A reminder of why minimizing Clinton's Southern victories is so hurtful.

[Adrahil]

For those of you, in your enthusiasm for your own candidate, who are attempting to downplay the significance Clinton' Southern victories by implying that strength in those states is unimportant because we cannot win them in November, or because they are the old Confederacy, I ask that you consider the following:

Hundreds of black people (and not a few white people) have died fighting for the right of black Americans to vote, the right to have their voice heard, and to have it count.

Don't disenfranchise them now.

Let me say that for the most part, I don't think the posters are engaging is deliberate racism. I think they are, however, perpetuating systemic racism that tells black people over and over again that their voices do not count. Especially in light of continuing efforts, in places like North Carolina, to gerrymander black voters to even further blunt their electoral power. Please be aware that there is a history involved here.

And do not forget that blue states are ALREADY granted a greater number of delegates.

Thanks for your time.

[Tom Rinaldo]

1. I don't. But Clinton needs to show strength in more than one region n/t

[yardwork]

7. She won Massachusetts and Texas.

[magical thyme]

47. IMO Mass is not an example you want to cite. The Clintons have very close ties to Massachusetts...

She beat Obama there by 15 points back in '08, and that was *after* the very national news that Ted Kennedy endorsed Obama.

Her win this time around was very close to a tie, with a mere 1.4 margin after the final tally.

And, offensively, her husband blatantly and deliberately broke Mass voting law, to the extent that he blocked people at one large, poor, working class precinct (the group that Bernie won by large margins in Mass) from even being able to vote for 2 hours. These were people who likely used their lunch breaks on a frigid day to vote. Who very likely were forced to make a choice between waiting in the cold and lose wages to vote or give up their chance to vote due to Clinton's felonious interference.

Given the very close numbers in that race *and* the fact that at least 2 of those precincts were poor, working class areas (Roxbury and New Bedford), there is a very good chance that had Clinton not deliberately interfered with the people's right and duty to vote, she would have tied or even lost Massachusetts.

[BlueMTexpat]

59. Bill Clinton did not break Massachusetts

voting law. But, just like Faux Noise, you've gotta keep repeating that.

[magical thyme]

63. Yes he did. 950 CMR 53 (18) (d)

(d)
Activities at Polling Place
. Within 150 feet of a polling place as defined in 950 CMR
53.03(18)(c), no person shall solicit votes for or against, or otherwise promote or oppose, any
person or political party or position on a ballot question, to be voted on at the current election.

http://www.mass.gov/courts/docs/lawlib/900-999cmr/950cmr53.pdf

[BlueMTexpat]

66. Bill was simply not doing any of those activities.

As has already been debunked.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/03/01/did-bill-clinton-violate-election-rules-mass/5octlX1d28GwmN3kitiECK/story.html

[magical thyme]

70. I'm out of free article reading. You'll have to cut and paste the specific debunking

if it actually exists.

In the meantime, there's this, right in front of the entrance to the New Bedford polling place:

[BlueMTexpat]

71. You can lead a horse to water

but cannot drink for that horse.

And if Bill is violating campaign laws, so is the holder of the sign who is behind him, who is most certainly NOY a HIllary supporter.

[magical thyme]

72. since you are unable to post the debunking, it presumably doesn't exist. I won't subscribe

for the sole purpose of searching for evidence of your claim.

P.S. this thread is about Bill Clinton's violation; not the anonymous poster-holder in the distance who is also breaking the law and should have been stopped (and probably would have been had there not been such a mess caused by Bill Clinton).

[BlueMTexpat]

76. I posted the debunking.

You couldn't be bothered to read it.

[magical thyme]

78. um, where? I see a link to a Boston Globe article. I am out of free reading at the BG & won't subscr

for the sole purpose of searching for the supposed debunking.

You claim they debunk it. It's incumbent upon you to provide proof of the claim, not me to search through a newspaper that I don't subscribe to so can't read to prove it for you.

