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Related: About this forumThe Ignorance About the Handling of Classified Material On DU Is Appalling
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The determination of the legality of knowledge and handling of classified material is situational. The holder of a security clearance has a responsibility to use "good judgment" when handling information, even BEFORE it has been formally classified and even if they are creating the material. If you hold a security clearance and you talk about sensitive subjects or disseminate information about sensitive subjects you treat the information as classified until it is determined otherwise.
Some people at Clinton's level, especially her close advisors, must of known the sensitivity of the information they were exchanging even before any formal security classification. Somebody really screwed up, maybe Clinton wasn't aware, but she should have been. You don't play softball with TOP SECRET / S.A.P. material EVER. At the highest levels of government, even if the material wasn't formally classified yet, those who handled it should have know how sensitive it was - unless they were REALLY stupid or really arrogant, or both.
Just because the material may not have been formally classified does not mean that the person with the security clearance is free to disseminate it or to not treat it as classified.
People who have held security clearance know this. They also know that even innocent mistakes in handling classified material can destroy careers, result in fines, and even criminal prosecution.
Making all kinds of puerile excuses is no different than saying, "I stole the donut because I was hungry" or I accidentally drove my car into a crowd of people, I really didn't mean to kill anyone. The "excuses" I've seen on this board show an appalling ignorance of the law.
olddots
(10,237 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)No I feel guilty
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Kudos for bring it up though!
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Discussing it, nothing would ever get done.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)I said situational. You don't have to self-classified that you bought a tuna sandwich for lunch (in most situations).
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Tuna sandwich wouldnt surprise me.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)True, a huge amount is mundane, but that argument (fact) is not a defense.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Accessing those documents tends to take longer, depending on your level of clearance. But, again, with the right clearance level, access tends to go pretty quick.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Amazing, in this day and age!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)to the President of the United States? That is the shit that we are talking about that is well, shit, born classified.
And that was in one of the letters sent by Sidney Blumenthal, who incidentally had no clearance.
here you go
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN0QQ0BW20150821
One of the early stories on this well crap.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Hillary was specifically told that she couldn't hire him by Obama. She then goes and sets up backdoor intelligence operation. Crazy stuff! That said, if you read his reports Sid has given sold info that reads like an NSA report.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I wonder if the feds will offer sid a plead misdemeanor for the crown jewels? Yes that is very much a watergate reference.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Hillary has just recently started talking about if there was classified info mishandled it wasn't her that did it. Meaning her staff and I know they are loyal but they gotta have ears.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)saturday night massacre comes to mind. I have missed that one.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Have brush up 😂
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I was thinking, they are on a timeline, political calendar. They were supposed to wrap this up in December, yes I remember that, they are adding people. I suspect they are going to seal the indictment.
This is either we indict, or we look worst than Nixon. Not enviable position. I think they will, becuase if they don't and Trump wins, he is going to make this the trial of the century.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)then Comey will be forced to resign. Nasty business, enormous crisis.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and indict. The reason for the seal is that it could be a problem for the prosecution.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I might be wrong but I think that was the first time that was confirmed. It seems like things are definitely moving.
I also agree that the DOJ won't block indictment. IMHO Obama doesn't want that Mark on his legacy. Also Michelle and Valerie don't care for the Clinton's.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I wonder if they will give her a slap like a certain general...
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)It would end her run. I've mentioned that Hillary's situation is much worse. She gave the server to a company to host that wasn't approved by any means.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)People for real have died on this one.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Only a fool would think that it wasn't hacked. The security on that server was so tight that multiple phishing emails got through with worms facing back to Russia, China, Germany and Isreal. And if you read the email chain to Huma, it looks like Hillary tried to open the zip! Crazy stuff
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)another person who had no clearance
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clintons-emails-final-batch-released/story?id=37281987
For god sakes we always had to be careful when emailing people in the Navy. And we were not in the service either.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Are livid? The more I think about it the more I realize that Obama won't let this slide. There'd be a revolt
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Revolt... or mass resignation. They feel that they are pawns in the game.
