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Jim Acosta just tweeted: Obama leads 44-42% in Arizona! (Original Post) UrbScotty Oct 2012 OP
A Big EFFEN Deal! OhZone Oct 2012 #1
In LIKELY voters??? fugop Oct 2012 #2
Very good!! it would certainly change a bit of the media narrative... WI_DEM Oct 2012 #3
Rocky Mtn poll TroyD Oct 2012 #4
Can we see the internals in this poll? Dawson Leery Oct 2012 #5
I zach1845 Oct 2012 #6
Here's what the Tweet says: TroyD Oct 2012 #7
Here's a good piece on Latinos and Arizona ProSense Oct 2012 #8
Muchas Gracias, ProSense! Cha Oct 2012 #40
You're welcome. It's plausible. A September poll ProSense Oct 2012 #50
And Purplestrategies teabaggersarestupid Oct 2012 #56
I FOUND IT TroyD Oct 2012 #9
Well, I'll be damned. It is true! Lone_Star_Dem Oct 2012 #17
You're welcome TroyD Oct 2012 #20
I imagine we will be seeing more polling now. Lone_Star_Dem Oct 2012 #26
Arizona - The Purple State MizzM Oct 2012 #43
Do you know whether Bill will make a return appearance? TroyD Oct 2012 #51
No planned visit that I am aware of MizzM Oct 2012 #54
Some of it was conducted in the days following 'the debate' TroyD Oct 2012 #10
Thanks for putting "the debate" in quotations - these things aren't anything resembling a real kath Oct 2012 #29
last poll from arizona was zach1845 Oct 2012 #11
CARMONA AHEAD 4 POINTS TroyD Oct 2012 #12
This is why the map looks better for Obama Bad Thoughts Oct 2012 #13
What does this say? tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #14
Would Arizona add unexpected gains to the Electoral formula? Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #15
this zach1845 Oct 2012 #16
Most Democratic sources say Obama isn't contesting Arizona TroyD Oct 2012 #18
Underpolled Latinos are President Obama's biggest secret weapon bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #19
Yes, this is certainly possible according to Latino Decisions TroyD Oct 2012 #22
Romney's failing is that he thinks people forget. BellaKos Oct 2012 #71
This poll was conducted in both English and Spanish. Lone_Star_Dem Oct 2012 #25
That is a HUGE piece of info! writes3000 Oct 2012 #42
wow! Latino vote in AZ is breaking 77-10 Obama--we should definitely do some stuff there. WI_DEM Oct 2012 #21
Latinos not feelin' that whole "self deportation" thing, huh Cha Oct 2012 #41
Somewhere there is an ad where President Obama speaks in Spanish treestar Oct 2012 #67
yeah zach1845 Oct 2012 #23
AZ will have to be moved into the swing state column. bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #24
We (Az) have a HOT Senate race this year to replace that pos Kyl. jillan Oct 2012 #27
It was posted upthread that Carmona was + 4 but it will Cha Oct 2012 #44
Here's this week's Latino Decisions article on ARIZONA TroyD Oct 2012 #28
Carmona overtakes Flake in the Average at TPM Poll Tracker TroyD Oct 2012 #30
Probably too good to be true BUT Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #31
And maybe force Romney to spend some $$ there... Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #32
My sister lives in AZ 2theleft Oct 2012 #33
Sounds delicious.. Cha Oct 2012 #45
Bill Clinton was in Arizona with Carmona on Wednesday night TroyD Oct 2012 #34
Is there anything in this poll that would pee in the Wheaties? bluestateguy Oct 2012 #35
I live in Mesa Az and I think were about one Presidential election away michael811 Oct 2012 #36
Yep, and I think two more here in Texas Ishoutandscream2 Oct 2012 #38
i just looked at the electoral map Denise21 Oct 2012 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Deep13 Oct 2012 #39
Ya'see the corporate media are accepting bullshit polls by the leaning right believing Iliyah Oct 2012 #46
Anyone else get emails from O's campaign about donating before midnight last night Esse Quam Videri Oct 2012 #47
I hope it at least changes the narrative. morningfog Oct 2012 #48
would that be beautiful barbtries Oct 2012 #49
We call it the grantcart bounce, lol grantcart Oct 2012 #52
I had to read this thread title GallopingGhost Oct 2012 #53
OMG! tallahasseedem Oct 2012 #55
That's A LOT of undecideds though. Now Obama needs to spend bucks there to make MittTwit spend too. RBInMaine Oct 2012 #57
No one really expected Obama to win Indiana or North Carolina in 2008, either. Lord_Maculus Oct 2012 #58
'Clinton going out there will help' TroyD Oct 2012 #60
Nate Silver's thoughts on the ARIZONA poll: TroyD Oct 2012 #59
That cant be! I thought the ROMNEY TRAIN WUZ UNSTOPPABLE WARRRGGHHLLBBLLLLL Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #61
heres the link to cnn Pokoyo Oct 2012 #62
Huffington Post and RCP havent posted this wtf Pokoyo Oct 2012 #63
TPM has posted it TroyD Oct 2012 #64
If the Latinos GallopingGhost Oct 2012 #65
Latino Decisions article on ARIZONA TroyD Oct 2012 #69
Here is the link to the poll courseofhistory Oct 2012 #66
Wow this is good news . Historic NY Oct 2012 #68
RCP finally added the ARIZONA numbers for OBAMA & CARMONA TroyD Oct 2012 #70

