What kind of message would it send about Democrats to America if Hillary wins the nomination?

[AZ Progressive]

[seaotter]

1. It would send the message that we do not care about corruption or

ethics. It would send the message that privilege and dynasties are to be embraced, it would send the message that we are a brain dead electorate.

[RobertEarl]

3. Yes

A brain dead electorate.

[NowSam]

77. Exactly right.

It says we don't care about anything but winning. No soul.

[840high]

80. .^that

[earthside]

2. That Democrats can be better mainstream Republicans than the Republicans? n/t

[villager]

53. The Democrats have been Rockefeller Republicans since the 90's, while the GOP is now a fascist

-Bircher party.

The question is where the Democrats of "yore" have gone to...

[Armstead]

4. Same message that has given the GOP control of both Houses and many states

Meh, meh,meh

[BreakfastClub]

5. That we're ready for a woman president and that we liked the 90's perhaps. nt

[AZ Progressive]

7. The Titanic is sinking and your playing a violin...

[Chichiri]

79. *You're. nt

[dynamo99]

83. We're ready for a woman president.

But that's not the only criterion. Not Maggie Thatcher.

[UglyGreed]

6. .

[NCTraveler]

9. That we support what Obama is doing to the point...

We want to build and expand off of it and believe Clinton is the best person to achieve that goal.

[Scurrilous]

21. ...

[redstateblues]

28. K&R

[revbones]

39. and that a person who ran a racist campaign against him is who we think best to do it.. n/t

[NCTraveler]

41. My apologies. Me, not we.

Though I'm sure some agree with the general sentiment.

[bkkyosemite]

51. And of course the meme goes Bernie does not want to. That's what I hear.

[NCTraveler]

58. I have neither generated nor employed a meme here. Nt

[bkkyosemite]

74. Never said you did...just saying that I heard that many times.

[cheapdate]

61. Good answer.

[mythology]

10. That as a whole the people who voted in the Democratic primaries preferred

Clinton to Sanders. That could be due to many different reasons. Some based on policy, some based on name recognition, some based on electability concerns, some based on gender, probably some based on an anti-Semitic bias, some based on the Clinton history in the party, some perhaps on not wanting a guy who has called the party ideologically bankrupt to lead the party, some based on Sanders relying on unreliable voters and not being able to make significant gains with minority groups or women (outside of younger voters).

[bettyellen]

11. Millennials can't be bothered to do more than tweet and spread memes?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

38. They can hit the like button on Facebook

[cherokeeprogressive]

12. That all-in-all, Divide and Conquer is the best political strategy in the country.

[polly7]

63. +1000. nt.

[tk2kewl]

13. The same message that they've been pushing for decades...

Exactly the message the oligarchs want to send.

Politicians? Democrats, Republicans... There all crooks. I don't waste my time with politics.

[SheenaR]

14. Post 8 should not be hidden

And it sends a message that we already knew. They can talk a good game, the base doesn't matter. Nominating someone who has the high unfavorability and was generally considered dishonest by voters would normally be universally chastised. Not this time.

[Lizzie Poppet]

17. Agreed: absolutely idiotic hide.

But get used to this. Just had my first hide in ages for making fun of Bill Clinton's notorious philandering in a thread about his clearly illegal shenanigans yesterday. Thin skinned, that lot...

[JaneyVee]

19. Yeah...that sounds like it prob deserved a hide.

[Lizzie Poppet]

20. "She insulted the Chosen One's consort! Burn her!"

[revbones]

37. Right now they're falling over themselves to report both of you. n./t

[Lizzie Poppet]

43. Already got my first hide in a long time today.

And for something utterly innocuous, which is hilarious, given how aggressive I've been in my posting of late.

I expect to be purged from this site if/when Hillary wins the nomination, as will a whole bunch of progressives. There won't even be a pretense of inclusion at that point. Might as well have some fun.

[redstateblues]

31. Channeling Hannity

[840high]

82. agree

[Godhumor]

15. That voters preferred Clinton over Sanders n/t

[Lizzie Poppet]

16. "Center-Right: It's the New Left!"

[Kip Humphrey]

56. Ya know those little man characters that run around with their heads bent around and up

inside their asses? Yup, that's about how this is beginning to feel!

