amimnoch]

150. bye bye love.

[shenmue]

188. Very adult of you.

[Ned_Devine]

194. Says the person posting a smiley face rolling around

[cyberswede]

146. This belongs wherever the OP wanted to post it.

This Sanders supporter is ashamed of your unkind, divisive post.

[Ned_Devine]

148. Be ashamed all you want

[cyberswede]

155. ok.

[Ned_Devine]

161. I also feel at this stage in the game, any pro-Bernie stuff I post should be in his forum

Once it's out there in the general, it's just going to get pushback and irritate other people here.

[Amimnoch]

152. Don't take it too much to heart Cyber.

I think despite the hyperbole going all around, most us on this side know that most on your side are good decent people. Hell, politics out of it most of us probably agree on 99% or more of things.

Besides, if he REALLY supported Senator Sanders, he wouldn't be that hateful. One thing Senator Sanders is not is a man who embraces hatred and bitterness.

[Agschmid]

210. Yup.

[californiabernin]

86. She will be a very weak GE candidate.

Particularly against a non-politician like Trump.

You have made a poor decision.

If Hillary is the nominee I expect Trump to be the next President of the United States.

[shenmue]

189. Hilarious. You should try stand-up more often.

[MADem]

87. Welcome to the club! Stand by for "incoming!"

It's sad, but you will be excoriated for your choice here.

[LuvLoogie]

111. Alas, more derision from a jilted partisan.

[Ellen Forradalom]

90. I support your choice

because I support everyone's sacred right to exercise their vote as they choose! Hop on over to the Hillary group any time.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

91. Welcome!

[Sancho]

96. Smart choice!

[erlewyne]

100. It's a good thing that you have had the opportunity to vote for Hillary.

I will do my best to make sure you do not have that opportunity come November
because I am sure you will vote for Bernie if he is your option.

Peacetrain is a nice name.

[mcar]

102. K&R

[SHRED]

104. You love Wal-Mart also?

http://usuncut.com/politics/alice-walton-hillary-clinton/

[PoliticalMalcontent]

105. While I am disappointed, I understand and hope it serves you well.

[Wibly]

106. When all reason and logic fails

Try the martyred diva routine and see how it works.
Sorry, I'll base my decision on quality of policy, and history of integrity, not on who the GOP want to slander this week.
And it won't be Clinton.

[LuvLoogie]

115. Alas, more derision from a jilted partisan.

[MrWendel]

107. Welcome aboard...

get used to the haters.

[MaggieD]

108. Sigh - so naturally the attacks begin against you

Sorry. But thanks for your post.

[SidDithers]

112. DU rec...

That was very well stated.

Too bad you had to suffer the derision of some of the earlier posters in the thread.


Sid

[DemocratSinceBirth]

113. Thank you and be well./nt

[George II]

114. Nice to hear, welcome to the winning team!

[snagglepuss]

120. Repukes attack Hillary so that she appears to be the one who is inevitable.

TPTB DO NOT CARE if Hillary or a Repuke win the GE. This is all kabuki theatre. Which big bigness interest has a problem with Hillary? Nada. What big bigness doesn't want is for Bernie to run a against a Repuke.

Bigness/oligarchs may prefer Repuke puppet but Hillary would be fine which is why so many are funding her.

[Starry Messenger]

121. K&R

[Amimnoch]

123. Hello Peacetrain, and welcome aboard :)

I, personally, think you did make a great choice.

Of course, I'm not without bias there

[Fawke Em]

129. Duh. I always thought you were anyway.

[Geronimoe]

132. What if O'Malley endorses Bernie?

on the major issues O'Malley and Bernie are fairly close. However many threat the election as a personality contest instead of the filling of an executive vacancy.

[Mike Nelson]

140. O'Malley was an admirable candidate...

...he will be an ally for the next President.

[JohnnyLib2]

141. Glad to hear it, Peacetrain

Nice to see this positive OP today.

[cyberswede]

144. You're a good egg, Peacetrain.

I'm also in Iowa, and though we may not support the same candidate, I know you're thoughtful & fair, and always kind.