fugop

(1,828 posts)
2. In LIKELY voters???
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:29 PM
Oct 2012

HAHAHAHAHA!

Who knows, but anything like this is awesome for our spirits right now!

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
3. Very good!! it would certainly change a bit of the media narrative...
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:29 PM
Oct 2012

I thought at first this would be some democratic poll but I see it's the Rocky Mountain News, so that is double wow.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
7. Here's what the Tweet says:
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:33 PM
Oct 2012

Rocky Mtn poll of likely voters in AZ:

Obama 44%

Romney 42%

Johnson 3%

Stein 1%

-----

I know Obama is going to do better with Latinos this year in Arizona than in 2008, but this poll seems at odds with other polling.

I'd be interested to know if they also did a poll for the Arizona Senate race.

Bill Clinton was just in Arizona for Carmona on Wednesday night.

If Bill can have that much influence, that would be pretty amazing.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
8. Here's a good piece on Latinos and Arizona
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:34 PM
Oct 2012
Why Arizona may be the surprise of 2012 – the big Latino vote that you didn’t see coming
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10021506630

Cha

(297,240 posts)
40. Muchas Gracias, ProSense!
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:55 PM
Oct 2012

Last edited Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:34 PM - Edit history (1)

"Why Arizona may be the surprise of 2012 – the big Latino vote that you didn’t see coming"

I wondered about this..all the crap the Brewer recons gave Latinos in AZ.

Edit: forgot "t" in this

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
50. You're welcome. It's plausible. A September poll
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:12 PM
Oct 2012

showed Mitt leading by 3 points.

Arizona (Romney +3): For the first time, we have included Arizona as a stand-alone state, and find Mitt Romney leading 48% to 45%. Romney is also winning independents in the state (47% to 42%), while President Obama is performing very well among Hispanics (58% to 28%). This represents an improvement on his result among Hispanics in Arizona in 2008, where he defeated John McCain by 15 points among that k ey group.

http://www.purplestrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/PurplePoll-9.21.12.pdf

There must be a reason they pulled out Arizona for the first time.

 
56. And Purplestrategies
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:01 PM
Oct 2012

tends to lean conservative. Of course, this poll was taken prior to the debate but still. Prior to the debate, it's possible the race was tied in AZ.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
20. You're welcome
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:52 PM
Oct 2012

And while we shouldn't assume this means Arizona is in play for Obama until we see more polls, it's still a positive sign.

I've been following Carmona's campaign for weeks, and this poll putting him ahead of Flake by 4 points could really help.

MizzM

(77 posts)
43. Arizona - The Purple State
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:59 PM
Oct 2012

I have been here since 2006 in this red state (from Boston) And, I am seeing for the first time, the Democratic party here calling it a Purple State. Wow. I have been to Democratic Headquarters, and it is awe inspiring to see the fervor and dedication of the volunteers - white, black, Latinos, Asian, and LGBT all working so hard to get the vote. You would think Carmona would be a shoe-in, but then again, we are in Arizona. This is very good news for Carmona and Obama.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
51. Do you know whether Bill will make a return appearance?
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:22 PM
Oct 2012

Obviously Bill has a lot of demands on his time and will need to be in OHIO a lot over the next 3 weeks to prevent Romney from making any more gains there, but since the first Carmona-Clinton rally was a success, I'm wondering if Bill will return once more to help Carmona close the deal.

