2016 Postmortem
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"Play around with the CNN delegate calculator (link below) and you can see that even if Romney were to win every contest going forward with 100 percent of the delegates (thats called kickin it North Korea-style) he still wouldnt reach 1,144 until April 3. Under a similar extreme scenario, it would take Rick Santorum until April 23. Heres the real kicker: If Romney and Santorum were to split the delegates going forward and each were to carry five of the 10 all-or-nothing contests, neither candidate would win enough delegates to clinch the nomination.
Add to that mix the fact that Ron Pauls got very little reason to not go all the way to Tampa collecting delegates along the wayand Newt Gingrich has sworn less convincingly to do the sameand the math gets even more daunting for Team Mitt."
CNN Delegate Calculator: http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/calculator/
More here: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/17/the-gop-s-chaotic-primary-calendar-makes-early-nomination-clinch-tough.html
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Grateful for Hope
(39,320 posts)That would be the icing on the cake!
DCBob
(24,689 posts)If the convention is wide open they could bring in someone new. If they do it could be a breath fo fresh air for them and basically wipe the negative slate clean. It would generate a huge media storm and a ton of enthusiasm.
On the other hand if Romney is the nominee I think we are more certain of the outcome. Romney is boring, predictable, a gaffe machine and very beatable. I think if things continue as they are and Romney is the nominee, Obama wins fairly easily. If someone like Mitch Daniels or Jeb Bush or Chris Christy comes out of a brokered convention all bets are off.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)the GOP will have billions of SuperPac money to show. (Same goes for Romney, but people are tired of him now)
DCBob
(24,689 posts)in this country who are clueless about a candidates positions and only vote for the nice guy/gal that looks and sounds good. Santorum has those features. However, I think the Obama campaign will know how to attack this guy and make it stick. The birth control flap is a good example.
fugop
(1,828 posts)we have alot of low information voters in this country who are clueless about a candidates positions and only vote for the nice guy/gal that looks and sounds good.
I honestly think most of those voters already will vote for the GOP ticket. I'm not saying every Dem voter is an intellectual marvel, but I think the "vote for the guy you want to have a beer with" category of low info voter is the GOP's bread and butter. The Bush voters. The Palin lovers. The "we hate smart people" voters.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)like appearance, personality, speaking abilities, etc., which have nothing to do with issues. This happens with all voter groups.. liberal, conservative, and moderates. Thats just the nature of politics and all campaigns have to deal with it.
wandy
(3,539 posts)How the hell else are you going to sell Jeb Bush!
Sorry, I can't spell even with a spell checker.
Edited for spelling and it's probably still not right.
political_al
(1 post)The 2012 Republican Presidential nomination process has been anything but traditional and following the most recent round of primary and caucus results, this election year now appears poised to produce a historic political convention, the likes of which has not been seen in the lifetime of most Americans. For nearly six decades, each political party convened every four years to select their respective nominees for President & Vice-President, and only twice in all that time has a national party convention opened with no clear pre-determined nominee. Based on the current state of the Republican presidential contest, rules for delegate apportionment, remaining state delegates at stake and contrary to popular conventional wisdom, a historic 2012 Republican Party brokered convention now seems not only likely, but inevitable.
To win the Republican Party nomination for President, a candidate must secure a simple majority (1,144) of the total delegates attending the national party convention scheduled for late August in Tampa, Florida. The failure of any single candidate to reach this pledged delegate threshold triggers what has traditionally been referred to as a brokered convention and optimistically may be considered nothing less than controlled chaos. As this years Republican Presidential nomination process continues to unfold, the likelihood of this potentially dangerously deadlocked outcome seems destined to create modern-day political convention history.
In the first nine primary or caucus contests held so far this nomination cycle, there have been three different winners and no candidate has won a majority of votes in any contests that have actually awarded or pledged convention delegates. Even though Mitt Romney has a lead in the current delegate allocation, as long as there are at least three candidates remaining in the nomination race and if no candidate secures the magic 50% delegate majority to secure the partys nomination, political history buffs and neophytes alike will see their dream scenario of a modern-day political food fight play out right before their eyes, and more importantly, before the eyes of the American voting electorate.
Over the next few weeks, I will release a series of articles outlining the following:
Historical look at brokered political conventions in America and their impact on the party, eventual nominee and the general election
Analysis of the current process for state delegate selection and the adopted rules dictating how the convention will be conducted
Review of impending convention battles over rules, delegate participation, party platform ideology and the ultimate nomination of a Presidential candidate
This series will conclude and be posted in advance of the scheduled March 6, 2012 Super Tuesday election, at which time I fully expect (Based upon the apportionment of delegates), the inevitability of a brokered convention becomes not just painfully obvious but true reality television later this summer and these articles may serve as a roadmap to give those late-comers to the Brokered Convention Bandwagon an opportunity to quickly catch up.
Al Yorston is a political analyst and social commentator, please submit any inquiries or comments to: al.yorston@hotmail.com or follow on twitter at: political_al
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)CanonRay
(14,103 posts)and the we get Bush/Christie or some such.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)for the Republican Party in 2012. May they be many and disturb their sleep nightly.
lesgensvontgagner
(65 posts)Thank god for Biden
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)February? Uff da!
donco
(1,548 posts)watch the repugs make sausage, in the summer, in Tampa Fl. Looking forward to it.
snot
(10,529 posts)I thought it was the Dems who were unruly and disorganized.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)The way the nomination process has gone so far opens the possibility that something worse than a mere brokered convention happens. How about a brokered convention where Mitt sues because he thinks he has the 1144 necessary for the nomination? The caucuses and primaries have been so poorly run by the GOP that we still don't know what the deal is with Iowa or Maine. Even Colorado is hazy. In a normal year this doesn't matter because one candidate emerges and gets well over the 1144 delegates needed so the haziness doesn't matter, but this year it could come into play.
Imagine a scenario where the Mitt says he has 1150 delegates, but his opponents say he has 1120 and the party isn't sure what the count is. Either Mitt would sue or Santorum and Newt would sue. Then there would be huge controversy going into the convention at the same time Conservatives will have spent hundreds of millions of dollars battling each other instead of Obama. This is the worst case scenario for the GOP. They're cooked either way even at this point. If this gets past Super Tuesday without a victor get a bucket of popcorn, because that party will tear itself to shreds.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,714 posts)you read a word wrong? When I was skimming the OP I read "CNN delegate counter" as "CNN degenerate counter." Guess that was sort of a mental Freudian slip.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I have it on the best authority from a journo friend in Washington that there are two bimbo eruptions waiting in the wings should Jeb step forward. The kind of eruptions that take out people like Vitter, etc. Bring it on, this journo says.