If they debunk it, there must be a paragraph or two stating it. Since you have access to the article that I do not have, surely you could back up your claim by cutting and pasting the appropriate paragraphs.

Surely it would be less trouble for you to do that than keep repeating that you've provided proof and alternating with attempts to deflect by pointing at an anonymous person behind Clinton.

back at ya.

[Blue State Bandit]

90. He also broke 950 C.M.R. § 54.04(22)(a) of Mass Election Law obstructing the access of voters.

950 C.M.R. § 54.04(22)(a). "Observers are allowed inside the polling place, outside the guardrail, unless they are disorderly or obstruct the access of voters."

Your cognitive dissidence is showing, you might want to tuck that in before moving forward.

[artislife]

93. This ends it for me.

The fact that I cannot find one condemnation from a h supporter on this "pressing the flesh", "electioneering" moment is telling.

So, you don't want us to diminish her wins. How about not diminishing his wins.

As a Latina, I find it kind of appalling that the campaing and her supporters only protect and edify PoC who support a certain way.

And then they use it like a brick to smash the other candidate's campaign.

[artislife]

92. Don't forget a photo op and bullhorn, either. nt

[Starry Messenger]

8. And Nevada and Iowa.

[Tom Rinaldo]

25. I repeat. She has to show strength in more than one region...

She clearly won Nevada, but it was not an especially strong victory, and that was her best showing outside the South, a 5 or 6 point spread. Hillary barely won Iowa, by about a quarter of a percent. In a normal election that would have triggered an automatic recount - we're talking 2000 Florida Gore vs Bush level tightness in Iowa. She won Massachusetts by less than 15,000 votes (which happens to be a neighboring state to Clinton also, which pundits fail to mention.) Texas, mentioned by a different poster, is considered a Southern state by most.

Whereas Bernie won NH by 22%, VT by 72%, Oklahoma by over 10%, Minnesota by 23%, and Colorado by over 18%. And he got decimated in the South

[bravenak]

103. Bernie needs to show strength in more than caucasian heavy regions

Because they are basically splitting the white vote in most places, so he needs to win BIG in other more diverse states to make up for all those loses and the 200 delegate deficit. Not to mention his weakness with superdelegates and loss of momentum. I see no chance for victory. He is down in most states. She has set the narrative.

[Adrahil]

15. And she will win Michigan, Illinois, New Jersey, New York, Ohio..... NT

[RoccoR5955]

18. I live in NY

Look out if you think that Clinton will carry NY.

[DrDan]

30. oops - never mind -

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Res ipsa loquitur

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_democratic_presidential_primary-4221.html


I forgot, some folks only believe opt in internet and facebook polls, my bad.

[Adrahil]

39. We shall see. I think she carries NY by 10+ points. NT

[redstateblues]

77. It's not winner take all

[RoccoR5955]

98. who said that?

[BlueMTexpat]

62. And Maryland, Pennsylvania and California as well

Maryland - April 26 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/md/maryland_democratic_presidential_primary-4312.html

Pennsylvania - April 26 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_presidential_primary-4249.html

California - June 6 - no poll more recent than 1/3/16
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ca/california_democratic_presidential_primary-5321.html

[Blue State Bandit]

43. ...and on her own merits... and without breaking election laws.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/48ipcy/bill_clinton_polling_location_megathread/

[BlueMTexpat]

64. Hmm - it seems from this picture that

whoever is holding the sign "Bankers for Hillary" is much closer to the polling site than Bill.

I strongly suspect that person was not a Hillary supporter.

[Svafa]

82. I also don't imagine that a random person holding a sign caused two-hour

delays like the presence of a former president and his secret service did. Nobody here is justifying the presence of the sign-holder. They should BOTH be held accountable, but to pretend that what Clinton did was ok because someone else was doing it is ridiculous.

