Hillary raised $4.4m in Jan alone to help down-ballot Dems across the US - Still waiting for Bernie

[bigtree]

Dean Barker ‏@deanbarker
$4.4m raised in Jan alone to help down-ballot Dems across the US. Bernie vowed to do this in Sept. Still waiting.

[FreakinDJ]

1. Bernie doesn't accept Corp donations

Hillary raised that money through Third Way PACs to (corrupt) buy the DNC

[brooklynite]

2. No corporate contributions in those figures.

[virtualobserver]

4. Hillary takes the first $5400.....excess goes to other entities

Bernie only has a handful of donors like that.

[brooklynite]

6. Which has nothing to do with corporate contributions.

[Freddie Stubbs]

25. It is illegal for federal campaigns to accept contributions from corporations

If you have knowledge of any such contributions, it is you duty to report these crimes to the appropriate authorities.

[spinbaby]

3. Why should he?

Why on earth should he be raising money for the party that's trying to take him down?

[bigtree]

5. he's identifying as a Democrat in this election

...if that's more than just some ploy to advantage his campaign, he should do what every other leading Democrat has done.

Moreover, it makes perfect sense to work for a Democratic Congress to advantage his initiatives, if elected.

[virtualobserver]

7. Bernie only has a handful of donors who give more than the first $5400.....

which all goes to Hillary.....the next $33,400 goes to the DNC.

You have to give $38,800 to the Hillary Victory Fund before anything goes to the state parties.

[bigtree]

8. question

...how and where is Bernie actively helping elect down ballot Democrats?

[virtualobserver]

9. He is doing as much as Hillary is....This Hillary victory fund is just that.....

a fund to elect Hillary.

[Armstead]

32. How exactly is he supposed to do that when they're all across the street at...

a Clinton campaign rally?

[Il_Coniglietto]

10. Because the legislative branch has the power

How would a President Sanders get his policies enacted in a Republican-majority House and Senate? I've never understood this aspect of his campaign.

And don't say Hillary can't either. She's actively trying to get more Dems elected because she knows we need every single one we can get. And not just in Congress, but in state legislatures, as governors, even city councils and school boards. That's one lesson the Republicans know and if we want large-scale change, that's how we need to achieve it.

So it's January 20, 2017 and Bernie Sanders is officially President Sanders. What does he do?

[livetohike]

11. Because he recently joined our party at his convenience

and expects votes from our members. How is his revolution going to work if down ballot candidates aren't elected? How do these candidates get visibility without money?

Maybe the revolution hasn't been thought out too well. But it makes a good sound bite.

[That Guy 888]

28. If he ran as an independent, Clinton supporters would complain that he's splitting the ticket...

Which he would have.

[GoneFishin]

31. Of course. It's a bullshit argument.

[LuvLoogie]

55. If he ran as an independent, he would not have access to

DNC voter database. Would be unincluded in the debates. Would not get the support of Dems who will support the Democratic nominee above all else. Would marginalize himself. Would only get the anybody but Hillary vote.

He would Naderize himself and be given sideways glances for trying to split the vote in the face of a Trump nomination.

He would have nowhere near the electorate support nor the logistical support. His funding would not have taken off.

[That Guy 888]

58. "He would Naderize himself"

Isn't it Clinton cannon that Nader cost Gore the 2000 Election?

Edit to add this: Believe it or not, for liberals who have followed Sanders for years, this isn't about ruining Hillary's chance to be America's Maggie Thatcher. People who've heard Sanders since he was Thom Hartmann's Congressional representative doing weekly call-in shows have been hoping Bernie or someone like him would run for President for decades. It seemed like he never would, that's why there was a movement to draft Senator Warren. There would have been votes for Sanders as an independent, and with someone who "hippie-punches" like the Clintons do, I would have been one of them.

[LuvLoogie]

60. Ralph's run wasn't about anything but being Ralph. That's what I mean.

[That Guy 888]

61. So it didn't split the vote and cost Gore the 2000 election?

Many here feel Hillary's run isn't about anything but Hillary.