[JaneyVee]

18. That hard work pays off if you never give up.

[revbones]

34. That or having a few bankers and lobbyists in your pocket... n/t

[JaneyVee]

45. And more voters than your primary opponent.

[revbones]

46. I'm sure you think the Republicans are duped, but just don't see it when you

look in the mirror.

[wildeyed]

22. That more people voted for her

than for Bernie Sanders And that we picked an experienced, qualified candidate.

A way more fun thread would be about what message Trump sends about the GOP.

[Ken Burch]

23. That we don't want to be a party of activism and real change.

And that we don't give a damn about the young or about stopping war.

[DavidDvorkin]

24. That we're grownups.

[revbones]

35. Who lost our way... n/t

[GeorgeGist]

25. You don't know?

[1StrongBlackMan]

26. That we would like to build upon the progress of President Obama's administration? eom

[revbones]

36. By electing someone that ran a racist campaign against him in 2008. n/t

[JaneyVee]

47. Yet he chose her as his SoS.

Might be time for you to go.

[1StrongBlackMan]

48. Thanks for reminding me. I had forgotten. ...

The fact that President Obama and HRC have made their peace and supported one another, ever since doesn't matter.

[revbones]

49. Guess that's why he had Kerry "clean up her mess"

Or left her out to dry on Libya.

You might be interested in checking out all the "team of Rivals" stuff that was going around when he offered her the gig along with jobs for several republicans .

[1StrongBlackMan]

50. Thanks. I'll check that out. eom.

[Sunlei]

66. Kerry has spent many years in that part of the world.

[revbones]

67. Ok, that justifies sending him over the Sec of State.

oh, and the whole batch of "clean up her mess" stories that got floated out then too.

[Sunlei]

68. you seem to think he's some diplomatic newbie, what would Bernie say?

[revbones]

69. No, I seem to think it speaks to Obama's real thoughts on Clinton when he sends someone else

and she was Sec of State.

[Sunlei]

73. Kerry has delt with assad of syria from way back when he was a senator & assads BF was Iran.

[Fairgo]

27. Laws are for little people

And from up here, they all look like ants.

[EndElectoral]

29. That corporate oligarchies are really calling the shots. Reminds me of that film Network.

Chayevsky was prescient.

[Onlooker]

30. That the glass ceiling has been broken for women, and a racially diverse coalition is a winner n/t

[Half-Century Man]

32. We're kinda stupid.

Or, we like to be tied up and spanked.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

44. Speak for yourself

[revbones]

33. That the party platform is a joke

They'd see the corruption and scoff at the party from now on.

[PonyUp]

42. That the movie 'Idiocracy' was real.

[beachbum bob]

52. That we nominated a leader..

Who isn't afraid to make a call on the "kill shot"....

[bkkyosemite]

54. That we have a rigged system, billionaires control our government...wait that sounds

familiar.

[noretreatnosurrender]

55. That We Are Clueless

about the corruption that is in control of our country.

[brooklynite]

57. I thought this frantic anger by the Sanders group would dissipate after Super Tuesday...

Apparently it'll be around for the next two weeks.

[grossproffit]

70. I thought it would get worse.

[Zambero]

84. Yes and in the meantime...

Let's get Judicial Watch involved. They'll certainly get to the bottom of these Clinton shenanigans, just like they did so well in the 90's.

[Ferd Berfel]

59. THe Chair of the Democratic National Committee sides with Loan Sharks over people, and

supports republicans over democrats in state races. THe Democratic minority leader calls for a republican to replace a republican on SCOTUS. The Democratic President put Social Security on the chopping block as a sacrificial offering to Republicans and gives us the Republican plan for Health insurance reform rather than single payer and then gives us TPP and the end of US sovereignty, the economy and the American Middle class. Etc, etc, etc.

The message of Hillary would be: Status Quo, Business as usual, no change. The completion of a 40 year march to Fascist Oligarchy.

The message would be We The People loose. And that the New Democratic Party has made the final turn and morphed into the Old Republican Party. And the Democratic Party that saved the Nation in the New Deal and brought Civil Rights and so much more for the People...The Democratic Party that did these things no longer exists.

[Cobalt Violet]

60. Do as we say and not as we do party.

[DCBob]

62. We choose the most experienced and prepared candidate in history.

That's a very good message.