MizzM

(77 posts)
54. No planned visit that I am aware of
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:45 PM
Oct 2012

But you never know. I don't know his agenda, other than Ohio as you mentioned. This Senate seat is so important. The thought of a Democrat elected to the US Senate in Arizona makes my head spin!

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
10. Some of it was conducted in the days following 'the debate'
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:37 PM
Oct 2012

Conducted by Rocky Mountain Poll from 10/04/2012 to 10/10/2012.

Wonder if it would be even higher if the the first few days were shaved off?

kath

(10,565 posts)
29. Thanks for putting "the debate" in quotations - these things aren't anything resembling a real
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:10 PM
Oct 2012

debate, just glorified press conferences.

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
13. This is why the map looks better for Obama
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:40 PM
Oct 2012

he can put more places in play than Romney, force him to spend money to secure what should be his states.

tarheelsunc

(2,117 posts)
14. What does this say?
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:42 PM
Oct 2012

It says take the negative campaigning and the Koch brothers et al out of the picture, and people would be realizing who the better candidate is nationwide. No thanks to the Supreme Court for the Citizens United ruling...

 

zach1845

(30 posts)
16. this
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:43 PM
Oct 2012

could be true as there has been sparce data. PPD poll was done a week ago there. romney +9
Im sure this will at least bring more polling there.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
18. Most Democratic sources say Obama isn't contesting Arizona
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:50 PM
Oct 2012

He doesn't consider the state in play. We'll see what happens in the days to come.

BUT the Democrats ARE contesting the Senate race. That shows momentum for Carmona, and with this new poll he has now moved into a 1.2% average lead over Flake. Bill Clinton was in Arizona for Carmona earlier this week. Clinton is the only Democrat to win Arizona in modern history so he could continue to be an asset in the state.

The DSCC is spending $500,000 on ads for Carmona this month.

bushisanidiot

(8,064 posts)
19. Underpolled Latinos are President Obama's biggest secret weapon
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:51 PM
Oct 2012

After that crazy az governor signed the anti-immigrant law, I knew
AZ would be in play.

the only reason AZ was as close as it was in 08 was because that
is McCain's home state. think about it.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
22. Yes, this is certainly possible according to Latino Decisions
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:53 PM
Oct 2012

The LD poll earlier this week showed that Obama's strength with Latinos in Arizona is stronger than in any other state in the country.

And Carmona's popularity with Latinos is also an asset.

BellaKos

(318 posts)
71. Romney's failing is that he thinks people forget.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:41 AM
Oct 2012

While in Arizona during the primary, he said that he thought that the Arizona immigration law should be a model for the nation. Latinos aren't gonna' forget that.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
25. This poll was conducted in both English and Spanish.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:57 PM
Oct 2012

I'm thinking you may be onto something here. As far as I know it's the first poll there of RV's done in both languages.

Edit to add: In AZ.

writes3000

(4,734 posts)
42. That is a HUGE piece of info!
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:59 PM
Oct 2012

I was just reading that on DailyKos. With Carmona being Hispanic, the Hispanic turn out should be big there.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
21. wow! Latino vote in AZ is breaking 77-10 Obama--we should definitely do some stuff there.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:52 PM
Oct 2012

According to the pollster: "It must be concluded that Arizona is definitely a battleground state for both the Presidential and the U.S. Senate races and there can be little doubt but that the outcome will be largely dependent on whichpolitical party does the best job in turning out its voters and whether the Democrats can hang onto the Latino vote." Latinos are 77-10 Obama.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
67. Somewhere there is an ad where President Obama speaks in Spanish
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:28 PM
Oct 2012

that one's got to roll! His accent is pretty good, too.

 

zach1845

(30 posts)
23. yeah
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:54 PM
Oct 2012

I read the same thing they are not trying for it. Internal polls must show it to far off.
although those are just pundits. you never know.

bushisanidiot

(8,064 posts)
24. AZ will have to be moved into the swing state column.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:56 PM
Oct 2012

i expect pollsters to make that adjustment this weekend and later this week.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
27. We (Az) have a HOT Senate race this year to replace that pos Kyl.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:00 PM
Oct 2012

Carmona - Dem - Veteran, surgeon and former Surgeon General of the US and a Hispanic!!

Vs

Jeff Flake - Mormon Repub - one of the original teabaggers. Congressmen - mine! Who has done absolutely nothing but vote against everything that would help the citizens of this state.

It's neck and neck with Carmona just a couple of points ahead. Alot will depend on the top of the ticket.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
44. It was posted upthread that Carmona was + 4 but it will
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:00 PM
Oct 2012

depend on GOTV. Who knows, maybe Carmona will help Up ticket?

