Damn voter turn out needs to be a concern.

[TM99]

With half the counties reporting, voter turn out is not rising above 30% in any individual county.

http://www.enr-scvotes.org/SC/59277/160596/en/vt.html

This will have ramifications and not good ones if this type of pattern continues for Democrats.

[doc03]

1. Many people are switching from Democrat to Republican in the

Ohio early elections.

[TM99]

9. That's distressing.

The GE is fast becoming the GOP's for the taking. Low voter turnout, disenfranchised youth, pissed off Independents, the Brock/Clinton Machine and it won't matter how many minorities vote, she will lose. 80% of 30% is about 24% and that will not win an election.

[doc03]

12. I saw today where a University predicted Trump had something like a 97%

chance of being the next president. Sorry I can't give the link but that prediction has been right ever since 1996.

[PonyUp]

13. I saw that too, but it was a rw site so I didn't post it. n/t

[TM99]

21. I saw that as well.

If Trump takes the nomination, he will lose to Sanders and win against Clinton.

[UglyGreed]

49. I believe if Hillary wins the

nomination it will motivate Republicans more than Democrats to vote in the GE.

[TM99]

52. They appear to already be motivated.

Their voter turn out was 2 to 1 that of the Dems.

[UglyGreed]

58. Yes you are correct

it may be because of Trump or since both sides are pushing Hillary she may very well be the reason. Thank God for Bernie's sake he did not run as an independent because now he can not be "Nadered" if Hillary loses.

[FrenchieCat]

55. Cause you think that

More republicans would stand in line to vote against Hillary then they would Sanders? So let me see if I have this straight, they hate Hillary so much although here she's called the Republican. But the athiest-socialist promising to raise their taxes and nationalized healthcare is cool with them? Are you serious?

[Barack_America]

10. Funny, many elected Democrats are doing the same.

But seriously, we truly only have one party in this country.

It's like a choice between Coke and Diet Coke. Most people will go with the real thing.

[TSIAS]

2. The new Democratic plan

All I used to hear was how Democrats win when more voters turn out. It seems like the party is going the opposite direction, hoping for lower voter turnout in Nov.

[JimDandy]

47. They are hoping for low voter turnout only in the primaries, as that benefits Clinton.

Not one GOTV drive yet where I am. In past presidential elections, they were a huge thing during the whole season, from primaries to the GE.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. Where is Bernie's revolution? nt

[TM99]

6. Apparently it is trying very hard to

not be crushed by the establishment Clinton/Brock Machine.

Since it is a movement, it will continue whether Sanders wins or not. Clinton's campaign will be over next fall when she loses the youth and Independent vote. Thankfully she will just disappear. We won't have to worry about another Clinton unless the establishment tries to groom Chelsea!

[bunnies]

4. It's no concern. This is exactly what they want.

Keep em stupid and complacent. Win.

[oasis]

5. Hillary will turn out more than enough Democrats for the GE.

Independents will flock to her over the outrageous stall of SCOTUS nominees.

So, nothing for us to worry about.

[TM99]

7. Keep dreaming.

It isn't going to turn out that way.

[Barack_America]

11. Independents hate her more than they even know what the SC does.

[2banon]

15. For a minute I thought you were serious..

So, nothing for us to worry about.

Nope, no need to be concerned, nothing to see here, move along now.

[msongs]

8. the sanders crowd strategy of calling non-revolting people stupid is doomed to failure nt

[2banon]

16. by golly, that is revolting!

oh my!

[Lucinda]

14. We will be fine. We had twice the turnout from primaries to GE in 08

and that was with Hillary and Obama both in it. Dems will come out for the GE.

[2banon]

17. twice the turnout? you mean in SC?

I'd love to the source for that.

[Lucinda]

19. Nooo. I said twice the turnout Primaries vs the GE.

Half the people who voted in the 08 GE, sat home for the primaries.

[2banon]

20. I see, I misunderstood the specifics.

I suppose the stats are available on wikipedia, but of course it wouldn't be updated to report current turn outs I wouldn't imagine.

That would be interesting to track though as this thing progresses.

[Lucinda]

23. It would be interesting to track it throughout this election.

Sorry if I wasnt clear enough on my first post!
I am in serious need of dinner and not thinking too clearly!

Wikipedia does seem to be keeping up with it pretty well so far:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

[2banon]

24. oh, well thanks!

[2banon]

28. My interest at this juncture is to see a comparative tracking graph

2008 - 2012 - 2016

primary by primary

This link describes well enough the current stats.. I'd like to see a running (on-going) comparative analysis. If you know of any credible source, that would be great!

[Lucinda]

29. I havent run across one yet. I know you can load the relevent

wiki pages and sort of run the totals, but thats pretty tedious. If I find one I'll post it to GDP.

[2banon]

34. ah gee thanks! that would help a great deal!

[Contrary1]

56. This doesn't have graphs...

but, it does talk about a downward trend..

The following is referring to the 2012 Primary:

"This year, though, it is hard to find much enthusiasm in either party. Turnout for the presidential primaries, which approached 60 million in 2008, was roughly half that this year. The decline among Democrats from the high-voltage contest between Obama and Hillary Clinton four years ago (which drew nearly 37 million primary voters) to this year’s total of about 9 million is understandable given the absence of a Democratic race in 2012. But the Republican presidential primary vote also went down this time — from nearly 21 million in 2008 to less than 19 million — with only the primary in Utah June 26 remaining to be held..."

