2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThere is a revolution happening and it's being led by Hillary Clinton.
Bernie claimed high voter turnout and new voters will propel his Revolution. Not happening.
Ryan J. Davis @RyanNewYork 13h13 hours ago Cuauhtémoc, Distrito Federal
There is a revolution happening and it's being led by Hillary Clinton. #ImWithHer
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Signed
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)when it looks like the same tripe we've been forced to shovel down for the past 16 years.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)now his revolution? Yea right! Go ahead and vote for Wall Street's candidate, but it, by definition cannot be a revolution because Wall Street is already in power. She is protecting the Establishment government of corporate America, not trying to restore Representative Democracy. They began to take power under Reagan, and Hillary and her husband cemented their revolution in the 90's.
spyker29
(89 posts)I doubt she's interested in claiming his "revolution"
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Whoop-de-fucking-do...
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Always has been. I've spent too much time in that shithole.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)DataDrivenFP
(7 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)same as the old Boss....some revolution
6chars
(3,967 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)is my guess, and I completely agree, Hillary is more thirdway bullshit.
I'm sure you've heard "Do you want a Republican for President!?"
We're past that fear mongering.
6chars
(3,967 posts)that confused me. I think it's fair to expect that if Hillary ends up president, she will have a similar approach to policy to that of Bill and Barack.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)was basically the Republican establishment and how bad it's gotten.
So two terms for two Presidents = 16 years.
We haven't had traditional Democratic representation for almost 24 years and everyone wonders why we're so effed up.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Like Harriet Tubman. Same thing.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)riversedge
(70,289 posts)@HillaryClinton is the first woman to EVER win a South Carolina primar--Herstory being made....
Adam J. Smith @AdamSmith_USA 16h16 hours ago
.@HillaryClinton is the first woman to EVER win a South Carolina primary. Proud to be on team @HFA. #ImWithHer pic.twitter.com/JnFzvbuXmn
bvf
(6,604 posts)Oh, yeah:
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davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)oasis
(49,401 posts)Hadn't seen that particular picture before. Great shot.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Posed and fake looking.... yep it IS!
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Sorry, not cheering for a victory by the 1%.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)So where is the "Hillary Revolution"?
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)swilton
(5,069 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)You didn't.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Nixon stink on Ford was just too much. Otherwise, they've voted for the Republican since the Civil Rights Act.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Bring out your base or stop crying. Simple as that. Get your guy nominated and we'll all back him in the GE. But if you can't win the playoffs you don't make the championship.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The formula for delegates takes in to account past election results, and reliably "red" states get fewer delegates. Democrats in SC literally count less to the DNC.
These aren't the playoffs. These are out-of-conference games.
Clinton did very well, but this is going to be a long primary.
TheFarseer
(9,323 posts)Now I've heard everything.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...big k&r!
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)So call me a proud counter-revolutionary...
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Woo hoo!! #imwithher
retrowire
(10,345 posts)But if having a woman in power is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, then knock yourself out.
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)Black masses for Clinton, and the PTB ready to sweep her into the WH with a mandate for "sanity" or "experience" or some such.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Now they think they have a revolution. It's Hillary's REVOLTING not revolution.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)They'll co-opt anything Sanders came up with 1st..... for the primary anyway....
Have you ever seen a campaign with such a dearth of ideas????
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)Not quite a real revolution when it is being done so undercover. A true revolution is one where people show their faces, speak their words to the public and do not have an alternative program running in the background that voters cannot see.
Hillary Clinton should be embarrassed to keep purloining words and policies promoted by Bernie Sanders. She should be authentic enough to come up with her own material.
Sam
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)by taking socialist ideas and then becoming a traitor to that cause , and then pretending he is some kind of "democratic socialist"?
Samantha
(9,314 posts)When he entered Congress, there was no classification of Democratic Socialists for him to join. He was classified as an Independent but caucused with the Dems forever. Sanders doesn't embrace the pure socialist label, which is why socialists in Vermont had to debate whether or not to support him.