[Blue State Bandit]

89. I strongly suspect that the sign holder does not work for, nor are they married to...

any candidate running for president.

I also strongly suspect that the sign holder did not come with US Treasury Agents or get a phone call for the Mass. AG to remind them of Mass Election law.

[Happenstance24]

80. This is a nice meme but it leaves out the fact that

there haven't been any northern "diverse" states that have got the opportunity to vote yet. She will win NY, NJ, MI, PA, CA.....

[Tom Rinaldo]

83. Colorado is diverse, but I agree that more returns are needed n/t

[Happenstance24]

85. Yeah, but

did Hillary even contest Colorado that hard? Did she or her surrogates visit there, buy ads, etc? It would be interesting to know how hard she played for the state. Even then she apparently got as many delegates out of it as Bernie did. Bernie can't win for losing. He truly is a worse off but better funded Hillary '08 in this situation.

[Tom Rinaldo]

99. That's like me saying Bernie could have done better in Georgia if he contested it more

Yeah, but he still would have lost. Candidates with money don't walk away from a state that they can win. If Hillary chose not to put resources into Colorado that says something. It's not a minor state, it has mixed demographics and a major U.S. city it. It is also an important swing state. All campaigns have to make strategic decisions. Even well funded ones don't have unlimited money to burn. Plus a big loss can look worse if it is obvious that you poured a lot of effort into it. I'm sure it didn't make the Sanders team happy to under contest Georgia etc. either.

As to the Super Delegate thing, yeah. His only chance with some of them is if the momentum of the race swings strongly enough toward Sanders before the convention that it would get real ugly for their votes to knock him out of it despite what real voters chose.

[noamnety]

2. K&r

Bernie supporter here - kicking this because it's important.

[Amimnoch]

42. you're wonderful.

[wryter2000]

54. Thank you

That's the true spirit of your candidate. He would NEVER say some of the things I've seen at DU. And I will be hugely proud to vote for him if he wins the nomination.

[Warren Stupidity]

3. disenfranchisement is built into the fucked up system.

Winner take all first past the poll is the reality of the system. If you live in a state that is a sure thing for the other party, your vote doesn't fucking count. Them's the facts.

[yardwork]

6. That's false. These wins count in the primary.

This is nothing but sour grapes. We hear nothing about Oklahoma being "useless" - because Bernie won there.

In the primary season, every state counts.

[BeyondGeography]

12. Should we only have presidential primaries in reliable blue states?

That would have given us Hillary in 2008 instead of Obama, btw. Also, you can lose a blue/swing state in the primary as Obama did in NY, PA, MA, CA and OH and win it in the general. What are we arguing about again?

[mountain grammy]

61. Not in state and local elections..

The electoral college stinks, but people have more power than they believe. It's ok to skip a candidate on the ballot, but there's almost always something/someone worth voting for or against.

[yardwork]

4. Some of them are engaging in deliberate racism.

I agree with the rest of your points.

[m-lekktor]

5. Don't tell the truth because it might hurt your feelings? ok.

[Adrahil]

16. I'm not black. It doesn't hurt my feelings.

It does make me mad to see supposedly progressive people tell Southern black that their votes don't count..... STILL.

[Agschmid]

9. Yup.

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. Two weeks ago it was "Clinton firewall collapsing!"

Now it's "Those states don't matter anyway!!!"

Losing is hard. People cope in different ways.

Still, I agree that the manner of the dismissal is disturbing.

[SidDithers]

60. Right!...

I remember that thread.

Edit: those threads.



Sid

[Bad Thoughts]

11. Technically, they are already minimized

According to convention rules, states that don't show for the Democrats don't get as much representation. Moreover, many of the superdelegates are themselves elected officials, fewer of whom will come from Southern states.

That said, don't get too high and mighty with Sanders' supporters. It was Mark Penn, who ran Clinton's campaign, who suggested that Southern states really don't count.