[LuvLoogie]

62. So you compare Hillary to Nader?

You realize she has raised over $22 million for down ticket dems and state party organizations.

Hillary has a huge network of people that work with her, that want to work with her. That is why she is winning. She has a real team of dedicated players, many of which have been on her side for decades--because she has been on there side and is dedicated to her nation/world wide work.

[That Guy 888]

69. "So you compare Hillary to Nader?" - No... YOU compared Sanders to Nader

The Clintons use cash as a control lever (most people acknowledge that at a minimum cash will grant you access).

Hillary has a huge network of people that work with her, that want to work with for her.

fixed it for you.

She has a real team of dedicated players, many of which have been on her side for decades--because she has been on there side and is dedicated to her nation/world wide work.

The Clintons have been on the c.r.e.a.m. side of the Democratic Party for decades, because she has been there selling labor unions and out of work Americans the lie of free trade in public, while in private business meetings she extols the benefits of lower wages. New Democrats=New Labour= can't we just ignore those poor people??? Their neighborhoods are atrocious, their food is unhealthy, they don't have nice parties like our corporate backers, and worst of all, They. Have. No. Money!!!

What pray tell is that "world wide work"? Hmmm... Haitian earthquake relief? No, that didn't really help ordinary Haitian, unless you count the few that got jobs in multinational run tourist spots that did receive cash. How about expanding workers rights along with free tra.... no, that's not being done either. I know! I know! You must be talking about her work on reducing global warming... by promoting fracking around the planet.... oops. Thoroughly vetting the Libyan revolutionary leaders to make sure Libya wouldn't end as a failed state home to terrorist cells before pushing intervention to President Obama? Nope, she didn't do that either...

[LuvLoogie]

72. I compared a hypothetical where Sanders ran as Independent to Nader...

Big difference. I would say the same of Bloomberg or any Democrat who jumped in at the end as an Independent.

So comparing Hillary's run to Nader is not the same.

Then you ran a litany of issues you have with Hillary Clinton.

Are you saying that all her supporters in Congress work FOR her? She pays them? Is she paying John Lewis and Delores Huerta? Cecile Richards? The Human Rights Campaign? Her thousands of volunteers knocking on doors for her?

[That Guy 888]

73. Once again. Do you think that Nader's independent run cost Gore the 2000 election?

The weird thing is if you look at the posts, I actually compared Nader running as an independent to your found wish that Sanders ran as an independent and left Clinton's precious the Democratic nomination alone.

You wanted Sanders to run as an independent. Not "joining our party at his convenience" means an independent run. You also implied that Sanders run is all about ego, like some believed Nader's run was.

So comparing Hillary's run to Nader is not the same.

Yep his former campaign chair wasn't running the DNC helping him out in any way possible. It's an interesting spin, but not relevant.

You said that:

Ralph's run wasn't about anything but being Ralph.

That's where I compared Clinton to (in some people's view) Nader. While all politicians have big egos, it seems like there's no core beliefs connected to "whoever you want me to be" Hillary. She says whatever will get her votes today. So while I don't know if it is true about Nader, it does seem to be true about Clinton: her ego wants and needs the Presidency like someone in the desert dying of thirst wants and needs water.

[LuvLoogie]

74. There are several contributing factors, anyone of which--had they not occurre--would have had Gore

winning. One was the recount being stopped, another Nader's candidacy, another the Buchanon Ballots, another the Supreme court action.

So do I blame Nader, no. I don't get worked up about it. That still doesn't mean he isn't a narcissistic contrarian. I am saying that had Bernie run as an Independent, that is how it would be viewed.

But what you are unwilling to admit is that Bernie would have nowhere near the support, funding or platform he has now running as a Democrat, if he ran as an Independent. So while you trash the establishment and the DNC, realize it is that establishment and DNC that gave Bernie access to the Democratic infrastructure, the voter database, the debate stage and the ballot opportunity.

