"Hillary is only winning the red states! They don't do us any good!"

[Chichiri]

2) Obama won "the Republican states" the Sanders fans are complaining about now. And well, guess where he is now? Where we want to be in January. Aka, the White House.

3) We won Massachusetts (deep blue) ... and Sanders won Oklahoma (deep red). lol.

4) HRC is leading Michigan and Illinois (fivethirtyeight.com)

5) The primaries are the only time that Dems in red states have a real voice about such an important issue at the federal level. To dismiss the whole state because it usually goes red is to dismiss the huge number of Democratic voters and their voices in those states about who they want as a leader and what their interests are.

And so on and so forth. From reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/hillaryclinton/comments/48obk3/sanders_fans_trying_to_downvote_to_push_out_the/

[PonyUp]

1. Oops, I mssed one of the H icon users for my ignore list. Gotcha now!

[Chichiri]

2. I like your fish. nt

[pkdu]

3. Please add me. nt

[PonyUp]

4. Done! Thanks! This saves time not having to read those ridiculous Hillary posts. Next?

[stonecutter357]

7. test!

[NCTraveler]

40. mic check. mic check.

[DrDan]

19. ahhh - the ol' head-in-the-sand approach - very effective

[PonyUp]

22. Nah, it's the Hillary supporters that have their heads in the sand. n/t

[Hortensis]

27. Well, at least we're clear on the concept of ignoring, Pony.

Here is a concept: Bernie has to win roughly 60% of the delegates over the rest of the primary season. That means every time he wins by less than 60%, he falls that much farther behind.

[PonyUp]

28. ...

[Hortensis]

29. My post was a little misleading in case you're still here.

It's that as of NOW Bernie has to win 60% of the delegates. That number will change depending on how he does. Any race where he fails to at least meet that number causes him to fall farther behind, so that he might have to then win 62% of the remaining delegates, then 64%, 65%, etc.

Bye.

[beachbum bob]

33. so whats the polpular vote differential NOW between hillary and sanders?

I believe sanders supporters are existing in an alternate reality

[snooper2]

37. what GD-P has become

[Dem2]

44. I like Bernie and Hillary both

I assume this makes me impure.

[Gwhittey]

5. Odd post

Considering Hillary said in 2008 that South did not matter and it was Us Hard working White folks that would win the Pres.
When called on her race baiting comments of “I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said in the interview, citing an article by The Associated Press that “found how Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”
She said “These are the people you have to win if you’re a Democrat in sufficient numbers to actually win the election. Everybody knows that.”

This back fired for her and drove a ton of whites over to Obama. Silly Hillary forgot she was posing as a (D) and not a (R) and forgot most Dems are not racists. She learned her lesson this time. She had her machine get false word out that Sanders does not care about blacks and the point out every time how only whites support him..like that matters. Oh black people don't vote for him because his supporters are all white assuming that blacks are all racist and that going to sway there vote, when we all know that it is just lack of honest exposure of two candidates..



Is it any wonder that ColorOfChange.org is not supporting Clinton.

[Live and Learn]

10. +10,000 nt

[DemocraticWing]

6. The "red state" talking point was dumb when Hillary fans did it in 2008, and even dumber now

Bernie can't actually have any path to the nomination without scooping up places like Idaho, Alaska, Kansas, and West Virginia. Those are red states.

[Hortensis]

30. Good point. Here's Politico's "red/blue" state map.

The numbers are their electoral college votes, of course.

[stonecutter357]

8. K&R!

[NanceGreggs]

9. Over the past few months ...

... we've seen the Bernie supporters throw every individual who doesn't support Bernie under the bus - wasn't it just a matter of time before whole states were thrown under there as well?

[Live and Learn]

11. Or interchangeably Hillary supporters, right?

Nice observation if you hadn't left out the other half.

[NanceGreggs]

12. What's the other half?

HRC supporters haven't swarmed the websites and FB pages of people who endorsed Bernie, leaving virtiol-laden messages.

HRC supporters haven't thrown people like Rachel Maddow under the bus when she says something positive about Bernie.

HRC supporters haven't been leaving vile messages on Liz Warren's FB page because she hasn't endorsed Hillary.

This has not been a "both sides do it" campaign. No one has ever said that "Hillary's worst problem is her supporters" - but a lot of people have said that about Bernie and his supporters.

