As a Democrat and a citizen of the United States living in Washington state

[angrychair]

I take great offense to this "its over" meme. After Saturday's vote, 96% of Democrats still have not voted. As a citizen and a Democrat, I have a right to vote and not be disenfranchised by a bunch of self-righteous assholes.
Not to mention that the largest population centers in the country and the only ones that matter in the winning of the General Election for a Democrat have not voted yet. With all due respect to my friends in the South, No Democratic Party victory is going to hinge of the vote in Georgia.

How about you let the voters living on the West coast have their say before screaming "victory".

[NWCorona]

1. Where in WA are you located?

[angrychair]

4. Olympia

Do you live in my new home?

[Matariki]

11. hey neighbor to the south!

[angrychair]

33. Must be Seattle

Love living here. Favorite place I've lived beside Italy.

[Matariki]

34. Italy!!!

Me too!

[angrychair]

35. military brat?

Just curious...

[Matariki]

36. Nope.

Just love Italy.

[angrychair]

37. Lived there for several years

many years ago.

[Matariki]

38. Dove?

Abitavo a Roma.

[angrychair]

41. È stato bella

Vicenza near Verona

[lumberjack_jeff]

13. Hi Neighbor!

And the OP is spot on - those who consider it important that we not get an opportunity to vote are douchenozzles.

[NWCorona]

20. Seattle, so pretty much yes!

And I agree with your post!

[JimDandy]

31. Hey there-from your western WA neighbor.

[angrychair]

32. Greetings!

Glad to be here

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. Battle Ground - K&R

[Mike__M]

81. Cowlitz Country! (n/t)

I'm in Lewis County --the big red sore thumb poking into blue west side.

[chwaliszewski]

63. Camas

Just east of Vancouver. I will be caucusing for the Bernster on Mar 26th.

[Generic Other]

83. Tacoma

Our votes matter, dammit!!

[Rockyj]

84. Me live in Bellingham, WA

& work FT & drive just before Everett WA 5 days a WEEK (approx., 596 miles per week)! I have not seen ONE Hillary bumper sticker or lawn sign driving anywhere in western Washington, ONLY Bernie bumper stickers & lawn signs!

[NWCorona]

93. Same here but truthfully I'm not looking to hard lol!

BTW, Chuckanut drive is awesome!

[woofless]

112. We're up the hill

in Maple Falls. Looking forward to caucus for Bernie, and I don't know anyone who will caucus for Hillary.

[Le Taz Hot]

2. I'm in California.

I feel your pain.

[LibDemAlways]

60. Me too. It's ridiculous that the

voters in the states with the greatest number of electoral votes are unable to have their voices heard now. June is still 3 months away. Maybe a nationwide primary is the answer? Regardless, it's a sure bet that no one with a D after their name will win in the South in November.

[LittleGirl]

87. Spot On

a nationwide primary is what I think is needed, just like the general only on one day, the same day for everyone. If nothing else, have a round two, a couple of months later. This spread of primary dates is awful and frustrating! That's how they do it in Europe. We need to adopt that too.

[elljay]

108. Making this Point

got me banned from the Hillary group.

I've lived in Georgia and, with all due respect to Democrats who live there, they absolutely are not representative of those of us who live on the Left Coast. It is time we demanded to be at the head of the primary process, not at the back!

[onehandle]

3. Is something stopping you from voting?

I didn't think so.

[angrychair]

8. Clinton cultist and M$M premature victory lap

is meant to make it seem irrelevant. Amazing considering the only states that really matter to a Democratic Party victory in the General Election and the lion share of delegates in the primary, haven't voted yet

[onehandle]

9. Please vote.

Voting is fun.

[nichomachus]

24. Not when your choice

Is between Trump and Mrs. Clinton

[elljay]

109. A Formerly Republican Friend

described the choice as being between Benito Mussolini and Lucrezia Borgia.

[Bubzer]

89. The subject of the OP is very much not about voting... but disenfranchisement attempts.

But you knew this. Stop being so disingenuous.

[druidity33]

122. Wow, that's your response? Really? whatever... nt.

[Maedhros]

5. It's propaganda targeted at low-information voters who trust the media.[n/t]

[sammythecat]

104. You got it!

That is exactly what it is. And propaganda is just the political subset of the word "lie". Where, oh where would she be without her lies?

[liberal_at_heart]

6. I'm in WA too and I also take great offense to the whole it's over crap.

[LisaM]

7. I support a two-person race for as long as both candidates want to stay in.

Frankly, I haven't really seen many people suggesting otherwise. It was a boon for the party in 2008, keeping voters engaged for a lot longer (and it probably encouraged new registrations, too).