Ignore the asshats giving you shit in this thread.

[cantbeserious]

151. Maintaining The Status Quo For Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Is The Limit Of HRC's Vision

eom

[Stand and Fight]

153. I'm glad you won't be sitting things out.

It's important that no matter who the nominee is -- be it my preferred candidate (Clinton) or Senator Sanders -- there's no way I want the right wing loons to win the White House!

[Trust Buster]

154. Keep the name Peacetrain despite the unprovoked attacks. What a double standard.

[stevenleser]

157. The responses to you tell people a lot about the supporters of both candidates.

and is a reflection of the candidates themselves.

[DesertRat]

168. Well said. n/t

[one_voice]

160. Congrats Peacetrain! I was/am an O'Malley supporter..

always enjoyed reading your updates and opinions.

I'm still undecided. I still have a bit to go before I have to decide.

[Iliyah]

165. Welcome!

[wildeyed]

170. Welcome!

It's nice here under the bus! You are in good company

[Bucky]

175. Congratulations. When MO'M dropped out, I struggled too.

Neither of the candidates quite felt right, and it was a hard uneasy transition to eventually land on a comfort level with someone. I chose Bernie, but I totally respect the choice you made. It's important that we find our passion for our country and serve it as best we can.

The stakes haven't been this high in many election cycles, at least since 2000.

When, as I suspect, your candidate beats mine, I'll joyfully join whatever bandwagon the part prepares for us... all the way to November.

[snowy owl]

177. I liked O'Malley

He's closer to Bernie so I'm curious why you picked Clinton?

[Lorien]

181. So you are just fine with Hillary's positions on:

Iraq
TPP
KXL
Pro arctic drilling
Pro for Profit Prisons
Pro Monsanto
Bankruptcy bill
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Using her position as SoS to push fracking on the rest of the world
Wall Street donations
Six digit speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Voted to raise credit card interest rates
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
No medical Marijuana
Supports mandatory sentencing
Says that she's "proud of" the way Walmart does business
Libya
Yemen
Syria
Egypt
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
Free trade - Oman agreement
Voted FOR Gitmo. --- Hillary voted against the Byrd ammendment and against a large majority of democrats to reduce Guatanamo funding by $36,000,000. She joined the republican majority against the majority of democrats in supporting Guantanamo.
Pro death penalty
Pro cluster bombing
Clinton policies lead to the largest mass incarceration of human beings in the history of the world
and the list goes on...

And a few of the other reasons why I won't vote for Hillary, but will vote for Bernie:

Hillary wants to attack Iran: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

Hillary pushed Fracking on the rest of the planet: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

Hillary and childhood poverty: http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

What Hillary calls "feminism" : https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/

How women workers faired at Walmart when Hillary was on it's board:

Hillary's campaign had a gender pay gap: http://freebeacon.com/politics/hillary-clintons-campaign-has-a-gender-pay-problem/

Hillary takes millions in campaign cash from her "enemies": http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/14/hillary-takes-millions-in-campaign-cash-from-enemies

Hillary on Gay marriage in 2004:

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Hillary open to raising the retirement age and reducing SS benefits: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-indicates-she-is-open-to-raising-the-retirement-age.html

Bernie has a MUCH better record of accomplishments as Senator than Hillary does: https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/

When you ask me to vote for Hillary: https://medium.com/@Lookingforrobyn/when-you-ask-me-to-vote-for-hillary-174becdb5ccc#.2ixs3cg5o

Hillary's legacy of pushing the party to the right: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right

Chomsky: Democrats are now moderate Republicans:http://trofire.com/2015/09/23/noam-chomsky-dems-are-now-moderate-repugs-republicans-are-now-off-the-spectrum-of-reality/

The political compass finds Bernie to be the most centrist candidate, Hillary falls into the right wing Authoritarian spectrum:: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Bernie rejects big fundraising events: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2015-03-26/bernie-sanders-hates-money-in-politics-the-very-thing-he-ll-need-to-beat-clinton