I will vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination, but many of his supporters here have painted themselves into a corner should Hillary win the nomination. The op is about Hillary's work to help down ticket.

Here is a diary from a Bernie supporter who is a veteran of campaigning. It speaks to the work that Hillary does back stage.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/21/1473138/-Progressive-Praise-for-Hillary-Clinton-From-a-Bernie-Supporter

[That Guy 888]

75. I'm more concerned about her work backstage in passing trade deals she tells us she oppposes.

With her constantly shifting positions it comes down to trust. Something she is not good at creating. Every election she's in is hers to lose, she has tremendous advantages and she squanders them.

But what you are unwilling to admit is that Bernie would have nowhere near the support, funding or platform he has now running as a Democrat, if he ran as an Independent.

I'm not so sure if he were running as an independent spoiler. I think the media (like fox)that has not given Sanders coverage, would have loved to give a spoiler candidate coverage to hurt the Democratic nominee, which by this time would have been Hillary. An independent run by Sanders would have meant that the "false equivalency" media would have been grateful to run a parallel "Democratic Party Nominee in Crisis" story to run against the meltdown of the gop. He likely wouldn't have won as an independent, but he would have split the vote, and kept Clinton from pivoting right in the general election.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/25/1491296/-Hillary-privately-lobbied-Congress-for-trade-deals-she-publically-opposed

Hillary privately lobbied Congress for trade deals she publically opposed.



Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton pledged Tuesday to defeat a free-trade agreement with Colombia, even as her presidential campaign was kept on the defensive by disclosures related to the proposed pact.

Her camp acknowledged reports that Clinton's husband, former President Bill Clinton, supports the deal with Colombia. The New York senator's campaign also was hit by another call for the outright ouster of longtime aide Mark Penn.

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Speaking about the Colombia trade deal at a Washington meeting of the Communications Workers of America union, Clinton proclaimed: "As I have said for months, I oppose the deal. I have spoken out against the deal, I will vote against the deal, and I will do everything I can to urge the Congress to reject the Colombia Free Trade Agreement."

Today:

The emails show that Clinton personally contacted members of Congress, urging them to vote in favor of the Columbia Trade Promotion Agreement (CTPA), which was bitterly opposed by organized labor, in both the United States and Colombia, as well as human rights organizations around the world. At the same time, Clinton also lobbied Congress in support of free trade agreements with Korea and Panama.

[redstateblues]

76. That old smear again. You must be a psychologist

Hillary's run is to build on the progress that Obama has made. I know that here on DU Obama is a dirty word even though his approval numbers are up over 50%- I'm sure here on DU in the Purity Party they are down in the 30s

[GoneFishin]

29. He in running as a Democratic for the Party's convenience to attempt not to split the GE votes.

Considering that the party is hostile and contemptuous toward him and his supporters, I think he made a big mistake.

[JaneyVee]

14. Because there will be no "political revolution" otherwise

Unless your idea of revolution is only about electing one person.

[Beacool]

49. Because he's running as a Democrat.

He can at least act like one and help raise some money for the down ticket candidates. He is doing very well in the fundraising area, why not help raise some money for other Democrats?

[surrealAmerican]

12. ... "down-ballot Dems" ...

... or maybe "super delegates"?

They're the same people for the most part.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

13. The best election money can buy.

Remind me again which is the party of big business.

[riversedge]

17. Sanders signed an agreement to help fund down ticket Dems--but he has yet to raise any

funds for them. He raises money for his campaign only. Shameful.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

43. That does not justify selling out the party to the corporatists.

[fredamae]

15. What source is HRC drawing this money from?

Why can't candidates enthuse their own constituents to donate directly - like Sanders has Proved can be done when lawmakers are willing to and have a History of service To their people?
Bernie didn't create any sort of Brilliant fund raising scheme-he asked us to Join him. We did. Not Rocket-Science.

Maybe they (DNC/DSCC) need this outside money because lawmakers constituents are not pleased by their job performance? Is That what this critique of Sanders is all about? That these lawmakers CANNOT win Without Corporate Dollars? Who needs Them then-should be the question...not Where is Bernies Money?