[slipslidingaway]

71. Experienced in what, regime change, cluster bombs, welfare reform? nt

[DCBob]

72. Hillary's resume

Hillary's resume.

• Graduate of Yale Law School, where she was one of just 27 women in her graduating class.
  
• Young lawyer for the Children’s Defense Fund where she worked to help enact legislation to help children with disabilities in Massachusetts.
  
• Lawyer for the Congressional Committee investigating President Nixon.
  
• First Lady of Arkansas where she worked to improve educational standards and health care access for the people of Arkansas.
  
• First Lady of United States where she worked to reform our health care system and helped create the Children's Health Insurance Program. Here is where she learned what Republicans are capable of doing when faced with a strong intelligent aggressive woman.
  
• U.S. Senator for New York, probably the most diverse, complex and important state in the country.. economically, financially, politically, and diplomatically. While Senator she worked to secure funding to rebuild New York after 9/11 and fought to provide health care for first responders who were contaminated at Ground Zero. Also helped to expanded TRICARE so that members of the Reserves and National Guard and their families could get better access to health care.
  
• Ran for President in 2008 where she learned the hard way what it takes to win.
  
• Served as Secretary of State for 4 years. She was instrumental in starting to restore America’s standing in the world. She helped build a coalition for tough new sanctions against Iran that brought them to the negotiating table and brokered a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas that ended a war. She also was a forceful champion for human rights, internet freedom, and rights and opportunities for women and girls, LGBT people and young people all around the globe.
  

[amborin]

75. meaningless; it's the record that counts, and that is scary

[DCBob]

76. Amazing you can so easily dismiss such an impressive list of qualifications.

[slipslidingaway]

78. You fail to address the children who have suffered, or are dead, because of regime change, cluster..

bombs and welfare reform.

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/


http://www.democracynow.org/2007/7/24/childrens_defense_funds_marian_wright_edelman

".... AMY GOODMAN: Marian Wright Edelman, we just heard Hillary Rodham Clinton. She used to be the head of the board of the Children’s Defense Fund, of the organization that you founded. But you were extremely critical of the Clintons. I mean, when President Clinton signed off on the, well, so-called welfare reform bill, you said, "His signature on this pernicious bill makes a mockery of his pledge not to hurt children." So what are your hopes right now for these Democrats? And what are your thoughts about Hillary Rodham Clinton?

MARIAN WRIGHT EDELMAN: Well, you know, Hillary Clinton is an old friend, but they are not friends in politics. We have to build a constituency, and you don’t — and we profoundly disagreed with the forms of the welfare reform bill, and we said so. We were for welfare reform, I am for welfare reform, but we need good jobs, we need adequate work incentives, we need minimum wage to be decent wage and livable wage, we need healthcare, we need transportation, we need to invest preventively in all of our children to prevent them ever having to be on welfare.

And yet, you know, many years after that, when many people are pronouncing welfare reform a great success, you know, we’ve got growing child poverty, we have more children in poverty and in extreme poverty over the last six years than we had earlier in the year. When an economy is down, and the real test of welfare reform is what happens to the poor when the economy is not booming. Well, the poor are suffering, the gap between rich and poor widening. We have what I consider one of — a growing national catastrophe of what we call the cradle-to-prison pipeline. A black boy today has a one-in-three chance of going to prison in his lifetime, a black girl a one-in-seventeen chance. A Latino boy who’s born in 2001 has a one-in-six chance of going to prison. We are seeing more and more children go into our child welfare systems, go dropping out of school, going into juvenile justice detention facilities. Many children are sitting up — 15,000, according to a recent congressional GAO study — are sitting up in juvenile institutions solely because their parents could not get mental health and healthcare in their community. This is an abomination...."

[ghostsinthemachine]

64. That you have to break some eggs to

make an omelet.

[Sunlei]

65. That when a D says they will strive to be President, they really mean it!

[Recursion]

81. That parties follow the wishes of the majority of primary and caucus voters? (nt)

[KitSileya]

85. That women have to work twice as hard, and still face tons of misogyny

if they dare think they can fill the shoes of men, but that Americans have finally progressed enough that theyll vote for a woman for President?

[Dems to Win]

86. $200Million worth of cashing in on public service is Okey-Dokey with Democrats

It's what we expect former first families to do.