Of course, I am always thinking to myself... ultimate pawns are foreign assets, but field agents, pawns as well. This would make it way too obvious as to how ahem disposable they are. It removes al pretense, if you get my drift.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)On a side note. Now that the state has declared that all emails have been released. I think the FBI will compare them to what they have. I do think that is one of the reasons we aren't seeing any movement on the surface.
We need to remember that the judge ordered the St Dept to contact and coordinate with the FBI and the FBI told them it's not happening. There has been minimal if any contact between the two agencies.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)god, we are still on that pesky calendar
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I think some people will be having conniption fits lol
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)for the same exact reasons
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Normal back and forth. Classified is the lowest classification and contains no sensitive info. It would be gridlock if we had to wait.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)you have no clue... honestly,
Any material that mentions in passing a head of state is born classified. One with a fucking message to the president of the united state from the prime minister is classified. What the hell was Blumenthal doing having that material? Once again, sidney blumenthal was NOT an employee at the State Department nor did he have any fucking clearances.
By the way Jane, the mundane material like this, assuming it is that mundane, does not see the unclassed stamp for 25 years.
For shitty sake, I knew that was a big uh oh when I read the name cameron and the message, And all my experience is from fucking historical archives. So if I could tell, there is no excuse for her not to know, or her top level staff.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)It is still considered sensitive and amalgamate data can reveal all manor of information. All government information is treated as if sensitive and not for public consumption until it has been approved for public release... usually through the agency PR person, and with the approval of senior admin.
Unclassified (FOUO) would be the mundane material you were mentioning.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)If you are a government official or contractor you likely have access to a lot of this stuff. You have a background check, usually at hiring and you are not hired if you are deemed unsuitable for FOUO, but the background check is much less intrusive than that for a clearance.
Still, FOUO is internal to the government and there are penalties if you screw up.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)it was "mundane" to her.
Very enlightening.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)If that helps you sleep better.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)You have stated it clearly - clueless.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)A spokeswoman for one of the foreign governments whose information appears in Clinton's emails said, on condition of anonymity to protect diplomatic relations, that the information was shared confidentially in 2009 with Clinton and her senior staff.
If so, it appears this information should have been classified at the time and not handled on a private unsecured email network, according to government regulations.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)in other words, it is classified the moment you type it.
People are in jail for a lot less than this. In fact, HUMINT assets have probably died due to this.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)What is also amazing after reading this is the hubris displayed by the Obama administration with her at State over Snowden, who had more understanding in his little finger over what should be trusted to be shared and for what reasons in the spy network.
Just SAYING.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)I find it striking that the e-mails Hillary had were not labeled, in clear violation of standard operating procedures.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Wonder if there are any remakes out there.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)go to the bookstore and ye shall find them
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I am also a fan
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)"Classified is the lowest classification" Not True, classified is a general term for the clearance levels. The levels are:
Top Secret ( "Q" at the Department of Energy) which also has sub categories such as Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) and Special Access Program (SAP).
Secret
Confidential
All three of the above are classified.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Janey
There is sensitive and it goes from there
But you keep with that.
Same link
But the details in those "Classified" stamps which include a string of dates, letters and numbers describing the nature of the classification appear to undermine this account, a Reuters examination of the emails and the relevant regulations has found.
READ WHAT THE OP told you about a second ago.
For the record, many of the emails I downloaded from the FOIA room, and read... were also marked NO FOR, no foreigner. The articles is telling classified stamps, not what or which they are.
Try reading that carefully. They are not going to tell you every type of classification, The people Reuters interviewed, have what is known in the business as FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE, and telling Reuters the significance of each of those stamps, puts them at legal jeopardy.
