I wonder how many congregations in SC

[PeoViejo]

were told to vote for Hillary and if there was a memo that went around to pastors with their marching orders.

Jus' askin'

[valerief]

1. I'd say all of them. nt

[PeoViejo]

3. That's my thinking too... n/t

[2pooped2pop]

2. why do you think Bush put that law into effect

that basically gives churches money to help the poor, or to do as they say if they want to get it?

[PeoViejo]

5. "Hillary will deliver"

..just like the slush fund donors.

[Gregorian]

4. Comfortably numb.

It's sad.

[fleur-de-lisa]

6. This is a really bad idea.

You are suggesting that AAs have to be told how to vote. Yes, I know you didn't mention race, but your intention is clear. Your post comes off as extremely paternalistic. Bernie wouldn't approve and you are not helping his campaign with this type of message. Please reconsider and edit your post or delete.

[PeoViejo]

8. I appreciate your concern.

I think it's a good idea to check-out. The GOP uses this tactic in states like Kansas and Oklahoma. Why wouldn't it work in SC?

[Live and Learn]

25. Why does everyone consider everything to be about AA's exclusively?

The poster didn't mention AA's. The truth is that the majority of people in every demographic of South Carolina attend church religiously and listen to their pastors.

[jzola]

48. You are absolutely right.

I love Bernie. I can't stand most of his supporters on DU.

[JimDandy]

56. This is a known phenomena.

Former LDS here. It is almost a religious calling to corral the church vote. Very similar to what the congressional whips do. The LDS bankroll and membership, and the Black religious vote is what bouyed the anti-gay marriage amendment in CA. In the political arena, you have to know what you're dealing with before you develop a game plan.

No need to delete or edit facts.

[MineralMan]

7. Is that what you wonder?

Are you in SC? Have you been to any churches there? I'm betting that the good people of South Carolina are quite capable of deciding for themselves who to vote for in a presidential primary election. Do you think they need someone to tell them how to cast their votes? Do you pay any attention to people telling you how to vote?

I think you're supposing something that you have no evidence for. That's what I think.

[PeoViejo]

12. I appreciate your concern.

But something smells rotten here.

Go back over the clips of the exit polls and count how many voters say. " Hillary will deliver."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Why would you deprive a person of agency?

When a person casts a ballot that person casts a ballot alone.

[PeoViejo]

17. I don't understand your question.

Let's stay on topic, OK?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. I was on topic, ok...

I don't understand your question. Let's stay on topic, OK?

I was on topic, OK?

The assertion embodied in your seminal post that folks won't do something without being instructed to do so by someone in authority robs them of agency, ergo:

I wonder how many congregations in SC

were told to vote for Hillary and if there was a memo that went around to pastors with their marching orders.

Jus' askin'

What part of suggesting a person can't function without instruction robs that person of agency don't you understand?

Thank you in advance.

[Henhouse]

53. Why isn't their a like button..?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. Why, thank you. It's nice to be noticed.

[Lucinda]

15. The smell is your OP.

Horrible thing to insinuate about democratic voters.

[berni_mccoy]

49. The smell is Hillary:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511362534

[Lucinda]

62. I responded on your linked post rather than commenting here. n/t

[KingFlorez]

18. I agree that something smells rotten here

It's your attitude.

[MineralMan]

26. Yes, something does, indeed, smell rotten.

It is not the votes of South Carolina Democrats, though. It's something else, I think. I'm still trying to locate the source of the odor.

Give me some time, and I'll sniff it out...

[berni_mccoy]

50. Sniff no further. It's Hillary that stinks

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511362534

[FrenchieCat]

9. More "pulled out of my underwear" race based accusations from an unfeeling and smug mentality....

which is sad and quite insulting.

Here may be why the majority of Black folks decided NOT to vote for Bernie Sanders.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118739074

but please continue to call us puppets to pastors. It only helps tally up additional votes to Sanders' opponent
in these primaries.

[sufrommich]

10. Jesus H. Christ.

[stonecutter357]

11. South Carolina just did not like him.

[PeoViejo]

14. Oh, ye Gads. The concern trolls are beating me to a pulp!!!

Thanks for the kicks.

[FrenchieCat]

22. And whom would these concern trolls be?

Let me know if after my 13 years and 68,000+ posts here at DU,
that is what you are suggesting to label me.

Edited to correct +67,000 posts to +68,000 posts.

[PeoViejo]

24. Try to stay on topic, Please.

This is about a potential crime. I am very concerned.

[FrenchieCat]

33. this is about the type of racism that still exist....not only by conservatives,

but by liberals who believe they have the corner market on racial political wisdom.
BREAKING NEWS: You have just insulted most of an entire race based solely on the
their attendance in church.

But continue.....as this is quite enlightening

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. Here is the address for the Attorney General of South Carolina

The Honorable Alan Wilson (Republican)*
P.O. Box 11549
Columbia, S.C. 29211
1-803-734-3970


If you believe crimes were committed you should bring it to his attention.



