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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ten-miles-square/2012/02/a_gasoline_conspiracy_to_set_f035490.php
February 17, 2012 2:33 PM
A Gasoline Conspiracy to Set Fire to the Obama Administration?
By Rick Ungar
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While Wall Streets priority one is to make money, it is clear that, for this year, priority two is the destruction of Barack Obamas presidency. Accordingly, from a Wall Street point of view, it certainly is a happy coincidence that that priority one, making big money on oil speculation, could directly lead to accomplishing their second highest mission.
I am left to wonder whether this is a happy Wall Street coincidence or a clever strategy that could pay off big-time come November.
Gasoline prices have a real time impact on middle-class voters. Can you imagine a better way to make voters good and angry than to insure that they are paying five bucks a gallon for the gasoline that will be powering them to the voting booth in November? And if you subscribe to the theory that the Presidents opponents would like to keep economic growth down until the election is over, what better way to accomplish such a goal than to force a precipitous rise in gas prices?
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Am I simply getting paranoid as the election season is upon us?
Maybe. But there is no disputing that the higher gasoline prices go, the lower the odds that President Obama will be returned to office for a second term.
So, Im just saying
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As a result of what is coming, it might be a good idea for the Obama Administration to start talking about the reasons for rising gas prices and Id start talking about it now. This is one instance where silence is anything but golden and without a plausible explanation as to why the Administration is not responsible for what might be a dramatic rise in gas prices, it may be President Obama who is left holding the pump nozzle come December.
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)Tap the SPR again, and introduce legislation to ban speculation like should have been done the first week of his Administration.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Now they are shutting down another one. A big one in Pa. Gas is getting too expensive.
Pubs will blame lack of new refinery on Dems and Environmental activism. Dont underestimate the danger of $5 gas in late summer into Sept and Oct
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)I am cutting down big time. But I have a Beach Bike. No gas needed. For local stuff.
K Gardner
(14,933 posts)about it. Everytime we hear the pundits talk about the improving economy and how that bodes well for November, in the same breath, we're being warned about $5 gasoline.
How the heck do they know gas will be that much months from now and if they know it, they can surely "fix" it.
I know I'm not a brainiac about this kind of stuff...
But we've seen Obama play chess before.
I don't doubt he'll do it again.
Thrill
(19,178 posts)Flood the markets
Doctor Who
(147 posts)The reserves are there in case of a serious disruption in our access to oil ( war w/ Iran for example). Using the reserves to temporarily lower prices for domestic political reasons would be ill advised.
FogerRox
(13,211 posts)=priority two is the destruction of Barack Obamas presidency?
Why would Wall St want that?
babylonsister
(171,067 posts)FogerRox
(13,211 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)At the end of the day, gasoline is a commodity and it's all about the money. It'd be hard to manipulate the price of gasoline, especially world wide. Truth is, the predictions of high priced gasoline are a bit of a compliment by the speculators. They are anticipating an economy to support prices that high.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)The breathless talk of high gas prices and conspiracy is ultimately just a little side show for people inclined to such nonsense. It won't have the slightest effect on the election.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)In a few years MAYBE, as long as we don't keep (re-)electing Republicans but where exactly are all the jobs that would help support those kind of higher prices? Wouldn't it make more sense for prices to skyrocket WHEN that actually happens? I know that they're "speculating" but still................
Hey, come to think of it, if speculators believe that the economy is going to come roaring back to support prices like what they're talking about, then how can Republicans claim Obama's policies are a failure (or that they're not "good enough" ?
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)One must understand that markets are driven by pluralities, not majorities. Unemployment is at 8%, that means 92% are employed. If only 40% of those employed are "doing well soon", that is sufficient to drive markets significantly.
Don't confuse speculators with the people complaining about Obama's policies. And don't confuse what people say, with how they invest, on either side of the aisle. Truth is, many folks in the 1% agree with us more than the GOP. It's the "wanna be's" that are being fooled.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Compared to the value of a buck.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Prices go up and down based on things out of the Presidents control.. eg.. global demand, geopolitical issues/crises, production from OPEC. We could "drill baby drill" till America looks like a pin cushion and it probably would not make any difference in price.
This is just the latest GOPer talking point since they are running out of other things to bash the President about.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)My Jeep only gets about 16 a gallon.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Bush's "answer" was to send us into a recession. Would that be preferable?
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)KrazeeKrewe
(34 posts)Every gallon of gas sold at the pump contains 10% ethanol & is called E10. Ethanol had replaced 15% of the gasoline sold in this country. 10% was sold as E10 & 5% was sold as E85. On January 1, 2012 the 45 cent tax cut on ethanol was not renewed because the USG needs more tax money. This increased the tax everyone paid at the pump by 5 cents since all gasoline is E10. For E85 users the tax increased by 38 cents per gallon. E85 users switched to E10 gasoline driving up gasoline demand 5% since then. The sudden price spike on the first day of 2012 is the tax hike & the continuing rise is caused by demand increase until the price rises by 38 to 45 cents so E85 use will compete once again holding gas prices in check. Also North Carolina increased their gas tax by 20 cents on the same date.
auburngrad82
(5,029 posts)Gas prices went waaaaay up and Gore, as part of the Clinton administration, payed the price by losing to the Chimp. The Chimp, as part of the oil industry, benefited by getting to play president for eight years.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)What did enable the theft, however, was Ralph Nader's running as a third-party candidate, siphoning votes away from the Democrats. 'Nuff said.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)and that he would tell them to 'open up the spigot' and you know the rest...
Swing voters believed him... they also 'bought' his 'compassionate conservative' BS!
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)First there was the UE rate, but that went down.
Then, there was the contraception issue, but that went away.
Now, there's the gas attack issue.
KrazeeKrewe
(34 posts)Gas prices hit $6.00 in Florida!
$5.99 gas at Suncoast Energys, 5928 Butler National Dr & S Semoran Blvd, Orlando, FL
$5.89 gas at Sun Gas, 5600 Butler National Dr & S Semoran Blvd, Orlando, FL
Source: www.orlandogasprices.com
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)I can not afford it.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Despite the rising prices, there seemed to be ample supplies available. A report showed U.S. crude stockpiles growing more than expected last week, suggesting demand remains sluggish.
The American Petroleum Institute said late Wednesday that crude inventories rose 3.6 million barrels last week while analysts surveyed by Platts, the energy information arm of McGraw-Hill Cos., had predicted an increase of 1.7 million barrels.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-stays-above-106-despite-125301703.html
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Increase in gas prices are the result of speculators fearing supply disruptions in the ME and demand picking up globally. The President has little to no control over that dynamic.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)A president that tries to push environmentally sound energy policies, high gas prices, an Iran crisis. I can't wait to see what else happens over the next eight months. Will there be another "October Surprise"?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Which means it probably the right thing to do.