Of course you keep with hollywood, This shit has been explained a thousand times to you guys. She is in actual, for real, legal jeopardy and this is not a RW conspiracy. They will have to decide SOON, if they are going to charge.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Is the "Declassify on" date and the code next to it. If it was born classified the code would indicate 10 years after the date of the document. If truly retroactive it would be 10 years after the the date of processing. There's plenty of both types in regards to her emails.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)There are quite a few levels outside the three you cite.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Jesus H Christ... that had not occurred to me.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)Google is your friend, do you homework. Ignorance is not an excuse for incorrect posts.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)confidential no for
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)in there,
Impedimentus
(898 posts)One is agency has "for departmental use only" . It's not classified, you are just not supposed to talk about the information outside the "Department" and its supposed to be locked up at night. You aren't supposed to share it with the public or even with another government agency, but the penalties are not criminal. If you screw up you might find yourself working in the third level subbasement of the building, with a bare lightbulb, a table for a desk and a three legged chair.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)There are no documents marked classified anywhere in our government. They are labeled secret, top secret etc.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)I was Nuclear Engineer in the Navy and all our reactor related materials where mostly Confidential with some being Top Secret. As Dept IT guy who handled all computers we had computers that where for Confidential+ documents only and anything that was on them was considered classified Confidential. Hell everything we did related to plant was deemed classified just so there was no question about it. If I made a word document with steps involved in shutting down a breaker for maintenance it was marked Confidential.
For Clinton to have a non sanctioned computer that had potential of getting a Classified document is a serious breach of security guide lines. But then again I was just a scrub military person and not one ruling elite like her.
840high
(17,196 posts)a nasty man.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and he is a clinton loyalist going back to the 90s
randome
(34,845 posts)...dissing someone who is conversing with you -without rancor, I might add.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The way FBI is going about this, they might offer Sidney less time, or no time, maybe time served (and 24 hours in the local jail) in exchange for the Crown Jewels. That will test his loyalty. And I am sure a few others may receive a similar offer.
The FBI, unlike the Congress, does not play games. But they are on a political timeline.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...with different rules for SecStates. Notably, no SecState is going to be prosecuted for slackness.
I don't think anything alleged about Clinton's handling of information is worse than what must have been done routinely by her predecessors. Political appointees with little or no experience with classified information aren't going to make the "best" decisions, especially on the still relatively new frontier of e-mail.
But I'm all ears if this gets around to specific charges.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)But if you are ever involved with classified material and screw up you can be toast. It is serious business with potentially severe legal penalties. The casual treatment of classified material has ended a lot of promising careers. It may not seem fair, but it is the law.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)When I was in Nuclear Power School some training books where misplaced and they came into all our dorms and went threw all our lockers/drawers for hours trying to find them. And they where Confidential and really was based on crap you could get on any college campus in a Nuclear Engineering book. But since some of it had a few numbers like water pressure and temp it was blanketed classified.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)is going to be prosecuted for slackness?
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Has always been the weakest link concerning classified.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that unless you have ever had the pleasure of knowing how this shit works, is a mystery wrapped in an enigma. The only reason at this point I give then a "pass" is that this has been explained by more than a few people here, in ways that will not get anybody in trouble.
The emai I referred to in my answer to Janey is one I actually downloaded from the FOIA room and I turned to my husband and went oh oh. But we both have a clue.
As to the tuna sandwitch... yup if that working lunch includes sources and methods.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)Maybe I'm a little harsh. But I've seen careers ended, usually because of a minor or even innocent error in judgement. But, at the top levels of government people know the rules. All too often, IMO, it's hubris and not ignorance that creates problems. Judgement is important.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the ship of state is the only one that leaks from the top.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)from 1966. Do you think I can get rid of those now?
Joe Deasy
(3 posts)All work related correspondence produced or exchanged by government employees belongs to the people. It doesn't matter if its classified. It doesnt matter if the email was the White House' dinner menu. It belongs to the people. That's why the correct email address for any government business always ends in ".gov".