If their people want to Keep their lawmaker-they can - and IF they're GOOD at their jobs...they will be re-elected.
Isn't that more reflective of democracy than corporate dollar influence?
This may Explain a lot of endorsements, however.

[bigtree]

19. other than his promise to the DNC, I'm not aware of any effort from Bernie

...to help elect Democrats to the national legislature

[fredamae]

24. My questions were: What source is HRC drawing this money from?

"Why can't candidates enthuse their own constituents to donate directly - like Sanders has Proved can be done when lawmakers are willing to and have a History of service To their people?
Bernie didn't create any sort of Brilliant fund raising scheme-he asked us to Join him. We did. Not Rocket-Science.

Maybe they (DNC/DSCC) need this outside money because lawmakers constituents are not pleased by their job performance? Is That what this critique of Sanders is all about? That these lawmakers CANNOT win Without Corporate Dollars? Who needs Them then-should be the question...not Where is Bernies Money?



If their people want to Keep their lawmaker-they can - and IF they're GOOD at their jobs...they will be re-elected.
Isn't that more reflective of democracy than corporate dollar influence?
This may Explain a lot of endorsements, however."

And where do You believe Sanders money will go-All Money from "us" btw-Not Corp-$ourced ....IF he does not prevail? This is The Peoples Campaign...One of the MAJOR problems is Fundraising Demands placed upon Our lawmakers-8 Plus hours a Day? No wonder "the peoples" work is Never done.
Currently...and Honestly-I Do Not Want My donations to Bernie funding Any Corporate Lawmaker! As I stated above-IF these Dems are So good and offer Good service To their constituents-they too can raise Big money from Grassroots donations.
How will "we" ever get CorpoMoney out of politics if "we" don't change the sources it comes From?

[riversedge]

16. A big Thank you for Hillary and her Team.

[FarPoint]

18. Hillary is a true Democratic Party member.

This is why she will easily win the Democratic Nomination. Teamwork.... With a proven track record.

[Vinca]

20. Are you doing the books for the Sanders' campaign?

How do you know they're not cutting or planning to cut checks to down-ballot candidates? Bernie doesn't have to schmooze for money, his supporters gleefully give it to him no strings attached.

[bigtree]

21. I'd think those efforts would need to be visible and accountable

...by law.

[Vinca]

22. Well, you seem to have the inside scoop on things, so I assume you've viewed them and/or asked

their intentions with what they plan to do with last month's $40 million.

[bigtree]

35. that would appear to be the FEC's job

[Vinca]

47. So you're just posting BS to rile people up.

You might consider what will happen if Bernie is not the nominee and still has tens of millions of dollars left. It's highly unlikely he'd opt to buy an island somewhere to start a socialist paradise rather than give the loot to liberal candidates for office.

[bigtree]

48. you with your personal attacks

...and accusing me of 'BS to rile people up.'

The FEC is still fricking waiting for answers on how Sanders is spending his money.

Blocked. I'm not here as a punching bag for Sanders supporters with a sad.

[Vinca]

50. I don't believe I made a personal attack.

I only pointed out the continued use of ridiculous issues to try to disparage the other side. Heaven forbid we should talk about real issues here when we can make stuff up about Bernie not supporting other candidates.

[Gwhittey]

67. personal attack

personal attack I don't think you or I know what that statement means. I mean if you ask Clinton about her issues you are attacking her. So call me stumped.

[Doctor_J]

23. Bernie raised 10 million new voters for the party. Still waiting for Hillary

[Doctor_J]

39. Heaven forbid

[riversedge]

44. Try to stay focused on the OP topic. Sanders has not kept his word to raise funds for down

ticket Dems.

[giftedgirl77]

51. Registering for an online poll I'd not registering to vote.

Even if his campaign did register that many people apparently they forgot to explain the purpose behind registering.