2theleft

(1,136 posts)
33. My sister lives in AZ
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:34 PM
Oct 2012

And, while she is a moderate/conservative (old school repub), her husband is an independent - some way left views, some eh...BUT, he has been on an anti-Romney post-fest on his twitter, facebook, and his blog. Causing quite a stir in his very conservative neighborhood. Calling him later to see what the mood on the ground is.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
45. Sounds delicious..
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:02 PM
Oct 2012
"..he has been on an anti-Romney post-fest on his twitter, facebook, and his blog."

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
34. Bill Clinton was in Arizona with Carmona on Wednesday night
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:43 PM
Oct 2012

Bill won AZ in 1996.

If the state really does tighten, then I assume he will make another visit.

But the best shot is probably still the Senate seat.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
35. Is there anything in this poll that would pee in the Wheaties?
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:47 PM
Oct 2012

As in, was any of it done before the 1st debate? An LV screen or RV screen?

michael811

(67 posts)
36. I live in Mesa Az and I think were about one Presidential election away
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:50 PM
Oct 2012

from being a true swing state. 2016 Az is in play for sure 2012 might be a bit too early but Russel Pierce was recalled after he wrote 1070 and there are enough latinos in the state to give it to Obama if they turnout enough but it would have to be a pretty big turnout by them to make the difference

Denise21

(63 posts)
37. i just looked at the electoral map
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:51 PM
Oct 2012

And that is the the case it is Obama 43/dumb head 50. Polls don't count electoral votes do

Response to UrbScotty (Original post)

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
46. Ya'see the corporate media are accepting bullshit polls by the leaning right believing
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:05 PM
Oct 2012

them but this one is unbelievable - LOL

I will take it, why because Latinos are not usually factored into most polls.

Esse Quam Videri

(685 posts)
47. Anyone else get emails from O's campaign about donating before midnight last night
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:07 PM
Oct 2012

because they had a big decision to make? Wonder if they are thinking about putting some more money into Az because of these latest numbers?

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
57. That's A LOT of undecideds though. Now Obama needs to spend bucks there to make MittTwit spend too.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:14 PM
Oct 2012

Lord_Maculus

(53 posts)
58. No one really expected Obama to win Indiana or North Carolina in 2008, either.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:19 PM
Oct 2012

Just something to consider.

I personally think Obama should try and put it in play, maybe not go there himself but have Michelle or Biden hold a big, media covered rally out there w/Carmona. Clinton going out there will help, I think. I certainly think the demographics are more in our favor out there (especially with the backlash to "Papers, Please!&quot this year than they were in Indiana in 2008.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
60. 'Clinton going out there will help'
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:49 PM
Oct 2012

Bill Clinton was just there 3 nights ago at a big rally for Carmona.

I think I posted the video above.

Bill won AZ in 1996 (the first Dem to do it since Truman in 1948).

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
59. Nate Silver's thoughts on the ARIZONA poll:
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 05:40 PM
Oct 2012
Although AZ poll very likely an outlier, one scary thing for Romney is that it included Spanish-language interviews. (1/3)


There's some evidence that polls which don't conduct Spanish-language interviews lowball Dem vote among Hispanics. (2/3)


Even if that's the case, though, it's CO/NV/FL that Romney needs to worry about more than AZ. (3/3)


https://twitter.com/fivethirtyeight

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
65. If the Latinos
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:19 PM
Oct 2012

turn out in full force to vote, AZ might very well turn blue.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Boy, won't that piss off Utah and the Southern AZ Mormon population.

courseofhistory

(801 posts)
66. Here is the link to the poll
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:25 PM
Oct 2012

Poll: Presidential race close in Arizona


Posted by
CNN's Gregory Wallace

(CNN) - A new poll of likely voters in Arizona shows the race for the White House is a close contest in the state.

President Barack Obama stands at 44% and GOP challenger Mitt Romney has 42% in the Rocky Mountain poll released Saturday. The margin is within the poll's sampling error.

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With 11 electoral votes, the state has been considered to be leaning in Romney's favor.

The state's two most populous counties, Maricopa and Pima, came out in support of Obama, while Romney has a lead in the rural counties. Men are evenly split between the two candidates, and the difference between the candidates among women is only three points.

Obama is the heavy favorite among the state's Latinos, who split for him 77% to Romney's 10%.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/13/poll-presidential-race-close-in-arizona/
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