Everyone who ever sent her work related email to her "@clintonone.com" address knew, or should have known, that it was illegal to do so.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Whatever it was at the time it was sent, it didn't need to be sitting on a private server.
It's not as if these emails were all sent on the same day. Was there not an awareness that emails sent before were now classified and sitting on that damned server? Was there no concern?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)....but she ordered staff to circumvent the law by doctoring classified documents by copying the text to fresh "paper" that did not have the official marks that would prevent transmission of the document.
Willful alteration of classified documents to avoid the restrictions that preserve/guarantee secrecy.
revbones
(3,660 posts)I've said it elsewhere, but it bears repeating here. Hillary supporters have grown immune to the facts of this because they are so used to right-wing smear jobs, that any negativity toward her is automatically rejected. She literally can do no wrong to them at this point.
There will probably be the typical superficial arguments about something classified after the fact, or a mention of the right-wing judicial watch group, and so on. It doesn't change the facts. Classified materials were mishandled. There are many people serving jail sentences for less right now.
For those that have handled classified materials the facts are obvious. I know there are some technical aspects, but my god. There are 100+ FBI employees investigating this, in addition to DOJ personnel and so on. She deleted over 30,000 emails before handing things over. Does none of this stand out to Hillary supporters that she just might have done something wrong?!?
Impedimentus
(898 posts)but it's sad to see the right-wing mindset so prevalent among Democrats.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)but the media has done a terrible job of explaining how the system of how the handling classified material works. Of course, most of them are clueless too.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)it is a catch 22
As you know, if you read about, let's use a fictional novel, the Red October leaving Murmansk in the New York Times... or for that matter Pravda, I got a funny story about that one, that is third hand knowledge. But if you actually sit down and write the story and have the NYT publish it and you are a first hand knowledge, you can go to jail.
This is why a lot of the folks that looked at that material for Reuters did not go into any of the meaning of the stamps.
Now here is the funny story, Gulf War II, I read it on Pravda, and sent it to the Senator from Hawaii that the Russians were sending a sub to the Gulf. Sub to the gulf on the front pages. So during the hearings, I am in Hawaii, they are not that late, on CSPAN. the Senator asks Wolfowitz about the Russians sending a sub to the gulf and whether they were worried about it. You'd think wolfie was just hit on the gut. He immediately of course involked CLOSED SESSION.
So the Senator took the print out and told him no cigar, since the Russians were not making any secrets and it was on the front page of PRAVDA ENGLISH EDITION. I have never seen Wolfowitz so dang crestfallen
But that is why you have not seen a competent nuts and bolts story on American papers. And quite frankly I do not trust wikipedia to be completely correct.
olddots
(10,237 posts)about the actual technicalities about this .
revbones
(3,660 posts)That you won't see a single Hillary supporter indicate that there might just be some small legitimacy to the email scandal without just shrugging it off as nothing
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)If someone has access to raw intelligence, that person is responsible for correctly classifying whatever is passed along. I haven't handled any classified information since it was print on paper, but I assume there is a way to attach electronic headers, etc. when the material is originated. How did all these classified messages get sent to Clinton without first being classified? I don't see how it's possible that people are sending messages to her without classifying them. Were they leaving classification to the recipient? Is this allowed now? I don't see how. Where did all these messages come from? Why aren't the sources having their feet held to the fire?
Impedimentus
(898 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:18 AM - Edit history (1)
For example, communication between the Secretary and an ambassador may of itself warrant a classification. The people should know that their correspondence would merit classification and they must use DUE DILIGENCE. The very act of communication on a private server may be a security violation if the contents of the communication could be classified.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Apparently Clinton thought some of the information she was receiving was classified
hence the need to verify the classification status of that message before forwarding it.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clintons-emails-final-batch-released/story?id=37281987
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)moondust
(19,993 posts)I can understand how somebody with Presidential ambitions might want to protect their high-level communications from prying eyes that may be connected to the opposition party.