Debunking the "Bernie has a Super PAC" lie: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/debunking-the-big-bernie-sanders-has-a-superpac-lie/

Elizabeth Warren on Hillary Clinton: https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/986305904741661/

A comparison of bills put forth by Bernie and Hillary: http://giphy.com/gifs/clinton-vs-sanders-bills-passed-according-to-congressgov-3o6gaQaIZcGAW7hCfu

Hillary helps a bank, which then funnels millions to the Clintons: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

Under Sanders, incomes and jobs would soar:http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/08/news/economy/sanders-income-jobs/

Electing Bernie would usher a wave of "Bernie Democrats" into Congress: https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-congress

Bernie vows to stop disastrous TPP deal: http://ecowatch.com/2015/10/05/sanders-stop-tpp-deal/

Bernie's foreign policy positions are solid and through: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-poicy-213619

Hillary's foreign policy record is dismal: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html

Bernie has plenty of foreign policy knowledge: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-poicy-213619

Hillary's foreign policy record is a disaster: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html

Top economist, UN advisor and climate activist: "Clinton is a danger to world peace" http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/15/1485382/-Top-economist-UN-advisor-and-climate-activist-Clinton-is-a-danger-to-world-peace

The pragmatic case for Bernie Sanders: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/the-pragmatic-case-for-bernie-sanders/462720/

Who could beat Trump? Bernie by a wide margin, while Hillary could lose against him: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-destroys-donald-trump-by-13-points-6-more-than-clinton-_b_8936840.html

Bernie Sanders would beat Donald Trump 51-38 in a general-election: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/poll-against-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-would-get-schlonged-20151223#ixzz3zvCwk44J

Poll shows that Hillary could easily lose to Trump in the General election: http://www.inquisitr.com/2667052/poll-shows-hillary-clinton-could-easily-lose-to-donald-trump-in-general-election/

In Europe, Sanders would be Center-Right: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-01-19/in-europe-sanders-would-be-center-right


I refuse to have the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, and much of life on earth, on my hands dues to Hillary's pro-war/ anti-environment policies. I'm shocked that anyone who calls themselves "Peacetrain" would honestly be comfortable with such things. A bit like a vegan relaxing by clubbing a few baby seals. It just doesn't compute.

[shenmue]

187. How full of yourself can you get?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

182. sixth global mass-extinction event

and you think hillary is a good choice

peace - enjoy the train wreck

[actslikeacarrot]

185. Ok. I am glad you found a candidate you can be proud to support.

But I have SERIOUS reservations about her electability in the GE.

[Califonz]

237. Peter the Great, Ivan the Terrible, Alexander the Great, and

Hillary the Unelectable.

[ucrdem]

190. So glad you posted this Peacetrain . . .

There are a couple of Sanders supporters with "peace" in their usernames and I knew it couldn't be you.

[delrem]

191. How is Hillary like Martin O'Malley?

To me they seem very different.
O'Malley certainly doesn't have the hawkish tone. Nor does he have the incredibly tight corporate bonds, quid pro quo's.

In fact O'Malley is the opposite of Clinton in many very important ways, while yet being pro free enterprise.

I just gotta shake my head and wonder at your evolution, Peacetrain.

[FrenchieCat]

192. Hi and Welcome Peacetrain....

Great decision. She will be formidable, and that is definitely the type of person we will need!

I just decided about a month ago...

Here's some of what I have written as to why I support Hillary -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110738887

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110744376

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511153695

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110741944

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118738275

[bigwillq]

195. Cool.

I am cool with folks supporting the candidate of their choice.

[NurseJackie]

198. I love that your thread keeps popping back to the top of the list.

[DarthDem]

201. Amen! n/t

[NastyRiffraff]

206. Welcome, Peacetrain!

So very sorry your thoughtful, intelligent post has been crapped on by those who don't know what a toilet is for. It sounds like you've thought deeply about this decision. Get ready to expand your Ignore list, though!

[Cary]

209. I'm sorry for the nastiness here

I'm sorry you received it and I'm sorry for me that this place has descended into this stupid abyss.