I do wish Washington wasn't holding its caucus on Easter Weekend. I would have liked to have gone out of town for the weekend, but I won't be able to (yes, I know I can submit an affidavit for the first round of voting, but I want to be able to vote on the platform, too).

[angrychair]

15. All due respect LisaM

I appreciate the sentiment, I do, but you need look no further than GD P to see the "victory lap" in progress.

[AlbertCat]

45. Frankly, I haven't really seen many people suggesting otherwise.

Ive seen Sanders declared "toast" ..... after Iowa!

[LisaM]

46. I see a couple that perhaps assume Hillary will end up winning the nomination

But I don't see a single thread asking Sanders to drop out (which is pretty much the opposite of how it was in 2008, when Obama supporters were enraged that Hillary dared stay in). I actually think it would be bad for either candidate to drop out now; not only does it disengage people in states where they vote later (and we're just talking a month or two, really), it will allow the networks to focus strictly on the Republicans, which I assume no one here wants. Certainly not me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. The primary as is, favors heavily conservative states

but that is by design... and I agree. In fact this should be be a NATIONAL election. But that is another discussion After the mess we are going to go though, it might happen.

[rufus dog]

73. Not even that hard to fix

Have 10 election nights. Take a state from each time zone plus one wildcard. Divide up the top ten states by Electorial votes so each primary night has one of the top ten. Space them every two weeks. Random draw for which states go first. Also weight the damn thing, for example California would be tied with Wyoming or Alabama so the least likely Dem win would be tied with the most likely.


Equitable, yes, but then us liberal states have an equal say in the outcome which is what the fuckers don't want. Thus Californians, the biggest mother fucking prize, gets June, while the South gets the prime spot. And yes as a Californian it pisses me off.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. Well CA told the parties

you want it earlier, PAY FOR IT. When the state tried in 2000 and 2004 it was way, way, way expensive.

For some odd reason the two parties don't want to. And the state is fine wiht it, keeping them away from the actual process... hell, at times I think some in the state would love to make the Secretary of State like all county Registrar ... a civil service post.

Of course if we went the WA route and had this as mail in only ballot, the state might be willing to go for an earlier primary. It would cut, by the back of envelope math, by about half

[rufus dog]

75. By design

Gives the most conservative Democratic candidate the momentum. It would be like the Republicans having a Big 10 or Pac 12 Super Tuesday. Not going to happen, but the Dems happily go along with the SEC primary.

Sanders won more blue States tonight than Clinton, Hillary had impressive wins in Massachusetts and Virginia. The actual story is we have a contested race. But, by design, we have a story that Hillary is the overwhelming choice.

[nadinbrzezinski]

77. You got no argument from me

I am just explaining that CA tried in 2000 and 2004, and I mean the state, not the parties. The cost was very high, and the RoI (those two years super Tuesday was huge) was small regarding the influence for national elections,

The state, not the parties, is slowly moving the way of WA. So if they do, we are now into automatic registration at the DMV for example starting in 2017, and my county has a large majority do absentee. the STATE might try this again.

I feel the primary system is way broken, it is by design, it needs to be fixed. I'm just giving you the reason why we are not doing primaries earlier.

[tk2kewl]

12. New York concurs

[angrychair]

21. Thank you New York!

Wasn't leaving you out either ( ). There is still a long ways to go: CA, NY, IL, OH, MI and so many more. All states that are far more representative of a GE than Super Tuesday.

[tk2kewl]

27. My ignore list is pretty short - but it grew by a few tonight

[potone]

56. I'm in Oregon and I feel the same way.

It is very aggravating. It is as if the West Coast doesn't exist. Let's band together for Bernie!

[passiveporcupine]

65. Oregon here

I want my vote to count too!

[Codeine]

14. I'm in California. It's almost always over when it gets here. Numbers are numbers.

It's a crappy set of circumstances, but nobody really works to change it. We just wait four years and bitch about all over again. Our own fault, really.

[Buzz cook]

16. See you at the caucuses

Well not you personally of course, but in spirit...well not in spirit cause I don't believe in the super natural, so in fellowship...well not that I think you're a male by default, so in the shared belief that participation is the sine qua non of democracy.. not that I want to place my own beliefs on you.

[angrychair]

29. Awesome Response Buzz

In fellowship is good! I will be there. Well, here, not where you live but at the caucus. Not your caucus, I don't think. My caucus.
Very excited. I haven't lived here that long so this will be my first presidential election caucus, well, in my whole life. Never lived in a caucus state.