I can also understand how somebody could develop a certain sense of elite privilege and immunity after almost ten years of living in a state governor's mansion, eight years of living in the White House, six years of rubbing elbows in the U.S. Senate, and being on close terms with many of the biggest movers and shakers in business and government including the President.
I had a top secret clearance 40 years ago and nobody I worked with would have dared to talk about work outside a secure area, much less put anything in writing and pass it around in unsecured channels.
There's no substitute for good judgment.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)If this was still the Bush Admin, we'd be rolling out 500+ rec OPs about how bad this was.
The "confusion" comes from the fact that it was during a D admin with the current D superpower candidate.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)unblock
(52,253 posts)people mishandle classified information *all the time*. it is routine and commonplace and rarely are people dinged in any way for it.
yes, they train you that a single violation can land you 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. and it's true, it can. but compared to the actual incidence of mishandling of classified information, such sentences are extremely rare.
for a couple years i held a secret level classification. after an exercise we met some p-3 fighter pilots who participated in the exercise and they regaled us with story after story, dumping *huge* amounts of highly classified intel for which they absolutely knew that none of us had any "need to know" and few, if any, of us had the requisite clearance level (top secret, probably compartmented as well).
because that's the reality. no one is going to go after fighter pilots the navy has spent millions to train for technically violating the law on handling classified information for telling a story to people who had clearance, but not at the right level.
and that's merely one small example of things i witnessed, never mind the many more stories i heard about sloppy or cavalier handling of classified material.
and if you think about it, this makes sense, because many laws are not enforced 100% of the time for all sorts of reasons.
i'm not saying the clinton situation is exactly the same, of course the details are different. what i am saying is that it's not enough to merely point out that someone technically mishandled classified information because that's as common as jaywalking and usually rather less consequential. in order to know whether or not one should care, many things matter, such as motive, the natural of the classified information, whether or not national security was genuinely at stake, etc.
another problem is that the government is very quick to classify information and very, very slow to declassify it. as a result, a lot of "classified" information is actually very well-known public information by now, or information which, if you heard it, you would say, "really? that's classified? why?" as a result, innocent mistakes are very easy.
sure, something like current troop locations is obviously going to be classified information. but other things are not at all obviously classified, so if you're creating content, it's easy to slip in some classified information without realizing it.
so let's not get all riled up about the letter of the law in this area, because it's not nearly as cut and dried as one might think.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)But there are plenty of agencies, including departments within the State Department, where such sloppiness is not tolerated.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Unless you are talking of a much older plane
In fact P stand for patrol. while F stands for Fighter.
After that you are telling us a nice cool story, and I wonder when you were in the united states navy? Because these days, that would mean people would ended face prison time. That does not mean there are no security violations, but...
unblock
(52,253 posts)mixing up some stories from the early 90's. i wasn't "in" the navy but working for a military contractor.
i participated in a couple of military exercise, one in a military facility and another on board a destroyer. i met both p3 pilots and fighter pilots. all the pilots were very loose with the stories.
my point is, yes, there are cases where on minor incident gets you prison time.
but there are many more cases where multiple, repeated violations go ignored.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But contractors also seem to live by different rules, to the never ending frustration of service members.
unblock
(52,253 posts)where i worked, people were *far* more worried about getting fired for a security lapse than getting prison time.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I made that as a general comment
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)1. Hillary is running for commander in chief and if the example is that she doesnt have to follow the letter of the law. That would be bad precedent.
2. Electronic spillage is in a whole other ball park than what you are describing.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Manning was not the 'top secret' material that normally would result in the charges filed against her. They argued she deliberately excluded anything that was classified as 'top secret' and that the material she did release, as you pointed out, some of which was marked 'classified' was a result of OVER CLASSIFICATION.
Gates eg, stated that no real secret information was released by Manning. Add to all that the fact that Manning is a Whistle Blower and in democracies Whistle Blowers are generally treated differently than people who are acting for other reasons, on the 'public's need to know v the government's need to keep things secret from the people'.