[Thinkingabout]

13. We get the message, elections for president is nationwide

Hillary has pushed in every state, she will be president to every state.

[greymouse]

14. I live in Rhode Island

my vote doesn't count. The sun would go nova before RI voted Republican (once since 1976). So saying that is, what, discrimination against people with funny accents?

[Adrahil]

17. White people in Rhode Island have not been the victims....

of systemic electoral disenfranchisement.

And you vote DOES count. If you, and the rest of the D voters in RI did not vote, the R's would win. But they don;t. Beucase enough of you DO vote.

[AgingAmerican]

65. Systemic electoral disenfranchisement comes from the Oligarchy controlling our politicians

By controlling the economy. He who controls the money controls the politicians. He who controls the politicians controls the system. He who controls the system controls access to rights. That's how it works in every country on earth, the USA included.

[SheenaR]

81. You are telling me that

the people you run into here in RI will vote for Hillary over Trump? Because I can't find them

[Vattel]

19. A lot of those states will inevitably go Republican in November. That is just a fact.

It is insulting to African Americans to suggest that they are so emotionally fragile that they can't handle that fact.

[NCTraveler]

21. You think they don't know that? Seriously?

That is your takeaway? You seem to be the only one making this "fragile" connection.

[Vattel]

23. Duh! Of course they know that, and there is nothing wrong saying it.

The OP claims that it is hurtful to mention it.

[NCTraveler]

24. That is not what the op is saying.

That is what you want the op to be saying.

Two completely different things.

[Vattel]

26. Part of what the OP is saying is that it is hurtful to "downplay the significance

of Clinton's Southern victories by implying that strength in those states is unimportant" to the Presidential election in November "because we cannot win them in November."

That strikes me as a ridiculous thing to say because everyone knows that those states will go red in November.

And please don't make the lame reply that what the OP is suggesting is that it is hurtful to say that strength in those states is unimportant in any and all elections, because no one is saying that.

[NCTraveler]

28. Great way to start the day.

Not there yet but much better than your original takeaway of fragility.

[Vattel]

35. Well, as you drink more coffee, I am sure you will appreciate

my insights more and more. (Just kidding) In the meantime, I have to go to work. Peace out.

[sufrommich]

33. That has absolutely nothing to do with primary voters.

I have a hard time believing that people who make this statement don't understand that fact. This is a campaign by Sanders supporters to negate those voters and it's obvious.

[Adrahil]

40. So they shouldn't have a voice in selecting the nominee?

And NO, a people who have been oppressed for centuries and are STILL victims of systemic racism, and attempts at voter suppression are NOT being "emotionally fragile" when they object to continued efforts to discount them.

This kind of post is part of the problem.

[Vattel]

88. no, your post is part of the problem.

of course they should and do have a part in the primary. No one is denying that.

[Number23]

105. Having a rational conversation with some people is impossible

But your points and your OP are spot on.

[NCTraveler]

20. Many of the people who need to read this most...

Are the same ones who felt they were the most significant votes out there as they went on for weeks about Clintons southern firewall cracking. That is what is really so nefarious about a lot of the recent language. It is completely based in dismissal of logic, hypocrisy, and comes from a place of anger.

Don't get me wrong, I feel it was beneficial for me to read this as well.

[RoccoR5955]

22. This is not about voters of color

It is about relevancy in the general election.
I reject your assertion, as it is patently false.
Voters of color fought and died for their right to vote in EVERY STATE.

[Frances]

31. How old are you?

I lived in MA and in AL in the sixties
There was racism in MA but I never heard of one person dying in order to get the right to vote. In fact Ed Brooke was black and he was elected senator
Surely you know people died in AL to get the right to vote
I am white and was told by the person who graded the literacy test every person in AL had to take at that time that he passed me because I was white
My friend said her mother in TN was told to put a w on literacy tests papers if the person taking the test was white
How quickly some people forget
I forgot myself that when my husband took some black people to register that the sheriff followed him all the way back to our house

[RoccoR5955]

75. I am older than you, for sure

I remember when people in various cities in the country got beaten, even shot by police, as they were fighting for equal rights. I remember some of these incidents in Brooklyn, NY in the early 60s. I remember reading about them in the papers in the mid and late 60s in various regions of the country, but all over the country.