The nastiness and bullying tactics of BSers have been documented. A lot of us saw the comments left on John Lewis' FB page, and we've seen what's been said about him here on DU.

Did you happen to see the same kinds of comments about Keith Ellison when he endorsed Bernie? Did HRC supporters accuse of him of being a spineless sellout, or of taking money in exchange for his endorsement? Did HRC supporters swarm his FB page and leave vile comments?

The answer is no.

[Live and Learn]

13. Really? I think someone is wearing blinders or at least pretending to be. nt

[NanceGreggs]

14. Fine.

Post the links to the news stories, blogs, tweets, etc., about how HRCers swarmed the websites/FB pages of people who endorsed Bernie and left vitriolic comments.

Post the links to the BSers on DU who were "outraged" (as they would have been) by such a thing happening.

Post the links to HRCers accusing Bernie endorsers of having taken money in exchange for their endorsement, or having been threatened with "payback" if they didn't do so.

Post a link to the HRCers who posted vile comments on Liz Warren's FB page because she hasn't endorsed Hillary.

If "both side are doing it", it shouldn't be difficult to link to the proof thereof.

[Live and Learn]

15. Sure. After you and all other candidate's supporters post theirs!!

Just like your candidate requests.

[NanceGreggs]

16. Cute comeback!

But cuteness aside, you can't post any such links because they simply don't exist.

[Live and Learn]

17. Oh please, a simple DU search will show you plenty.

And please spare us the you didn't know that or can't find those threads BS (and yes, that is the proper use of BS on DU).

[NanceGreggs]

18. If there are "plenty" of such posts ...

... why can't you come up with any?

[Live and Learn]

20. I can, I just don't want to bother for you, when it would obviously be a waste of time and effort.

Why don't you just do the search yourself? I don't think you are really lazy, so I am guessing it is because you already know the results.

[Chichiri]

24. You do know that's the second oldest trick in the book, right?

The oldest being, "I already answered that, and no I won't repeat it because you'll forget it again."

[Hortensis]

32. Now, that's not how projection of one's own faults

on the other side works, Nance. You know that.

Live and Learn, the truth is whatever you want it to be. We know that. Here's a nice The Atlantic article on Bernie, social democracy and socialism, and capitalism from 2 days ago. I think you'll like it, but feel free to, you know....

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http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/03/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism/471630/

[NanceGreggs]

43. Yes, I already know the results.

There are no such links; they don't exist.

So prove me wrong.

[Hortensis]

21. LOL. Whole states, Nance? Whole regions.

Whole races and ethnicities. Whole unions. The party most are registered with.

The tendency to turn on and attack everyone who isn't one of them, to relabel as enemies liberals and other Democrats and independents who have no malice toward them, is an extremely unpleasant characteristic of the subset of Bernie supporters who are from the far left. Of course this behavior is considered extremist. What could be more harmful to the democratic process and more dysfunctional in a democracy than this?

[NurseJackie]

23. In response to your question ... Nothing!

[leveymg]

34. The problem is a winner take all system. That's the reality that disenfranchised southern Dems

We're just pointing out that reality. All this under the bus stuff being thrown at Sanders supporters is just more smokescreen and veiled racist innuendo. A familiar tactic - if you can't be gracious when you're ahead . . . Oh forget it.

[Hortensis]

35. Leveymg, we're proportional, the GOP does winner-take-all.

[leveymg]

36. I'm talking about the Electoral College. nt

[Hortensis]

38. Oh, you're already there? The electoral college

is inherently undemocratic, but it might be worth remembering that it would be more likely to benefit Bernie than Hillary. Hillary so far is winning the popular vote by an extremely large margin, something like a million votes, not twice his number but closer to than otherwise.

[leveymg]

39. Most of the primary states she has won will go GOP in the GE. That diminished them to her

not to Bernie, who does better in Democratic and contested states, where Dem turnout will be most important.

She's down 3 million votes to the insurgent GOP primary goers who are appearing in record numbers across the country. This isn't promising for HRC.

[Hortensis]

41. Well, we'll see.

Have a nice afteroon. It seems to be pretty eventful on the GD side.

[leveymg]

42. You have a good afternoon, as well. nt

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

25. Oh those pesky facts

[still_one]

26. Here is the latest poll numbers from Michigan today

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/


Michigan Democratic Primary
Clinton 61
Sanders 33

Mississippi Democratic Primary
Clinton 65
Sanders 11

[DesertRat]

31. k&r