[Trajan]

17. Oregon here ...

We keep sending money, and we'll continue to do so until the glorious end ....

It's hard to watch the self immolation in the South, but, there is nothing I can do about that ...

[CaliforniaPeggy]

18. It sure as hell isn't over. We in CA don't vote till JUNE.

[msongs]

19. if bernie was winning his crowd would do the same thing. that's politics for everyone lol nt

[Gwhittey]

28. IF Bernie was winning it would be over for

Clinton because the South is general more moderate dems than the big Lib states. She would be going into panic mode right now if numbers where switched because she would see that in Big states after 15th they numbers start working for Sanders.

[dana_b]

22. Thank you. As a Californian,I completely agree n/t

[Peace Patriot]

23. I'm with you. California here.

Talk about disenfranchised!

Biggest, most progressive state in the nation, and we don't count to these yahoos!

[yuiyoshida]

99. Yes, California votes on June 7th

and I, for one, am ready!

[Raster]

26. Didn't you get the memo? HRH HRC ("Herself") and her supporters have deemed....

...the primaries OVER! It does NOT MATTER than 96% of the Democratic Party has not cast their vote for their candidate of choice. DOES NOT MATTER!!!

Chief Clinton Bootlicker and Party Illuminati, Debbie Wasserman-Schitz, has decreed that "it makes no sense for this to continue, when it is clear Her Royal Hillaryness has won."

[Impedimentus]

30. You should be offended

Thank you for your post.

[Karma13612]

39. I agree with you 1000000000%

But, don't sweat it.

Seriously.

Bernie said in his VT victory speech just tonight that he is going to make sure that every state gets to have their voices heard.

He is taking this to the convention.

I am so happy he was this open about it.

I can confidently quiet all the naysayers that I run into.

Bernie is not quitting. And noone can make him.
If he continues to tap into his supporters for contributions, he can keep going..

[Milliesmom]

42. I'm in Tacoma and I am with you.

[retrowire]

43. as an east coaster i say i agree with you.

after tonight only 24% of delegates will have been distributed.

this is FAR from done.

anyone saying otherwise is wishing the inevitable away. lol good luck with that. this just started.

[Depaysement]

44. This REAL Brooklynite total agrees

Cast and count ALL THE VOTES.

[zentrum]

47. K+R!

[Jack Rabbit]

48. It's not over

What they don't get at Camp Weathervane is that Hillary can be elected president, and for us it still won't be over.

Revolutions are like that. They take more than one elections cycle.

[Ken Burch]

49. We are fighting on in Alaska, too(our caucus is at the end of March)

There has never been any good reason for anyone to insist that Super Tuesday would be the end of the campaign.

Why should it be?

Why shouldn't everyone want Democrats all over the country to have their say in this?

[ReallyIAmAnOptimist]

50. Thank you! [Bellevue here]

Perfect rant!

Actually I'm very happy with Bernie's showing today, we all knew HRC was favored in most of today's states and Bernie just needed to do the best he could to minimize the gap, and he's done that.

Chin up Bernistas... the road ahead is lookin good.

[artislife]

78. On the eastside as well!

And I agree. This night is far better for Bernie than they imagined it would be.

Love to Colorado, Minnesota, Oklahoma-OK! and of course, Vermont.

Loved the fight in MA and Tex. I know one was close and the other wasn't, but the numbers in TX gave me a spark.

[padruig]

51. Caucuses are coming ...

here is Washington (the Other) State, we're fast approaching caucus time

schools and community centers are being prepared

it is very exciting !

[bkkyosemite]

52. Exactly! Here in Oregon...Geeze.............The lady has a long way to go before she

............sings

[Amimnoch]

53. 2383

That's how many delegates are needed to clinch the Primary.

I differ from a number of my fellows in agreeing with you on that note. Of course, I am quite happy to see the success of the candidate I support going on tonight, but that doesn't blind me to the fact that it is not a completed race yet.

On the second point you made.. If we go by that, no Democratic victory is going to hinge on the vote in Washington, or Oregon, or California. Let's be honest, Sanders or Clinton will pull those states in a General.. You are right in as much as neither of them is likely to pull Georgia in a General. Alabama is also quite laughable. Texas (as much as I will work my ass off here to make it happen for either Hillary or Sanders) isn't a reality either.

Virginia on the other hand.. that one is rather important tonight. Virginia is going to be one of the critical swing states.. as will Florida, Ohio (hell No president has won without Ohio's electoral votes since Kennedy), Colorado, Nevada, Wisconsin, and North Carolina.