[Frances]

91. I remember the police fighting against gays in New York

but I don't remember any gays being killed for trying to register to vote anywhere in the country

I don't remember anyone being killed for trying to help people register to vote anywhere other than the South

Do you have any examples of people being killed for trying to help people register to vote outside the south?

[RoccoR5955]

97. Yes, I don't have a link

but I saw someone get beaten to death while marching for equal rights in Brooklyn, NY when I was a kid. I will never forget it!

[demmiblue]

27. Food for thought... K&R. n/t

[DCBob]

29. Well said.

[Tanuki]

32. Sending the message that the southern vote in the general election is irrelevant and worthless

would suppress turnout and hurt down-ticket voting for local candidates, if we had any faith in the messengers, which we fortunately do not.

[leveymg]

34. It's the winner take all system that disenfranchizes Dem voters in the south. Go guilt trip the

Electoral College.

[Lizzie Poppet]

38. That's an important point: the Electoral College is an anti-democratic anachronism.

It's the priority for any proposed constitutional amendment, IMO...

[Adrahil]

41. I'm not trying to "guilt trip" anyone.

I'm trying to make folks aware that words may be having the unintended effect of reinforcing systemic racism and its traditional disenfranchisement of black voters.

If you or anyone else feel guilty, examine your own feelings about that.

[Lizzie Poppet]

37. I respect and admire any liberal, regardless of race,who fights the good fight in hostile territory.

Yes, I'm annoyed with them that they seem to be making the less-progressive choice this time. Of course I'd be annoyed about that...I'm a progressive. But that annoyance is trivial compared to my wholehearted approval of their refusal to abandon their political principles when the majority around them are opposed. It's a lot easier to be a progressive where I live (Oregon).

I also completely understand the position of the not-particularly-liberal contingent of Hillary voters in those states, the majority of which I suspect are black. Blacks who are conservatively-minded are in the difficult situation of feeling that the more conservative of the major parties doesn't support their issues, and contains an embarrassing contingent of outright racists. They believe, with considerable justification, that the GOP doesn't want them (or at least that a bunch of its members don't). A candidate like Bernie is not going to appeal to these black voters, based on his very liberal positions.

Hillary won't be all that attractive to these more conservative blacks on issues, either, but the Clinton name carries so much weight with this community, and despite some recent glitches with BLM, her record of support is exemplary (yes, a Bernie supporter said that...but it's a matter of record). I actually "get" these black votes for Hillary better than I do those of more-progressive black voters.

I'll conclude this long-winded post by saying I also disapprove of the blanket condemnations of the South as backwards, redneck, etc. Simply being annoyed (and sometimes nonplussed) by the region's voters' political choices shouldn't result in over-the-top, unfair vilification. That's bigotry, plain and simple.

[erlewyne]

44. I'm voting for Bernie Sanders.

It is my decision. That's what democracy is all
about!

[Trust Buster]

45. All votes from Democrats matter.

Republican racism can disenfranchise minority votes in November but it would be sinful for Democrats to disenfranchise minority votes in Febraury and March. For that would be ALL ON US.

[jalan48]

46. I think the primary should be held on one day for all the states.

No, caucuses no super delegates, one person, one vote. In fact, let's make that day a national holiday so it's easier for everyone to get to the polls.

[Lizzie Poppet]

52. Abso-freakin'-lutely!

Our entire primary election system is a wasteful, utterly corrupt mess.