Hillary, when asked about the Manning case stated that 'We MUST protect our Classified Information' agreeing with the prosecution.
Now take Hillary, she was SOS. One of the offices that has access to the most senitive material and one of the MOST responsible positions, unlike Manning who was merely an analyst.
So by her own words, mishandling classified information IS a crime. She didn't excuse it on the basis of over classification as Manning's attorneys tried to do.
However, she has NOW used that defense herself, that the government overclassifies material and therefore much of what is being called 'classified' shouldn't be.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...over a few casual mistakes. There appears to be a pattern aimed at circumventing the classification system with Clinton at one point giving orders to do so. It seems incredible to me that Clinton could be such an amateur. If that's what it was then she is a danger to us all. But I suspect she has so much to hide she took these risks. I've little doubt the FBI is after what she was hiding rather than amateur time at the State Department.
And we need to remember this is NOT a bunch of nutball Republican congress-creeps. This is OBAMA'S Dept. of Justice!
Duppers
(28,125 posts)"Scientist found guilty of mishandling classified material"
PoliticalMalcontent
(449 posts)We'll see how that plays in a general election. My guess: Not well. I know I'm fuckin' pissed about her carelessness. She doesn't care though. All she cared about was that it made things convenient for her, security of the country be damned.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)They've picked their candidate, so FACTS be damned.
jmowreader
(50,560 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)Start a new thread and I'll consider responding.
Can't wait to hear it.
amborin
(16,631 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)The cat often walks across the keyboard and almost always hits the caps button well as starting iTunes in the background. He's bigger than me so I don't always get around to correcting the problem right away.
Sorry about that, thank you for raising the issue.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)sued for mishandling such sensitive information.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Hillary Clinton needed hand-holding with her daily schedule and was 'often confused' while she was secretary of state, her former top aide and 'body woman' Huma Adebin wrote a colleague in a January 2013 email.
The message, to coworker Monica Hanley, followed a back-and-forth about Clinton's schedule of calls with foreign leaders, including an 8:00 a.m. appointment to speak with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
'Have you been going over calls with her for tomorrow? So she knows singh ls at 8?' Abedin asked Hanley just before 5:00 p.m. on a Saturday.
'She was in bed for a nap by the time I heard that she had an 8am call,' Hanley replied three minutes later. 'Will go over with her.'
'Very imp to do that. She's often confused,' Abedin told her.
fter the deadly terror attacks in Benghazi, Libya.
Clinton missed a meeting at the White House for President Obama's daily national security briefing because she overslept.
Hanley emailed Clinton at 9:17 that morning to let her know that White House Senior Adviser Dan Pfeiffer' had 'some sensitive items that he would like to personally show you when he arrives.'
Clinton didn't reply until 10:43, hearly an hour and a half later.
'ust woke up,' she told Hanley, 'so i missed Dan. Could he come back after I finish my calls?'
Read more: and there is more
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz41YMt1e6c
She misses a presidential security briefing, handles classified material like it doesn't matter, uses a private server, etc.
This story tells more than it says than just about her nappy time needs. Boy that three AM phone call comes to mind or like when Hitler slept in while the Allies landed on Normandy and nobody could move the Panzers until he woke up.
''She is often confused'' said from a Trusted loyal Hillary aide ..............well, there you go.
Oh, and this email wasn't classified ....you can read it if you doubt it at the link or on line.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Your comment should be an OP.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)The possibilities of that level of hubris are simply too horrible to contemplate. That may explain the depths of denial and willful ignorance on the part of her most ardent supporters. A vicious cycle waiting to unwind to the next step, whatever that brings.
Interesting post and thread. Thank you.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...Benghaziiii!
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Fred Drum
(293 posts)should i keep my "thoughts" to myself
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)People who have worked in the intelligence community have long recognized that fact.
It's a pity, really.