He has been called a socialist in public by the MSM because they believe that word alone will repel many voters. To the contrary, when people are asked today if they support socialism, which is the basis for, for instance, social security, unemployment, Medicare and many other of our FDR programs, they say yes.
Sanders is that rare politician who tells people how things really are, no I see zero reason for him to be embarrassed about anything. As he has often explained it, a Democratic Socialist is basically one who embraces the Democratic party platform, but goes a step further to incorporate the government working for all of the people, instead of corporations and the super wealthy.
Sam
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Makes your gums bleed.
Revolution means taking power from the billionaire class. Hillary is not it.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Jesus H Fucking Christ! Hillary is as status quo as one can possibly get. And her supporters eat it up like it's divine jizz.
riversedge
(70,289 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Argentina beat the US to that as well.
"In 1960 Sirivamo Bandaranaike of Sri Lanka became the world's first female elected Premier Minister and in 1974 Isabel Perón of Argentina became the first woman President - one woman had been Acting Head of Government and two women Acting Heads of State before that."
Looks like America is always behind the curve when it comes to being progressive. And centrist Hillary, though she may become our first woman president, will continue that status quo.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Excuse me for not getting used to it.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)that's a pathetic looking revolution.
jalan48
(13,881 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)didn't bother to show up. Something a repub would be proud of. You have to be kidding with this nonsense op.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)YCHDT
(962 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)red states are like that. You cant even blame Bernie for the bullshit showing last night. If you want to hold onto that meme, then your are a big part of the problem
YCHDT
(962 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)MOTS: "More Of The Same"
Impedimentus
(898 posts)One of the leaders would be Lloyd Blankfein. He would claim he's doing God's work.
YCHDT
(962 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)Kind of a counter revolution that will only benefit the 0.1%
The Midway Rebel
(2,191 posts)Yeah, sure.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Turnout for the South Carolina Democratic presidential primary Saturday was expected to be much lighter than last week's GOP primary vote, when a record 740,000 people cast ballots.
Democratic party leaders expected about half that number for their primary.
However, according to the SC Election Commission, South Carolina had a record number of absentee ballots returned.
So far, 54,000 absentee ballots have been returned which is up from 35,000 returned in 2008.
Most polls showed Hillary Clinton had a big lead heading into the vote, but Vermont Senator
Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)Hey everyone, the Bank Lives Matter candidate is leading a revolution!
Laser102
(816 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Elsewhere, it sounds a lot like a defeat for the people.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Clinton is NOT a revolutionary. She is an establishment corporatist.
Where you got the idea that she is a revolutionary, especially after she won one of the most CONservative states in the Union, is beyond me.
YCHDT
(962 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Not if they want the status quo that Hillary shall yield.
They may have been mesmerized by her promises, which she has been forced to voice, but in no way do I believe that she intends to keep ANY of her promises to the middle class. This is how she has been in the past, it is how she is now, it is how she shall be in the future.
YCHDT
(962 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Like many of her supporters, they actually believe that she works for them, when her actions tell us otherwise.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)That's some power to be able to dupe more than 3/4 of the dem primary voters. Sorcery!
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Not who is correct. Clinton parrots everything that Bernie states, only two weeks later. Her past actions prove to me that she shall not make good on ANY of these promises.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)It's just that progressives are pretty thin on the ground in SC...
INdemo
(6,994 posts)If there is a revolution lead by Hillary Clinton,it would be to end all banking regulations,no fines or punishment for those Too Big to fail banks that swindle consumers,give the military Industrial Complex more capacity to build up our War machine.
Subsidies to the Private Prison Complex
Removing restrictions on individual campaign donations....
Stronger Demands for Countries like Iran and Syria to conform to demands or else
That would be just a small part of Hillary's revolution.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)OnlinePoker
(5,725 posts)Voting for the corporate stooge and expect things to get better for you. A revolution means actually trying something different for a real change.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)So glad you are against that!
Avalux
(35,015 posts)You tout the results in South Carolina as a "revolution". A revolution of what?
All it tells me is that POC voters in South Carolina bought her "I care about you" schtick hook line and sinker. Name recognition and relentless pandering worked. All the results show is that 1) South Carolina is in no way progressive, and 2) it's a state that means absolutely nothing in the GE.