[angrychair]

58. Good response

I only disagree about CA, no Dem is going to win without CA or NY. On that note, without WA or OR, it is hard to pull enough EV to make a good win, unless you pull them from other sources like FL or IN or ND or some less-than-likely source.

I was campaigning for PBO in 2008 and 2012 in Virginia. It was a lot of fun and a lot of hard work. It was a lot of work but I question if HRC has the ability to win over VA like PBO did. Winning Virginia two cycles in a row was a unique accomplishment. It had a lot more to do with Obama than him just being a Democrat. He is an amazing man and people really want to like him. Don't see it in the cards for HRC , that likable factor just isn't there for her, I could be wrong though.

[Amimnoch]

85. Oh, I don't mean they are unimportant, just that they are pretty much a given.

From last night, the swing state results are the ones that i, personally was watching closest:
Virginia - Hillary, Colorado - Bernie

From before last night:
Iowa and Nevada are swingers, and will play a more important role in the General.

The other states, you can pretty much put money down on how they are going to perform in the General:
New Hampshire - Hillary or Bernie in the primary, NH is a (D) in the general.
South Carolina - Hillary or Bernie in the primary, SC is a (R) in the general.
Alabama - LOL
Arkansas - Being the Clinton home state, this one might actually be able to be a (D) if she's the candidate, but at only 6 electoral votes, it's not going to be a big player either way.
Georgia - (R)
Massachusetts - (D)
Minnesota - (D)
Oklahoma - (R)
Tennessee - (R)
Texas - (R)
Vermont - (D)


To be honest, I'm really most interested in seeing how Florida and Ohio (practically the 2 kingmaker states for decades now) goes. If Bernie ends up showing strong in those 2 states, I may actually switch over due to being more electable.

Note to others: I am not attacking any of the people in those states above. No, I'm not suggesting at all disenfranchising the Democratic voters in those states. I'm only stating that their numbers are, as a political reality, the strong minority in those states.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

54. California doesn't get heard from until JUNE!

Something that has frustrated the SHIT out of me for a very long time. A huge, diverse population and one of the world's largest economies -- and it's generally all over by the time we get to vote.

[MyNameGoesHere]

55. Oh no. Another SG post eom

[AgadorSparticus]

57. Amen!! K&R × 1,000,000

[tblue37]

59. Well said. K&R. nt

[BigBearJohn]

61. AMEN!! REC X 1,000,000,000

[WishfulThinker]

62. I'm with you angrychair!

I'm in WA too and will not bow down to the DNC, HRC, and corporate media!

[JBoy]

64. BC for Bernie agrees

Howdy from north of the border! I'm Canadian so not not able to vote, but there's an active expat contingent here who can, and the momentum is definitely for Bernie.

https://m.facebook.com/USinBCforBernie/

[angrychair]

71. Thanks expats!

We love you here! Your vote matters!

[artislife]

79. Well...you are a part of Cascadia!

Wave from Seattle. I try to get to Vancouver or Nelson at least 4 times a year.

[Lizzie Poppet]

66. Exactly. A small cross section, biased heavily towards the conservative South.

Not over until the convention...

And hi from down in Portland!

[JackInGreen]

67. I was just thinking that

"The south has spoken....the rest of us can eff off?"

[opiate69]

68. As a fellow Olympian,

[Duval]

69. K&R. nt

[JDPriestly]

70. K&R.

[rufus dog]

72. Look at the states that have voted

And compare it to the blue wall

California
Oregon
Washington
Illinois
New York
And on ,,,,,,not voted

[xloadiex]

76. Screw CNN and MSNBC

turn on TYT Network.

[seattleite]

80. +1 from Seattle.

Ridiculous and offensive.

[Liberty Belle]

82. I agree. CA has the most delegates of any state.

Personally I wish the west coast would change their primaries to vote FIRST so that we'd quit having races decided by southern bigots, midwest farmers and blue dog Dems.

[RedCappedBandit]

86. Yup. I love the hypocrisy.

Hillary camp going on and on about how we're trying to disenfranchise southern voters. Meanwhile at the same time they're pushing the idea that the election is over before most people have even had a chance to vote. Sucha joke.

[NurseJackie]

96. Which primaries and caucuses have been cancelled? (Do we even HAVE that power?)

Go, Hillary! We love you!

[angrychair]

105. So funny NJ

No, it's about perception and intent. Many media outlets and many here, would love to demoralize or disincentive Bernie supporters. Just making the counter-point that it isn't over.

We're still good, always love the debate and discussion.