You're welcome.

* I added that.

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. People aren't concerned. They think your post is sore losery, racist, and stupid

That's not concern. It's contempt.

[okasha]

44. Five hundred miles, five hundred miles,

Five hundred miles, five hundred miles.
You can hear that dog whistle blow
Five hundred miles.

[JimDandy]

59. Hillary supporters were ridiculing Sanders for not having

gone around to the Black churches in SC, and praising Clinton for having done so. You can't have it both ways.

This is a known phenomena, especially in the south, and candidates can ignore it at their peril. The Black and LDS religious vote, and money by the way, is what passed the anti-gay marriage amendment in CA (former LDS who left the church over this very matter.)

[KingFlorez]

16. People voted for who they know

I don't know why it's such a hard concept to realize that Clinton won because people know her.

[PeoViejo]

19. The Irony here is palpable

If they really knew Hillary, my bet is they wouldn't vote for her.

[Live and Learn]

21. Exactly. nt

[FrenchieCat]

28. Continue to underestimate the intelligence of others,

and the overestimation of your own at your peril.

Yours and that of others' condescension of an entire race based on your statements of superiority are duly noted.

Please continue digging.....

[KingFlorez]

47. Apparently they got to know Sanders and didn't like him

They've known Clinton for years and voted for her. Sanders spent money in the state and ended up losing a margin that looked as if he didn't even have staff on the ground.

[Live and Learn]

20. Yep. nt

[Nye Bevan]

27. Well that's kind of condescending and offensive.

The only explanation for them voting that way is because their pastors told them to? Really?

[Starry Messenger]

29. Tragic.

[Thinkingabout]

31. Marching orders? Condesending, I would not go there.

[72DejaVu]

32. Just a friendly reminder to Sanders supporters

Not all the black folks have voted yet.

[FrenchieCat]

34. a fact that appears to have escaped this OP.....

and which I will certainly share via twitter to make certain it is known what "some" Bernie Supporter's theories
are on the AA vote to those who may need additional data to base their decision.....

[PeoViejo]

38. You're grasping at straws.

Stay on topic, please.

[wildeyed]

66. Oh hai!

There is that. Probably didn't get the marching orders from the Queen yet.

[PeoViejo]

36. Where did I reference Race?

Trying to change the topic again and again.

[FrenchieCat]

37. Seriously?

and we are supposed to be the stupid ones?

[PeoViejo]

39. Making shit up.

Don't be obtuse, please.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. It's been a while but when I took the SAT and GRE

It's been a while but when I took the SAT and GRE we had to read passages and divine the intent of the author.


Why do you believe most of the people reading this thread have come to the same conclusion about your intent when writing your seminal post?

Thank you in advance.


Oh, some of your associates have shown up to shower you with Hosannas in this thread. I am surprised they have left you alone on this one.

[1StrongBlackMan]

54. It's a mass conspiracy to misunderstand his/her completely innocent question. eom.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Who told you that telling everybody who disagrees with you to "stay on topic" is a good debate ...

Who told you that telling everybody who disagrees with you to "stay on topic" is a good debate tactic?

I don't want to be a hypocrite and rob you of your agency as I have suggested you want to rob others of their agency so I will leave open the possibility you came up with this idea all by yourself.

[bigtree]

40. suggesting that they can't think for themselves?

...charming.

[FrenchieCat]

42. In addition to everything else....

it points to religious bigotry via prejudicial broad brush insinuations.

[olddots]

43. places of worhip can be very political

they use an umbrella of freedom of religion to wrap themselves in identities .

There is no good answer for this , I used to assume atheists were humanistic socialists for equality
then learned other wise .The biggest freedom humans want is the freedom to be ignorant in some way or another .

[DURHAM D]

46. Unbelievable. nt

[Tarc]

51. Right on! The real question though is who personally delivered the memo?

Was it the Lizard People or the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

[Henhouse]

58. Hey..I'm a Pastafarian...Don't take my God's name in vain....!

[link:|

[gwheezie]

52. Oh lawdy, I sure hope the North saves us from the church people

What with all the voter registration and souls to polls undermining the Democratic party.

[Octafish]

57. Good question. Precinct captains in Detroit are known to attend on Sundays before elections.

Amazing, the newfound religiosity, and all them conversions. Almost can be called a cost effective miracle.

[MaggieD]

60. Oh FFS

How about just considering the fact that MOST VOTERS JUST DONT LIKE HIM???

Particularly minorities. I'm one and I can't stand him.

[PeoViejo]

63. I guess that puts you in the Minority

[MaggieD]

64. Seriously? None of you can look at the polls

... Or the results thus far and figure that YOU are in the minority? LOL!

[PeaceNikki]

61. Odd thing to wonder, don't your think?

[wildeyed]

65. What an awful thing to say.

You have no proof. Like anyone needs to be told with crap like this floating around. Posts like this and y'all still don't get it