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/voter-turnout-heading-downward-in-2012/

Edit to add: Just found this one. My eyes aren't so good these days, so I don't know if it will be of help to you or not. It does go back several years on both the Primary and General election voter.

turnout http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/voter-turnout-data

[2banon]

59. Wow! Dem primary voters dropped from 37 million to 9 million. That's huge

28 million fewer!

Republicans also dropped but by only 4 million.

Sheesh.

[Contrary1]

60. Just found this one too...

Goes back through all the elections from 1787-2012.

http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/voter-turnout-data

[Bucky]

18. They want us disinterested. They want us demoralized

The ugliness of the GOP contest is rubbing off on our side. People are giving up on America.

This is why I hate that "I'm leaving this country if Asshole X is elected"

[2banon]

22. How did this one compare to '08 and 2012 I wonder?

is that info with the link?

[Arazi]

25. Sanders actually got more millennials to vote in SC than Obama in 2008

http://www.pewresearch.org/2008/02/11/young-voters-in-the-2008-presidential-primaries/

Obama had 14% in 2008

Sanders had 15%

[2banon]

30. Well now, that's interesting. Presumably all precincts have reported by now?

Thank you!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

27. The only stat I saw compared

was 62% black voters this time, only 55% in 2008.

[2banon]

31. and with one percent higher turnout for Sanders by millennials than Obama in '08

which is interesting. Thanks!

[TM99]

33. Last I saw was actually 60%.

So between 2008 and 2016 only a 5% increase in AA voters. Not good overall unless you are living in denial.

[2banon]

36. interesting.

I suppose the Clinton campaign is not much concerned about that, S.C. is now done and over with, a notch under her belt regardless. and oh by the way, probably not going to see much of her there come G.E. campaign time, I wouldn't reckon.

[TM99]

39. Penny smart and a pound foolish.

It has been the DWS/Brock/Clinton Machine mantra since 2014.

[2banon]

43. Completely destroyed Howard Dean's 50 state strategy to boot.

All that work, it was indeed a lot of very hard work. It's beyond infuriating.

[TM99]

46. We can thank DWS for that.

She and the Clinton Machine believe that establishment pundits & pols, the moneyed elite donors through SuperPACs, and Brock's Rovian smears are all that is needed to win.

Of course they may be right in the primary. But they are wrong in the General.

[2banon]

48. Dean's general theory was spot on and obvious

the only reason Dems lost elections is because they did not turn out the vote, which obviously affected a demolition of FDR's policies for generations, so the point was to reestablish our actual majorities vis a vis the election process state by state, precinct by precinct. But of course that strategy did not and will never benefit the establishment political class... and had to be demolished.

Although I cut the chord with M$M via cable and satellite and don't see cable "news" programs on my tv everyday, I have on occasion seen video clips of Howard Dean opining on this that and the other, and he just saddens me now. It's like he surrendered. I suppose he had to think of his retirement nest egg. I don't know.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

37. Not sure what you mean.

is there a reason one should expect to see either more or fewer black voters? Have the demographics of the state changed significantly in 8 years?

[TM99]

42. I think you were quoting the incorrect number.

That was all.

You said 62%. I saw on MSNBC 60%. That number has also been in several pro Clinton threads.

Not that is not to say that there may indeed be fewer black voters.

[2banon]

45. good question, I was curious about that too.

As an ancillary matter to the stats as regards population, registered voters, party affiliation etc.

[datguy_6]

26. It's a trend...the Democratic Party is toast...thanks Debbie!

Maybe we need this...an epic ass kicking in order to bring about real change

[beaglelover]

32. Not worried here. There's really only ONE D candidate running. Dems will come out

in force in November to elect the first woman President, Hillary Clinton!!!! GO HILLARY!!!!!

I'm feeling the BURN!!!!!

Bernie will drop out in March after more ass whoopings, starting on Super Tuesday!!!!

GO HILLARY!!!!!!

[TM99]

35. On cue, thanks for proving my point about denial.

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No Sanders will not drop out. The pledged delegate count is around a 30 point difference right now. Sanders will pick up lots on Tuesday. He is not going any where.

But no this doesn't bode well.

Overall 10 to 30% turnout. Very small increase for Clinton with AA's and equally as small an increase for Sanders with Millennials.

18-29 year olds broke for Sanders as did independents. Clinton's Brockian scorched earth campaign will ensure neither of those demographics show up with the numbers need to help the 23% of registered Democratic voters win this fall.

Y'all will likely win the Democratic Party the nomination of Clinton, but y'all will lose the left the GE to President Trump come fall.

Thanks!

[beaglelover]

38. Dream on Sweetie!! You are in for a long 8 years come January 2017.

You salty tears on election night will be delicious!!!

[TM99]

40. Oh darling, it will not be my tears.

It will be yours.

And sadly, the only tears I might shed then will be in rage at the idiocy of the left for pushing that narcissist yet again in a failed bid for the presidency.

Can you handle 8 years with Trump?

[MannyG]

50. After March 15th Sanders Staying In Will Be Good For Clinton

He'll stay in, the rhetoric against Hillary will decrease, the focus on the dangers of a Trump presidency will increase.

[TM99]

51. Now that is funny!

[bobbobbins01]

54. I'm a democrat, but my vote isn't given, its earned.

Hillary has done nothing to earn my vote yet.

[EdwardBernays]

41. Don't worry

President Trump has a plan for that.

[flamingdem]

44. This is everything, every Bernie rally and march - also Hillarys needs

voter registration going on and rides arranged and help to get people to the polls.

[AzDar]

53. Nope. It's exactly what Debs was shooting for...

[TM99]

57. True that.

Neoliberals win even if a Republican is elected. Free trade, insurance mandates, and corporate cash cows are loved by both parties these days!