[angrychair]

48. I have spoken out on this topic

So I feel compelled to speak here.
Let me be unequivocally clear from the beginning, as a person raised in several southern states this issues is important to me, the right and ease of access for people of color to vote is critical to the success of our democracy. I am inspired by the turn out in the South and other states by people of color in these primaries and caucuses and that they are voting as Democrats. I hope it is a trend that continues to increase as it is critical if we are to take control oh the House at some point.

That all being said, I wrote an OP on Super Tuesday making a clear point that the majority of states still had not voted, including the west coast where I live now, as well as NY, IL and OH just to name a few.
In as much it is great the southern states had such great success and their vote is important to the nomination process, it does not and should not be the deciding factor in who our presidential candidate is going to be. There are 35 more states to vote. Far to many, as recently as last night, have called it over and as someone that has not voted yet, that is offensive and yes is an attempt to disenfranchise those that have not voted yet.

[lunatica]

49. Agreed

I see no reason to trash any part of this country. But because I'm a Progressive I truly want to see this country (all of it) fulfill it's great potential. We have a planet to save and this country can do it by leading, not by pretending Climate Change doesn't exist or is too minor an issue to bother with.

The status quo simply doesn't work anymore. We need another daring 'going to the Moon' long term project regarding Climate Change.

We also need our government to take care of all it's citizens, not just the 1% because we already know they aren't the job creators they keep bragging they are.

This country has more potential than it has actualized up to now. A lot more.

[magical thyme]

50. The southern states were deliberately set up as a "firewall" to support conservative,

establishment candidates. The fact is that the "southern strategy" has had an outsized influence on outcomes ever since those states agreed to align their primaries and caucuses into a block early on.

I don't think that people are trying to diminish the importance of the black vote. I think they are trying to stress that in spite of his losses there, Bernie is still viable.

We knew he didn't stand a chance to win in the south. We also knew, however, that in order to make it to the convention he had to make it through the firewall with enough delegates and money to continue to the more liberal states.

There was even a specific number of delegates cited in several articles -- he could be down by 150 delegates in the Super Tuesday states and still be a viable candidate.

In the end, he beat that target number, plus has garnered enough financial support to be viable. It's not that the black vote is not important. It's that the southern conservative vote has lost some of it's excess influence.

And the later states in the race have regained some of their lost importance.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

51. I think that some are just trying to minimize her ST victories

because they are Sanders supporters and realize that it is more likely than not that Sanders will, in fact, NOT wind up being the Democratic nominee for POTUS this year. Victories are victories IMHO. Also, to say that, without a doubt, that she can't win ANY southern states is premature at best IMHO. Hillary also could potentially put a southern state or two in play that were trending purple(-ish) when Obama ran in 2008 (i.e. Georgia). If Trump is the Republican nominee, all bets are pretty much off then too.

[wryter2000]

53. I wish I could give this a thousand recs

The amount of insensitivity shown here lately here is staggering.

[Nitram]

55. I do not understand why Bernie Supporters criticize African-Americans for supporting Clinton.

1. Clinton has a long and very positive relationship with the AA community and their leaders. Just ask them if you don't believe it. She has strongly supported policies that benefited the AA community for decades.

2. African-Americans know what they want and what they need. To suggest otherwise is patronizing and disrespectful.

3. Clearly Bernie supports the AA community. It is just that he has not spent decades working with that community and working to improve their standing in America since his early support for the Civil Rights Movement.

4. The "super-predator" meme was not invented by Clinton, it was a widely respected academic theory at the time, as was the movement towards tougher sentencing. Those who supported the tough on crime movement were well-meaning but mistaken, and Clinton has apologized for her part in that.

[Herman4747]

56. "Don't disenfranchise them now."

Please spare us the melodramatics.

[bvf]

67. Exactly right. n/t

[Adrahil]

73. LOL.... case in point. NT

[Herman4747]

57. All the more reason to get rid of the Electoral College.

Such elimination would make the whole notion of "red states," "blue states," "southern states," etc. irrelevant.
Each vote counts equally.