[RedCappedBandit]

115. Maybe you responded to the wrong post. Nt

[NurseJackie]

116. It doesn't matter.

[DinahMoeHum]

88. Same thing for New York. Our primary date is April 19.

[Dustlawyer]

90. I for one, cannot wait to hear your great state speak!

[beerandjesus]

91. +1

I live in South Carolina, and the "it's over" meme offends me too.

[Ino]

92. Thank goddess for the late primaries!

With the media & DNC blackout Sanders has been laboring under, what he needs most is TIME to become known. So I'm very grateful for the late primary states!

[sufrommich]

94. There are no primaries that will be cancelled.nt

[NurseJackie]

95. So, it's okay for Bernie supporters to celebrate, but not for Hillary supporters? Got it.

Listen up, everybody! New rule: No more "we got this" or "onward to victory" posts. It's upsetting people!


Go, Hillary! We love you!

[jeff47]

97. You can celebrate your victories without claiming the race is over.

It's really not that complicated.

[sgmcenroe]

98. You are 100% right

None of these southern states are going to go Democrat in the national election. They are the heartland of the GOP and are as red as the red in the rebel flag they love so much. Bernie has no reason at all to quit. His best days are ahead.

[NWmountainman]

100. Totally agree..

Here in Federal Way, we'd like to vote on this too....

[WDIM]

101. I rarely say amen but AMEN! nt

[fredamae]

102. Oregon here

And I resent the Attempt to negate my vote, before I have a chance to cast it-by telling my candidate to GTFO - it's over after - what 15 states? Screw that.
I am a Democrat. And this particular type of "democracy" levied by people who call themselves Democrats is Not being well received.

[AtheistCrusader]

103. Washington State is unimportant and will not be asked who the nominee should be.

Because, being as progressive as we are, our preference will be Bernie, and that's just not acceptable.

Remember, on November 6, 2012, we passed Referendum 74, legalizing same sex marriage here in Wa.

We legalized it before Hillary Clinton even came out in favor of same-sex marriage. (March 18th 2013)


She's not a progressive. Doesn't poll well here.
So of course, 'It's over' before we are allowed to have a voice. Our 118 delegates are unimportant.

[lumberjack_jeff]

106. +1000 nt

[BBG]

113. Negative Signage also

I have yet to see a Hillary rightward bound arrow sign here in Seattle. Several Bernie yard signs and loads of bumper stickers. But nada for HRC.

Of note is our own city council already has an elected Socialist. We're already feeling the Bern and have been for some time. Bring on the caucus.

[AtheistCrusader]

114. I know I'll be there.

Sadly, perception is most people's reality. Opinions solidify over time.

Sucks.

[panader0]

107. K and R

[silvershadow]

110. I am advocating for same-day nationwide primaries. I rarely if ever have a voice. nt

[lark]

111. One person, one vote has still to play out.

Give it time!! See who's standing tall at the end before declaring a winner. So glad Bernie's got the $$ to continue.

[fbc]

117. Sorry, in the primaries the DNC only cares about red states.

[WheelWalker]

118. It's not over until I vote...

Oregon here

[mudstump]

119. In Oregon.....

waiting for my chance to vote for Bernie.

[lunatica]

120. let them feel all important for a few months

When the primary votes get to us in the West (I'm in California, in the Bay Area) then they'll get their chance to pout.

[Optimism]

121. Another Seattle family for Bernie!

My 18 year old son gets to caucus for the first time as well! (And the other two to help re-elect Bernie in 2020!)

It saddens me that our longtime Progressive Rep. Jim McDermott has pledged for Hillary as a Superdelegate. I've called his office multiple times, urging him to at a minimum NOT commit at least until his constituents have voted. Nada Evasions only - sigh. Might help for others to call.

And our beloved (re-elected!) Socialist Seattle City Council Rep. Kshama Sawant has a wonderful piece up on the Huff Post today - well worth a read, fellow feminists! Unfortunately, that consevative rag, the Seattle Times, had the outrageously pro-Clinton NY Times article on their front page today... boy did the wordage make my blood boil! Basically said it's COMPLETELY over for Bernie at this point. I know that Sen. Patty Murray is up for re-election this year (and as Superdelegate is pledged to Hillary). Maybe we could bombard her office to not only respect WA voter's preference, but also vow to support Hillary's new-found 'opposition' to TPP ! Ha ... as if.

[PatrynXX]

123. whats weird is California

used to be on Super Tuesday, and even with that Hillary still lost California is in June for whatever reason

[mountain grammy]

124. Colorado here and I voted last night, and guess what?

Bernie won

[LWolf]

125. +1