[hobbit709]

26. A lot of us no longer give ANY money at the Party level.

My donations go to the candidates I support at every level. The national party rakes in the cash but gives very little back unless you fit their corporate minion mold.

[peace13]

27. The DNC calls...

...and we have a discussion here! Direct dollars if we want to share. The Dem's have shot themselves in the foot. In fact it's a regular sniper fire festival!

I respect you Bigtree but there is no need for a reach here. Bernie is floating his own boat. The Dem's will get their country back if he is elected. That will be the gift. Until then I'm pretty sure that he is dancing as fast as he can. Debbie and the gang made a mistake letting Bernie play. They should have remembered how ugly it gets when Hill is pushed. None of this is a mystery.

Keep on keeping on! : )

[misterhighwasted]

30. This is why bernie's promise of free stuff is worth scrutiny

He gives zero to advance a power change in the senate & congress that breaks the GOP gridlock for a Dem President.
He gives zero.
His message doesn't reflect his actions.
Buyer beware

[Armstead]

33. I thought the meme was that Bernie was "caught" appearing at Democrat Congressional fundraisers

The high dudgeon when it was revealed that Sanders has appeared at party fundraisers in the past to support Democratic campaigns.

Kind of a Catch 22, eh?

[Armstead]

37. Catch 22

[DrDan]

38. certainly explains the superdelegate situation

[NCTraveler]

40. As someone who has seen what this money can do in local elections.

That is huge.

[Armstead]

41. Perhaps becauise those Democrats are spending their time pumping up his opponent and dissing him

[randome]

45. So...a loyalty oath to Sanders, then?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[Armstead]

46. Sure why not?....Better than the Blood Oath that Clinton requires

[Donald Ian Rankin]

57. If Sanders views the Democrats as his enemies, he should leave their party.

FWIW, I don't think he does, but that's certainly what you're implying.

[Depaysement]

42. Blood money

We do our own work. It has already begun.

[BlueMTexpat]

52. Good for her!

She fully understands the importance of teamwork.

[nichomachus]

53. Mrs. Clinton could find $4.4 million between her sofa cushions.

Bernie isn't so flush with Wall Street Money as the Clinton machine.

[Doctor_J]

54. How much of that came from the NRA lobbyist?

Many of Mrs Clinton's supporters don't care about the course of the money, but some others do.

[Todays_Illusion]

56. She only helps the ones who are conservative and endorse her.

[loyalsister]

59. A lot of good that will do

When people refuse to vote altogether because they see nothing that will change with Clinton on the ballot. Unfortunately, I am hearing this a lot as I am registering people. She will depress turnout.

[noamnety]

63. Since the DNC is campaigning against him

I don't fault him for not donating.

[bigtree]

64. kick

[Gwhittey]

65. OMG am I having a bad acid trip

is a Clinton supporter trying to ask why Sanders is not taking donations from NRA lobbyist to give to other Dems to run for office? Man this thread right here shows OP has no clue what Sanders is about because he never bothered looking into it because they wanted Hillary from the start. If he had of looked you would see that a one of the major issue for him is Money in politics. So how in hell should one few politicians that refuses to take money from lobbyist suppose to have fund raisers that are co-hosted by a NRA lobbyist?

[bigtree]

66. no

...the question is where is Bernie helping to elect Democrats?

The NRA stuff is a pathetic dodge. No one is buying it.

[Gwhittey]

68. Are you saying

that Hillary is not having a NRA lobbyist co-host a fundraiser? If not please just search on google Clinton NRA it is even on CNN.

[azurnoir]

70. So all of the stuff about Hillary's campaign being broke was a ploy? err inaccurate

because according to your OP she gave away about what Bernie brought in

[jfern]

71. Yawn, he doesn't have that many maxed out donors

[Persondem]

77. So how does Sanders figure he's going to get any of his ideas passed without a friendlier congress?

[MaggieD]

78. The revolution has apparently been canceled

[asuhornets]

81. Still-A-Awaiting....

GOHillary!!!!

[stonecutter357]

82. K&R!