[liberalnarb]

58. I for one have never "disenfranchised" anyones vote.

Hillary won the south. Everyone expected her to. Its her stronghold.

[Adrahil]

74. Thanks... then this post was not directed at you.

It was directed at the folks saying we should ignore the results in SC or that the results in the "Confederacy" should somehow count less than they already do.

[liberalnarb]

102. Ok, fair enough.

But I think there may be a slight misinterpretation going on. I don't think they mean the votes in the south "count less". I think they mean they aren't surprised Hillary won a stronghold. Her and Bill are also from the south, which is partially why she did so well. Just as Bernie ran away with it in Vermont. No surprise there either. Candidates always win there homes. To her credit, she deeply surprised me by winning Mass. That, I congratulate her and her supporters on.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

68. How are they being disenfranchised? Were their votes not counted?

[Adrahil]

79. Well....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511355553

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1390486 The use of the term "Confederacy" is insulting here. It suggests, without doing it directly, that Clinton's supporters support the the idea of the Confederacy, which considering her support of black voters is at the least tone deaf. The suggestion is that her victories there aren't important since she won;t win most of those states in Nov. In others words: Hey black voters in the South Your votes don't really matter.

I'm just asking folks to consider how their words interact with this nations history of systemic racism and the disenfranchisement of black voters. I think we need to nip that kind of thing in the bud.

I would think regardless of what candidate we support, we'd all be on board with that.

[FreedomRain]

95. The confederacy line was embarrassing

"regardless of what candidate we support, we'd all be on board with that. "

I'm with you here and I think most of B's people too. The most vocal are not the most representative in any group

[bigbrother05]

69. The truth is that those voters came out to nominate a candidate

Any of us can argue about their reasons or their choices, but they are part of the process and deserve respect.

The same should be said for those that haven't yet had the opportunity to vote. Don't try to shortcut the process or claim that one candidate or the other should just call it a day. I view a lot of these discussions as open air strategy sessions that are speculative at best. At the end of the day, most voters in the primary are long time Democratic supporters and will come out for the chosen nominee.

There are a lot of states left and no matter what any number of superdelegates may say they intend to do, the real committed delegates are still close. This process should strengthen our party and clarify the issues that are important to run on in the GE. Am looking forward to the next few months.

[SheenaR]

84. Minimizing Bernie's NH victory

because of it's whiteness sure sounded like bringing down a group of people.

And perhaps NH wasn't a key to the victory in the Revolutionary War, where thousands died.

[Adrahil]

86. Yes.... White votes matter :rolleyes:

Our nation has such a long history of undervaluing the value of white voters.

And All Live Matter, amiright?

[SheenaR]

87. Responded to your OP

With an alternative look that is relevant since it is a state that voted and was analyzed.

[dsc]

106. yes woe is the life of white people

for their votes have never counted, except for the entire history of the country. They have never had a role in choosing our nominee, except every single time since our nominee has been determined by voters. They never have been the majority of the first or second or third contests except since the inception of Iowa being first and New Hampshire second and Nevada third. Oh, woe is the lot of the white voter.

[SheenaR]

107. Good try

was countering sarcastically with a common refrain about the whiteness of NH from your side and how unimportant the state was

[artislife]

94. Minnesota has a large Native population

Funny how Bernie's win there creates no joy for his reach to that specific group of PoCs.
I have one forth Ojibwa blood tha is mixed with one forth Mexican. Native North American.

[pdsimdars]

96. You mean the way the Clinton campaign minimized everything Bernie does?

Like that? And the way they keep saying it's over for him?
Please, cry me a river. Hillary is the queen of mean.

[JackInGreen]

101. Dear white people

"Speak to no one but white people and keep your mouth shut if you've got an opinion" yes'm, duly noted, "know my place" ok.

[bravenak]

104. +1

Without sarcasm