Go ahead and keep trying to frame it as you wish, if it makes you feel better.
ismnotwasm
(41,999 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)touting.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Well known, insider politician is a revolutionhow?
Locking up more poor urban people that ever beforewhich criminalized poverty and it's victimsis a revolution for, oh, I knowthe usual power brokers.
Must be a third way definition of the meaning of Revolution.
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)ship while there is a tiny chance because if Hillary is the nominee it will be the same as if you elect any Republican.
The money behind H.C. is the same money behind all the Republican candidates.
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whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)isn't really very revolutionary. Clinton the revolutionary, oh my gawd
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Now there's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)When Obama got elected I don't believe I was alone in feeling so much pride in my country. It seemed like everything was possible in America again. I still feel that way - more than ever before.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)erlewyne
(1,115 posts)The times are changing!
I am voting for BERNIE SANDERS !!!
Broward
(1,976 posts)SunSeeker
(51,664 posts)Vinca
(50,303 posts)Any "revolution" on Hillary's part has been created by adopting Bernie's talking points.
bvf
(6,604 posts)GMAFB.
Nice try, but fail.
SciDude
(79 posts)and if that is considered a revolution I suppose she is revolutionary.
Of course it won't matter because she probably won't beat Trump with her abysmal negative trust numbers.
Wibly
(613 posts)Someone has been drinking too much Clinton kool aid.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)I've yet to hear anything real game changing from her campaign. All the Republicans want to roll back Obama's incremental changes. ... Hillary seems to me to want to continue incremental change.... not have a stated goal and then work towards that.
So, please sell me on Hillary so I can determine whether or not she is revolutionary. Evolutionary would be the best word I can use to describe her policies.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Grab a cup of caffeine to clear your head before you start posting. Things that sound clever in the first five seconds, often don't stand up to logic and the test of even a little time. Maintaining the status quo, promoting fascism and an oligarchy, and a 12% turnout does not a Revolution make.
jpb33
(141 posts)Yeah, a revolution for the status quo! Not even tiny, itty bitty, small incremental steps, but the status quo. That incremental step nonsense was nothing but a campaign tactic to counter Bernie's great vision. Hillary is for and only for the status quo. Unless, it is foreign policy and the drug war where she will double down and get America more involved in foreign wars and aggression.
Once (if) she is elected she will quickly revert to supporting and passing trade deals and placing her Wall Street cronies to her cabinet.
And the Hillary sycophants will still make excuses for her. I will not vote for Hillary in the Fall and it will be the Hillary faction of the party that will be at fault when Donald is elected president because they backed a corrupt candidate.
silenttigersong
(957 posts)I consider it the $election vs the revolution.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)A status quo revolution.
It is like of saying change you can believe in, when putting a new diaper on your baby.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)I'm one of those who think PoC are voting drastically against their own best interests. What makes me think this? So many things Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton have done and said.
I am not interested in telling anyone how to vote. Everyone needs to make their own choice. However, the snide derision that we get when trying to point out essential facts in the biographies of Bill and Hillary Clinton is just astounding.
Laughing over things like that, including the likely watering down of basic Social Services like Medicare, Social Security and who knows what else, all because 'we just simply have to do it - face facts" - the thought of that is simply intolerable and likely to wipe the smile off the faces of just about everybody here.
Also, whether there is a "revolution" of Black votes for Hillary or not, that will not be enough to make up for the rest of the lack of enthusiasm and lack of sponsorship from other groups.
It's a sad day when the Democratic Party once again puts forth such a weakened, unProgressive candidate, and I feel sure that whether Bernie can or will win or not, someday soon we are going to do better. The numbers of people who adamantly support him, across the entire political spectrum, lead me to that conclusion.
Thank God! I just wish it could be now.
jpb33
(141 posts)This is just a stupid bumper sticker exclamation, nothing more.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,873 posts)that this would not have happened. Unless you were here in SC you can't realize the enthusiasm and support for the Clinton campaign. If all of your info comes from the postings on DU you are getting a very biased depiction of reality.